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every big box store should have them on their roof.. lots of wasted flat space up there and don't have to use up more land..
Commercial buildings are usually designed structurally within a razor's edge of many of the member's capacities. You would be talking about some pretty significant structural upgrades in supporting members to accomodate this, even if the additions are "just" solar panels.I know this to be true because I was working on a job a couple of years ago for a client that wanted to retrofit their box stores to do just that - until they saw the bill for the required improvements to the existing joists, beams, columns, and foundations in order to remain compliant with code.
There's a solution for that problem too.Weight distribution and building loads doesn’t have to be a problem with flat roof installation. Now there are solar cylinders. These use thin film wrapped around a cylinder. Admittedly a niche market. They have the look of prison bars cells placed horizontally 12 inches above the roof, works well with cool roof systems and improves efficiency by 20% due to reflectance. Very low weight, 2.8 lbs per sq ft. And the company that makes them Solyndra, claims they are easily moved and re-deployable. These panels lie flat, azimuth independent, and pack the roof full, regardless of shape of roof as long as roof is flat. Again, cool roof compatible, and some gov’ts allow a 30% tax credit, at least that is how the IRS is ruling. Generally installed in a north-south orientation, these panels are good to 130 MPH, and expanding to 180 MPH. Dirt is tough on typical monocrystalline panels but since these panels are round, they are self cleansing. Snow actually works to improve output due to reflectance (for a day or two anyway). They are more tolerant of shade, since they always have some component area that is at a normal angle to the sun, essentially passively tracking the sun. They are low efficiency (about 6.6%), but they partly make up for it by being compatible with hard to reach areas that get shaded such as rooftop air handlers and other rooftop equipment. I’ve seen a video of the installation in real time, and takes a crew about an hour to install 10 KSF, and the cylindrical panels require no ballasting, yet are lightweight, and at less than 3 lbs per sq. ft. don’t affect rated roof loads. They currently only offer 7 watts/sq ft, but the system does offer an alternative to box stores that are concerned about roof loads.
 
every big box store should have them on their roof.. lots of wasted flat space up there and don't have to use up more land..
Commercial buildings are usually designed structurally within a razor's edge of many of the member's capacities. You would be talking about some pretty significant structural upgrades in supporting members to accomodate this, even if the additions are "just" solar panels.I know this to be true because I was working on a job a couple of years ago for a client that wanted to retrofit their box stores to do just that - until they saw the bill for the required improvements to the existing joists, beams, columns, and foundations in order to remain compliant with code.
true and if I were in charge, I'd give them a savings on parking requirements to match the extra costs of design. Zoning ordinances usually require way too much parking for big box stores anyway.
Better yet, give those tax credits for big box stores to install solar carports. And it gives the customer the added benefit of shade from the hot sun. And install LED lighting under those canopies to brightly light the area for safety concerns, while minimizing the store's electrical load profile.
 
'timschochet said:
'Fensalk said:
The running theory here is liberal aren't just against oil. They are against solar, wind, hydrogren, nuclear - they are against all power. They believe we should just cut back completely on power.
Not liberals. But I think there is a certain portion of extreme environmentalists who do believe this. They want us to return to a world without power, and they will oppose any serious use of power. Not all environmentalists believe this, but some do, and unfortunately they currently exert a larger influence on our affairs than their actual numbers deserve. But I don't think Dianne Feinstein is one of them; whatever the merit of her position, her motives are likely far more practical.
It can't be that extreme since we have a sitting democrat Senator who attacks the solar energy industry and she's not called out on it by her own party. It looks fairly mainstream to me.
 
'Insein said:
Well pants posted it. I'm dying to hear how the boys from the right hate it. I'm not sure how they will get there but somehow.....
I sense the hatred flowing through you. Why would someone's political affiliation be for or against this? Finding alternative sources of energy is a productive goal for all Americans. It will increase competition amongst other energy sources and lower the costs of paying for energy. I was driving through NJ on my way to the shore this week and noticed on almost every telephone pole is a small solar panel. I also passed 3 or 4 fields of panels. They weren't large areas but it was interesting to see them being placed everywhere.
Yeah there's some probably. I have actually been educated in this thread. Makes me cautiously optimistic.
 
That was a good read. It made me think that this concept could be expanded even into semi-rural areas. Centralize the pickup areas a little bit and only go get it when the sensor tells you it's full. Because of re-cycling, my household barely puts out a full bag of trash every week; multiply that kind of inefficiency by a whole bunch of us and we're wasting a lot of gas picking up a little bit of trash.
 
