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So where does Favre rank now among QBs? (1 Viewer)
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hickbones
Footballguy
Gonna watch some preseason games first.Just curous where you all would rank Favre now that he is a JET? And what is the "shark" move? Most likely he was drafted as a flier in the very late rounds (re-draft leagues that already drafted). Is it best to move him now? Wait? Ride the Favre bus all seaon?
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Well, there are 32 starting Qb's out there, and I think he's as good or better than at least half.
That would put him at QB 16. He plays in every game, where many don't so you can boost him up to around QB 10.
I think around QB 10 is pretty safe and he has a little upside in that spot. If someone wants to be crazy and take him like QB5, I'd let them do that because no matter what, he's going to have a little rust plus he's going to have to learn a complicated system in NY. He may only have 60 to 70 percent of the playbook when the season starts.
Qb 10
That would put him at QB 16. He plays in every game, where many don't so you can boost him up to around QB 10.
I think around QB 10 is pretty safe and he has a little upside in that spot. If someone wants to be crazy and take him like QB5, I'd let them do that because no matter what, he's going to have a little rust plus he's going to have to learn a complicated system in NY. He may only have 60 to 70 percent of the playbook when the season starts.
Qb 10
blackjack23
Footballguy
Got him ranked 9th now ahead of guys like Cutler, Hasslebeck, and Rivers.
baconisgood
Footballguy
Depends on who your current top QB is. Favre could be very valuable in a QBBC situation as the Jets play Miami (only once though, 2nd game is week 17) ARI, Cin, Oak, Den, STL and San Fran. If you already have a top 5 guy w/o much injury risk I would trade him sooner, rather than later as the buzz will probably make him overvalued and a few picks in his first preseason game could kill that.Just curous where you all would rank Favre now that he is a JET? And what is the "shark" move? Most likely he was drafted as a flier in the very late rounds (re-draft leagues that already drafted). Is it best to move him now? Wait? Ride the Favre bus all seaon?
Warhogs
Footballguy
I seem to agree with everyone else who has posted. Favre had a great year last year but for the few seasons before that he was more of a QB in that 10-15 range. He now has to learn a new offense in short order and develop chemistry with his new receivers. I think right now it would be safest to project his numbers not based on last season but what he had done for the few seasons before that.
Gatorman
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I agree. It's not just playbook, he now has 3 weeks to get comfortable with guys he has never played with, even in probowls. Check downs and audibles will be nil for the most part, so it will probably be a half a season before Favre bears fruit as a viable starter. Also, Coles and COtchery are not big YAC guys if I remember correctly.I'd put favre right behind garrard. He is a top QB2 at this point who could pay real dividends in the playoffs (fantasy, not NFL)
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Insoxicated
All I can say to that is... Wow. Hass especially. Hass has been a year in year out solid performer... top 10 in fact, who is in the same offense (with a lot of passing), with recievers he knows. Cutler and Rivers are crapshoots, though I'd be shocked if Favre by seasons end has better numbers than Cutler.Now... Favre. Favre looked cooked after the 05 & 06 seasons. He experienced a revival last year, but how much of that was due to the exceptional talent he had around him last year? Here he is, late 30's, new team, new offense, new recievers, and late to camp... and you figure he's better than all 3 of those guys? That's pretty bold.
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blackjack23
Footballguy
If Cutler had Marshall all season then Id rank him higher than Favre but those 2-3 games missed are going to hurt cuz the other receivers on Denver suck. I'm really down on Hass this year. He had a great year last year cuz they couldnt run the ball so they went to the run and shoot offense. Since then they lost Hackett & Branch (so he doesnt have the same WRs) and added Jones & Duckett. So I think they will do a ton more running. I know Favre had average seasons before last year but IMO the Jets have just as much talent on offense as the Packers did last year. Coles and Cotchery are just as good as Driver and Jennings, Jones is just as good as Grant, and the OLines are both good. This is a good offensive squad that was missing one thing and that was a QB. Ill give you that it may take him some time to get acclimated to the team but once he starts slinging the ball he'll be fine.
blackjack23
Footballguy
My projections for Favre:
480 att, 3648 yds, 22 tds, 18 ints
480 att, 3648 yds, 22 tds, 18 ints
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whitem0nkey
Footballguy
I would have him after eli and before rodgers, but this can change after I see some preseason games. just so many questions right now. hopefully a few of them will get answered in the next 20+ days
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
The problem is which Favre are you going to get...the 2005/2006 Favre, or the 2007 Favre? It's no certainty that you get last year's Favre.
I'm going to be doing my rankings today sometime and I'll likely have Favre between 15 and 20, in the middle of the starting QBs.
I'm going to be doing my rankings today sometime and I'll likely have Favre between 15 and 20, in the middle of the starting QBs.
