So many FFer's got no faith in McFadden ! :nono: (1 Viewer)

[The Moz]

Compare his stats to those of any other RB in college last season or even 2 years ago ! He ran against the SEC defenses in College football and routinely torched them.

LSU - 206 and 3 and another passing

Bama - 195 and 2

USC - 321 - 1

UK - 173 and 1

UT - 117

he had a few so so games but still put up better stats against better competition than any other back. I hear he is small and runs upright so theres an injury risk -- when has he been injured the last 2 seasons ?

Look maybe you all are right and it turns out McDaddy is a total cream puff and is just speed and thats it and ends up a lesser version of Bush. Just right now from what I have seen in College he is just as good if not better than Bush was in College and played against MUCH better defenses than Bush against the cream puff PAC 10 d's of those years.

Oakland Picked him early and Davis is love with him so you know he will be playing ALOT. They are going to give him the ball early and often though I do expect Fargas or MBush to get some carries especially at the stripe.

Is it too optimistic to look for a 220 - 1100 yard 50 rec 500 yd 9 TD season from this guy ?

 

[Chase Stuart]

5.0 YPC seems pretty optimistic to me.

 

[wadegarrett]

Compare his stats to those of any other RB in college last season or even 2 years ago ! He ran against the SEC defenses in College football and routinely torched them.LSU - 206 and 3 and another passingBama - 195 and 2USC - 321 - 1UK - 173 and 1UT - 117 he had a few so so games but still put up better stats against better competition than any other back. I hear he is small and runs upright so theres an injury risk -- when has he been injured the last 2 seasons ? Look maybe you all are right and it turns out McDaddy is a total cream puff and is just speed and thats it and ends up a lesser version of Bush. Just right now from what I have seen in College he is just as good if not better than Bush was in College and played against MUCH better defenses than Bush against the cream puff PAC 10 d's of those years. Oakland Picked him early and Davis is love with him so you know he will be playing ALOT. They are going to give him the ball early and often though I do expect Fargas or MBush to get some carries especially at the stripe. Is it too optimistic to look for a 220 - 1100 yard 50 rec 500 yd 9 TD season from this guy ?

so you're saying you like him?

 

[The Moz]

Compare his stats to those of any other RB in college last season or even 2 years ago ! He ran against the SEC defenses in College football and routinely torched them.LSU - 206 and 3 and another passingBama - 195 and 2USC - 321 - 1UK - 173 and 1UT - 117 he had a few so so games but still put up better stats against better competition than any other back. I hear he is small and runs upright so theres an injury risk -- when has he been injured the last 2 seasons ? Look maybe you all are right and it turns out McDaddy is a total cream puff and is just speed and thats it and ends up a lesser version of Bush. Just right now from what I have seen in College he is just as good if not better than Bush was in College and played against MUCH better defenses than Bush against the cream puff PAC 10 d's of those years. Oakland Picked him early and Davis is love with him so you know he will be playing ALOT. They are going to give him the ball early and often though I do expect Fargas or MBush to get some carries especially at the stripe. Is it too optimistic to look for a 220 - 1100 yard 50 rec 500 yd 9 TD season from this guy ?

so you're saying you like him?

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I wonder how many owners with the 1.1 took McFadden because they didn't have nads to take either Mendenhall or Stewart, but deep down really wanted to, but were afraid NOT to take McFadden?

 

[jwb]

I wonder how many owners with the 1.1 took McFadden because they didn't have nads to take either Mendenhall or Stewart, but deep down really wanted to, but were afraid NOT to take McFadden?

Fair point. But I wonder, along the same lines, how many people *don't* like McFadden without truly watching him play. For example, I see people say "he only runs through giant holes"... well, that tells me they never really watched a game of his, just youtube highlights, and are simply bandwagon jumpingBased on the games I watched over the last two years (4 or 5), he definitely looks legit. He looks fast, powerful, seems to be hard to tackle one on one, and looks just fine on those 3-5 yard runs that make up most of an NFL RB's living. There are others who actually watched the games that disagree, and I can't fault them for their opinion (I am admittedly an untrained eye.) But personally, I definitely liked what I saw, and did not hesitate to take him in the one league where I had the 1.1 rookie pick.

 

[switz]

I wonder how many owners with the 1.1 took McFadden because they didn't have nads to take either Mendenhall or Stewart, but deep down really wanted to, but were afraid NOT to take McFadden?