'timschochet said:
'Fensalk said:
The running theory here is liberal aren't just against oil. They are against solar, wind, hydrogren, nuclear - they are against all power. They believe we should just cut back completely on power.
Not liberals. But I think there is a certain portion of extreme environmentalists who do believe this. They want us to return to a world without power, and they will oppose any serious use of power. Not all environmentalists believe this, but some do, and unfortunately they currently exert a larger influence on our affairs than their actual numbers deserve. But I don't think Dianne Feinstein is one of them; whatever the merit of her position, her motives are likely far more practical.
The new whacko hippies.
 
'TeamDingo said:
That solar companies go out of business is hardly newsworthy. There are companies who had poor fundamentals and had no intention of competing with utility companies without the subsidies. I don't know much about this company, but there are many more that are booming right about now. The companies that are in this for the long haul are agressively seeking out municipal agreements for long term PV production. They are the going to be the Microsofts, and IBM's of the future solar giants.
 
Here's an interesting article from this Sunday's St. Pete Times, regarding the booming solar industry.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/as-energy-scene-changes-fast-florida-needs-to-embrace-nuclear-and-solar/1185731

The author doesn't explictitly state "power purchase agreements", but this appears to be just that on a very large scale. A 400MW solar plant on 4,000 acres, that will compete with electrical utilities without a subsidy.

Not only will this complex represent one of the largest solar farms in the country. The firm behind it also plans to sell its sun-generated power to the local electric company at a price that will not require the utility to charge its customers a premium for tapping a renewable energy source like solar.

Let me repeat that: Solar power, says National Solar Power CEO James Scrivener, will be sold to the local power company at no extra charge to customers.

"We are market competitive," says Scrivener, 40, whose entrepreneurial roots lie in the space industry. "That is the linchpin. That is where most people will say we are crazy"
The days of solar subsidies are about over with, and the technology can now compete on a grander scale. The "buy in bulk" principle is lowering costs, reducing risk, and generating reliable income streams for major solar projects to be implemented. If this company can make a profit on a large scale, you can bet that there are competitors lining up to take their market share.
 
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The running theory here is liberal aren't just against oil. They are against solar, wind, hydrogren, nuclear - they are against all power. They believe we should just cut back completely on power.
Not liberals. But I think there is a certain portion of extreme environmentalists who do believe this. They want us to return to a world without power, and they will oppose any serious use of power. Not all environmentalists believe this, but some do, and unfortunately they currently exert a larger influence on our affairs than their actual numbers deserve. But I don't think Dianne Feinstein is one of them; whatever the merit of her position, her motives are likely far more practical.
I don't think liberals fully appreciate the ramifications of their anti-development, anti-corporate attitudes.
 
40% efficiency? That's not on anything that's on the market, is it? I have a buddy that just had solar panels put on his roof. He got the most efficient ones he could buy and I think they were just 13% efficient.
We just put photovoltaic panels on our roof. We now pay nothing to the electric company and only pay monthly to the company that put them up, about half of what I was paying before. It's a bit different here I suppose since we pay the most in the country for energy and have more sun exposure.
Lets hear more.What company did you use?How much final cost?What are the monthly payments and for how long?What was your monthly bill? :popcorn:
 
40% efficiency? That's not on anything that's on the market, is it? I have a buddy that just had solar panels put on his roof. He got the most efficient ones he could buy and I think they were just 13% efficient.
We just put photovoltaic panels on our roof. We now pay nothing to the electric company and only pay monthly to the company that put them up, about half of what I was paying before. It's a bit different here I suppose since we pay the most in the country for energy and have more sun exposure.
Lets hear more.What company did you use?

How much final cost?

What are the monthly payments and for how long?

What was your monthly bill? :popcorn:
This is the company we went with: http://www.revolusun.com/public/home.phpI think Hawaii is a bit different due to our sun exposure, but this company is great for out here. They work with each homeowner individualy. Their initial pitch was no more than 80% of your current electric bill. I'm a bit of an electricity nazi so our cost has actually ended up much less than initially proposed. Our bill was approximately $80-$100 per month prior to getting solar.

