Heard this last year, and it turned out he couldn't beat out Clayton or Hilliard (I beleive it was Hilliard anyway..)Way under the radar guys for deep dynasty type leagues? I like to live in the land of the deep sleeper since I play mostly in 16 or 32 team leagues ...
Charles Sharon - running 1st team in camp and impressing.
Chris Hannon - impressing in camp, sure to make roster.
David Boston - supposedly back in form per reports.
Kevin Walter - There is no one else, not getting someone else means something, stated intent to get him ball more.
Todd Lowber - Physical freak, 3 year contract, supposedly doing ok in camp.
As to a WR/TE, I just still like what John Madsen did last year and cant help but think he gets more opportunities.
Mark Bradley - Bears WR
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Brandon Stokely if healthy (big if). Denver doesn't have a lot after Javon Walker.
Any reason why you don't think Jarrett will start in Keyshawn's spot and put up similar numbers (800 yds, 5 total TDs)? If that happens, I expect Carter to continue to underachieve. I signed him in our keeper league a few years back, when everyone was whispering about him as the fastest player on the Panthers, but I gave up on him based on the frailty and inconsistency he exhibited. Personally I'd rather have Jarrett. Does he qualify as a sleeper?Your Mom.I nominate Drew Carter. To my recollection, rookie WRs do not shine in Carolina so I'm not concerned about Jarrett this year. Carter has big play potential and more than ever, someone is going to need to step up to help take the heat off of Smith. I think Carter can put it together enough this year to post some pretty good numbers, although not on a consistent basis.
DJ Hackett. The OC loves him. Branch is a solid complementary WR. Hackett is a game breaker. I think he finishes the season as the the #1 WR. I think he can produce like DJ - Darrell Jackson that is - did in the past for the Hawks.
Why all the love for Mark Bradley? Not saying you guys are wrong by any means, he's just not a name that comes to mind. Is he going to start ahead of Muhs and/or Berrian?what is the prediction for Grossman, im a Rex owner on the fence.i second that motionMark Bradley - Bears WR![]()
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Little said, big meaning,I smell Chad Johnson on this kid. Problem is, I don't see him ever realizing his potential until Billick is given the boot. The fact that Billick is still labeled a offensive genius for what he did in Minn still gives me morning sickness. I don't think he is a bad coach, but I do believe he received too much credit for what happened there.Demetrious williams
I just find it hard to get too excited about an aging WR on a team coached by Herm Edwards and quarterbacked by Brodie Croyle. But you do have a good point about veterans serving as sleepers too.Why do people always assume a sleeper has to be young, unproven, up and comer...that has yet to reach untapped potential???To me a sleeper is a player people are sleeping on and failing to see the value he presents....Because of the many hype machines out there that pimp the next big young thing...everyone knows about your Hackett, V-Jaxs, Holmes etc..... everyone just regurgitates each others posts....and adds more fuel to the hype machine....which in my opinion make these people more likely to be a bust then a sleeper.In turn, the players people sleep on is the aging vet that just comes in and does the same boring job year in and year out....and people don't want to draft them cause it isn't a sexy pick...and there is no upside to their boring CONSISTENT numbers.So here is a REAL sleeper for you....he has been a sleeper for the past decade. He was sleeping before there wasn't even a term for a sleeper. But, yet every year he is tossed right back into the same gutter alley to rot........Eddie KennisonI see this guy regularly drafted after the 13th round. He is going to enter the season as the #1 WR AGAIN in KC. All this guy does is constantly put up 50-60 catches 800-1000 yards. Name me one other receiver in the 13th round (and MANY times later then this) that will enter the season as the #1 WR for his team, that has not finished under the WR 30 in the past 4 years, has finished in the top 20 twice in 4 years...top 25 3 of the last 4 years. That is also very durable despite his age only 2 missed games in the pass 5 years.Don't bother....cause you won't find another.As people on this board continue to throw out hype machine sleepers...I'll stick with take a REAL sleeper that has been in a cryogenic sleep for the last decade.STEDY EDDIE!!!