Fair point. But I wonder, along the same lines, how many people *don't* like McFadden without truly watching him play. For example, I see people say "he only runs through giant holes"... well, that tells me they never really watched a game of his, just youtube highlights, and are simply bandwagon jumpingBased on the games I watched over the last two years (4 or 5), he definitely looks legit. He looks fast, powerful, seems to be hard to tackle one on one, and looks just fine on those 3-5 yard runs that make up most of an NFL RB's living. There are others who actually watched the games that disagree, and I can't fault them for their opinion (I am admittedly an untrained eye.) But personally, I definitely liked what I saw, and did not hesitate to take him in the one league where I had the 1.1 rookie pick.

My only real knock on McFadden is that he often seems to seek out contact, instead of putting on a move. And in the NFL with his BMI, he's going to get hurt doing that. He also seems to have greater line speed than shiftiness. While it's good to be an N-S runner, I didn't see a lot of McFadden taking a cutback that opened up, it just just take it and go.That was really the main reason I preferred Felix to McFadden. Jones seems to have the best vision and cutback of all the RBs in this class. There are a few that are shiftier, but being shifty in the open field versus being shifty in traffic is what I'm referring to.McFadden will likely be good, but not great. I don't think he'll be a total bust.

 

[iSnitch]

I don't believe the Raiders O-line is quite as good as it appeared last year. I doubt it's as terrible as the Art Shell era but I'm a bit skeptical with any Raider, not just McFadden.

 

[Despyzer]

Compare his stats to those of any other RB in college last season or even 2 years ago ! He ran against the SEC defenses in College football and routinely torched them.LSU - 206 and 3 and another passingBama - 195 and 2USC - 321 - 1UK - 173 and 1UT - 117

What I want to know is how he did against football powerhouses like Troy, North Texas, Tennessee-Chattanooga, Florida International, Utah State, Southeast Missouri State, Louisiana-Monroe, and Missouri State. If he can run roughshod over competition like that, you just know he's got 1,600 or so NFL yards in him.

 

[switz]

Compare his stats to those of any other RB in college last season or even 2 years ago ! He ran against the SEC defenses in College football and routinely torched them.LSU - 206 and 3 and another passingBama - 195 and 2USC - 321 - 1UK - 173 and 1UT - 117

What I want to know is how he did against football powerhouses like Troy, North Texas, Tennessee-Chattanooga, Florida International, Utah State, Southeast Missouri State, Louisiana-Monroe, and Missouri State. If he can run roughshod over competition like that, you just know he's got 1,600 or so NFL yards in him.

 

[Riffraff]

Is it too optimistic to look for a 220 - 1100 yard 50 rec 500 yd 9 TD season from this guy ?

1600 total yards by a rookie is very optimistic. Automatic rookie of the year. He's not the only RB in town. The 220 carries could be right, but the average is pretty high.

 

[The Moz]

Compare his stats to those of any other RB in college last season or even 2 years ago ! He ran against the SEC defenses in College football and routinely torched them.LSU - 206 and 3 and another passingBama - 195 and 2USC - 321 - 1UK - 173 and 1UT - 117

What I want to know is how he did against football powerhouses like Troy, North Texas, Tennessee-Chattanooga, Florida International, Utah State, Southeast Missouri State, Louisiana-Monroe, and Missouri State. If he can run roughshod over competition like that, you just know he's got 1,600 or so NFL yards in him.

then Kevin Smit is your man !

 

[cstu]

I wonder how many owners with the 1.1 took McFadden because they didn't have nads to take either Mendenhall or Stewart, but deep down really wanted to, but were afraid NOT to take McFadden?

Sorry Hoss, I believe he's the best back in the draft.

 

[The Moz]

I wonder how many owners with the 1.1 took McFadden because they didn't have nads to take either Mendenhall or Stewart, but deep down really wanted to, but were afraid NOT to take McFadden?

Sorry Hoss, I believe he's the best back in the draft.

Has McFadden been injured alot ? Just asking as I don't know becasue he hasn't been the l;ast 2 years ... that seems to be a concern with his running style.

 

[VonRomig]

Due to pre-season draft pick trades I ended up with the top 4 picks in this year's draft. I didn't draft McFad.

I don't follow college football, so I have to go on what I hear or read. This is what I learned...

He is a Raider (Al Davis drafted him)

Can't break the arm tackles of college kids.

Yardage accumulation was in spread offense against college kids, who most are not even in football now.

Skinny WR legs with no power.

Tries to hard to bounce runs to the outside.

Can't run up the middle.

As a Raider he is on a team with a big ? at QB who has no WRs... 8+ in the box.

Oh, I heard he runs fast.

And finally, it is just too much of a coincidence that his name, McFad, would be too prefect to use in the future as a synonym for, "The next great over-hyped rookie player."

