So where does Favre rank now among QBs? (1 Viewer)

[T Bell]

For those predicting as such, why do you think that Favre will throw for more TD's than INT's given all of the transition he's made and is making to a new team? Isn't there a pretty clear pattern in his career than when there's chaos around him, and not a steady hand to keep him playing within himself, that he throws a LOT of INT's?

Hes only thrown more INTs than TDs 3 times in his career, 1993, 1999, & 2005. I think Ill go with the majority of his career to project his #s.

And all of those were in situations where he hadn't just changed teams and gone to an entirely new system, hence my question.Look at it this way, I think we can all agree that throwing as many or more INT's as games played constitutes "a lot of INT's." Favre has done this 10 times, including in five of the last six and and nine of the last 11 seasons. Granted, he has tended to throw even more TD's, but again that's been with fewer changes, and obviously while younger and in better shape, etc. I just have a tough time envisioning him throwing fewer than 20 INT's, and I also have a hard time being optimistic enough in him to make a greater number of TD passes.

 

[sholditch]

For those predicting as such, why do you think that Favre will throw for more TD's than INT's given all of the transition he's made and is making to a new team? Isn't there a pretty clear pattern in his career than when there's chaos around him, and not a steady hand to keep him playing within himself, that he throws a LOT of INT's?

Hes only thrown more INTs than TDs 3 times in his career, 1993, 1999, & 2005. I think Ill go with the majority of his career to project his #s.

And all of those were in situations where he hadn't just changed teams and gone to an entirely new system, hence my question.Look at it this way, I think we can all agree that throwing as many or more INT's as games played constitutes "a lot of INT's." Favre has done this 10 times, including in five of the last six and and nine of the last 11 seasons.

Granted, he has tended to throw even more TD's, but again that's been with fewer changes, and obviously while younger and in better shape, etc. I just have a tough time envisioning him throwing fewer than 20 INT's, and I also have a hard time being optimistic enough in him to make a greater number of TD passes.

This made me wonder how many QBs have done this over the years. Here's what I found:8 qbs in 2007

8 qbs in 2006

5 Qbs in 2005

8 Qbs in 2004

9 QBs in 2003

9 QBs in 2002

12 QBs in 2001

8 QBs in 2000

I'm pretty sure Favre was in all of them. Here are the QBs from these years:

2007: Kitna, Eli, Palmer, Romo, DA, Brees, Warner, Young (Favre 15)

2006: Roeth, Eli, Kitna, Favre, Grossman, Frye, Pennington

2005: Favre, Bledsoe, Brooks, Eli, delhomme

2004: Collins, Plummer, Testaverde, Palmer, Favre, Green, Bledsoe, Brooks

2003: Bulger, Harrington, Carter, Favre, Brad Johnson, Maddox, Collins, Delhomme

2002: Culpepper, Plummer, Peyton, Couch, Brees, Favre, Harrington, Kitna, Maddox

2001: Green, Peyton, Brooks, Kitna, Warner, Couch, Fiedler, Greise, Weinke, Flutie, Grbac, Collins

2000: Tesztaverde, Plummer, Kitna, Beuerlein, Leaf, Warner, Culpepper, Favre

I don't know that this shows us anything, but a lot of the names on this list have been considered top fantasy starters, especially last year. So, it at least shows that throwing more than 15 ints doesn't prevent a QB from being a top fantasy performer.

 

[T Bell]

For those predicting as such, why do you think that Favre will throw for more TD's than INT's given all of the transition he's made and is making to a new team? Isn't there a pretty clear pattern in his career than when there's chaos around him, and not a steady hand to keep him playing within himself, that he throws a LOT of INT's?