 
Wow! Didn't see that coming. Their technologies seemed to be based on catering to a niche market, specifically the customer that is looking for "green credits" as part of a sustability plan or certification. They never realistically could pencil out the payback in conventional terms. Thin film solar cylindrical applications just don't offer the bang for the buck that multicyrstalline panels do. And now you wonder about the companies that installed Solyndra's systems. Where are they at in terms of recurring maintenance? There are so many new solar applications coming to market, and with that there's going to be more solar companies going boom and bust. But there are others out there that are booming right now. I think the ones that will last are going to resist the temptation of selling 'boutique' solar applications that are big on 'green credits' and short on payback.
 
Wow! Didn't see that coming. Their technologies seemed to be based on catering to a niche market, specifically the customer that is looking for "green credits" as part of a sustability plan or certification. They never realistically could pencil out the payback in conventional terms. Thin film solar cylindrical applications just don't offer the bang for the buck that multicyrstalline panels do. And now you wonder about the companies that installed Solyndra's systems. Where are they at in terms of recurring maintenance? There are so many new solar applications coming to market, and with that there's going to be more solar companies going boom and bust. But there are others out there that are booming right now. I think the ones that will last are going to resist the temptation of selling 'boutique' solar applications that are big on 'green credits' and short on payback.
What it seems like you are saying in so many words was that their technology was sub-par and they marketed to people looking for cheap ways to get tax and certification credits. Is that fair to say? Or am I reading you wrong? Before buying my stock in First Solar, I did some research because I am not an expert in this area by any means. What I came up with in that research was that they were not only a leader in manufacturing but a leader in technology. That is what attracted me to them, they seem to be very well positioned for the long term. Since you seem pretty familiar with the technology in this sector, was/is my determination about First Solar accurate? How do you see them technology wise and market wise?

 
'Chadstroma said:
Wow! Didn't see that coming. Their technologies seemed to be based on catering to a niche market, specifically the customer that is looking for "green credits" as part of a sustability plan or certification. They never realistically could pencil out the payback in conventional terms. Thin film solar cylindrical applications just don't offer the bang for the buck that multicyrstalline panels do. And now you wonder about the companies that installed Solyndra's systems. Where are they at in terms of recurring maintenance? There are so many new solar applications coming to market, and with that there's going to be more solar companies going boom and bust. But there are others out there that are booming right now. I think the ones that will last are going to resist the temptation of selling 'boutique' solar applications that are big on 'green credits' and short on payback.
What it seems like you are saying in so many words was that their technology was sub-par and they marketed to people looking for cheap ways to get tax and certification credits. Is that fair to say? Or am I reading you wrong? Before buying my stock in First Solar, I did some research because I am not an expert in this area by any means. What I came up with in that research was that they were not only a leader in manufacturing but a leader in technology. That is what attracted me to them, they seem to be very well positioned for the long term. Since you seem pretty familiar with the technology in this sector, was/is my determination about First Solar accurate? How do you see them technology wise and market wise?
I invest mainla in commodities stocks and First Solar is the only one I would even consider investing in. I am watching NatCore Technology (TSX.V) too.
 
What alot of the Republicans fail to recognize is that all this government investment leads to innovation. You have to get through the tough times to get to the good times. We can't sit back and let Europe or China or Japan figure out the new technologies. That's a recipie for economic disaster and most of those places are working very hard on the energy of the future.

 
What alot of the Republicans fail to recognize is that all this government investment leads to innovation. You have to get through the tough times to get to the good times. We can't sit back and let Europe or China or Japan figure out the new technologies. That's a recipie for economic disaster and most of those places are working very hard on the energy of the future.
I'll have to jot that in my notebook. It makes so much sense when you've spelled it out with such eloquence.
 
Energy chief says solar doesn't need subsidies to grow

By John Siciliano • 8/24/15 3:31 PM

The head of the Energy Department says solar energy will continue to grow even without federal energy subsidies that begin phasing out at the end of next year.

Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz told reporters Monday that the administration supports the extension of the tax credits for solar, but "I certainly see solar growing" even "without subsidy."

Moniz said the cost reductions have "been incredible" for the solar industry, making for an improved "value proposition ... in many contexts."

He said the cost of electricity from rooftop solar panels could fall to as low as 6 cents per kilowatt/hour very soon, which makes it "extremely competitive" with natural gas and other fossil and non-fossil power plants.

The administration supports extending renewable energy subsidies indefinitely, but in a Republican-controlled Congress that is likely to be difficult. The Senate Finance Committee this summer passed a measure that would temporarily re-instate important tax credits for wind energy, but did nothing for solar tax credits that phase out at the end of next year.

