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So, do you downgrade Blackmon for landing in Jax? (1 Viewer)
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Hoot&HoLLer
Footballguy
Agreed that if you think Blackmon has the goods, you draft him early.
Gabbert can't get much worse, which means he has to get better. MJD, Lewis, Robinson, Thomas, and Blackmon is a decent set of skill players for Gabbert. Now they need to get him pocket protectors. I like Blackmon no less as a Jaguar as I think Gabbert will take a step forward.
Gabbert can't get much worse, which means he has to get better. MJD, Lewis, Robinson, Thomas, and Blackmon is a decent set of skill players for Gabbert. Now they need to get him pocket protectors. I like Blackmon no less as a Jaguar as I think Gabbert will take a step forward.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
Gabbert sucks and MJD won't last until Blackmon is in his prime. If it were a team that just had a down year, I wouldn't move him much. Jax is bad, and still on the way down IMO. I don't think they hit bottom for another year or two and that means another year or two to get back to relevance. 4-5 years 'till Blackmon can change teams or Jax has the ball enough or has an offense that can support a top 10 FFB WR.
trader jake
Footballguy
Is there a team you would NOT have liked him on?Jacksonville seems like a rough landing spot, short-term at least.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
On one hand, he's all but guaranteed to be force fed the ball right away. On the other hand, I fear he wasn't elite to begin with, and now has arguably the worst QB situation in the league to deal with.
I have the 1.2 and he will still be my pick. I like the Jags landing spot way better than Arizona #2 and way, way, way more than Titans #2. Also was not big on either RB landing spot outside of Richardson who will be almost a lock for #1 pick overall.
In fact in my 16 team league, I am almost certain I am going Luck at the 1.3 now with where all these players landed in the first round.
Gabbert takes alot of abuse on here but I expect him to take a huge leap forward this year. He was still the youngest QB ever to start this many games in a season. Troy Aikman and Petyon Manning stuggled big time year 1 also. He has heart and has worked hard this off-season to improve. He has new coaching staff that cares and knows what they are doing. Full off-season to prepare instead of being thrown into the fire. He improved as the season went along. He is smart with great mobility and a cannon arm. People writing him off due to young age, poor coaching, no weapons outside of MJD, hurt OL, and zero preparation time last year, seems silly to me. But to each there own. Not deterring me from jumping on blackmon
In fact in my 16 team league, I am almost certain I am going Luck at the 1.3 now with where all these players landed in the first round.
Gabbert takes alot of abuse on here but I expect him to take a huge leap forward this year. He was still the youngest QB ever to start this many games in a season. Troy Aikman and Petyon Manning stuggled big time year 1 also. He has heart and has worked hard this off-season to improve. He has new coaching staff that cares and knows what they are doing. Full off-season to prepare instead of being thrown into the fire. He improved as the season went along. He is smart with great mobility and a cannon arm. People writing him off due to young age, poor coaching, no weapons outside of MJD, hurt OL, and zero preparation time last year, seems silly to me. But to each there own. Not deterring me from jumping on blackmon
petenice15
Footballguy
People were downgrading AJ Green last year bc of landing in Cinci with a rookie QB. That seemed to work out ok.
Banger
Footballguy
This. If you're talking dynasty the QB shouldn't drop him down your list. Things change quick and some assumptions (Green-Dalton-Cincy) don't always work out as expected.
The Comedian
Footballguy
I'm not moving him down too much, but that's basically because of Chad Henne.
Shutout
Footballguy
-The Jags run 50% of the time.
-Their new coach has been universally criticized for being less than imaginative.
-The leading receiver for the Jags had 44 catches last year.
-If you are saying you think this is good for Blackmon and Robinson, then you are saying out loud that you believe in Gabbert to a degree.
When Fitz came into the league, he had Josh McCown (13) / Shaun King (2) / John Navarre (1)
as his QB (parentheses is number of games with each). Fitz showed promise the first year, despite those guys and despite a poor team. So there is hope, especially in a dynasty. But Blackmon isn't Fitz.
