So we haven't done this in a while (1 Viewer)

[Gr00vus]

Moderate

I used to love politics; I was very into it.

This board ruined it to me. About 9 or 10 guys on both sides of the coin who literally make me want to punch myself in the face because they can't think rationally about an issue and create their own unbiased "take" or stance. Instead they define themselves as either a Conservative or Liberal and back into a rationalization that matches the way they categorize themselves from there. I have no interest in debating with nudnicks like that, and we have lots of them.

This should be the 5th option in question one of the poll.

 

[dgreen]

I identified myself as a moderate . I'm really not but it's the closest.

I thought you considered yourself libertarian.

back when it's primary concerns were free trade, pro-choice, and open immigration. Back when the people who called themselves libertarian studied Ludwig Von Mises, FE Hayek, and Milton Friedman. Today's libertarians are nothing more than conservatives who don't want to call themselves conservatives. They are obsessed with gun rights and the right to drink whatever cup size they want. They believe in conspiracies and tend to be isolationist. And most are anti-immigrant, which I regard as the opposite of traditional libertarian thinking. Nope it's no longer for me.

For anybody that voted Libertarian,does this fit your profile?

A better question to ask is how many of those who call themselves libertarian actually vote Libertarian?

Libertarians vote?

 

[MaxThreshold]

I think we have to take at least 20% of so-called "moderates" and "libertarians" and add them evenly to each side. Seriously, guys like KookAndrews will claim he's a moderate (or even Libertarian) when in reality he's hard left.

 

[Todd Andrews]

I think we have to take at least 20% of so-called "moderates" and "libertarians" and add them evenly to each side. Seriously, guys like KookAndrews will claim he's a moderate (or even Libertarian) when in reality he's hard left.

Ive never claimed to be a moderate. I am mostly anti-KooK, which puts me squarely against you and your silly political ilk.

 

[Slapdash]

I identified myself as a moderate . I'm really not but it's the closest.

Nobody wants you anyways.

 

[belljr]

Where is the i have no idea option

 

[gianmarco]

I hate politics and I have no idea what I am either.

 

[MaxThreshold]

I think we have to take at least 20% of so-called "moderates" and "libertarians" and add them evenly to each side. Seriously, guys like KookAndrews will claim he's a moderate (or even Libertarian) when in reality he's hard left.

Ive never claimed to be a moderate. I am mostly anti-KooK, which puts me squarely against you and your silly political ilk.

I don't think you realize that everyone thinks YOU are the Kook.

 

[mcintyre1]

I think we have to take at least 20% of so-called "moderates" and "libertarians" and add them evenly to each side. Seriously, guys like KookAndrews will claim he's a moderate (or even Libertarian) when in reality he's hard left.

Ive never claimed to be a moderate. I am mostly anti-KooK, which puts me squarely against you and your silly political ilk.

I don't think you realize that everyone thinks YOU are the Kook.

Yeah... not everyone.

 

[NCCommish]

I think we have to take at least 20% of so-called "moderates" and "libertarians" and add them evenly to each side. Seriously, guys like KookAndrews will claim he's a moderate (or even Libertarian) when in reality he's hard left.

Ive never claimed to be a moderate. I am mostly anti-KooK, which puts me squarely against you and your silly political ilk.

I don't think you realize that everyone thinks YOU are the Kook.

His style can be abrasive at times but I don't think he's a kook. And really the people he points out tend to be kind of kooks.

 

[rockaction]

I would call myself a classical liberal and/or a libertarian/conservative fusionist. I think the other thread was funny with respect to the terms "liberal" and "progressive." It seems to me that classical liberalism was a term that was sort of usurped by statist liberals before it became a pejorative term. But enough. I voted libertarian for a number of reasons -- I have a left-libertarian streak, especially about corporate status and programs for the indigent -- and I also voted that I sometimes post in threads that interest me. Sometimes when somebody goes out of their way to be political in a non-political thread, I'll go there with them just to call it out.

I've probably posted in less than an eighth or so of the explicitly political threads, but for the most part, my opinions are strong ones, so I'm probably easily identifiable.

 

[MaxThreshold]

I think we have to take at least 20% of so-called "moderates" and "libertarians" and add them evenly to each side. Seriously, guys like KookAndrews will claim he's a moderate (or even Libertarian) when in reality he's hard left.

Ive never claimed to be a moderate. I am mostly anti-KooK, which puts me squarely against you and your silly political ilk.

I don't think you realize that everyone thinks YOU are the Kook.

Yeah... not everyone.

Well, OF COURSE you're going to agree with him. You're almost as hard left as he is.