Von

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Due to pre-season draft pick trades I ended up with the top 4 picks in this year's draft. I didn't draft McFad.I don't follow college football, so I have to go on what I hear or read. This is what I learned...He is a Raider (Al Davis drafted him)Can't break the arm tackles of college kids.Yardage accumulation was in spread offense against college kids, who most are not even in football now.Skinny WR legs with no power.Tries to hard to bounce runs to the outside.Can't run up the middle.As a Raider he is on a team with a big ? at QB who has no WRs... 8+ in the box.Oh, I heard he runs fast.And finally, it is just too much of a coincidence that his name, McFad, would be too prefect to use in the future as a synonym for, "The next great over-hyped rookie player."Von

Just look at how well Reggie Bush has done. I am not a fan of the "turn the corner" backs in the NFL. If you cant run between the tackles you will not fair to well in todays NFL, there is just too much speed on todays defense for a these types of RB's to be very successful IMO.

 

[Wildman]

Compare his stats to those of any other RB in college last season or even 2 years ago ! He ran against the SEC defenses in College football and routinely torched them.LSU - 206 and 3 and another passingBama - 195 and 2USC - 321 - 1UK - 173 and 1UT - 117 he had a few so so games but still put up better stats against better competition than any other back. I hear he is small and runs upright so theres an injury risk -- when has he been injured the last 2 seasons ? Look maybe you all are right and it turns out McDaddy is a total cream puff and is just speed and thats it and ends up a lesser version of Bush. Just right now from what I have seen in College he is just as good if not better than Bush was in College and played against MUCH better defenses than Bush against the cream puff PAC 10 d's of those years. Oakland Picked him early and Davis is love with him so you know he will be playing ALOT. They are going to give him the ball early and often though I do expect Fargas or MBush to get some carries especially at the stripe. Is it too optimistic to look for a 220 - 1100 yard 50 rec 500 yd 9 TD season from this guy ?

Yes, too optimistic. The stats are wonderful. I watched most of those games. Credit his speed, Felix Jones, and a great offensive game plan. SEC defenses are good...for COLLEGE FOOTBALL. Put an SEC defense against a CFL offense and the CFL will dominate them.McFadden will have some big plays. He'll get people excited when he has a highlight reel run. He's a tough kid, but he's not nearly as physical as people make him out to be. He doesn't run with the vision or power or lateral movement that people (I think) mysteriously attribute to him. Unless speed really is that overwhelming factor that erases a host of ills in a player's game, he's not that good. If he gets 220 carries, look for about 850 yards-tops, 4-6 TDs and about 25 receptions (AT BEST) for 175-200 yards....I think that's optimistic. I know many think that's really low. It will be fun to find out year one.

 

[Wildman]

I wonder how many owners with the 1.1 took McFadden because they didn't have nads to take either Mendenhall or Stewart, but deep down really wanted to, but were afraid NOT to take McFadden?

Sorry Hoss, I believe he's the best back in the draft.

Has McFadden been injured alot ? Just asking as I don't know becasue he hasn't been the l;ast 2 years ... that seems to be a concern with his running style.

Bruised ribs...that's the only real on-field injury he suffered. I don't think it's what concerns me about his style. It's that he gets knocked backwards, pulled down with one hand by his shoulder pads, and can't knock a flat-footed LB down with a 3-yard running start because he doesn't run with good leverage between the tackles on a consistent basis. In fact most of the time he doesn't. Some people fall in love with his stiff arm and those highlight reels of him with 7-10 yard running starts bullying a safety or undersized LB (who would be a slow safety in the NFL if they even made it there). I just think that's a bit foolish.

 

[Jason Wood]

I wonder how many owners with the 1.1 took McFadden because they didn't have nads to take either Mendenhall or Stewart, but deep down really wanted to, but were afraid NOT to take McFadden?

I took Stewart and didn't bat an eye.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I wonder how many owners with the 1.1 took McFadden because they didn't have nads to take either Mendenhall or Stewart, but deep down really wanted to, but were afraid NOT to take McFadden?

I took Stewart and didn't bat an eye.

exception rather than the rule

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Keep bashing fellas.

:holdingthethirdpickindynastydraft:

 

[switz]

Due to pre-season draft pick trades I ended up with the top 4 picks in this year's draft. I didn't draft McFad.I don't follow college football, so I have to go on what I hear or read. This is what I learned...He is a Raider (Al Davis drafted him)Can't break the arm tackles of college kids.Yardage accumulation was in spread offense against college kids, who most are not even in football now.Skinny WR legs with no power.Tries to hard to bounce runs to the outside.Can't run up the middle.As a Raider he is on a team with a big ? at QB who has no WRs... 8+ in the box.Oh, I heard he runs fast.And finally, it is just too much of a coincidence that his name, McFad, would be too prefect to use in the future as a synonym for, "The next great over-hyped rookie player."Von

Just look at how well Reggie Bush has done. I am not a fan of the "turn the corner" backs in the NFL. If you cant run between the tackles you will not fair to well in todays NFL, there is just too much speed on todays defense for a these types of RB's to be very successful IMO.

