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So I Guess We Are Back To Assassination Fantasies In The Artistic Community (1 Viewer)

BigSteelThrill said:
You are a snowflake. Nothing more.
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You lost the debate and everybody knows it, even Tobias. That play was about bipartisanship and getting stabbed in the back by a frenemy. 

This was just about stabbing.  Let's read the scripts, shall we?  Let's see Kathy Griffin's beheading...

 
rockaction said:
And Tobias, deep down, knows I'm right rather than clutching pearls.  
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Pretty sure I'm not the one clutching pearls here.  That's usually reserved for the person feigning outrage.  I don't care about either production. 

Again, same play, same character. It doesn't magically go from "assassination porn" to story of martyrdom just because some conservative rag (in yet another example of snowflaking) decides a black Brutus is a stand-in for a stereotyped black conservative or some such thing.

 
BigSteelThrill said:
That people really should NOT push such things. Even artists. Even worse of our POTUS. Its comes down to decency and how we treat our fellow citizens.

And when people push such hateful things, others should do what they can (not with violence, but social rebukes) to minimize them.
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Then I think you and I have common ground on this. 

 
BigSteelThrill said:
You got crushed in this thread. 

I wasnt even debating. Its a sh--it things for an artis(s) to do. They deserve to get called out for it.

But you?  You are embarrassing yourself.
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I'm not sure about this. Would you like to research the plays, compare them, and et back to me. Would you like to comment on Kathy Griffin? You can announce that there was a production of Ceaser back when Obama was president, but can you provide context? 

I can only roll emojis once you're done doing this.  

 
rockaction said:
I'm not sure about this. Would you like to research the plays, compare them, and et back to me. Would you like to comment on Kathy Griffin? You can announce that there was a production of Ceaser back when Obama was president, but can you provide context? 

I can only roll emojis once you're done doing this.  
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BigSteelThrill said:
 rockheadedaction  He is going to fight, parse and nitpick until the bitter end.
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:thanks:

 
I mean, how is it parsing to say that he got beheaded by an entertainer for twitter. 

Or how is it parsing to point out the difference between getting stabbed for bipartisanship or just getting stabbed. Seems pretty consistent

 
Uwe Blab said:
rockaction> BSThrill is now officially  :fishing: you. He gets off on that. It's what he does. Disengage.
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Thanks, Uwe. I don't disengage trolls until they haven't made their point, and I'm pretty sure I'm making mine even though he might come back with emojis. 

The differences in the intent are clear. One engages bipartisanship, the other engages glee. I'd bet a fair amount on the scripts bearing me out, and I'd bet Kathy Griffin meant to behead him. 

I'm not worried about losing to a fisherman. They always lose in the end.  

But thanks, man. 

Notice Tobias ain't been back.  

 
jon_mx said:
How does a project with this many people involved and the large amount of money it takes even get this far?   Are people so consumed with hate that they can't see how bad of an idea this is? 
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What a predictably vapid stance. Not to mention how tiresome your version of hate is. 

 
As some others have already noted, the funniest part of this- and there are many funny parts- is that this was literally a joke in The Naked Gun.

"I see five weirdos dressed in togas stabbing a guy in the middle of the park in full view of a hundred people, I shoot the bastards!"

 
Maybe it's a metaphor for the middle class being stabbed in the back year after year by politicians (all of them)?  :shrug:

 
rockaction said:
You lost the debate and everybody knows it, even Tobias. That play was about bipartisanship and getting stabbed in the back by a frenemy. 

This was just about stabbing.  Let's read the scripts, shall we?  Let's see Kathy Griffin's beheading...
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I love it when alleged adults have the debate skills of a poorly educated teenager.

"You lost and EVERYONE knows it"

"NO ONE LIKES YOU"

 
That guy looks around 40 tops, with relatively normal hair. Get a more realistic looking Trump and maybe I'll be interested.

 
I have always been fascinated by "Art".  So often self-defined by talentless folks.  So often unrecognized in its time, if at all.  Capable of moving and inspiring or outraging.  Julius Caesar is among my favorite plays.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
I have always been fascinated by "Art".  So often self-defined by talentless folks.  So often unrecognized in its time, if at all.  Capable of moving and inspiring or outraging.  Julius Caesar is among my favorite plays.
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Same here.  My feeling (and this could be totally wrong) is that it tends to get unfairly overshadowed by some of Shakespeare's other plays.  It's far better than Romeo and Juliet, and I have it in the same general bucket as Macbeth and Othello.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Same here.  My feeling (and this could be totally wrong) is that it tends to get unfairly overshadowed by some of Shakespeare's other plays.  It's far better than Romeo and Juliet, and I have it in the same general bucket as Macbeth and Othello.
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I go Macbeth, then a tier down Julius Caesar, King Lear, Midsummer's Night Dream, and Othello.  Taming of the Shrew, Romeo and Juliet, you can have those.

