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SNL is Friggin' Horrible! Except when Timberlake is hosting. (1 Viewer)

Bruce Dickinson said:
Probably about time for Vanessa Bayer to move on as well.  I'll miss her WU appearances as children (I love the bar mitzvah kid and I don't care what that says about me), but this writing staff is all-in on McKinnon and Bryant, and they still haven't found Cecily Strong's ceiling yet.  




 
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That character is incredibly not funny and one of the more punchable in recent memory.  

 
jhib said:
The gay/lesbian bits on this show just seem like such lazy humor to me.

Then again, so did repeatedly hitting the guest star in the face with a pie.
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I thought the pie skit was funny. MM does a great job with physical humor so that was right in her wheelhouse. 

 
I always like Cecily's impersonation of that somewhat infamous woman (the character that seems to be a meth head) and she really dropped some truth too .

 
Vanessa Bayer has confirmed on social media tonight is her last SNL episode.

Bobby Moynihan seems to be prepping for his farewell as well.

Vintage episode is a Jim Carrey from 1996 that is very good.  But it was chosen because Soundgarden is the musical guest.

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Do we have confirmation Mikey wrote the cotton candy party sketch?  I'll admit that one won me over with the sheer volume.  

Throwing something that silly between two political sketches helped all three.  Good call, Lorne.  

Probably about time for Vanessa Bayer to move on as well.  I'll miss her WU appearances as children (I love the bar mitzvah kid and I don't care what that says about me), but this writing staff is all-in on McKinnon and Bryant, and they still haven't found Cecily Strong's ceiling yet.  I think Bayer would be great in ensemble comedy - she seemed to do well in sketches with 4-5 people having speaking parts.     
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I just assume that any sketch where Mikey Day is the lead is something he wrote, because I don't really see what he is bringing to someone else's sketch per se, but certainly could be wrong.  Perhaps some of the writers and he do have a synergy going.

Fair point on sequencing.

Vanessa could totally do a Nasim Pedrad and would have a great life.  Will be a shame, but such is life.

 
OMG Carrey was amazing as a third Roxbury Guy.  

Can't believe they made a movie starring those characters.

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:lmao:  Carrey as Jimmy Stewart on The Joe Pesci Show. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:  Forgot what a force of nature Carrey was at his peak.

 
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So kill your health and kill yourselfAnd kill everything you loveAnd if you live you can fall to piecesAnd suffer with my ghostJust a burden in my handJust an anchor on my heartJust a tumor in my headAnd I'm in the dark

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Vanessa Bayer has confirmed on social media tonight is her last SNL episode.

Bobby Moynihan seems to be prepping for his farewell as well.

Vintage episode is a Jim Carrey from 1996 that is very good.  But it was chosen because Soundgarden is the musical guest.
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Bobby and Vanessa getting a big send-off

 
Encyclopedia Brown said:
Norm took no prisoners at the Weekend Update desk. That Tabitha Soren line was brutal. 
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I just searched the forum for "Tabitha Soren," as I do every night, and this came up. What's this about now?

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
I just searched the forum for "Tabitha Soren," as I do every night, and this came up. What's this about now?
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Paraphrasing: (the episode first aired in May 1996) Norm showed a picture of Soren and quoted her as saying she wasn't dating journalist Michael Lewis because she didn't have time to pretend she is not dating someone. Norm responded that was because she was too busy pretending not to be stupid.  

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
I just searched the forum for "Tabitha Soren," as I do every night, and this came up. What's this about now?
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The SNL Vintage episode tonight was from May 1996.  During Weekend Update, Norm Macdonald did a joke about a tabloid report about MTV News anchor Tabitha Soren being romantically linked with journalist Michael Lewis.  (Which was true - they got married a year later.  And yes, that's the same Michael Lewis who wrote Moneyball and The Big Short.)

The joke Norm did was Soren denies the reports, claiming she doesn't have time for a boyfriend "because she's too busy pretending not to be stupid."

 
Long Ball Larry said:
Bobby and Vanessa getting a big send-off
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I doubt it ended for Vanessa the way she planned, getting buckets of water splashed on her and a sketch with so many bad fart jokes it made her break, but it is what it is.