I'm not a huge fan of McFadden, but I hate misinformation. McFadden can run between the tackles. He's not Reggie Bush who only ran outside.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Just look at how well Reggie Bush has done. I am not a fan of the "turn the corner" backs in the NFL. If you cant run between the tackles you will not fair to well in todays NFL, there is just too much speed on todays defense for a these types of RB's to be very successful IMO.

I would argue strongly that Adrian Peterson is much more of a "turn the corner" type back than he is a between the tackles runner.

 

[switz]

Put an SEC defense against a CFL offense and the CFL will dominate them.

But that can be said about ANY college defense. Reality is that SEC defenses are among the better defenses in the NCAA.

He doesn't run with the vision or power or lateral movement that people (I think) mysteriously attribute to him.

I agree with that, but I don't think he is the other extreme either.

 

[sholditch]

I wonder how many owners with the 1.1 took McFadden because they didn't have nads to take either Mendenhall or Stewart, but deep down really wanted to, but were afraid NOT to take McFadden?

Fair point. But I wonder, along the same lines, how many people *don't* like McFadden without truly watching him play. For example, I see people say "he only runs through giant holes"... well, that tells me they never really watched a game of his, just youtube highlights, and are simply bandwagon jumpingBased on the games I watched over the last two years (4 or 5), he definitely looks legit. He looks fast, powerful, seems to be hard to tackle one on one, and looks just fine on those 3-5 yard runs that make up most of an NFL RB's living. There are others who actually watched the games that disagree, and I can't fault them for their opinion (I am admittedly an untrained eye.) But personally, I definitely liked what I saw, and did not hesitate to take him in the one league where I had the 1.1 rookie pick.

I have watched just about every college game of his and I agree 100% with what you said. I think the majority of people who are down on him are just parrotting what other people have said. Anyone who watched him play in college knows he is a beast.

 

[Jason Wood]

I wonder how many owners with the 1.1 took McFadden because they didn't have nads to take either Mendenhall or Stewart, but deep down really wanted to, but were afraid NOT to take McFadden?

Fair point. But I wonder, along the same lines, how many people *don't* like McFadden without truly watching him play. For example, I see people say "he only runs through giant holes"... well, that tells me they never really watched a game of his, just youtube highlights, and are simply bandwagon jumpingBased on the games I watched over the last two years (4 or 5), he definitely looks legit. He looks fast, powerful, seems to be hard to tackle one on one, and looks just fine on those 3-5 yard runs that make up most of an NFL RB's living. There are others who actually watched the games that disagree, and I can't fault them for their opinion (I am admittedly an untrained eye.) But personally, I definitely liked what I saw, and did not hesitate to take him in the one league where I had the 1.1 rookie pick.

I have watched just about every college game of his and I agree 100% with what you said. I think the majority of people who are down on him are just parrotting what other people have said. Anyone who watched him play in college knows he is a beast.

Preferring one or two others backs from the same draft class is hardly the same as writing him off. Let's try not to confuse the issue. I simply prefer Stewart to McFadden; but never once have said McFadden will be a bust or not worthy of a high dynasty spot.

 

[The Moz]

Compare his stats to those of any other RB in college last season or even 2 years ago ! He ran against the SEC defenses in College football and routinely torched them.LSU - 206 and 3 and another passingBama - 195 and 2USC - 321 - 1UK - 173 and 1UT - 117 he had a few so so games but still put up better stats against better competition than any other back. I hear he is small and runs upright so theres an injury risk -- when has he been injured the last 2 seasons ? Look maybe you all are right and it turns out McDaddy is a total cream puff and is just speed and thats it and ends up a lesser version of Bush. Just right now from what I have seen in College he is just as good if not better than Bush was in College and played against MUCH better defenses than Bush against the cream puff PAC 10 d's of those years. Oakland Picked him early and Davis is love with him so you know he will be playing ALOT. They are going to give him the ball early and often though I do expect Fargas or MBush to get some carries especially at the stripe. Is it too optimistic to look for a 220 - 1100 yard 50 rec 500 yd 9 TD season from this guy ?