Berrian is pretty firmly entrenched as one starter, and I'm sure Moose will be early on too, but with him getting up there in age, I think Bradley has a very good opportunity to overtake Moose at some point. Although Devin Hester could now be taking some balls away and Rex isn't the most reliable guy, so who knows, but Bradley has shown some flashes.Why all the love for Mark Bradley? Not saying you guys are wrong by any means, he's just not a name that comes to mind. Is he going to start ahead of Muhs and/or Berrian?what is the prediction for Grossman, im a Rex owner on the fence.i second that motionMark Bradley - Bears WR![]()
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I read something on the blogger I believe about this as well. Saying him or Matt Jones might not make the team. What's up with that? Any Jax homers got some insight?mnesvig said:gheemony said:DJ Hackett. The OC loves him. Branch is a solid complementary WR. Hackett is a game breaker. I think he finishes the season as the the #1 WR. I think he can produce like DJ - Darrell Jackson that is - did in the past for the Hawks.As for the people nominating Reggie Williams, I think there's a pretty decent chance he won't even make the final roster.
Here's the reason:Why do people always assume a sleeper has to be young, unproven, up and comer...that has yet to reach untapped potential???To me a sleeper is a player people are sleeping on and failing to see the value he presents....Because of the many hype machines out there that pimp the next big young thing...everyone knows about your Hackett, V-Jaxs, Holmes etc..... everyone just regurgitates each others posts....and adds more fuel to the hype machine....which in my opinion make these people more likely to be a bust then a sleeper.In turn, the players people sleep on is the aging vet that just comes in and does the same boring job year in and year out....and people don't want to draft them cause it isn't a sexy pick...and there is no upside to their boring CONSISTENT numbers.So here is a REAL sleeper for you....he has been a sleeper for the past decade. He was sleeping before there wasn't even a term for a sleeper. But, yet every year he is tossed right back into the same gutter alley to rot........Eddie KennisonI see this guy regularly drafted after the 13th round. He is going to enter the season as the #1 WR AGAIN in KC. All this guy does is constantly put up 50-60 catches 800-1000 yards. Name me one other receiver in the 13th round (and MANY times later then this) that will enter the season as the #1 WR for his team, that has not finished under the WR 30 in the past 4 years, has finished in the top 20 twice in 4 years...top 25 3 of the last 4 years. That is also very durable despite his age only 2 missed games in the pass 5 years.Don't bother....cause you won't find another.As people on this board continue to throw out hype machine sleepers...I'll stick with take a REAL sleeper that has been in a cryogenic sleep for the last decade.STEDY EDDIE!!!
33 WR Berrian,Bernard CHI 15 2 5 0 51 775 6 1 114.0 7.60 34 WR Clayton,Mark BAL 16 7 -30 0 67 939 5 0 120.9 7.56 35 WR Kennison,Eddie KC 16 4 16 0 53 860 5 0 117.6 7.35 36 WR Muhammad,Muhsin CHI 16 0 0 0 60 863 5 1 116.3 7.27 37 WR Branch,Deion SEA 14 4 30 0 53 725 4 0 99.5 7.11
People were saying the same thing about Bradley last summer, that he would beat out Muhammad. He has no chance of taking over for Muhammad in 2007 unless he gets hurt. No chance at all. Of course this is just my opinion. Moose is still a viable WR. Disclaimer: I don't own Moose, Bradley, or Berrian in any league.Berrian is pretty firmly entrenched as one starter, and I'm sure Moose will be early on too, but with him getting up there in age, I think Bradley has a very good opportunity to overtake Moose at some point. Although Devin Hester could now be taking some balls away and Rex isn't the most reliable guy, so who knows, but Bradley has shown some flashes.
I don't own Moose, Bradley, or Berrian in any league either and I 100% agree with everything in your post above. Also, now that Keyshawn Johnson has retired, Moose and Hines Ward are now by themselves on top the mountain of run-blocking WRs. Moose mauls CBs in the running game. While this is not a stat or a attribute that will help his fantasy numbers at all, it is an intangible that definitely helps his team win football games and a reason why he will not be replaced in the lineup by a WR who isn't even definitively better then him. ESPECIALLY NOT in 1st and 2nd down, 2 WR, 2 RB formations.People were saying the same thing about Bradley last summer, that he would beat out Muhammad. He has no chance of taking over for Muhammad in 2007 unless he gets hurt. No chance at all. Of course this is just my opinion. Moose is still a viable WR. Disclaimer: I don't own Moose, Bradley, or Berrian in any league.Berrian is pretty firmly entrenched as one starter, and I'm sure Moose will be early on too, but with him getting up there in age, I think Bradley has a very good opportunity to overtake Moose at some point. Although Devin Hester could now be taking some balls away and Rex isn't the most reliable guy, so who knows, but Bradley has shown some flashes.