Moniz's comments appear to reflect the reality of the situation going into an election year. Moniz said the president will announce Monday the inclusion of $1 billion under the agency's loan guarantee program to pump up innovation in solar panel technologies.

The action could be seen as an alternative to using tax credits, although the loan guarantees would be limited to advanced technologies that can push rooftop solar panels to the next level.

The departments of Energy and Housing and Urban Development will also collaborate to make rooftop solar panels affordable for low-income consumers.

The Energy Information Administration, the Energy Department's independent analysis wing, said utility-scale solar energy projects will increase by 100 percent between 2014 and 2016.

It said the enormous growth is partly a reflection of the tax credit phasing out in 2016, and developers wanting to get projects underway before then to take advantage of the credit.
 
I am not understanding why you would reinstate wind credits but not solar. It seems to me that solar is something that can be a consumer based energy solution (rooftops) while wind is generally still something that is not something most individuals can do.... never mind, I think I just answered my question.

 
Can't wait to put solar on my roof. My energy consumption is a good bit higher than most.

Sadly the math is harmed a bit by the 10k in trees I need to remove first.

 
Can't wait to put solar on my roof. My energy consumption is a good bit higher than most.

Sadly the math is harmed a bit by the 10k in trees I need to remove first.
What are you doing that consumes more energy than most? How many freaking trees do you have around your house?

 
Energy chief says solar doesn't need subsidies to grow

By John Siciliano • 8/24/15 3:31 PM

The head of the Energy Department says solar energy will continue to grow even without federal energy subsidies that begin phasing out at the end of next year.Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz told reporters Monday that the administration supports the extension of the tax credits for solar, but "I certainly see solar growing" even "without subsidy."

Moniz said the cost reductions have "been incredible" for the solar industry, making for an improved "value proposition ... in many contexts."

He said the cost of electricity from rooftop solar panels could fall to as low as 6 cents per kilowatt/hour very soon, which makes it "extremely competitive" with natural gas and other fossil and non-fossil power plants.

The administration supports extending renewable energy subsidies indefinitely, but in a Republican-controlled Congress that is likely to be difficult. The Senate Finance Committee this summer passed a measure that would temporarily re-instate important tax credits for wind energy, but did nothing for solar tax credits that phase out at the end of next year.

Moniz's comments appear to reflect the reality of the situation going into an election year. Moniz said the president will announce Monday the inclusion of $1 billion under the agency's loan guarantee program to pump up innovation in solar panel technologies.

The action could be seen as an alternative to using tax credits, although the loan guarantees would be limited to advanced technologies that can push rooftop solar panels to the next level.

The departments of Energy and Housing and Urban Development will also collaborate to make rooftop solar panels affordable for low-income consumers.The Energy Information Administration, the Energy Department's independent analysis wing, said utility-scale solar energy projects will increase by 100 percent between 2014 and 2016.

It said the enormous growth is partly a reflection of the tax credit phasing out in 2016, and developers wanting to get projects underway before then to take advantage of the credit.
Good news

 
I am not understanding why you would reinstate wind credits but not solar. It seems to me that solar is something that can be a consumer based energy solution (rooftops) while wind is generally still something that is not something most individuals can do.... never mind, I think I just answered my question.
And wind is bad for the environment/birds....

 
Recently read an article from the UK where some researchers had noticed that a particular kind of butterfly was always the first to leave a patch of flowers in case of threats nearing. Turns out that not only are the little suckers sort of solar powered (uses the energy of the sun to recharge the muscles driving the wings - this is apparently not news) but also the angle they place their wings in when sunning themselves is the optimum for catching the energy in the rays (approx 17 degrees apparently) which is news. The researchers did some verification in the labs and apparently could increase the energy absorbtion by up to 50 %.

I'll see if I can find it again.

ETA: http://www.exeter.ac.uk/news/featurednews/title_463490_en.html?utm_source=exeter.ac.uk&utm_medium=billboard&utm_campaign=HomeButterflies

Butterflies heat up the field of solar researchThe humble butterfly could hold the key to unlocking new techniques to make solar energy cheaper and more efficient, pioneering new research has shown.
A team of experts from the University of Exeter has examined new techniques for generating photovoltaic (PV) energy – or ways in which to convert light into power.

They showed that by mimicking the v-shaped posture adopted by Cabbage White butterflies to heat up their flight muscles before take-off, the amount of power produced by solar panels can increase by almost 50 per cent.