Naught's had, all's spent where our desire is got without content

Tis better to be that which we destroy, than by destruction to dwell in doubtful joy.

 
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IvanKaramazov said:
Same here.  My feeling (and this could be totally wrong) is that it tends to get unfairly overshadowed by some of Shakespeare's other plays.  It's far better than Romeo and Juliet, and I have it in the same general bucket as Macbeth and Othello.
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It's important to remember that Romeo and Juliet isn't really taught universally because it's considered one of Shakespeare's better plays.  It's taught because its considered relatable to teenagers.  Julius Caesar is largely taught because the language is less intimidating, but I agree that it holds up.  As a rule, I think lots of the histories hold up very well because they're dealing with some pretty enduring themes about the nature of power and leadership and a certain discomfort with "the mob". 

I have no doubt that the audience for the current production may view the assassination of a Trump figure with some satisfaction that maybe wasn't felt with an Obama figure.  But I'm not sure that's really on the people putting on the production.  I mean, Brutus is going to say the same things and have the same justifications.  You're supposed to find Brutus' justification at least somewhat sympathetic.  I do think making Caesar a Trump-like figure kind of ruins an aspect of the play, because Caesar has to be competent to make it work.  The conflict has to be whether any man, no matter how able, should have that much power and on the flip side, whether it is ever justified to depose who the fates/God has put into power.  Understanding that Shakespeare was a patron of an absolute monarch, its kind of amazing that he managed to make it seem like much of a conflict at all. 

 
rockaction said:
If they pushed the limits on Obama, can you imagine the media hysterics? 

I can.  
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Some redneck somewhere had Barak in a noose. The unphotoshoped picture is on the internet!

That's your standard liberal reaction to the Trump hate turned murder wishing. 

 
jon_mx said:
Yeah, I suppose advocating for murdering someone does not constitute hate in some weird alternative universe. 
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How can a production of Julius Casear advocate for murdering someone?  You get what happens to Brutus, right? 

Obviously none of us have seen either production, but in reading reviews of each production, each has cast Brutus as an ideological opponent of Caesar.  The review in the (conservative) journal posted makes it clear that the production present Brutus sympathetically.  The new production might no work, but it's hard to imagine it being "assassination porn."  When Caesar is assassinated, you still have over half a play to go!  The entire play is about the consequences of assassinating Caesar. 

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
It's important to remember that Romeo and Juliet isn't really taught universally because it's considered one of Shakespeare's better plays.  It's taught because its considered relatable to teenagers.  Julius Caesar is largely taught because the language is less intimidating, but I agree that it holds up.  As a rule, I think lots of the histories hold up very well because they're dealing with some pretty enduring themes about the nature of power and leadership and a certain discomfort with "the mob". 

I have no doubt that the audience for the current production may view the assassination of a Trump figure with some satisfaction that maybe wasn't felt with an Obama figure.  But I'm not sure that's really on the people putting on the production.  I mean, Brutus is going to say the same things and have the same justifications.  You're supposed to find Brutus' justification at least somewhat sympathetic.  I do think making Caesar a Trump-like figure kind of ruins an aspect of the play, because Caesar has to be competent to make it work.  The conflict has to be whether any man, no matter how able, should have that much power and on the flip side, whether it is ever justified to depose who the fates/God has put into power.  Understanding that Shakespeare was a patron of an absolute monarch, its kind of amazing that he managed to make it seem like much of a conflict at all. 
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Savage, but true.  If they really wanted to allude to Trump they could have done a play about Caligula

 
You know what would really get liberals upset?  If a popular streaming drama made it's obvious Richard III clone a Democrat and modeled that evil character's marriage with a similarly ambitious spouse on the Clintons.  Wait, liberals aren't upset about that at all.

 
jon_mx said:
Yeah, I suppose advocating for murdering someone does not constitute hate in some weird alternative universe. 
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I mean, it's a modern take on a 400 year old play. Do you feign outrage at all reboots or just the ones that suit your political narrative? I'm reasonably certain you're aware this isn't the first time this has been done. 

 
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