Yes, too optimistic. The stats are wonderful. I watched most of those games. Credit his speed, Felix Jones, and a great offensive game plan. SEC defenses are good...for COLLEGE FOOTBALL. Put an SEC defense against a CFL offense and the CFL will dominate them.McFadden will have some big plays. He'll get people excited when he has a highlight reel run. He's a tough kid, but he's not nearly as physical as people make him out to be. He doesn't run with the vision or power or lateral movement that people (I think) mysteriously attribute to him. Unless speed really is that overwhelming factor that erases a host of ills in a player's game, he's not that good. If he gets 220 carries, look for about 850 yards-tops, 4-6 TDs and about 25 receptions (AT BEST) for 175-200 yards....I think that's optimistic. I know many think that's really low. It will be fun to find out year one.

Matt I always value your thoughts I just think either you really didn't watch anyhting other than his highlight reel or a few selected plays , or you are seeing soemthing I am not I guess. I watch alot of SEC games and saw him play 6 times this past season. The only time I really saw him have a bad game was against Wisconsin in the bowl gamew years ago. I thought he really worked on his streghth in the offseason and was alot stronger this year. As far as a turn the corner back -- same coulda been said and actually of LT2 when he came out ( he was nothing but a pitch out back ) , could argue the same with peterson in college. There were holes and he took advanatage of his speed ... doesn't mean he can't make cut backs though. Alos I saw him run well between the tackles last season and actually do well after contact. Granted he isn't has punishing as other backs but I think he will add 10 lbs sooner than later to his 6'1 210 frame and be better suited for that style.

 

[sholditch]

I wonder how many owners with the 1.1 took McFadden because they didn't have nads to take either Mendenhall or Stewart, but deep down really wanted to, but were afraid NOT to take McFadden?

Fair point. But I wonder, along the same lines, how many people *don't* like McFadden without truly watching him play. For example, I see people say "he only runs through giant holes"... well, that tells me they never really watched a game of his, just youtube highlights, and are simply bandwagon jumpingBased on the games I watched over the last two years (4 or 5), he definitely looks legit. He looks fast, powerful, seems to be hard to tackle one on one, and looks just fine on those 3-5 yard runs that make up most of an NFL RB's living. There are others who actually watched the games that disagree, and I can't fault them for their opinion (I am admittedly an untrained eye.) But personally, I definitely liked what I saw, and did not hesitate to take him in the one league where I had the 1.1 rookie pick.

I have watched just about every college game of his and I agree 100% with what you said. I think the majority of people who are down on him are just parrotting what other people have said. Anyone who watched him play in college knows he is a beast.

Preferring one or two others backs from the same draft class is hardly the same as writing him off. Let's try not to confuse the issue. I simply prefer Stewart to McFadden; but never once have said McFadden will be a bust or not worthy of a high dynasty spot.

I have heard people on this board go as far as to say that Fargas is a more complete back and that McFadden won't start all year. I've heard plenty of people say that he will be a complete bust and never make it in the NFL. People are pretty down on him.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Just look at how well Reggie Bush has done. I am not a fan of the "turn the corner" backs in the NFL. If you cant run between the tackles you will not fair to well in todays NFL, there is just too much speed on todays defense for a these types of RB's to be very successful IMO.

I would argue strongly that Adrian Peterson is much more of a "turn the corner" type back than he is a between the tackles runner.

Gotta disagree there. He was an absolute monster between the tackles. He showed an incredible amount of speed and cutback ability through the hole. Check out the runs on his record setting day. He has the speed to turn the corner but if you watch a great deal of his runs to the outside he cuts them back and gashes up the middle. Chargers dismantling

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Just look at how well Reggie Bush has done. I am not a fan of the "turn the corner" backs in the NFL. If you cant run between the tackles you will not fair to well in todays NFL, there is just too much speed on todays defense for a these types of RB's to be very successful IMO.

I would argue strongly that Adrian Peterson is much more of a "turn the corner" type back than he is a between the tackles runner.

Gotta disagree there. He was an absolute monster between the tackles. He showed an incredible amount of speed and cutback ability through the hole. Check out the runs on his record setting day. He has the speed to turn the corner but if you watch a great deal of his runs to the outside he cuts them back and gashes up the middle. Chargers dismantling

He's a monster between the tackles because the Vikings are monstrous between the tackles.I'm not saying he's not great hitting the hole. I'm saying he's even better outrunning guys to the corner.

And I say that to get to the point of McFadden not being able to outrun guys in the pros. I believe that's not true.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Just look at how well Reggie Bush has done. I am not a fan of the "turn the corner" backs in the NFL. If you cant run between the tackles you will not fair to well in todays NFL, there is just too much speed on todays defense for a these types of RB's to be very successful IMO.