I think this location makes him more likely to be Roy Williams than Fitz. I would have taken Blackmon higher than Floyd in my drafts had he landed almost anywhere else, despit liking Floyd better (would have done it based on consensus perceived value, knowing I could trade the "name"). But not now. I wouldn't take him before 5 or 6 now, depending on need.
-Their new coach has been universally criticized for being less than imaginative.
-The leading receiver for the Jags had 44 catches last year.
-If you are saying you think this is good for Blackmon and Robinson, then you are saying out loud that you believe in Gabbert to a degree.
When Fitz came into the league, he had Josh McCown (13) / Shaun King (2) / John Navarre (1)
as his QB (parentheses is number of games with each). Fitz showed promise the first year, despite those guys and despite a poor team. So there is hope, especially in a dynasty. But Blackmon isn't Fitz.
I think this location makes him more likely to be Roy Williams than Fitz. I would have taken Blackmon higher than Floyd in my drafts had he landed almost anywhere else, despit liking Floyd better (would have done it based on consensus perceived value, knowing I could trade the "name"). But not now. I wouldn't take him before 5 or 6 now, depending on need.
Winning IS Everything
Footballguy
I am leery, but not downgrading until we see training camp reports coming out about how this offense is progressing. I am not a big Gabbert fan, but kind of hard to judge an offense that trots out Mike Friggin Thomas as a #1 WR.
trader jake
Footballguy
True. However, many are also writing him off because Gabbert didn't show the ability to make throw into tight windows at Missouri (especially in the red zone) and in his rookie year he sensed pressure in the pocket when it wasn't there. When pressure was there he looked like a deer in headlights.Dynasty drafters that select solely on talent won't adjust their big board but those of us that take situation into account will. There's no doubt Blackmon's stock didn't go up last night...how much it fell depends on your draft philosophy.
Not that Henne is great, but I think he'd be able to get the ball to Blackmon so if Gabbart is as bad as many suspect, he'll be replaced fairly early. I'm still full on the Blackmon bandwagon, though my expectations are tempered for year 1.
trader jake
Footballguy
Agreed on Henne; right now he's better than Gabbert. I look at Brandon Marshall's numbers in Miami and I don't see an uptick when Henne was in there (and it's not like the competition has been great when it wasn't Henne in there). In fact Marshall had his worst season in Miami the year Henne started all year.None of this means that Blackmon won't be a solid pro, it just gives me pause and caps his upside. Something that I wouldn't do if he went to the Rams, Vikings, or a few other teams that could have traded up for him.
Shane Falco
Footballguy
I'm n board with thisMayock did have Gabbert very high last year. He said at one point should have been taken over Newton. I understand him struggling for sure but I have read good things. Prisco had a great article not long ago on Gabbert. I think it comes down to coaching and heart and he seems to have both right now. But he was high in Mayocks opinion and one bad rookie year wont change my opinion. Things have improved big time for Jags from a year ago and he has been working hard this off-season already including working with a QB guru. He is doing all the correct things to improve. Will he. I cant say. Maybe he is a bust but I see a ton of promise and Blackmon will be targeted big time. And if Gabbert fails, than Jags have failed and they will get a new QB. We are talking 10 to 12 years for Blackmon to provide help for 2/3 of those years. He is my pick for sure at the 1.2. Micheal Irvin calls him a beast. He made Weeden the 22nd pick overall also.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
I think it's the worst-case scenario too, but I'm not dropping him past the No. 2 slot.
Shutout
Footballguy
And changing a Qb guarantees improvement? I think what people are saying is that the situation isn't good and you can't guarantee that a change improves things.but lets be realistic, we have watched football enough to know how this will really play out.If gabbart shows ANY improvement, he gets another year. So he can go from truly terrible to just stinks and we get him another year. Then if he struggles in 2014, Henne comes in and replaces him for the rest of the year. Then in 2015 (2015!), we are back to square one with an other unproven rookie OR the FOTM backup free agent. I think people are just saying this probably tempers immediate success. THis could be the WR version of JSTEW.
FavreCo
Footballguy
neither does anyone else who watched it.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
So what's the verdict on this guy?
Are we placing most of the blame on his hideous QB, or is he just not getting separation like he did in college?
And is there any reason for optimism in dynasty?
