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MAC_32
Footballguy
I really don't like either J Roll at 38 or Davis at 26.
Han Ram and Reyes went slightly above what I'd be willing to pay for them (a little over 40), but the difference between J Roll and the top two is pretty big imo. I wouldn't pay more than 25 for J Roll.
I don't think 26 for Davis is as bad as 38 for J Roll, but that's an awful lot for a risky player, his ceiling probably isn't much more than 30 and his floor is a lot lower than 26. I think Davis and Votto are very similar in value, if Davis went for 26 I'd expect Votto to go for about the same.
Hardy for 21 is just horrible.
Given how much many are going for now there are going to be a ton of bargains at the end of this auction.
Han Ram and Reyes went slightly above what I'd be willing to pay for them (a little over 40), but the difference between J Roll and the top two is pretty big imo. I wouldn't pay more than 25 for J Roll.
I don't think 26 for Davis is as bad as 38 for J Roll, but that's an awful lot for a risky player, his ceiling probably isn't much more than 30 and his floor is a lot lower than 26. I think Davis and Votto are very similar in value, if Davis went for 26 I'd expect Votto to go for about the same.
Hardy for 21 is just horrible.
Given how much many are going for now there are going to be a ton of bargains at the end of this auction.
Eephus
Footballguy
I've only done one slow auction myself (for football dynasty no less) but the format seemed even more prone to early overbidding than a typical live auction. A live auction moves pretty quickly, so even people determined to sit on the sidelines early on will have a couple of slots filled during the first hour or two.A slow auction drags that into days and weeks, especially if people wait until the very end of the clock to bump a bid. There's psychological pressure to do something, even if you know better. A disciplined approach is the shark move but it's not as much fun as taking part in the frenzy.
D_Rock
Footballguy
Hmmm..well thanks to you guys bursting my bubble...I no longer like Rollins, but I dont really understand it.
He went for 10 bucks cheaper than Hanley. Roughly 20% cheaper...is he really going to outperform Rollins by THAT much?
He will hit for more power, probably steal a few more bases, and hit for a little higher average along with a higher OBP. Only category he hammers Rollins in is HR's. They will score identical runs, drive in the same amoutn of runs, and probably striekout less than Hanley.
Obviously, I am in the minority here, but I dont see how it is THAT terrible.
I trust you guys a lot more than I trust myself and brother to make these decisions.
I bought into the Chris Davis hype I guess.
Should I just sit on my hands for a long while? I am about to get Brian McCann, as I wanted a good catcher....do I just sit by the wayside? I was really thinking about going after Youkilis and Brian Roberts to fill out my IF and then scrounge for <5 dollar OF's.
He went for 10 bucks cheaper than Hanley. Roughly 20% cheaper...is he really going to outperform Rollins by THAT much?
He will hit for more power, probably steal a few more bases, and hit for a little higher average along with a higher OBP. Only category he hammers Rollins in is HR's. They will score identical runs, drive in the same amoutn of runs, and probably striekout less than Hanley.
Obviously, I am in the minority here, but I dont see how it is THAT terrible.
I trust you guys a lot more than I trust myself and brother to make these decisions.I bought into the Chris Davis hype I guess.
Should I just sit on my hands for a long while? I am about to get Brian McCann, as I wanted a good catcher....do I just sit by the wayside? I was really thinking about going after Youkilis and Brian Roberts to fill out my IF and then scrounge for <5 dollar OF's.
It's like my father used to always tell me, "guru_007, if all your friends jumped off a building, are you going to jump off too?" Ramirez went for too much too, but you're building a team here, not just comparing player to player to see who got the best bargain. Ramirez probably should have went for 38, Rollins for mid-high 20's.In this format, unless a bargain was screaming out, I would probably pass for the first few days at least. Everyone is going to overspend on players. Not just because it's a slow auction, but it's also February, no one has anything better to do than think about a bid and have high expectations. And like I said earlier, starting pitching is only worth roughly 35% of your scoring. I'd wait, wait, wait for pitching.