Crucially, by replicating this ‘wing-like’ structure, the power-to-weight ratio of the overall solar energy structure is increased 17-fold, making it vastly more efficient.

The research by the team from both the Environment and Sustainability Institute (ESI) and the Centre for Ecology and Conservation, based at the University of Exeter’s Penryn Campus in Cornwall, is published in the leading scientific journal,Scientific Reports.

Professor Tapas Mallick, lead author of the research said: “Biomimicry in engineering is not new. However, this truly multidisciplinary research shows pathways to develop low cost solar power that have not been done before.”

The Cabbage White butterflies are known to take flight before other butterflies on cloudy days – which limit how quickly the insects can use the energy from the sun to heat their flight muscles.

This ability is thought to be due to the v-shaped posturing, known as reflectance basking, they adopt on such days to maximise the concentration of solar energy onto their thorax, which allows for flight.

Furthermore, specific sub-structures of the butterflies’ wings allow the light from the sun to be reflected most efficiently, ensuring that the flight muscles are warmed to an optimal temperature as quickly as possible.

The team of scientists therefore investigated how to replicate the wings to develop a new, lightweight reflective material that could be used in solar energy production.

The team found that the optimal angle by which the butterfly should hold its wings to increase temperature to its body was around 17 degrees, which increased the temperature by 7.3 degrees Centigrade compared to when held flat.

They also showed that by replicating the simple mono-layer of scale cells found in the butterfly wings in solar energy producers, the could vastly improve the power-to-weight rations of future solar concentrators, making them significantly lighter and so more efficient.

Professor Richard ffrench-Constant, who conducts world-leading research into butterfly mimicry at the University of Exeter, said: “This proves that the lowly Cabbage White is not just a pest of your cabbages but actually an insect that is an expert at harvesting solar energy.”

The paper, White butterflies as solar photovoltaic concentrators, by Katie Shanks, Dr Senthilarasu Sundaram, Professor Richard ffrench-Constant and Professor Tapas Mallick from the University of Exeter, is available online.
 
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I am not understanding why you would reinstate wind credits but not solar. It seems to me that solar is something that can be a consumer based energy solution (rooftops) while wind is generally still something that is not something most individuals can do.... never mind, I think I just answered my question.
And wind is bad for the environment/birds....
Birds I can understand... how so for the environment?

 
Just pulled the trigger on solar for the house - being installed in November.

Average electric bill was about $225 per month.

With the panels my bill will be $140 for the next 15 years. After that no bill. No money down. No brainier - should have done it years ago. Can't think of any downside here.

Also seeing a lot of commercial properties in Brooklyn, Long Island City, Bronx just beginning to start to use a previously unused piece of real estate - roofs. Gardens going up there, solar panels, etc.

Agree with OP - solar is going to boom quite soon.

 
Just pulled the trigger on solar for the house - being installed in November.

Average electric bill was about $225 per month.

With the panels my bill will be $140 for the next 15 years. After that no bill. No money down. No brainier - should have done it years ago. Can't think of any downside here.

Also seeing a lot of commercial properties in Brooklyn, Long Island City, Bronx just beginning to start to use a previously unused piece of real estate - roofs. Gardens going up there, solar panels, etc.

Agree with OP - solar is going to boom quite soon.
How much did it cost you?

 
Just pulled the trigger on solar for the house - being installed in November.

Average electric bill was about $225 per month.

With the panels my bill will be $140 for the next 15 years. After that no bill. No money down. No brainier - should have done it years ago. Can't think of any downside here.

Also seeing a lot of commercial properties in Brooklyn, Long Island City, Bronx just beginning to start to use a previously unused piece of real estate - roofs. Gardens going up there, solar panels, etc.

Agree with OP - solar is going to boom quite soon.
No money down?

What kind of program is the run under? I am guessing local. If I have this available- I am all over it.

 
What alot of the Republicans fail to recognize is that all this government investment leads to innovation. You have to get through the tough times to get to the good times. We can't sit back and let Europe or China or Japan figure out the new technologies. That's a recipie for economic disaster and most of those places are working very hard on the energy of the future.
I don't have any idea why I remembered this thread and post, but it popped into my mind reading about the problems in the US's "Ivanpah" project....not going so well.

 
Just pulled the trigger on solar for the house - being installed in November.

Average electric bill was about $225 per month.

With the panels my bill will be $140 for the next 15 years. After that no bill. No money down. No brainier - should have done it years ago. Can't think of any downside here.

