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So.... Does Bush's Ranking Finally Come Down To Earth? (1 Viewer)
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He will continue to be the most hyped player in the preseason... and there are still 2 preseason games of hype left...I'm hoping the hype continues and someone in my league takes him at the end of the 1st, top of the second....Last year Caddie was the earliest rookie RB taken and that was towards the end of the 3rd... (we are also a 3 man keeper league for players drafted in the 4th round and above)If someone is high on Reggie, they aren't going to let the monday night thumping by the cowboys sway them...botabu said:
PsychoMan
Footballguy
agree with you there
LT21
Footballguy
I wasn't thinking and drafted him a little too high. With the #1 pick in a 12 team league, I took him at the turn in the 2nd/3rd. He was the #14 RB taken and I liked his upside over the likes of K. Jones, B. Westbrook, J. Jones, J. Lewis, D. Davis, D. Foster, Dillon, W. Parker and R. Droughns. I thought it might be too high to take C. Taylor and I was hoping he would make it back to me in the 4th--but didn't.
I know a lot will disagree. I'm doubting myself a little but I didn't like the team or injury situation on all of the above-mentioned.
I know a lot will disagree. I'm doubting myself a little but I didn't like the team or injury situation on all of the above-mentioned.
adonis
Footballguy
If you get him, you'll have to get him early, regardless of how well he does. If you get him early, you should expect to start someone else during the first part of the season, while he gets settled in and gets experience. After a few weeks, maybe midway through the season, his time will come and he will produce. IF you can hold out that long, he will be of value to you. In keeper and dynasty leagues, his value is off the charts just about, imo, depending on your rules.
Anyways, I don't see any preseason game really affecting his ADP much more, unless he gets hurt.
Anyways, I don't see any preseason game really affecting his ADP much more, unless he gets hurt.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Why would this slow the hype? Bush looked very good again, made some sweet moves. I'm not concerned that the Cowboys won or what Bush's stats on a couple carries were.
Reggie Bush looks as good as advertised. That's all I care about. I believe he's so good that the Saints will simply have to get him on the field as much as possible. What I have seen this preseason only confirms that.
Reggie Bush looks as good as advertised. That's all I care about. I believe he's so good that the Saints will simply have to get him on the field as much as possible. What I have seen this preseason only confirms that.
This_Is_Not_VRR
Footballguy
Why? The Cowboys defense looked great against the Seahawks offense too.
jurb26
Footballguy
Agreed. Bush looked good out there even if the stats did not translate that too well. This game probably did nothing to make his ADP drop.
adonis
Footballguy
You give deuce a hole, he'll run through it and run over defenders, maybe gaining a few yards. You give Bush a hole, he can break it a number of different ways, and he showed flashes tonight of what might happen over the course of a game.In real games, they'll use Deuce and Bush, and mask which one they'll use, to keep the defense off balance. They won't do this in the preseason games, so we really won't get but a glimpse of what's possible with both. But all you need to know is that the talent is there, and it's "as advertised". That's clear to anyone who has watched him play.
adonis
Footballguy
- Arizona's line is terrible, and James has a lot of wear and tear.- Jordan is in a obsolete offensive system, behind a suspect line, and won't catch as much as in Turner's RB receiving friendly offense.- McGahee relies on his passing game and QB to improve, big question marks there.In a PPR league, I wouldn't fault any owner from taking Bush over these aformentioned players.
massraider
Footballguy
If you told me I could have Bush or MaGahee, I'd have to think long and hard about it.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Music to my ears
snitwitch
Footballguy
Sean Salisbury was basically fellating Reggie Bush on SC tonight -- all based off of one run.
Arm Chair Express
Footballguy
My thought exactly, there were a couple of plays that Demarcus Ware (spl) made great plays that would have went for big gains if he didn't make them. Reggie also made like 4 guys miss on the one screen pass. His overall stats weren't that good, but watching the game last night kind of reminded me of the 10 years of watching Barry play (I'm not compairing the two). Every time he touches the ball is exciting to see what he's going to do with it. That being said, Did anyone see the ESPN draft before the game? Mort took him #5 overall. What a moron, I would like to have him come to my draft and help someone else draft.