MAC_32
Footballguy
J Roll won't be terrible, I just don't think he'll produce $38 value, what I want out of my auctions are the most value - the greatest return for the $ spent. I'd prefer a $13 player that costs $6 than a $25 player that costs $38.
If this is a 2 catcher league I would spend up to $20 on McCann, but not any more than that. If I were you I'd hope to get out bid and then bow out.
I have not valued my pitchers yet, still hammering out those rankings (takes by far the most time) and I don't calculate $ amounts until my rankings are done, but 16 for Cliff Lee sounds like a good deal to me.
At the prices on the first post I think McLouth and Dye are both solid buy's at their current rates.
Looking at Youk and Roberts' ADP's I doubt I'll be considering Youk in any league this year (love his game, think 08 was his career year though and he's being over valued this year), Roberts might be someone to monitor but I wouldn't place him up for bidding now because if you did he'd probably be over bid on, like most of the guys being put up so far.
If this is a 2 catcher league I would spend up to $20 on McCann, but not any more than that. If I were you I'd hope to get out bid and then bow out.
I have not valued my pitchers yet, still hammering out those rankings (takes by far the most time) and I don't calculate $ amounts until my rankings are done, but 16 for Cliff Lee sounds like a good deal to me.
At the prices on the first post I think McLouth and Dye are both solid buy's at their current rates.
Looking at Youk and Roberts' ADP's I doubt I'll be considering Youk in any league this year (love his game, think 08 was his career year though and he's being over valued this year), Roberts might be someone to monitor but I wouldn't place him up for bidding now because if you did he'd probably be over bid on, like most of the guys being put up so far.
Giant Wooden Badger
the Beav
I haven't been following along so I don't know if you already have a couple of stud OFers or not but if you try to fill out your entire OF with $5 (or less) players you will lose.
D_Rock
Footballguy
Well I will say a prayer, but it looks like I have already overbid for his services.
Eephus
Footballguy
That's true if you're talking average value. But the only price that really matters to D. Rock is the price in this auction, not average prices. If everybody overspends early and you can pick up $15 OFs for $5, that can be a winning strategy (if you spend wisely elsewhere and get lucky)
D_Rock
Footballguy
Well, I am open to siggestions....but I am gonna have to be a cheapskate somewhere and I don't know where else to save money.OF seems like it has plenty of guys at the bottom of the heap that are ok....second base and stuff....not so much.
Eephus
Footballguy
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
D_Rock
Footballguy
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
I just have no direction right now.My partner wants to splurge on and finish out our IF...I wanna not buy anyone else over 20 bucks...Unless BJ Upton costs 24 bucks. But he seems to think we HAVE to have these stud IF's....
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
You'd better get the 2007 MVP numbers from Rollins if you're gonna spend $38 on him.
D_Rock
Footballguy
As far as I can tell, every single person has been over spent for...We havent bid on a single player the last 3 day. We are just gonna save our money and hope to get a bunch of decent players. But I have a feeling we are just going to get bid up and end up overspending for the cheap guys anyway.Some quick stats for everyone.46% of the leagues money has been spent....We have filled 21% of our starters and 17% of our total roster spots..That is a little crazy IMO.
D_Rock
Footballguy
Question for the big boys:
I nominated Carlos Lee, and I nominated him for 20 bucks. He sat there for a few hours....10 people viewed him and nobody bid 21..Finally someone bid 21, should I go 22 in hopes of getting him or let him slide and just continue to save my money?
He seems like an awfully good source of HR's, RBI, AVG, Ks, R....just a solid player IMO.
I nominated Carlos Lee, and I nominated him for 20 bucks. He sat there for a few hours....10 people viewed him and nobody bid 21..Finally someone bid 21, should I go 22 in hopes of getting him or let him slide and just continue to save my money?
He seems like an awfully good source of HR's, RBI, AVG, Ks, R....just a solid player IMO.
Oh Yes!
Footballguy
go 22-25. hes good.
D_Rock
Footballguy
You got it..Finallly got the green light from a FBG to spend some cheddar.