 

[MaxThreshold]

I think we have to take at least 20% of so-called "moderates" and "libertarians" and add them evenly to each side. Seriously, guys like KookAndrews will claim he's a moderate (or even Libertarian) when in reality he's hard left.

Ive never claimed to be a moderate. I am mostly anti-KooK, which puts me squarely against you and your silly political ilk.

I don't think you realize that everyone thinks YOU are the Kook.

His style can be abrasive at times but I don't think he's a kook. And really the people he points out tend to be kind of kooks.

See this post.

 

[timschochet]

I identified myself as a moderate . I'm really not but it's the closest.

Nobody wants you anyways.

You're such a sweetheart.

 

[jon_mx]

I identified myself as a moderate . I'm really not but it's the closest.

Nobody wants you anyways.

You're such a sweetheart.

Anyone who nods their head at 90 percent of what MSNBC says and is disgusted by 90 percent of what FoxNews says is in the Liberal/progressive camp. Moderate (like 'lLibertarian' before) is far off from where you are as you usually map out extreme positions on most issues, usually on the side of Big Government solutions to all problems.

 

[Boston]

My basic political philosophy right know is the Republicans are inept but the Democrats are dangerous...

 

[tom22406]

244 votes now and only 44 claim to be conservative yet 68 are on board being a Liberal and 67 as a Moderate.Libertarians take over the 3rd spot leaving the GOP in dead last.

Does seem like a shift has been going on here over the years.

Even better result is only 28 who said yes to posting in political threads while 110 said no thanks.No real shock in that if you've ever opened one before,nothing short of a in almost every thread.A few become productive for sure but most just turn into a pissing contest.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

244 votes now and only 44 claim to be conservative yet 68 are on board being a Liberal and 67 as a Moderate.Libertarians take over the 3rd spot leaving the GOP in dead last.

Does seem like a shift has been going on here over the years.

Even better result is only 28 who said yes to posting in political threads while 110 said no thanks.No real shock in that if you've ever opened one before,nothing short of a in almost every thread.A few become productive for sure but most just turn into a pissing contest.

I think too many people are associating a political philosophy with the party that has captured the idea that they represent that theory (GOP is conservative). And since the current state of the GOP is an unmitigated diaster it is clouding the thoughts and the process.

Your last comment is on point though. Most of them these days turn into a flustercuck rather quickly. We used to have really long fairly good policy and politics threads but more often than not now it's more vitriol and less ideas. Still, there are good ones - like this one. So I don't post nearly as much as I used to in political threads (it's very possible that I am one of the guys a previous poster said he is tired of from past threads) because starting every conversation with Obama Sucks or Bush did it really just doesn't do it for me.

 

[NCCommish]

I think we have to take at least 20% of so-called "moderates" and "libertarians" and add them evenly to each side. Seriously, guys like KookAndrews will claim he's a moderate (or even Libertarian) when in reality he's hard left.

Ive never claimed to be a moderate. I am mostly anti-KooK, which puts me squarely against you and your silly political ilk.

I don't think you realize that everyone thinks YOU are the Kook.

His style can be abrasive at times but I don't think he's a kook. And really the people he points out tend to be kind of kooks.

See this post.

I am not hard left. In fact I have been called a closet conservative on this board. I am a liberal but I don't agree with a lot of the nanny state crap the far left comes up with. Also while I think war should always be the last answer I am not a strict pacifist as many on the far left are. So again because you do tend to be very right you think I am very left. But I'm not. Most of what I think should be done seems pretty mainstream based on polling. Or is the whole country hard left?

 

[mcintyre1]

I think we have to take at least 20% of so-called "moderates" and "libertarians" and add them evenly to each side. Seriously, guys like KookAndrews will claim he's a moderate (or even Libertarian) when in reality he's hard left.

Ive never claimed to be a moderate. I am mostly anti-KooK, which puts me squarely against you and your silly political ilk.

I don't think you realize that everyone thinks YOU are the Kook.

Yeah... not everyone.

Well, OF COURSE you're going to agree with him. You're almost as hard left as he is.

You say that like its an insult.

 

[snogger]

I think we have to take at least 20% of so-called "moderates" and "libertarians" and add them evenly to each side. Seriously, guys like KookAndrews will claim he's a moderate (or even Libertarian) when in reality he's hard left.

Ive never claimed to be a moderate. I am mostly anti-KooK, which puts me squarely against you and your silly political ilk.

I don't think you realize that everyone thinks YOU are the Kook.

His style can be abrasive at times but I don't think he's a kook. And really the people he points out tend to be kind of kooks.

See this post.