Young 8
Footballguy
i bet on 2005/2006 Favre
bcr8f
Footballguy
Banger
Footballguy
It's going to depend on his rapport with Cotchery, Coles, Keller and the improvement of the line. In '05/'06 Favre had absolute garbage at the TE/WR position outside of Driver and their line was bad. His line and wr's s/b better in '08 with the Jets than it was in either '05/'06 so the answer IMO is somewhere between '06 and '07 something like 3800 - 21 - 17.Anthony Borbely said:
Favre with the NYJ - Solid WRs, good combo of veteran experience and youth at TE (+ old Favre favorite Bubba Franks), good pass-catching RBs in Jones and Washington.
3400-3500 yards, 24-26 TDs with 15-16 interceptions, 50 yards rushing 0 TDs #9 on my QB board.
3400-3500 yards, 24-26 TDs with 15-16 interceptions, 50 yards rushing 0 TDs #9 on my QB board.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I slot him at QB13 as of last night's updated projections and rankings.
Andy Herron
Footballguy
Both of these posts are about where I fall on Favre. I don't think it's going to turn out to be as glorious as many may think. Unless he were to really, really fall in drafts, I wouldn't really give him a second look. Somebody else is going to grab him, probably too early, long before then anyway. Another thing to consider: Lambeau Field had it's own conditions to deal with, but those swirling winds at Giants Stadium presents it's own battle altogether.I know Favre has a strong arm, but he still gets careless at times and those winds could present further problems. It may sound miniscule, but if that were the case, it wouldn't have been such a hot topic over the years among QBs, kickers, punters, and even coaches. Chase (or anybody else), what have you got on Favre's history of playing in Giants Stadium?Gatorman said:
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Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
I'm going to go with #23.
I just don't expect much except LOTS of ints, and a very slow start. He might be viable toward the end of the season, but I would DEFINITELY not draft him now. Trade for him later if you are dying for a 38 year old QB in a different system than the one he's played in for 18 years, who probably didn't keep himself in shape this off-season and has three or four weeks to adjust to about a billion changes from what he's used to.
I just don't expect much except LOTS of ints, and a very slow start. He might be viable toward the end of the season, but I would DEFINITELY not draft him now. Trade for him later if you are dying for a 38 year old QB in a different system than the one he's played in for 18 years, who probably didn't keep himself in shape this off-season and has three or four weeks to adjust to about a billion changes from what he's used to.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Favre's numbers at Giants stadium (regular season only):
5 games played (4 vs. Giants, 1 vs. Jets)
108 completions
178 attempts
60.7% completion rate
1,319 yards (264 per game)
8 TDs (1.6 per game)
5 INTs (1.0 per game)Corrected: I initially missed a 1992 game b/c the Dominator doesn't go back that far.
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Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I think that's fair to say, but Farve also has a better chance to play all 16 games, where many who fall into that area don't.I find it VERY unlikely that Farve plays 16 games as a Jet and STILL fillinishes 15-20 which is in the bottom half of the league for the most part, not top half. I just don't see that.Anthony Borbely said:
Andy Herron
Footballguy
Certainly respectable, but I'm still leery.
sholditch
Footballguy
We get .5 per comp in my dynasty league and he was the fifth-ranked QB last year. I think he's a lock for top ten with the line and receivers the Jets have, with another top-5 finish a remote possibility.ETA: HE was ranked 7th in the same league in 2006barista said:
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
Here are some thoughts on why you shouldn't worry about the conditions at Giants stadium:
http://blog.footballguys.com/2008/08/07/br...giants-stadium/
http://blog.footballguys.com/2008/08/07/br...giants-stadium/
Andy Herron
Footballguy
Good work, Jason.I just thought it was something to consider that may have been getting overlooked in this whole thing.
Just curious, did my mentioning of this lead you to doing that write-up? (Being that it's dated today)
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sholditch
Footballguy
For all the talk about how terrible Favre was in 05, he was third in passing yardage. The 29 ints v 20 TDs are what killed his fantasy value, 6 more than he threw at any point in his career and 8 more than he threw since 2000. I think Brett is practically a lock for top 10. Who are you going to put ahead of him beyond Brady, Peyton, Romo, Brees, Palmer, Roeth? Eli? Garrard? Even if all these QBs surpass him he's still ninth. If BUlger has a resurgence he's tenth.
I think he'll do OK as a JET (better than Pennington), but as a #2 fantasy QB. I think he'll do better as the year progresses, but will (esp. at the start) have a higher % of int: TD than normal for him (which isn't very good to start with). Add onto that that the JETS have a worse defense than GB did last year, and he may be allowed to throw more. I do like his weapons in NY better than in GB as well.
Overall, he's a solid backup fantasy QB who will be even better as the year progresses (more of the playbook, better at working with the WRs, etc).
3200 yards, 27 TDs, 22 Ints
FWIW - Favre has been my league's "bye-week QB" over the past few years. He was always available after the auction, people would pick him up for a bye-week fill-in or an injury replacement, and drop him when they needed a roster spot, leaving him available for the next team to pick him up. I was fortunate that my QB had an early bye week last year and added Favre, and held onto him all year.
I don't think anyone would want to pick Favre as their starter, but he'll be a top backup because he still has the potential to throw for 4500 yards and 35 TDs with the JETS (esp. if their defense doesn't do well).