David Patten, Saints -- just have a feeling he's going to be on the field a lot for a team that throws the ball a lot.Who are the top sleeper/young receivers this year? Stovall, Hackett, B. Marshall, Demetrious Williams... Why do you think so??![]()
This is a young man's league, and guys get old fast. Moose is another year older, and that only helps Bradley's chances, in my opinion.People were saying the same thing about Bradley last summer, that he would beat out Muhammad. He has no chance of taking over for Muhammad in 2007 unless he gets hurt. No chance at all. Of course this is just my opinion. Moose is still a viable WR. Disclaimer: I don't own Moose, Bradley, or Berrian in any league.Berrian is pretty firmly entrenched as one starter, and I'm sure Moose will be early on too, but with him getting up there in age, I think Bradley has a very good opportunity to overtake Moose at some point. Although Devin Hester could now be taking some balls away and Rex isn't the most reliable guy, so who knows, but Bradley has shown some flashes.
not with Grossman at QBMark Bradley - Bears WR
I think Bennett will be a solid #2 and a great #3(for leagues that start 3 WRs) or great flex play. The Rams will be explosive this yearDrew BennettMay end up as the #2 WR in StL by midseason.
I could be wrong, but wasn't Bradley coming off ACL surgery last season and THAT was how Berrian ended up with the starting position (Bradley had a few decent games in 2005 season before the injury, and was in the midst of a 5rec-88yd day when he was injured)...I don't think he overtakes Moose, but he is a legit sleeper if you have room to stow him away on the bench in the hopes of injury leading to opportunity.People were saying the same thing about Bradley last summer, that he would beat out Muhammad. He has no chance of taking over for Muhammad in 2007 unless he gets hurt. No chance at all. Of course this is just my opinion. Moose is still a viable WR. Disclaimer: I don't own Moose, Bradley, or Berrian in any league.Berrian is pretty firmly entrenched as one starter, and I'm sure Moose will be early on too, but with him getting up there in age, I think Bradley has a very good opportunity to overtake Moose at some point. Although Devin Hester could now be taking some balls away and Rex isn't the most reliable guy, so who knows, but Bradley has shown some flashes.
Good points; however, as a homer, I just don't recall any rookie WRs in Carolina in the last few years putting up worthwhile numbers. It reminds me somewhat of how rookie WRs in Philly have performed in the past.Any reason why you don't think Jarrett will start in Keyshawn's spot and put up similar numbers (800 yds, 5 total TDs)? If that happens, I expect Carter to continue to underachieve. I signed him in our keeper league a few years back, when everyone was whispering about him as the fastest player on the Panthers, but I gave up on him based on the frailty and inconsistency he exhibited. Personally I'd rather have Jarrett. Does he qualify as a sleeper?Your Mom.I nominate Drew Carter. To my recollection, rookie WRs do not shine in Carolina so I'm not concerned about Jarrett this year. Carter has big play potential and more than ever, someone is going to need to step up to help take the heat off of Smith. I think Carter can put it together enough this year to post some pretty good numbers, although not on a consistent basis.
Kennison seems to be a sleeper every year; I seem to always end up with him. But this year, while I'll keep an open mind, I'm starting out on the same page as Perry. I do like the guy Green is throwing to NOW, Marty Booker.I just find it hard to get too excited about an aging WR on a team coached by Herm Edwards and quarterbacked by Brodie Croyle. But you do have a good point about veterans serving as sleepers too.Eddie KennisonI see this guy regularly drafted after the 13th round. He is going to enter the season as the #1 WR AGAIN in KC. All this guy does is constantly put up 50-60 catches 800-1000 yards. Name me one other receiver in the 13th round (and MANY times later then this) that will enter the season as the #1 WR for his team, that has not finished under the WR 30 in the past 4 years, has finished in the top 20 twice in 4 years...top 25 3 of the last 4 years. That is also very durable despite his age only 2 missed games in the pass 5 years.