I am not hard left. In fact I have been called a closet conservative on this board. I am a liberal but I don't agree with a lot of the nanny state crap the far left comes up with. Also while I think war should always be the last answer I am not a strict pacifist as many on the far left are. So again because you do tend to be very right you think I am very left. But I'm not. Most of what I think should be done seems pretty mainstream based on polling. Or is the whole country hard left?

Have to agree with NCCommish here.. He may align himself with the "Liberal" definition...

But in real life he has shown to be open minded towards ideas many on the left are against ( FairTax) and is against those the Left love( Nanny State).

 

[timschochet]

I identified myself as a moderate . I'm really not but it's the closest.

Nobody wants you anyways.

You're such a sweetheart.

Anyone who nods their head at 90 percent of what MSNBC says and is disgusted by 90 percent of what FoxNews says is in the Liberal/progressive camp. Moderate (like 'lLibertarian' before) is far off from where you are as you usually map out extreme positions on most issues, usually on the side of Big Government solutions to all problems.

I have no idea why you keep repeating this. You seem fixated on my opinions about MSNBC and Fox News. For the record, I haven't watched either in about 3 years. I gave up on opinion shows a long time ago; they're annoying to me. On occasion I listen to talk radio, 99% conservative, because I have to drive so much. But mostly sports and audible books.

 

[Ted Mullins]

Voted libertarian because that's definitely the choice I identify with most closely, but far more interested in the social issues/civil rights side and find some of the economic rhetoric off-putting. I feel like a lot of the conservative GOP libertarian movement going on now is not so much about actual small government but more so about small government while Obama is in office. That said, I am almost 30 and I can't imagine a lot of the social stances of the mainstream GOP are going to be viable with my generation and younger.

I don't think I've ever posted in any of the political threads other than a few NSA/Snowden threads and the Basic Income one. A lot of them get ugly and I find it really entertaining but have no desire to participate.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Got my sample ballot last night and it made me think of this thread (insert sad joke here).

There are 10 parties running for office in New Jersey and there are 7 people on the ballot running for the office of United States Senator for the State of New Jersey.

Corey Booker (D) is the incumbant due to a special election last year. He will likely win fairly easily as the national GOP has ignored his opponent. Corey is still considered a rising star and it is well known here that he has White House aspirations and will likely run in 2020 if he doesn't figure out a way to do it in 2016.

Jeff Bell ® is the GOP's candidate. His 2 main platforms are, and I'm not kiding, abortion and religious freedom. In New Jersey. You can assume what is going to happen from there.

Joe Baratelli (L) Libertarian Party candidate.

Jeff Boss (911) is the NSA Did 911 Party candidate. No I didn't make that up. That's the party. He was once a Democrat in the state.

Eugene Lavergne (DR) is the Democratic-Republican Party candidate. He is I'm pretty sure a disbarred attorney.

Antonio Sabas (I) Independent and also got the nomination of the Freedom of Choice Party - you can guess their main platform. To be honest this is the guy I want to win. He is a former special forces Marine. I want NJ to have a Senator that could literally kill all the other Senators with a pencil just for the humor of it.

Hank Schroeder (I) Independent; Economic Growth Party.

There is always, of course, the opportunity for a write-in candidate as well.

For reasons I don't know, the Green Party, Legalize Marijuana Party and New Jersey Socialist Party did not get a nominee on the ballot for the United States Senate.

There is absolutely no need, requirement or force of nature that requires you to vote for the guy(s) that have a D or R next to their name. Choose who you want.

 

[RCon]

Got my sample ballot last night and it made me think of this thread (insert sad joke here).

There are 10 parties running for office in New Jersey and there are 7 people on the ballot running for the office of United States Senator for the State of New Jersey.

Corey Booker (D) is the incumbant due to a special election last year. He will likely win fairly easily as the national GOP has ignored his opponent. Corey is still considered a rising star and it is well known here that he has White House aspirations and will likely run in 2020 if he doesn't figure out a way to do it in 2016.

Jeff Bell ® is the GOP's candidate. His 2 main platforms are, and I'm not kiding, abortion and religious freedom. In New Jersey. You can assume what is going to happen from there.

Joe Baratelli (L) Libertarian Party candidate.

Jeff Boss (911) is the NSA Did 911 Party candidate. No I didn't make that up. That's the party. He was once a Democrat in the state.

Eugene Lavergne (DR) is the Democratic-Republican Party candidate. He is I'm pretty sure a disbarred attorney.

Antonio Sabas (I) Independent and also got the nomination of the Freedom of Choice Party - you can guess their main platform. To be honest this is the guy I want to win. He is a former special forces Marine. I want NJ to have a Senator that could literally kill all the other Senators with a pencil just for the humor of it.