I think people are making too much of his difficulty of transition, and I don't get the "less talent" argument. Favre went into last year with only one truly proven wideout, no one at TE, and a group of RBs with 0 combined starts between them. Despite these very shaky preseason prospects he went on to have one of his best seasons in years. In the Jets, he goes in with two proven wideouts, a veteran RB and a very fast COP back, a rookie TE drawing rave reviews, and a beefed-up O-Line. Also, I think the guy is going to have a lot to prove to the world and his former team. He'll be motivated like never before. I would not be shocked to see him put up a season more similar to 07 than 05/06 (which weren't bad anyway).

Who care's what's "proven"? Randy Moss wasn't "proven" in 1998, and yet nobody would argue that the Vikings were suffering from lack of talent at the WR position with him that year. The bottom line is that as it turned out last year, the trio of Driver-Jennings-Jones was about as or more talented than all but a very few such trios in the NFL. He doesn't have that in New York, though I certainly agree that Coles and Cotchery don't suck and are even far better than what QB's in Chicago, Tennessee, Miami, and San Francisco, to name a few, have to throw to. It's a step back. As for transition, it's being underestimated because he's going into a completely different system with a different philosophy, different terminology, and even a different route tree than he's seen.

 

[T Bell]

For those predicting as such, why do you think that Favre will throw for more TD's than INT's given all of the transition he's made and is making to a new team? Isn't there a pretty clear pattern in his career than when there's chaos around him, and not a steady hand to keep him playing within himself, that he throws a LOT of INT's?

Hes only thrown more INTs than TDs 3 times in his career, 1993, 1999, & 2005. I think Ill go with the majority of his career to project his #s.

And all of those were in situations where he hadn't just changed teams and gone to an entirely new system, hence my question.Look at it this way, I think we can all agree that throwing as many or more INT's as games played constitutes "a lot of INT's." Favre has done this 10 times, including in five of the last six and and nine of the last 11 seasons.

Granted, he has tended to throw even more TD's, but again that's been with fewer changes, and obviously while younger and in better shape, etc. I just have a tough time envisioning him throwing fewer than 20 INT's, and I also have a hard time being optimistic enough in him to make a greater number of TD passes.

This made me wonder how many QBs have done this over the years. Here's what I found:8 qbs in 2007

8 qbs in 2006

5 Qbs in 2005

8 Qbs in 2004

9 QBs in 2003

9 QBs in 2002

12 QBs in 2001

8 QBs in 2000

I'm pretty sure Favre was in all of them. Here are the QBs from these years:

2007: Kitna, Eli, Palmer, Romo, DA, Brees, Warner, Young (Favre 15)

2006: Roeth, Eli, Kitna, Favre, Grossman, Frye, Pennington

2005: Favre, Bledsoe, Brooks, Eli, delhomme

2004: Collins, Plummer, Testaverde, Palmer, Favre, Green, Bledsoe, Brooks

2003: Bulger, Harrington, Carter, Favre, Brad Johnson, Maddox, Collins, Delhomme

2002: Culpepper, Plummer, Peyton, Couch, Brees, Favre, Harrington, Kitna, Maddox

2001: Green, Peyton, Brooks, Kitna, Warner, Couch, Fiedler, Greise, Weinke, Flutie, Grbac, Collins

2000: Tesztaverde, Plummer, Kitna, Beuerlein, Leaf, Warner, Culpepper, Favre

I don't know that this shows us anything, but a lot of the names on this list have been considered top fantasy starters, especially last year. So, it at least shows that throwing more than 15 ints doesn't prevent a QB from being a top fantasy performer.

I agree, and that wasn't my point. Obviously, someone who is throwing a lot of INT's is presumably getting a lot of opportunities to throw TD's and for yardage. It was just an interesting point of conversation is all.

 

[whodeywhodey]

Got him ranked 9th now ahead of guys like Cutler, Hasslebeck, and Rivers.

Whoa now! No way that Hasselbeck is ranked outside the top 10. And there is absolutely no way that he's ranked below Favre.Sure, they have 2 rbs now. But their 2 rbs in 2008 are NOT better than Alexander was in his prime. And they threw a lot then, so there is no reason to think they won't throw a lot now.Year after year Hasselbeck continues to get overlooked and year after year he continues to be one of the best values in fantasy, imo.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Slotted at QB#18.