Also, FWIW, don't forget he's the Madded cover boy...
Overall, he's a solid backup fantasy QB who will be even better as the year progresses (more of the playbook, better at working with the WRs, etc).
3200 yards, 27 TDs, 22 Ints
FWIW - Favre has been my league's "bye-week QB" over the past few years. He was always available after the auction, people would pick him up for a bye-week fill-in or an injury replacement, and drop him when they needed a roster spot, leaving him available for the next team to pick him up. I was fortunate that my QB had an early bye week last year and added Favre, and held onto him all year.
I don't think anyone would want to pick Favre as their starter, but he'll be a top backup because he still has the potential to throw for 4500 yards and 35 TDs with the JETS (esp. if their defense doesn't do well).
Also, FWIW, don't forget he's the Madded cover boy...
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Indeed it did! [note the blog post has been edited to say so]...
Andy Herron
Footballguy
Well that's cool. Appreciate the kudos!
Banger
Footballguy
Bulger may be close, Cutler should put up better numbers, Anderson may, McNabb, Hasselbeck...
That's right about were I would put his numbers. The Jets Qb's attempted 510 passes last season. I feel safe in thinking that with Favre they might throw it at least two more times a game which would push Brett to 542 attempts. Pennington averaged 6.8 YPA while Clemens was 6.1. I'm going to assume Brett passes them both and I feel save thinking he should come in around 7 YPA which would be him to about 3800 yards.TD's are tough to predict but considering how considering how few rushing TD's the Jets had last year I think they will lean on Favre a little more in the red zone than most teams which should help his TD's. My guess was 24 to go along with 18 ints.So in total 3800 yards, 24 TD's, 18 Ints. Borderline QB1 numbers but all things being equal I'd put him over someone with similar projections based on his history of good health.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Favre will go as far as the Jets offensive line goes. As far as potential, the OL looks very good. Faneca is obviously very good, and Mangold is a reliable and up and coming center. Ferguson has added 15-20 pounds of pure muscle, and looks like a totally different player. If he can live up to his potential, along with the addition of Woody, and the Jets offensive line could be very good. If they all come together, then Favre should have another big year. That is a few 'ifs', though.
T Bell
Footballguy
1st in playing, 1st in retiring, and 1st in the hearts of Jets fans. 
As a Packer in 2008, I'd project Favre's numbers along the lines of:
3900/24/20
In other words, I think last year was a spike in his production that went above the norm for him and that he would not be able to sustain. He'd revert to his mean, if you will.
I think his numbers will be less in New York than what he'd have put up in Green Bay for the obvious package of reasons (new team; new system; doubtful offseason conditioning; less talent around him; etc.) I'd project him at around:
3750/20/20
He's also got a higher injury risk IMHO in a new system and with worse conditioning than he has in years past, something that I think is going to get missed by a lot of people.
This would put him just inside the top 10 in most leagues. He's still valuable in fantasy, but he's definitely not a stud.
As a Packer in 2008, I'd project Favre's numbers along the lines of:
3900/24/20
In other words, I think last year was a spike in his production that went above the norm for him and that he would not be able to sustain. He'd revert to his mean, if you will.
I think his numbers will be less in New York than what he'd have put up in Green Bay for the obvious package of reasons (new team; new system; doubtful offseason conditioning; less talent around him; etc.) I'd project him at around:
3750/20/20
He's also got a higher injury risk IMHO in a new system and with worse conditioning than he has in years past, something that I think is going to get missed by a lot of people.
This would put him just inside the top 10 in most leagues. He's still valuable in fantasy, but he's definitely not a stud.
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-baller
Footballguy
rodgers.
Ned
Footballguy
exactly my thoughts when opening the thread...i don't think he presents too much value since someone will reach for him in the QB6ish range, i think.I'd take Favre over Rodgers. I have serious doubts about Rodgers ability to even finish the season given the injury problems that he's had.
T Bell
Footballguy
For those predicting as such, why do you think that Favre will throw for more TD's than INT's given all of the transition he's made and is making to a new team? Isn't there a pretty clear pattern in his career than when there's chaos around him, and not a steady hand to keep him playing within himself, that he throws a LOT of INT's?
blackjack23
Footballguy
Hes only thrown more INTs than TDs 3 times in his career, 1993, 1999, & 2005. I think Ill go with the majority of his career to project his #s.
sholditch
Footballguy
I think people are making too much of his difficulty of transition, and I don't get the "less talent" argument. Favre went into last year with only one truly proven wideout, no one at TE, and a group of RBs with 0 combined starts between them. Despite these very shaky preseason prospects he went on to have one of his best seasons in years. In the Jets, he goes in with two proven wideouts, a veteran RB and a very fast COP back, a rookie TE drawing rave reviews, and a beefed-up O-Line. Also, I think the guy is going to have a lot to prove to the world and his former team. He'll be motivated like never before. I would not be shocked to see him put up a season more similar to 07 than 05/06 (which weren't bad anyway).
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