Bristol
Footballguy
I have said it before and I will say it again:
Reggie Bush will WRECK many fantasy teams this year because people are reaching for him late first/early second.
At that position of the draft, there is no way for you to follow up with another capable running back. More than likely, all of the capable backs will be snatched up through the rest of the second and all of the third until the draft gets back to you.
If you want to win your league this year, you will not draft Bush that early.
Reggie Bush will WRECK many fantasy teams this year because people are reaching for him late first/early second.
At that position of the draft, there is no way for you to follow up with another capable running back. More than likely, all of the capable backs will be snatched up through the rest of the second and all of the third until the draft gets back to you.
If you want to win your league this year, you will not draft Bush that early.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
Funny thing is this Hype has been going for 2 years. Mayock has been hyping Bush forever.
The fact of the matter is I believe he has shown moves I have only seen Gayle Sayers and LT2 make. Im not sure where to rank him this year, mostly because he has so much to learn, but the talent is astounding. Im dying to see more of what this kid has on a pro level.
Having said that - 2 games against Tampa's D, 2 games against Carolina's D, and 2 games against the revamped Atlanta D. Throw in games against Phili, Dallas, Baltimore, Washington and Cincinnatti. Heisman dinner cuircut - new offense............... I still want to see him go a full season on the Turf a the Dome. So many questions still unanswered.
Bottom line is whether you decide to drink the Cool-Aid or not. Personally, I think a 3rd is value. Plenty of risk still, but lotsa upside.
The fact of the matter is I believe he has shown moves I have only seen Gayle Sayers and LT2 make. Im not sure where to rank him this year, mostly because he has so much to learn, but the talent is astounding. Im dying to see more of what this kid has on a pro level.
Having said that - 2 games against Tampa's D, 2 games against Carolina's D, and 2 games against the revamped Atlanta D. Throw in games against Phili, Dallas, Baltimore, Washington and Cincinnatti. Heisman dinner cuircut - new offense............... I still want to see him go a full season on the Turf a the Dome. So many questions still unanswered.
Bottom line is whether you decide to drink the Cool-Aid or not. Personally, I think a 3rd is value. Plenty of risk still, but lotsa upside.
GibbyGarcia
Footballguy
Which is why I'm torn. My choice is either Bush or Caddy in a 10 team/2 player keeper. (I have 1st pick in what amounts to basically the 3rd round). I've run 15 mocks praying that some running back that isn't filled with downside or backup comes back to me 19 picks later and it just doesn't happen. The decision is keeping me up at night and last night didn't downgrade Bush-it made me think, wow! look at his moves, and look how average Deuce looked.I'm now stuck with the decision of getting the most overhyped rookie in NFL history or being the guy that passed on the greatest RB in NFL history.
GibbyGarcia
Footballguy
Is THIS his schedule? Ughhh...Thanks for the cold water Hairy.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
NP. Forgot about the Giants.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
Here are how the top 20 went in my auction draft this past Sunday.
(200 Cap, 3 Keepers but this is the startup draft, 1 PPR, 10 per rush/rec, 6 per TD)
Player - Team/Bye - DDValue - Amount Paid
Larry Johnson KC/3 73 71
LaDainian Tomlinson SD/3 69 70
Shaun Alexander Sea/5 63 70
Tiki Barber NYG/4 66 62
Steven Jackson StL/7 61 61
Edgerrin James Ari/9 46 56
Clinton Portis Was/8 58 53
Cadillac Williams TB/4 44 51
Ronnie Brown Mia/8 56 50
Rudi Johnson Cin/5 52 49
Reggie Bush NO/7 54 45
LaMont Jordan Oak/3 43 45
Brian Westbrook Phi/9 48 42
Willis McGahee Buf/8 40 35
Chester Taylor Min/6 30 31
Willie Parker Pit/4 38 29
Jamal Lewis Bal/7 32 29
Kevin Jones Det/8 50 22
Reuben Droughns Cle/6 41 20
DeShaun Foster Car/9 33 17
Bush was the 15th highest paid player overall so received top of the 2nd round money.
He was the last player nominated in that tier though so it may have been somewhat inflated.
The fact that he can be kept may have inflated a little bit also although its +$5 a year for keepers.