D_Rock
Footballguy
Corey Hart for 16 bucks seems like a steal, but his OBP is brutally bad and we cant take that on our team with the guys we have...
Alex Rios also seems like a good price, but we are going to let it slide as well...
The bargains are starting to be available.
We plan on looking at Cano, Furcal, Volquez for the current prices...gonna give it some time for these other players to fall off the board and people's budgets to tighten.
We were robbed of Casey Blake for 4 dollars last night by about 15 minutes and Carlos Lee and Alexei Ramirez with under 3 hours...I dont know if these guys did it on purpose, but I know they checked in multiple times before they placed their bids..Seems like a Dikmove to wait until the last possible minute to bid. We are bowing out of those races.
Lots of good pitchers and some still pretty good options at all the hitting positions.
Alex Rios also seems like a good price, but we are going to let it slide as well...
The bargains are starting to be available.
We plan on looking at Cano, Furcal, Volquez for the current prices...gonna give it some time for these other players to fall off the board and people's budgets to tighten.
We were robbed of Casey Blake for 4 dollars last night by about 15 minutes and Carlos Lee and Alexei Ramirez with under 3 hours...I dont know if these guys did it on purpose, but I know they checked in multiple times before they placed their bids..Seems like a Dikmove to wait until the last possible minute to bid. We are bowing out of those races.
Lots of good pitchers and some still pretty good options at all the hitting positions.
D_Rock
Footballguy
For 4 bucks? I thought it was a steal...He is consistent and steady...only downside is he strikes out a lot. I thought 4 dollars was a good buy.Why are you so upset about losing out on Casey Blake of all people?
MAC_32
Footballguy
Probably, but it's nothing to get bent out of shape about. There's several other 3B's available that should produce better or equal numbers to Blake that will be just as cheap.For 4 bucks? I thought it was a steal...He is consistent and steady...only downside is he strikes out a lot. I thought 4 dollars was a good buy.Why are you so upset about losing out on Casey Blake of all people?
Eephus
Footballguy
There will be better $4 bargains later on. Blake's chances of significantly outperforming a $4 price tag aren't very high.I think whoever sniped you probably did you a favor.For 4 bucks? I thought it was a steal...He is consistent and steady...only downside is he strikes out a lot. I thought 4 dollars was a good buy.Why are you so upset about losing out on Casey Blake of all people?
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Speaking of this, due to people partnering up you've been moved from alternate to full-fledged member in the Set Us Up The Leeg thread. You can roll dice for draft position now.
D_Rock
Footballguy
I heard...I am looking things over as I type this.
Eephus
Footballguy
In that case, Casey Blake is a solid sleeper that you shouldn't miss out on. Target him accordingly in the third or fourth round
D_Rock
Footballguy
NotedIn that case, Casey Blake is a solid sleeper that you shouldn't miss out on. Target him accordingly in the third or fourth round
Eephus
Footballguy
PASSUggla is hurt by your format. Poor OBP and lots of Ks.Furcal plays a position you already spent a lot on.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
D_Rock
Footballguy
Thanks. I am doing my very best to stay disciplined.Right now..Chad Billingsley is on the board and people are struggling to come up with money, so he will go cheap.As for position players we are looking at that havent been nominated:Jorge CantuJames LoneyNick SwisherMark DeRosaPlacido Polanco (We need BA and OBP and K help)Vernon WellsDelmon YoungJD Drew (OBP guy)Jeff Francuer (My fave player, gonna take everything I have to hold back...need OF assists as a category)Eric ByrnesAdam JonesShin-Soo Choo (Heard you guys talking about him)Pitchers:Aaron HarangClayton KershawKevin SloweyMatt CainYovani GollardoManny ParraPaul MalholmChein Ming WangWe will see how it goes, but there just isnt enough money for these guys to go for fair market value IMO.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I would love them.
Lots of great, bargain pitchers there - Slowey, YoGa, Kershaw, Harang, Cain, Parra, Maholm in that order.I'd be hot after Adam Jones and Choo if I were you. DeRosa's great for his flexibility if he's cheap enough.