Kennison seems to be a sleeper every year; I seem to always end up with him. But this year, while I'll keep an open mind, I'm starting out on the same page as Perry. I do like the guy Green is throwing to NOW, Marty Booker.I just find it hard to get too excited about an aging WR on a team coached by Herm Edwards and quarterbacked by Brodie Croyle. But you do have a good point about veterans serving as sleepers too.Why do people always assume a sleeper has to be young, unproven, up and comer...that has yet to reach untapped potential???To me a sleeper is a player people are sleeping on and failing to see the value he presents....Because of the many hype machines out there that pimp the next big young thing...everyone knows about your Hackett, V-Jaxs, Holmes etc..... everyone just regurgitates each others posts....and adds more fuel to the hype machine....which in my opinion make these people more likely to be a bust then a sleeper.In turn, the players people sleep on is the aging vet that just comes in and does the same boring job year in and year out....and people don't want to draft them cause it isn't a sexy pick...and there is no upside to their boring CONSISTENT numbers.So here is a REAL sleeper for you....he has been a sleeper for the past decade. He was sleeping before there wasn't even a term for a sleeper. But, yet every year he is tossed right back into the same gutter alley to rot........Eddie KennisonI see this guy regularly drafted after the 13th round. He is going to enter the season as the #1 WR AGAIN in KC. All this guy does is constantly put up 50-60 catches 800-1000 yards. Name me one other receiver in the 13th round (and MANY times later then this) that will enter the season as the #1 WR for his team, that has not finished under the WR 30 in the past 4 years, has finished in the top 20 twice in 4 years...top 25 3 of the last 4 years. That is also very durable despite his age only 2 missed games in the pass 5 years.Don't bother....cause you won't find another.As people on this board continue to throw out hype machine sleepers...I'll stick with take a REAL sleeper that has been in a cryogenic sleep for the last decade.STEDY EDDIE!!!
*scratches his head*???...If in the 13th round you are only taking your 3rd WR...who the hell else do you have roster 2 QBS 6RBS 2 TES and 2 WRS????. Ideally in the 13th round you will be taking him as a #5 WR who is a perfect play in a flex, and as the #4WR to slot in those crucial bye weeks. Having a player like Kennison that is consistent allows yo to have the luxury to roll the nice and gamble in other rounds.... you can grab a Calivn Johnson in round 5 or Hackett in round 8... knowing that in round 12/13 you can pick up a guy who is going to be reliable...and produce like someone you would have to pick 5 rounds earlier in the slots you took Johnson or Hackett. Take a look at the WR on that list, with the exception of Mush (who is getting the same old vetern love as Kennison, but still going in the 10-11 round) each one of those guys (Branch,Clayton, Berrian) will cost you between a 5th-8th round pick this year. I'll take a player all day as a WR55-60 knowing I am getting a player that at NO WORSE produces like a WR35....that is value no matter how you try to slice it or spin it. Value=sleepers....Its a move that appears safe on paper.... but you be surprise how often on you lean on a player like Kennison, and much you begin to appreciate the 7 points you now he will put up every game...and very pleased in the games you get 100 yard and a touchdown. Safe value picks do win you championships more then blind rolls of a dice on a player that is currently sitting as the 3rd WR on his team.Here's the reason:Why do people always assume a sleeper has to be young, unproven, up and comer...that has yet to reach untapped potential???To me a sleeper is a player people are sleeping on and failing to see the value he presents....Because of the many hype machines out there that pimp the next big young thing...everyone knows about your Hackett, V-Jaxs, Holmes etc..... everyone just regurgitates each others posts....and adds more fuel to the hype machine....which in my opinion make these people more likely to be a bust then a sleeper.In turn, the players people sleep on is the aging vet that just comes in and does the same boring job year in and year out....and people don't want to draft them cause it isn't a sexy pick...and there is no upside to their boring CONSISTENT numbers.So here is a REAL sleeper for you....he has been a sleeper for the past decade. He was sleeping before there wasn't even a term for a sleeper. But, yet every year he is tossed right back into the same gutter alley to rot........Eddie KennisonI see this guy regularly drafted after the 13th round. He is going to enter the season as the #1 WR AGAIN in KC. All this guy does is constantly put up 50-60 catches 800-1000 yards. Name me one other receiver in the 13th round (and MANY times later then this) that will enter the season as the #1 WR for his team, that has not finished under the WR 30 in the past 4 years, has finished in the top 20 twice in 4 years...top 25 3 of the last 4 years. That is also very durable despite his age only 2 missed games in the pass 5 