I never was much for Drunk Uncle (I preferred Riblet and the second-hand news guy), but it probably is his signature character.  

Moynihan was probably the cast member hurt most by Baldwin's Trump dominating cold opens all season.  Moynihan was so good at waking up the crowd - my favorite live stuff he did was in the Fox & Friends cold opens.  He could go straight into the camera and spout nonsense with such conviction.  I'll also have a warm spot for Slappy Pappy, one of the Kings Of Catchphrase Comedy.

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
It was maybe the 12th-meanest thing he said during the sketch.  The Soren joke didn't get a big laugh.

The "OJ is a murderer", "Bill Clinton is a philanderer", and "Tom Cruise might be gay" material all did better in the room.
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Norm has contended that it was the OJ jokes that got him fired. A big NBC exec was friends with OJ and his family and asked Lorne Michaels as a favor to have Norm cool it. Lorne would excise the jokes from the script but Norm would ad-lib them anyway. 

 
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Encyclopedia Brown said:
Norm has contended that it was the OJ jokes that got him fired. A big NBC exec was friends with OJ and his family and asked Lorne Michael as a favor to have Norm cool it. Lorne would excise the jokes from the script but Norm would ad-lib them anyway. 
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All true.   And Jim Downey enabled him.  Downey had left the show and came back on a deal where he would just write and produce Weekend Update with Norm every week.  

The NBC suit was **** Ebersol, who had hired OJ as an NBC Sports correspondent and was social with OJ and Nicole.   Ebersol was a star at the network at the time as NBC had all the big sports events then, and had some history with NBC late night, producing a couple seasons of SNL while Lorne was gone and developing other late night programming like Friday Night Videos and Saturday Night's Main Event.

ETA: Whoops!  The suit was Don Ohlmeyer.  Ebersol would have supported the firing, but it was Ohlmeyer making the demands.  Read on for a post and link from wikkid correcting my error.

 
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Bruce Dickinson said:
All true.   And Jim Downey enabled him.  Downey had left the show and came back on a deal where he would just write and produce Weekend Update with Norm every week.  

The NBC suit was **** Ebersol, who had hired OJ as an NBC Sports correspondent and was social with OJ and Nicole.   Ebersol was a star at the network at the time as NBC had all the big sports events then, and had some history with NBC late night, producing a couple seasons of SNL while Lorne was gone and developing other late night programming like Friday Night Videos and Saturday Night's Main Event.
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When **** Ebersol passes, my homage to him will be a string of Norm MacDonald OJ Weekend update jokes.

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Vanessa Bayer has confirmed on social media tonight is her last SNL episode.

Bobby Moynihan seems to be prepping for his farewell as well.

Vintage episode is a Jim Carrey from 1996 that is very good.  But it was chosen because Soundgarden is the musical guest.
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Maybe you are aware, but Bobby's cbs pilot was picked up last week.

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
All true.   And Jim Downey enabled him.  Downey had left the show and came back on a deal where he would just write and produce Weekend Update with Norm every week.  

The NBC suit was **** Ebersol, who had hired OJ as an NBC Sports correspondent and was social with OJ and Nicole.   Ebersol was a star at the network at the time as NBC had all the big sports events then, and had some history with NBC late night, producing a couple seasons of SNL while Lorne was gone and developing other late night programming like Friday Night Videos and Saturday Night's Main Event.
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Don't remember, coulda been Ebersol done the actual firing, but the beef was with Don Ohlmeyer, NBC West. I lost my only TV job because of a change of West @ ABC (and i never did any TV biz west of the Hudson, so that was weird) so i remember these things.

 
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wikkidpissah said:
Don't remember, coulda been Ebersol done the actual firing, but the beef was with Don Ohlmeyer, NBC West. I lost my only TV job because of a change of West @ ABC so i remember these things.
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You are right.  I am wrong.  I mixed up my suits.  

Ebersol is a suit who fits the profile, was with NBC, and had beef with Lorne over SNL's birth and creation.  And Ebersol was fresh in my mind from his participation in the recent 30 For 30 about the XFL.  