Hank Schroeder (I) Independent; Economic Growth Party.

There is always, of course, the opportunity for a write-in candidate as well.

For reasons I don't know, the Green Party, Legalize Marijuana Party and New Jersey Socialist Party did not get a nominee on the ballot for the United States Senate.

There is absolutely no need, requirement or force of nature that requires you to vote for the guy(s) that have a D or R next to their name. Choose who you want.

Jeff Bell also wants to return to the gold standard. Don't forget that one. I hear it on the radio pretty much every day. Oh, and he worked with Ronald Reagan. That's also made very clear on the radio ads.

If I lived in NJ, I'd vote for Hank Schroeder. The Breaking Bad references would be too good to pass up.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Got my sample ballot last night and it made me think of this thread (insert sad joke here).

There are 10 parties running for office in New Jersey and there are 7 people on the ballot running for the office of United States Senator for the State of New Jersey.

Corey Booker (D) is the incumbant due to a special election last year. He will likely win fairly easily as the national GOP has ignored his opponent. Corey is still considered a rising star and it is well known here that he has White House aspirations and will likely run in 2020 if he doesn't figure out a way to do it in 2016.

Jeff Bell ® is the GOP's candidate. His 2 main platforms are, and I'm not kiding, abortion and religious freedom. In New Jersey. You can assume what is going to happen from there.

Joe Baratelli (L) Libertarian Party candidate.

Jeff Boss (911) is the NSA Did 911 Party candidate. No I didn't make that up. That's the party. He was once a Democrat in the state.

Eugene Lavergne (DR) is the Democratic-Republican Party candidate. He is I'm pretty sure a disbarred attorney.

Antonio Sabas (I) Independent and also got the nomination of the Freedom of Choice Party - you can guess their main platform. To be honest this is the guy I want to win. He is a former special forces Marine. I want NJ to have a Senator that could literally kill all the other Senators with a pencil just for the humor of it.

Hank Schroeder (I) Independent; Economic Growth Party.

There is always, of course, the opportunity for a write-in candidate as well.

For reasons I don't know, the Green Party, Legalize Marijuana Party and New Jersey Socialist Party did not get a nominee on the ballot for the United States Senate.

There is absolutely no need, requirement or force of nature that requires you to vote for the guy(s) that have a D or R next to their name. Choose who you want.

Go ahead... throw your vote away!!!

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Got my sample ballot last night and it made me think of this thread (insert sad joke here).

There are 10 parties running for office in New Jersey and there are 7 people on the ballot running for the office of United States Senator for the State of New Jersey.

Corey Booker (D) is the incumbant due to a special election last year. He will likely win fairly easily as the national GOP has ignored his opponent. Corey is still considered a rising star and it is well known here that he has White House aspirations and will likely run in 2020 if he doesn't figure out a way to do it in 2016.

Jeff Bell ® is the GOP's candidate. His 2 main platforms are, and I'm not kiding, abortion and religious freedom. In New Jersey. You can assume what is going to happen from there.

Joe Baratelli (L) Libertarian Party candidate.

Jeff Boss (911) is the NSA Did 911 Party candidate. No I didn't make that up. That's the party. He was once a Democrat in the state.

Eugene Lavergne (DR) is the Democratic-Republican Party candidate. He is I'm pretty sure a disbarred attorney.

Antonio Sabas (I) Independent and also got the nomination of the Freedom of Choice Party - you can guess their main platform. To be honest this is the guy I want to win. He is a former special forces Marine. I want NJ to have a Senator that could literally kill all the other Senators with a pencil just for the humor of it.

Hank Schroeder (I) Independent; Economic Growth Party.

There is always, of course, the opportunity for a write-in candidate as well.

For reasons I don't know, the Green Party, Legalize Marijuana Party and New Jersey Socialist Party did not get a nominee on the ballot for the United States Senate.

There is absolutely no need, requirement or force of nature that requires you to vote for the guy(s) that have a D or R next to their name. Choose who you want.

Well, there was law in North Carolina that said that ballots would be issued without showing the party of the candidate running.

Now, personally, I loved that, totally agree with it. But the Holder DOJ filed suit against it, claimed it was unconstitutional based on race, and got a district court to agree with them.

Terrible decision in my opinion.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Jeff Boss (911) is the NSA Did 911 Party candidate. No I didn't make that up. That's the party. He was once a Democrat in the state.

Somewhere there was a poll that showed the number of Demos who believed the 911 hoax was comparable to the number of goppers who believed Obama was from Kenya.