McGahee, Parker, Droughns, and Foster were all nominated later on after the initial spending spree was over. Maybe Kevin Jones too but I was surprised at the total lack on interest in him and how cheap I got him.
(200 Cap, 3 Keepers but this is the startup draft, 1 PPR, 10 per rush/rec, 6 per TD)
Player - Team/Bye - DDValue - Amount Paid
Larry Johnson KC/3 73 71
LaDainian Tomlinson SD/3 69 70
Shaun Alexander Sea/5 63 70
Tiki Barber NYG/4 66 62
Steven Jackson StL/7 61 61
Edgerrin James Ari/9 46 56
Clinton Portis Was/8 58 53
Cadillac Williams TB/4 44 51
Ronnie Brown Mia/8 56 50
Rudi Johnson Cin/5 52 49
Reggie Bush NO/7 54 45
LaMont Jordan Oak/3 43 45
Brian Westbrook Phi/9 48 42
Willis McGahee Buf/8 40 35
Chester Taylor Min/6 30 31
Willie Parker Pit/4 38 29
Jamal Lewis Bal/7 32 29
Kevin Jones Det/8 50 22
Reuben Droughns Cle/6 41 20
DeShaun Foster Car/9 33 17
Bush was the 15th highest paid player overall so received top of the 2nd round money.
He was the last player nominated in that tier though so it may have been somewhat inflated.
The fact that he can be kept may have inflated a little bit also although its +$5 a year for keepers.
McGahee, Parker, Droughns, and Foster were all nominated later on after the initial spending spree was over. Maybe Kevin Jones too but I was surprised at the total lack on interest in him and how cheap I got him.
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(HULK)
(Smash)
Um, but Bush can be your keeper.He might not be the best RB this year. He'll be somewhat decent though. In the following years though, this kid is going to shine.
robertgates
Footballguy
At the turn between the 2nd and 3rd isn't a bad spot to take him. You should already have a stud from the first and either a good RB or stud WR. His upside is of the charts and most of the RBs you would take here have some questions either injury or possible RBBC. They are going to get him the ball either handing it to him or throwing it to him. Brees likes to throw to his back, just ask LT. With Deuce coming off ACL surgery, it is just a matter of time before Bush is taking the majority of the snaps. The only problem could come in the end of the season if the Saints are out of it and if Deuce has anything left they could end up putting him for the majority of the snaps trying to showcase him for a possible trade. Just a thought.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I think the kid has all the potential in the world, but I'm still baffled that he's crept his way into the 1st round of many drafts and is all but a lock to go in the top 15 it seems (he did in all three staff leagues).
Two points I think people aren't considering:
1) He's had 10 runs from scrimmage thus far in the preseason. While he had the 44-yard gain that has made the highlights on ESPN News about 1,000 times already, he's also recorded five of ten runs for 2 yards or LESS. NFL offenses can't afford to have their RB stopped cold 50% of the time, even if that means passing up a broken play on a cutback that goes for 40 yards. Now, let me be crystal clear here, I think Bush is a real talent and will do well this year (he's in my top 20 among fantasy RBs) but given the state of that offensive line and his backfield mate, you need to temper expectations a bit on the rushing totals I think.
2) Deuce McAllister played last night and WILL be able to pound out 3,4,5 yards at a clip if healthy. This is a guy the Saints are committed to financially and isn't some grinder that the team was comfortable with as long as there wasn't a better altnernative. When healthy McAllister is one of the toughest, most dynamic backs in football. Granted, I think it would be silly to project McAllister to have a huge rebound season given his injury timeline and the presence of Bush, but it would be equally silly to think that if healthy he's not going to get 180-200 touches at a minimum.
Two points I think people aren't considering:
1) He's had 10 runs from scrimmage thus far in the preseason. While he had the 44-yard gain that has made the highlights on ESPN News about 1,000 times already, he's also recorded five of ten runs for 2 yards or LESS. NFL offenses can't afford to have their RB stopped cold 50% of the time, even if that means passing up a broken play on a cutback that goes for 40 yards. Now, let me be crystal clear here, I think Bush is a real talent and will do well this year (he's in my top 20 among fantasy RBs) but given the state of that offensive line and his backfield mate, you need to temper expectations a bit on the rushing totals I think.