I would argue strongly that Adrian Peterson is much more of a "turn the corner" type back than he is a between the tackles runner.

Gotta disagree there. He was an absolute monster between the tackles. He showed an incredible amount of speed and cutback ability through the hole. Check out the runs on his record setting day. He has the speed to turn the corner but if you watch a great deal of his runs to the outside he cuts them back and gashes up the middle. Chargers dismantling

He's a monster between the tackles because the Vikings are monstrous between the tackles.I'm not saying he's not great hitting the hole. I'm saying he's even better outrunning guys to the corner.

And I say that to get to the point of McFadden not being able to outrun guys in the pros. I believe that's not true.

Thats what allows ADP to come close to turning corners. I do not think the Raiders have a line in the same league as the Vikings and I would be very surprised if McFadden posts any sort of numbers even close to ADP.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Just look at how well Reggie Bush has done. I am not a fan of the "turn the corner" backs in the NFL. If you cant run between the tackles you will not fair to well in todays NFL, there is just too much speed on todays defense for a these types of RB's to be very successful IMO.

I would argue strongly that Adrian Peterson is much more of a "turn the corner" type back than he is a between the tackles runner.

Gotta disagree there. He was an absolute monster between the tackles. He showed an incredible amount of speed and cutback ability through the hole. Check out the runs on his record setting day. He has the speed to turn the corner but if you watch a great deal of his runs to the outside he cuts them back and gashes up the middle. Chargers dismantling

He's a monster between the tackles because the Vikings are monstrous between the tackles.I'm not saying he's not great hitting the hole. I'm saying he's even better outrunning guys to the corner.

And I say that to get to the point of McFadden not being able to outrun guys in the pros. I believe that's not true.

Thats what allows ADP to come close to turning corners. I do not think the Raiders have a line in the same league as the Vikings and I would be very surprised if McFadden posts any sort of numbers even close to ADP.

So would I, at least for the short term. Just to be clear about what I'm saying - I expect McFadden to have a very successful pro career even if he doesn't have a monster rookie campaign.

To expect AP numbers from ANY rookie in ANY year is pretty unreasonable, IMO.

 

[rufan]

The SEC defenses are not as special as people want to believe. For example, in 2007 McFadden only faced one team (LSU) that was in the top 20 for RUSH DEFENSE. Overall, the average RUSH DEFENSE he faced was number 70. Not so spectacular. Here is the breakdown for the SEC teams Arkansas faced in 2007:

LSU - 12

Alabama - 28

Auburn - 29

Miss St - 58

Tenn - 69

Kentucky - 94

Miss - 101

South Carolina - 110

Now for comparison sake, lets take Ray Rice from the Big East. He faced 2 teams (West Virgina, Cincinnati) in the top 20 for RUSH DEFENSE. Overall, the average RUSH DEFENSE he faced was number 65. Again not spectacular. Here is the breakdown of the Big East teams Rutgers faced in 2007:

West Virginia - 18

Cincinnati - 19

Pittsburgh - 33

South Florida - 34

Connecticut - 62

Louisville - 72

Syracuse - 108

And now compare the numbers:

McFadden 1830 yards 16 TD (140 yards/game)

Rice 2012 yards 24 TD (154 yards/game)

Essentially what I'm pointing out is that the SEC defenses are NOT elite and are no better than the other BCS conferences.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

As I said, I would be surprised if McFadden comes even close to ADP's numbers. I think he will have a very average season fantasy wise and if you are in a league that is heavy on TD's there are a few other backs that I would rather have then him.

 

[sholditch]

The SEC defenses are not as special as people want to believe. For example, in 2007 McFadden only faced one team (LSU) that was in the top 20 for RUSH DEFENSE. Overall, the average RUSH DEFENSE he faced was number 70. Not so spectacular. Here is the breakdown for the SEC teams Arkansas faced in 2007:

LSU - 12

Alabama - 28

Auburn - 29

Miss St - 58

Tenn - 69

Kentucky - 94

Miss - 101

South Carolina - 110

Now for comparison sake, lets take Ray Rice from the Big East. He faced 2 teams (West Virgina, Cincinnati) in the top 20 for RUSH DEFENSE. Overall, the average RUSH DEFENSE he faced was number 65. Again not spectacular. Here is the breakdown of the Big East teams Rutgers faced in 2007:

West Virginia - 18

Cincinnati - 19

Pittsburgh - 33

South Florida - 34

Connecticut - 62

Louisville - 72

Syracuse - 108

And now compare the numbers:

McFadden 1830 yards 16 TD (140 yards/game)

Rice 2012 yards 24 TD (154 yards/game)

Essentially what I'm pointing out is that the SEC defenses are NOT elite and are no better than the other BCS conferences.