years.Don't bother....cause you won't find another.As people on this board continue to throw out hype machine sleepers...I'll stick with take a REAL sleeper that has been in a cryogenic sleep for the last decade.STEDY EDDIE!!!That is where he finished last year on a PPG basis. He's a #3. While it seems like you are getting good value by getting a #3 in the 13th round, you won't win starting a #3 every week (especially if you only need to start 2 WR's). Your 3rd WR has to produce better than a 35th ranked WR if you want to win. Since Kennison likely won't improve much on that, it may be better to try to find the hidden gem rather than settle on finishing in the middle of the pack.Code:33 WR Berrian,Bernard CHI 15 2 5 0 51 775 6 1 114.0 7.60 34 WR Clayton,Mark BAL 16 7 -30 0 67 939 5 0 120.9 7.56 35 WR Kennison,Eddie KC 16 4 16 0 53 860 5 0 117.6 7.35 36 WR Muhammad,Muhsin CHI 16 0 0 0 60 863 5 1 116.3 7.27 37 WR Branch,Deion SEA 14 4 30 0 53 725 4 0 99.5 7.11
You two are making a common mistake in your arguments, not using the same lineup as your basis.Kennison is a good to great #4 WR and an ok #3. If you're only starting 2, he won't help you. If you're starting 4 or more, he will. Simple stuff.*scratches his head*???...If in the 13th round you are only taking your 3rd WR...who the hell else do you have roster 2 QBS 6RBS 2 TES and 2 WRS????. Ideally in the 13th round you will be taking him as a #5 WR who is a perfect play in a flex, and as the #4WR to slot in those crucial bye weeks. Having a player like Kennison that is consistent allows yo to have the luxury to roll the nice and gamble in other rounds.... you can grab a Calivn Johnson in round 5 or Hackett in round 8... knowing that in round 12/13 you can pick up a guy who is going to be reliable...and produce like someone you would have to pick 5 rounds earlier in the slots you took Johnson or Hackett.Here's the reason:Why do people always assume a sleeper has to be young, unproven, up and comer...that has yet to reach untapped potential???
To me a sleeper is a player people are sleeping on and failing to see the value he presents....
Because of the many hype machines out there that pimp the next big young thing...everyone knows about your Hackett, V-Jaxs, Holmes etc..... everyone just regurgitates each others posts....and adds more fuel to the hype machine....which in my opinion make these people more likely to be a bust then a sleeper.
In turn, the players people sleep on is the aging vet that just comes in and does the same boring job year in and year out....and people don't want to draft them cause it isn't a sexy pick...and there is no upside to their boring CONSISTENT numbers.
So here is a REAL sleeper for you....he has been a sleeper for the past decade. He was sleeping before there wasn't even a term for a sleeper. But, yet every year he is tossed right back into the same gutter alley to rot........
Eddie Kennison
I see this guy regularly drafted after the 13th round. He is going to enter the season as the #1 WR AGAIN in KC. All this guy does is constantly put up 50-60 catches 800-1000 yards. Name me one other receiver in the 13th round (and MANY times later then this) that will enter the season as the #1 WR for his team, that has not finished under the WR 30 in the past 4 years, has finished in the top 20 twice in 4 years...top 25 3 of the last 4 years. That is also very durable despite his age only 2 missed games in the pass 5 years.
Don't bother....cause you won't find another.
As people on this board continue to throw out hype machine sleepers...I'll stick with take a REAL sleeper that has been in a cryogenic sleep for the last decade.
STEDY EDDIE!!!
33 WR Berrian,Bernard CHI 15 2 5 0 51 775 6 1 114.0 7.60 34 WR Clayton,Mark BAL 16 7 -30 0 67 939 5 0 120.9 7.56 35 WR Kennison,Eddie KC 16 4 16 0 53 860 5 0 117.6 7.35 36 WR Muhammad,Muhsin CHI 16 0 0 0 60 863 5 1 116.3 7.27 37 WR Branch,Deion SEA 14 4 30 0 53 725 4 0 99.5 7.11That is where he finished last year on a PPG basis. He's a #3. While it seems like you are getting good value by getting a #3 in the 13th round, you won't win starting a #3 every week (especially if you only need to start 2 WR's). Your 3rd WR has to produce better than a 35th ranked WR if you want to win. Since Kennison likely won't improve much on that, it may be better to try to find the hidden gem rather than settle on finishing in the middle of the pack.
Take a look at the WR on that list, with the exception of Mush (who is getting the same old vetern love as Kennison, but still going in the 10-11 round) each one of those guys (Branch,Clayton, Berrian) will cost you between a 5th-8th round pick this year.
I'll take a player all day as a WR55-60 knowing I am getting a player that at NO WORSE produces like a WR35....that is value no matter how you try to slice it or spin it. Value=sleepers....
Its a move that appears safe on paper.... but you be surprise how often on you lean on a player like Kennison, and much you begin to appreciate the 7 points you now he will put up every game...and very pleased in the games you get 100 yard and a touchdown. Safe value picks do win you championships more then blind rolls of a dice on a player that is currently sitting as the 3rd WR on his team.