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Please explain tremendous upside and Culpepper in the same sentence.
Culpepper might as well have a giant fork stuck in him.
Gladly:2000 FF finish--#12002 FF finish--#12003 FF finish--#12004 FF finish--#1Now, granted that was 3 yrs ago, but he endured an injury in 2005 and hasn't had the starting job since. Last year he showed he's still capable of being a starter. Is he going to finish #1 again if he does become the starter? Very likely not and I understand that. But I'd gladly take a flier on a guy like him who would be my #3 QB at best and at a very cheap price when he shows the potential of being THAT good in the past. Considering he's still relatively young (31), there's no reason he couldn't put up some good #'s if he lands in the right spot. How many #3 or worse QB's have that kind of potential?
I am not sure he is going to get a shot at starting anywhere. I think he needs to think in terms of being a backup somewhere (do not see why not still in Oakland) and hope that he gets his chances to impress again with an opportunity to get him back on the field.
was this when he was sitting behind McCown or holding the reigns for Russel? Or in his 5 TD game where he threw for 30 yards and ran for 20 but happened to get the ball in the endzone?Daunte is done. He hasnt looked good without Moss and since he got injured. I think that is showing with McCown getting the call before him. By teams seeing whats out there and resigning Collins, Redman, etc....
I wouldn't use the reasoning of him being on the bench in OAKLAND as being a reason that he shouldn't be starting anywhere else. One of the last teams that I would trust in terms of judging talent is the Raiders right now. I'm not saying that he IS starting material at this point, but the fact he sat behind McCown because of a coaching decision in Oakland isn't a reason I would say he ISN'T starting material. When I watched him last year on the field, I thought he looked just fine and better than McCown, personally. You may not agree and that's fine.As to whether or not he suffered after Moss left, his best year ever was in 2004 when Moss was hurt for a good portion of the year and he still put up statistically one of the best seasons by a QB ever (with a very limited cast of help). This has been posted about several times here. But, whether or not you want to agree with those #'s, let's just say for argument's sake that you are right and he needed someone like Moss to make him look good. What if he lands somewhere that has a top-notch WR like him (say Buffalo and Evans) and is able to do the same thing? Are you saying if Culpepper went to Buffalo, for example, and landed the starting job that he has no chance to succeed? Who cares if he needs Evans to make him look good as long as that's happening? Again, I understand the chances of him having any fantasy upside are slim to none, but whatever little is there is so much better than any other #3 QB you could roster that I'd be willing to gamble on him.
That's understandable and probably the majority view as well. The reason I see it differently is that, in his prime, he was even better than Green, and he is still CONSIDERABLY younger than Green is. You're right that the fact his phone isn't ringing (as far as we know) is a red flag, but look at Moss as a great example going into this year. Many wrote him off as well and only 2 teams really pursued him if I remember correctly (I may be mistaken). I just think given what he did in the past and his relatively young age that his situation at least bears paying attention to if nothing else. I'm in no way trying to say he's back and ready to dominate if given a chance.
I could have sworn upside had something to do with the future.
Well considering the threads title sounds like a start of a Seinfeld joke....I will treat it as such.
Upside isn't simply limited to the future in terms of predicting upside. If you had to gamble on a guy who's actually done it before (Culpepper) vs. a guy who never has (Redman, for example), then I would always take the former. His "upside" is what he can potentially do and his past performance HELPS to PREDICT that, which is all you're doing with upside anyway. The reason people continually pimp Lee Evans upside is what he's done in the past, for example. If you had to gamble on which guy has the chance to be elite, would you pick Evans (who has finished in the top 10 before) or Sidney Rice (who never has)? It's not to say that Rice will never do it or that Evans definitely will, but it's helpful to know what they've done before.
Everything falls apart regarding past performance when you are failing to take into the proper context of the previous 3 seasons. Culpepper has been either hurt or pathetic the past 3 seasons. That is a long time for players with short careers, especially a QB that's 6'4" 265#. I'm not sure that you have eyes to see, but it's painfully obvious that he's not the same Dante Culpepper, so whatever upside was there is actually risk and/or downside as his production, mobility, contract and then he'll (most likely) block a QB that teams would be developing. He might get an offer, but he'll be holding the clipboard on the sidelines.gianmarco said:
What are your feelings about Priest Holmes? Tremendous upside?
Culpepper was a FF machine those 4 years but I think those days are over.
Good call. I did not even think about that. I had GB and Carolina as my top two choices for him.ETA: While I like Gonzo and Bowe, if it came down to those three teams, i would select GB or Carolina if I were Culp. he has the best chance to play in KC, but if he got in in the other two cities, I like his weapons in the GB the best followed by Carolina (well, weapon in steve Smith).
Especially if KC's OL doesnt improve, he would get murdered there
Yeah, that would not be good, but on Sirius they were talking about Carolina turning over the entire line this year, so I am not sure if that would be any better. I just think he needs to push GB for the back up job this year. I think now he is hurting himself by being his own agent. I liked his move to Oakland last year, but now I think he needs to tuen to an agent who can champion him for the best opportunity and most money possible...of which I think exists in GB at this time.
Especially when Culpepper is considerably younger. There's no question that his value is virtually nothing unless the right situation comes along. But if that right situation comes along, his value could be boosted quite a bit. I think he could be had for a song with little risk except for a roster spot. And yes, I know the chances of him producing are 0.5%, if that.
I don't recall him being a solid locker room guy anywhere hes been. Always a "me first" individual, who thinks hes alot better than he is.I dont see how it would hurt KC, GB, Atlanta or Balt to atleast sign him to compete for the job.
Wouldn't that be ironic... not happening... just saying.