Ever think of factoring in that teams that play in traditionally weak conferences, if they are any good at all, generally rack up great stats on both sides of the ball, whereas teams that play in stronger conferences have more trouble stopping opponents? I'm sorry, but your statement is the ultimate triumph of stats over common sense.

 

[switz]

The SEC defenses are not as special as people want to believe. For example, in 2007 McFadden only faced one team (LSU) that was in the top 20 for RUSH DEFENSE. Overall, the average RUSH DEFENSE he faced was number 70. Not so spectacular. Here is the breakdown for the SEC teams Arkansas faced in 2007:LSU - 12Alabama - 28Auburn - 29Miss St - 58Tenn - 69Kentucky - 94Miss - 101South Carolina - 110Now for comparison sake, lets take Ray Rice from the Big East. He faced 2 teams (West Virgina, Cincinnati) in the top 20 for RUSH DEFENSE. Overall, the average RUSH DEFENSE he faced was number 65. Again not spectacular. Here is the breakdown of the Big East teams Rutgers faced in 2007:West Virginia - 18Cincinnati - 19Pittsburgh - 33South Florida - 34Connecticut - 62Louisville - 72Syracuse - 108And now compare the numbers: McFadden 1830 yards 16 TD (140 yards/game)Rice 2012 yards 24 TD (154 yards/game)Essentially what I'm pointing out is that the SEC defenses are NOT elite and are no better than the other BCS conferences.

Problem is that those defensive rankings are also affected by the offenses they face. SEC defenses face SEC offenses, BigEast defenses face BigEast offenses. How many BigEast offensive skill players were picked in the first round, versus the number of SEC players? Exactly.

 

[switz]

Essentially what I'm pointing out is that the SEC defenses are NOT elite and are no better than the other BCS conferences.

Ever think of factoring in that teams that play in traditionally weak conferences, if they are any good at all, generally rack up great stats on both sides of the ball, whereas teams that play in stronger conferences have more trouble stopping opponents? I'm sorry, but your statement is the ultimate triumph of stats over common sense.

 

[rufan]

Ever think of factoring in that teams that play in traditionally weak conferences, if they are any good at all, generally rack up great stats on both sides of the ball, whereas teams that play in stronger conferences have more trouble stopping opponents? I'm sorry, but your statement is the ultimate triumph of stats over common sense.

How could they rack up great stats on both sides of the ball? If the offenses are putting up great numbers, then the defenses are not. Try to spin it any way you want. The SEC is the best conference in college football, but the defenses are not the reason.

 

[switz]

Ever think of factoring in that teams that play in traditionally weak conferences, if they are any good at all, generally rack up great stats on both sides of the ball, whereas teams that play in stronger conferences have more trouble stopping opponents? I'm sorry, but your statement is the ultimate triumph of stats over common sense.

How could they rack up great stats on both sides of the ball? If the offenses are putting up great numbers, then the defenses are not. Try to spin it any way you want. The SEC is the best conference in college football, but the defenses are not the reason.

No, the defenses don't look as good statistically because the SEC is the best conference in college football.

 

[sholditch]

Ever think of factoring in that teams that play in traditionally weak conferences, if they are any good at all, generally rack up great stats on both sides of the ball, whereas teams that play in stronger conferences have more trouble stopping opponents? I'm sorry, but your statement is the ultimate triumph of stats over common sense.

How could they rack up great stats on both sides of the ball? If the offenses are putting up great numbers, then the defenses are not. Try to spin it any way you want. The SEC is the best conference in college football, but the defenses are not the reason.

No, the defenses don't look as good statistically because the SEC is the best conference in college football.

Thanks Switz, I didn't realize this was a hard concept to grasp. If it helps, think of it as the "USC rule"

 

[rzrback77]

Due to pre-season draft pick trades I ended up with the top 4 picks in this year's draft. I didn't draft McFad.

I don't follow college football, so I have to go on what I hear or read. This is what I learned...

He is a Raider (Al Davis drafted him)

Can't break the arm tackles of college kids.

Yardage accumulation was in spread offense against college kids, who most are not even in football now.

Skinny WR legs with no power.

Tries to hard to bounce runs to the outside.

Can't run up the middle.

As a Raider he is on a team with a big ? at QB who has no WRs... 8+ in the box.

Oh, I heard he runs fast.

And finally, it is just too much of a coincidence that his name, McFad, would be too prefect to use in the future as a synonym for, "The next great over-hyped rookie player."