2) Deuce McAllister played last night and WILL be able to pound out 3,4,5 yards at a clip if healthy. This is a guy the Saints are committed to financially and isn't some grinder that the team was comfortable with as long as there wasn't a better altnernative. When healthy McAllister is one of the toughest, most dynamic backs in football. Granted, I think it would be silly to project McAllister to have a huge rebound season given his injury timeline and the presence of Bush, but it would be equally silly to think that if healthy he's not going to get 180-200 touches at a minimum.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
For me, the "Perfect Draft" scenario would be securing a top 3 spot, grabbing another top-15 RB in the 2nd round OR a top-3 WR, and then nabbing Bush in the 3rd round on the turn. But what I'm seeing a lot more of is someone grabbing a RB in the latter part of the 1st round, and then grabbing Bush in the turn in the early 2nd...and to me that really puts you behind the 8-ball as long as the elite RBs in the top 3 stay healthy.
barndog
Father of Two
Hmmm, my drafts don't have a round between the 2nd and 3rd. Interesting idea though. Hogwarts draft?Regardless, my favorite bit of hyperbole was Stu Scott yelling, after the one highlight replay, "Stop! I've seen enough!!"
Johnny Ryall
Footballguy
I picked 5th in a 10 team re-draft (PPR league) last week. Went Steven Jackson in the 1st and Fitzgerald in the 2nd. Bush was still available in the 3rd, so I took him as the 17th RB off the board. I also ended up getting Dunn in the 5th, so I figure there's minimal risk here. If Bush is the real deal, great. If not, I still have a viable RB to fill in for him.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
You'll do yourself a favor if you listen to this advice. If you're in one of my leagues, ignore what Bristol said.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
After watching last nights game it is clear that McAllister will begin to lose touches very quickly to Reggie Bush. The saints offense looked very explosive and moved the ball much better with Bush in the game. Deuce had 2 great seasons .... but that was 2 years ago, and now he is comming of an ACL tear. They did not make Bush one of the highest paid players in the league to sit him on the bench and let a much less tallented player and lower paid player in McAllister steal touches. The fans want to see Bush, that organization needs fan support. Bush will get 300 + touches this year and that will be enough to make him a top 10 RB.
BoomBoom
Footballguy
Had an auction 2 weeks ago, and I had the same type of results. Got LJ, Fitz, Bush, and Dunn, so blended risk/reward with some consistency.
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
The fact people can't see this is baffling to me.
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joffer
Footballguy
McAllister's contract is pretty big as well.
Scruff Mcgruff
Footballguy
Travis Henry and Willis McGahee threads from 2004 down?
Bristol
Footballguy
Didn't I just say this already (see above)? I agree 100%, but most people on this board don't want to live in reality.For me, the "Perfect Draft" scenario would be securing a top 3 spot, grabbing another top-15 RB in the 2nd round OR a top-3 WR, and then nabbing Bush in the 3rd round on the turn. But what I'm seeing a lot more of is someone grabbing a RB in the latter part of the 1st round, and then grabbing Bush in the turn in the early 2nd...and to me that really puts you behind the 8-ball as long as the elite RBs in the top 3 stay healthy.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Reality is that not all drafts run exactly the same. Someone high on Gates may take him in the first round. For example, in my draft I know my league drafts RB heavy and I also knew from talking to people Bush would go in round 2.Didn't I just say this already (see above)? I agree 100%, but most people on this board don't want to live in reality.For me, the "Perfect Draft" scenario would be securing a top 3 spot, grabbing another top-15 RB in the 2nd round OR a top-3 WR, and then nabbing Bush in the 3rd round on the turn. But what I'm seeing a lot more of is someone grabbing a RB in the latter part of the 1st round, and then grabbing Bush in the turn in the early 2nd...and to me that really puts you behind the 8-ball as long as the elite RBs in the top 3 stay healthy.