Are we placing most of the blame on his hideous QB, or is he just not getting separation like he did in college?
And is there any reason for optimism in dynasty?
MAC_32
Footballguy
He is not putting in the work, is it because he got paid and doesn't care? or is it because he is on an awful team with an abomination of a QB? I don't know, we'll find out next year I guess.
Kleck
Footballguy
My biggest complaint with Blackmon is that I see no desire from him. He has the skills to be a very good WR in this league, maybe one of the more dominate WRs. He just doesn't seem to care. I really noticed this a couple of weeks ago during the Packers game. He was cutting routes short. Not running hard or coming back to the QB if Gabbert was on the run. Didn't seem to go after some balls that I believe he's capable of catching. Basically calling it a game before the game was over.
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Wadsworth
Footballguy
Shorts: 6 for 105 and 1Robinson: 9 for 77
Spurlock: 6 for 66
Blackmon: 3 for 25
Kind of hard to blame the QB play.
Banger
Footballguy
He is still just a rookie on a horrendously bad team and although he hasn't shown a lot sometimes it takes a little longer for the light to click on. Personally I might try to sell low if you can find someone that still likes his upside. You want your guy to at least show those flashes and desire despite the bad spot he's in and he's not done that.
In what is not a real good year for rookie wrs where he was at or near the top I'd rank him below wright, Gordon, Jeffery, broyles, Hilton and I'm probably forgetting a guy or two.
In what is not a real good year for rookie wrs where he was at or near the top I'd rank him below wright, Gordon, Jeffery, broyles, Hilton and I'm probably forgetting a guy or two.
Shutout
Footballguy
I agree. This is just putting words to an opinion, of course, but its almost like he is just not used to playing on a struggling team and he doesn't stay focussed/interested through all 4 quarters. Just not trying to make an impact.As of now, he clearly isn't the best WR on the team. This could be a slippery slope for him. We might wake up one day and say " I can't believe he has been in the league for 4 years and not really done anything."
Banger
Footballguy
Agreed. Regardless of the situation you want to see that fire and desire. Everyone is talented in the nfl and your measurables will get you in the door but the mental part of the game is what separates the good from the great. Desire and motivation has to be within and when it's not there or guys have to "learn" it at this stage it often doesn't end well. Take a guy like d. Moore last year... He was in a similar crappy situation but he was bringing it every practice and game. Blackmons book isn't written yet but the 1st chapter was pretty bad.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
probably a little bit of the Dez syndrome with him, might take him awhile to learn how to be a NFL WR. I believe his talent will rise to the top of Jax.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
In Blackmon's defense, I noticed last night that on a lot of plays, he just runs a quick out from the slot position. I saw this over and over and over again. And Gabbert basically never looked his way. Gabbert is so afraid to get hit, and he almost always throws (very quickly) to the primary receiver, and I don't think that's Blackmon on many plays. So while you can say that Gabbert is completing passes to other WRs, so it's not his fault, I would say that his incompetence when it comes to scanning the field is hurting Blackmon.
Not saying Blackmon hasn't been disappointing too, but I do think a lot of it falls on how they're using Blackmon and on Gabbert's lack of ability.
Now, of course you can argue that if Blackmon was doing better, they would feature him more in the offense and he would get more looks from Gabbert. But I have no idea how Mularkey makes those decisions or what all goes into that.
Not saying Blackmon hasn't been disappointing too, but I do think a lot of it falls on how they're using Blackmon and on Gabbert's lack of ability.
Now, of course you can argue that if Blackmon was doing better, they would feature him more in the offense and he would get more looks from Gabbert. But I have no idea how Mularkey makes those decisions or what all goes into that.
AND he doesn't seem to throw well to his right. Anyone else notice that? The picksix was to his right, poor throws to WR & TE to the right, zero read instant throws to the widest WR on the left. They even moved shorts over to the left for his double move.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
maybe thats all blackmon can handle? maybe they dumbed down the playbook for him. His mind might not be able to adjust his routes on the fly yet. It often takes WRs a couple year to get hwo to be a WR in the NFL
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Shorts had two catches last season and looked totally lost at times. Blackmon will get his chances, it is up to him what he does with them.