Von

WOW, why wouldn't you take him in the top four if just to trade. I am curious as to the four that you drafted.

 

[rufan]

Problem is that those defensive rankings are also affected by the offenses they face. SEC defenses face SEC offenses, BigEast defenses face BigEast offenses. How many BigEast offensive skill players were picked in the first round, versus the number of SEC players? Exactly.

The number of skill players drafted in the first round means nothing. How is that an argument? There are 12 teams in the SEC and only 8 in the Big East.The SEC offenses are not extraordinary either. Look at the TOTAL OFFENSE standings. The reason the SEC is the best conference is because of the depth (thats the explanation for the high number of draft picks). But when put into context, not all SEC teams play each other, so Arkansas didn't have to play Georgia or Florida.I'm not trying to take anything away from McFadden. All I'm saying is that the competition that McFadden played last year was NOT drastically better than everyone else, just because he played in the SEC.Now do you guys have an argument other than "the SEC is best"?

 

[switz]

The reason the SEC is the best conference is because of the depth (thats the explanation for the high number of draft picks).

Right...

 

[rufan]

No, the defenses don't look as good statistically because the SEC is the best conference in college football.

Ok, because you say so. I already agreed that it is the best conference in college football, but that is because of its depth. But that does not mean that Arkansas' schedule was so much more difficult than the others.

 

[rzrback77]

Problem is that those defensive rankings are also affected by the offenses they face. SEC defenses face SEC offenses, BigEast defenses face BigEast offenses. How many BigEast offensive skill players were picked in the first round, versus the number of SEC players? Exactly.

The number of skill players drafted in the first round means nothing. How is that an argument? There are 12 teams in the SEC and only 8 in the Big East.The SEC offenses are not extraordinary either. Look at the TOTAL OFFENSE standings. The reason the SEC is the best conference is because of the depth (thats the explanation for the high number of draft picks). But when put into context, not all SEC teams play each other, so Arkansas didn't have to play Georgia or Florida.I'm not trying to take anything away from McFadden. All I'm saying is that the competition that McFadden played last year was NOT drastically better than everyone else, just because he played in the SEC.Now do you guys have an argument other than "the SEC is best"?

One less conference game is a big advantage. Each and every week in the SEC is an all out battle and having eight conference games with nine for the two division champs is tougher to get through than the seven that the big east plays. The teams play all teams in their division each year (five games) plus two of the other division teams which are rotated.

 

[rufan]

Thanks Switz, I didn't realize this was a hard concept to grasp. If it helps, think of it as the "USC rule"

Not following you on the "USC rule", since we are discussing the SEC.

 

[The Moz]

Problem is that those defensive rankings are also affected by the offenses they face. SEC defenses face SEC offenses, BigEast defenses face BigEast offenses. How many BigEast offensive skill players were picked in the first round, versus the number of SEC players? Exactly.

There are 12 teams in the SEC and only 8 in the Big East.

oops I was thinking of basketball carry on

 

[Brasco]

Due to pre-season draft pick trades I ended up with the top 4 picks in this year's draft. I didn't draft McFad.

I don't follow college football, so I have to go on what I hear or read. This is what I learned...

He is a Raider (Al Davis drafted him)

Can't break the arm tackles of college kids.

Yardage accumulation was in spread offense against college kids, who most are not even in football now.Skinny WR legs with no power.

Tries to hard to bounce runs to the outside.

Can't run up the middle.

As a Raider he is on a team with a big ? at QB who has no WRs... 8+ in the box.

Oh, I heard he runs fast.

And finally, it is just too much of a coincidence that his name, McFad, would be too prefect to use in the future as a synonym for, "The next great over-hyped rookie player."

Von

Didn't Peterson run in a spread offense at OU? I recall him taking a lot of handoffs from the shotgun...

 

[rzrback77]

No, the defenses don't look as good statistically because the SEC is the best conference in college football.

Ok, because you say so. I already agreed that it is the best conference in college football, but that is because of its depth. But that does not mean that Arkansas' schedule was so much more difficult than the others.

Last year the Hogs played seven bowl teams and five teams ranked in the top 25, including the national champion LSU in Baton Rouge. Not our most difficult schedule, but definitely challenging.

 

[switz]

No, the defenses don't look as good statistically because the SEC is the best conference in college football.

Ok, because you say so. I already agreed that it is the best conference in college football, but that is because of its depth. But that does not mean that Arkansas' schedule was so much more difficult than the others.

It's not worth going back and forth on this. But lets just say that you don't really understand how rankings work if you are trying to use that as an argument against SEC offensive players.