Bristol
Footballguy
I'm sorry to hear that you play with morons.Reality is that not all drafts run exactly the same. Someone high on Gates may take him in the first round. For example, in my draft I know my league drafts RB heavy and I also knew from talking to people Bush would go in round 2.Didn't I just say this already (see above)? I agree 100%, but most people on this board don't want to live in reality.For me, the "Perfect Draft" scenario would be securing a top 3 spot, grabbing another top-15 RB in the 2nd round OR a top-3 WR, and then nabbing Bush in the 3rd round on the turn. But what I'm seeing a lot more of is someone grabbing a RB in the latter part of the 1st round, and then grabbing Bush in the turn in the early 2nd...and to me that really puts you behind the 8-ball as long as the elite RBs in the top 3 stay healthy.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Not just here, but ESPN is killing me with the Man Love for Bush. The way ESPN covered Bush's performance on Monday night I would've sworn he ran for 150 and 3. I nearly spit beer out of my nose when they gushed on and on about how amazing some 9 yard run was and then said that he finished the night with 4 carries for 7 yards
No video footage of the defense stopping him in the backfield.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
I love when high school kids get online during their lunch breaks to talk FF
elpasotexan
Footballguy
I agree. The way Stu Scott and Salisbury gushed, I thought I may have seen a different game than they did. ESPN has networklove for Bush.Not just here, but ESPN is killing me with the Man Love for Bush. The way ESPN covered Bush's performance on Monday night I would've sworn he ran for 150 and 3. I nearly spit beer out of my nose when they gushed on and on about how amazing some 9 yard run was and then said that he finished the night with 4 carries for 7 yards
No way would I take him in the first or second round...third yes but he won't be there.
People are projecting him to have over 200 rushes, with Deuce having just a smidgen below. That's 400 rushes...even when Deuce was fully healthy in 2003 and 2002 the most rushes they had was 381. To expect them to go over 400 is just asking for disappointment.
There is a lot of risk with Bush, and the first two rounds I'm all about avoiding risk. I'll let somebody else deal with the headaches.
People are projecting him to have over 200 rushes, with Deuce having just a smidgen below. That's 400 rushes...even when Deuce was fully healthy in 2003 and 2002 the most rushes they had was 381. To expect them to go over 400 is just asking for disappointment.
There is a lot of risk with Bush, and the first two rounds I'm all about avoiding risk. I'll let somebody else deal with the headaches.
Chaka
Footballguy
That's just unnecessary Bristol.I'm sorry to hear that you play with morons.Reality is that not all drafts run exactly the same. Someone high on Gates may take him in the first round. For example, in my draft I know my league drafts RB heavy and I also knew from talking to people Bush would go in round 2.Didn't I just say this already (see above)? I agree 100%, but most people on this board don't want to live in reality.For me, the "Perfect Draft" scenario would be securing a top 3 spot, grabbing another top-15 RB in the 2nd round OR a top-3 WR, and then nabbing Bush in the 3rd round on the turn. But what I'm seeing a lot more of is someone grabbing a RB in the latter part of the 1st round, and then grabbing Bush in the turn in the early 2nd...and to me that really puts you behind the 8-ball as long as the elite RBs in the top 3 stay healthy.
When looking at somewhere around the 15th RB off the board and deciding between Bush or guys like K.Jones, J.Jones, C.Taylor, Droughns, D.Davis, W.Parker, J.Lewis, Dunn, M.Bell etc. I can see it being a difficult choice.How does your opinion change in a 12-team keeper PPR league? Is he a first rounder at that point, or is that still too early??I have a feeling in my draft that my options will be to choose Westbrook as my keeper from last year, or take a chance with a Bush instead.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Particularly if the format is a keeper/dynasty league. Bush may not be an immediate impact right now but having him locked up for years is pretty tempting....That's just unnecessary Bristol.I'm sorry to hear that you play with morons.Reality is that not all drafts run exactly the same. Someone high on Gates may take him in the first round. For example, in my draft I know my league drafts RB heavy and I also knew from talking to people Bush would go in round 2.Didn't I just say this already (see above)? I agree 100%, but most people on this board don't want to live in reality.For me, the "Perfect Draft" scenario would be securing a top 3 spot, grabbing another top-15 RB in the 2nd round OR a top-3 WR, and then nabbing Bush in the 3rd round on the turn. But what I'm seeing a lot more of is someone grabbing a RB in the latter part of the 1st round, and then grabbing Bush in the turn in the early 2nd...and to me that really puts you behind the 8-ball as long as the elite RBs in the top 3 stay healthy.