The article you linked to is accurate.  The Shales/Miller oral history of SNL, considered canon, also says it's Ohlmeyer.  

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Vanessa Bayer has confirmed on social media tonight is her last SNL episode.

Bobby Moynihan seems to be prepping for his farewell as well.

Vintage episode is a Jim Carrey from 1996 that is very good.  But it was chosen because Soundgarden is the musical guest.
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Maybe you are aware, but Bobby's cbs pilot was picked up last week.

 
Back to the Chris Pine episode and the Spocko sketch, the guy who was playing Sulu was Akira Yoshimura, who has been a production designer since the inception of the show.  He played Sulu in a 1976 sketch with Belushi's famous Captain Kirk, and reprised the role on two other occasions, as well as having some other cameos over the years.  I really had no idea and was wondering who he was during the sketch.

http://fanfilmfactor.com/2017/05/12/akira-yoshimura-reprises-his-role-as-sulu-on-saturday-night-live-41-years-later/

 
The "child molesting robot" was kind of brilliant.  Really appreciated it.  Although I think they could have gone a little farther with it.  

 
Sweet J said:
The "child molesting robot" was kind of brilliant.  Really appreciated it.  Although I think they could have gone a little farther with it.  
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I'm very sensitive about child molestation.  I sat stone-faced through Louie CK's monologue when he touched on it last season.  

After many years in corporate management, academia, coaching, and parenting, I have seen a zillion examples of people interpreting what instructions could mean instead of what they were intended to mean across all ages in all environments.

That sketch's combination of one of the few things I find taboo with something I am so familiar with created this exciting tension within me. 

That's my long-winded way of saying I thought the sketch was brilliant.  And I'm glad they didn't push the taboo side farther.

IMO they struck a moment of insight about abuse and how a scientist might approach it when the peers asked "how did you get the robot to molest?", the response was "I molested it, and figured it would continue the pattern".

When Rock dropped "isn't that where the goalposts are?"... I laughed out loud so hard I woke up the dog.  

 
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Bruce Dickinson said:
I'm very sensitive about child molestation.  I sat stone-faced through Louie CK's monologue when he touched on it last season.  

After many years in corporate management, academia, coaching, and parenting, I have seen a zillion examples of people interpreting what instructions could mean instead of what they were intended to mean across all ages in all environments.

That sketch's combination of one of the few things I find taboo with something I am so familiar with created this exciting tension within me. 

That's my long-winded way of saying I thought the sketch was brilliant.  And I'm glad they didn't push the taboo side farther.

IMO they struck a moment of insight about abuse and how a scientist might approach it when the peers asked "how did you get the robot to molest?", the response was "I molested it, and figured it would continue the pattern".

When Rock dropped "isn't that where the goalposts are?"... I laughed out loud so hard I woke up the dog.  
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hahaha.  I agree, those were the two best lines.  I also liked the use of actual satire by SNL (as opposed to poking fun at the idiots in the white house).  I liked that we have been subject to a gazillion movies, tv shows, and books about evil villains and villainy, but these things are always soft-pedaled to us -- we only are watching "pretend evil."  It's part of society's discomfort with addressing issues that we find uncomfortable. And SNL was flipping this.  I liked it.  And I totally agree with your above analysis. I also liked the Rock's matter-of-fact scientist. (culminating with him saying something like: "hold on, this IS the contest for most evil invention, right?")

 
Sweet J said:
I also liked the Rock's matter-of-fact scientist. (culminating with him saying something like: "hold on, this IS the contest for most evil invention, right?")
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Literally LOL re-reading that line.

Re: a bunch of stuff from your post I edited out... having seen every episode of Phineas & Ferb and being familiar with Wile E Couote's ACME Catalog, I've seen the gamut of "evil" devices and contraptions.  I was expecting the sketch to escalate in that direction.

Dug that they cast Rock in that part.  Would've been easy to put glasses on Kyle Mooney or Alex Moffat and have one of them roll out the robot, but having Rock come out on a nerdy haircut but not an over-the-top nerd voice or super-villain sneer made it even funnier.

 
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