Tier 5: qbs 14-19.

 

[sholditch]

For those predicting as such, why do you think that Favre will throw for more TD's than INT's given all of the transition he's made and is making to a new team? Isn't there a pretty clear pattern in his career than when there's chaos around him, and not a steady hand to keep him playing within himself, that he throws a LOT of INT's?

I think people are making too much of his difficulty of transition, and I don't get the "less talent" argument. Favre went into last year with only one truly proven wideout, no one at TE, and a group of RBs with 0 combined starts between them. Despite these very shaky preseason prospects he went on to have one of his best seasons in years. In the Jets, he goes in with two proven wideouts, a veteran RB and a very fast COP back, a rookie TE drawing rave reviews, and a beefed-up O-Line. Also, I think the guy is going to have a lot to prove to the world and his former team. He'll be motivated like never before. I would not be shocked to see him put up a season more similar to 07 than 05/06 (which weren't bad anyway).

Who care's what's "proven"? Randy Moss wasn't "proven" in 1998, and yet nobody would argue that the Vikings were suffering from lack of talent at the WR position with him that year. The bottom line is that as it turned out last year, the trio of Driver-Jennings-Jones was about as or more talented than all but a very few such trios in the NFL. He doesn't have that in New York, though I certainly agree that Coles and Cotchery don't suck and are even far better than what QB's in Chicago, Tennessee, Miami, and San Francisco, to name a few, have to throw to. It's a step back. As for transition, it's being underestimated because he's going into a completely different system with a different philosophy, different terminology, and even a different route tree than he's seen.

The point was that no one thought much of GB's talent last year because they hadn't done anything much. What is perceived to be a bad situation in August may be a different reality in October. By then you'll probably be talking about how the immense talent the Jets have at receiving is the real reason for Favre's success.

 

[T Bell]

For those predicting as such, why do you think that Favre will throw for more TD's than INT's given all of the transition he's made and is making to a new team? Isn't there a pretty clear pattern in his career than when there's chaos around him, and not a steady hand to keep him playing within himself, that he throws a LOT of INT's?

I think people are making too much of his difficulty of transition, and I don't get the "less talent" argument. Favre went into last year with only one truly proven wideout, no one at TE, and a group of RBs with 0 combined starts between them. Despite these very shaky preseason prospects he went on to have one of his best seasons in years. In the Jets, he goes in with two proven wideouts, a veteran RB and a very fast COP back, a rookie TE drawing rave reviews, and a beefed-up O-Line. Also, I think the guy is going to have a lot to prove to the world and his former team. He'll be motivated like never before. I would not be shocked to see him put up a season more similar to 07 than 05/06 (which weren't bad anyway).

Who care's what's "proven"? Randy Moss wasn't "proven" in 1998, and yet nobody would argue that the Vikings were suffering from lack of talent at the WR position with him that year. The bottom line is that as it turned out last year, the trio of Driver-Jennings-Jones was about as or more talented than all but a very few such trios in the NFL. He doesn't have that in New York, though I certainly agree that Coles and Cotchery don't suck and are even far better than what QB's in Chicago, Tennessee, Miami, and San Francisco, to name a few, have to throw to. It's a step back. As for transition, it's being underestimated because he's going into a completely different system with a different philosophy, different terminology, and even a different route tree than he's seen.

The point was that no one thought much of GB's talent last year because they hadn't done anything much. What is perceived to be a bad situation in August may be a different reality in October. By then you'll probably be talking about how the immense talent the Jets have at receiving is the real reason for Favre's success.

Yeah, I'm really out to get Favre, and I follow him from team to team to do it. Hey, if you're right about the Jets' talent, kudos to you. I'm just not seeing it.

 

[joffer]

Guess i should have put it here than starting a new thread, but Chris Smith has Favre ranked #1.