Also seeing a lot of commercial properties in Brooklyn, Long Island City, Bronx just beginning to start to use a previously unused piece of real estate - roofs. Gardens going up there, solar panels, etc.

Agree with OP - solar is going to boom quite soon.
How much did it cost you?
No money down - cost me nothing.

Local company here on Long Island, NY. Not sure if they are national?

Everything was installed about 2 weeks ago. My electric meter outside the house which has the spinning dial showing how much electric is being used has completely stopped spinning since the solar panel install. Pretty cool

 
Just pulled the trigger on solar for the house - being installed in November.

Average electric bill was about $225 per month.

With the panels my bill will be $140 for the next 15 years. After that no bill. No money down. No brainier - should have done it years ago. Can't think of any downside here.

Also seeing a lot of commercial properties in Brooklyn, Long Island City, Bronx just beginning to start to use a previously unused piece of real estate - roofs. Gardens going up there, solar panels, etc.

Agree with OP - solar is going to boom quite soon.
How much did it cost you?
No money down - cost me nothing.

Local company here on Long Island, NY. Not sure if they are national?

Everything was installed about 2 weeks ago. My electric meter outside the house which has the spinning dial showing how much electric is being used has completely stopped spinning since the solar panel install. Pretty cool
Do you have to clean them off after a snow fall or just don't generate any power until it melts on its own?

 
Just pulled the trigger on solar for the house - being installed in November.

Average electric bill was about $225 per month.

With the panels my bill will be $140 for the next 15 years. After that no bill. No money down. No brainier - should have done it years ago. Can't think of any downside here.

Also seeing a lot of commercial properties in Brooklyn, Long Island City, Bronx just beginning to start to use a previously unused piece of real estate - roofs. Gardens going up there, solar panels, etc.

Agree with OP - solar is going to boom quite soon.
How much did it cost you?
No money down - cost me nothing.

Local company here on Long Island, NY. Not sure if they are national?

Everything was installed about 2 weeks ago. My electric meter outside the house which has the spinning dial showing how much electric is being used has completely stopped spinning since the solar panel install. Pretty cool
What do you pay monthly to them and for how long?

 
The 30 percent tax credit expires next year. Solar will be completely impractical after that.
Unsubsidized cost of solar is getting very close to coal and gas in southwestern states.

The economic advantages of wind and solar over fossil fuels go beyond price.5 Still, it's remarkable that in every major region of the world, the lifetime cost of new coal and gas projects6 are rising considerably in the second half of 2015, according to BNEF. And in every major region the cost of renewables continues to fall.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-06/solar-wind-reach-a-big-renewables-turning-point-bnef

 
The 30 percent tax credit expires next year. Solar will be completely impractical after that.
Unsubsidized cost of solar is getting very close to coal and gas in southwestern states.

The economic advantages of wind and solar over fossil fuels go beyond price.5 Still, it's remarkable that in every major region of the world, the lifetime cost of new coal and gas projects6 are rising considerably in the second half of 2015, according to BNEF. And in every major region the cost of renewables continues to fall.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-06/solar-wind-reach-a-big-renewables-turning-point-bnef
That is nice for the people of Arozona, Nevada, and New Mexico, but for the vast majority it will become impractical. And as the example linked to above, the reality of implimenting green power is not as green as in theory. If I did it, it would have to be before the tax credit ran out and not by one of those for free contractors.

 
Just pulled the trigger on solar for the house - being installed in November.

Average electric bill was about $225 per month.

With the panels my bill will be $140 for the next 15 years. After that no bill. No money down. No brainier - should have done it years ago. Can't think of any downside here.

Also seeing a lot of commercial properties in Brooklyn, Long Island City, Bronx just beginning to start to use a previously unused piece of real estate - roofs. Gardens going up there, solar panels, etc.

Agree with OP - solar is going to boom quite soon.
How much did it cost you?
No money down - cost me nothing.

Local company here on Long Island, NY. Not sure if they are national?

Everything was installed about 2 weeks ago. My electric meter outside the house which has the spinning dial showing how much electric is being used has completely stopped spinning since the solar panel install. Pretty cool
Let me rephrase to make sure I understand correctly:

You bought/financed the panels at $140 a month over 15 years ($25K) and then they are paid off. At this time, they generate more electricty than you use. So, all you are paying now is the amount you bought/financed the panels for.

I assume you are on the grid still. Do you get any credit for the electricty added to the grid?

 

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