Solve a dispute (1 Viewer)

[Bruce Leroy]

Yahoo Pick'em contest.

4 players selected 14 games correctly this week. For ease of reading only the top 2 players will be listed (3 & 4 tiebreakers weren't close)

First Tiebreaker is Monday Night select the score for each team, not total points.

Player 1 picked Giants 27 Rams 16 (final is 28-16)

Player 2 picked Giants 27 Rams 17

2nd Tiebreaker is the Sunday Night game select the score for each team

Player 1 picked Atlanta 27 Eagles 23 (Falcons 35 Eagles 31)

Player 2 picked Eagles 27 Atlanta 23 (getting the game wrong in the process)

3rd Tiebreaker is most points scored for the week

Player 1 selected Detroit (scored 48)

Player 2 selected Houston (scored 23)

4th Tiebreaker is pick lowest points scored for the week

Player 1 selected Jacksonville (scored 3, Seattle scored 0)

Player 2 selected Atlanta (scored 35)

Who should win Shark Pool?

 

[BroadwayG]

You could have stopped after tiebreak #1

 

[yellowdog]

You could have stopped after tiebreak #1

Correct. I don't get the confusion.

 

[LC512]

Player 1 (which is obviously you) is the winner. How is this even a debate?

 

[wadegarrett]

Player 1 (which is obviously you) is the winner. How is this even a debate?

 

[texasheat]

Player 2 shouldn't win for making such a dumb pick in question #4

 

[Bruce Leroy]

Yahoo has declared Player 2 the winner due to 27+17 = 44 and 28+16=44.

So basically you could choose 22-22 or 43-1 or any combination that equals 44.

 

[BroadwayG]

You may want to read Yahoo's rules again. It is correct.

Weekly Ties

In any week where two or more players finish with the same number of points, here's the system that'll be used to break the tie:

1. Closest to the total points for Monday night's game.

 

[yellowdog]

You may want to read Yahoo's rules again. It is correct.Weekly TiesIn any week where two or more players finish with the same number of points, here's the system that'll be used to break the tie:1. Closest to the total points for Monday night's game.

I would like to change my vote since I was misinformed by the OP.

 

[BroadwayG]

Yep, on OP for incorrectly presenting the tiebreaker rules.

 

[Bruce Leroy]

Then why are we selecting a score for each team instead of total points for the game?

Not misleading at all.

 

[BroadwayG]

Then why are we selecting a score for each team instead of total points for the game?Not misleading at all.

For the later Tiebreaks. You've got no case for winning the tie.

In any week where two or more players finish with the same number of points, here's the system that'll be used to break the tie:Weekly TiesIn any week where two or more players finish with the same number of points, here's the system that'll be used to break the tie:1. Closest to the total points for Monday night's game.2. Closest to the home team points for Monday night's game.3. Closest to the road team points for Monday night's game.4. Closest to the total points for selected Sunday game.5. Closest to the home team points for selected Sunday game.6. Closest to the road team points for selected Sunday game.7. Closest to the city whose team scores the most points.8. Closest to the city whose team scores the fewest points.9. Whichever user had more points in the previous week (or the week before that if still tied, etc.).

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Yahoo Pick'em contest.

4 players selected 14 games correctly this week. For ease of reading only the top 2 players will be listed (3 & 4 tiebreakers weren't close)

First Tiebreaker is Monday Night select the score for each team, not total points.

Player 1 picked Giants 27 Rams 16 (final is 28-16)

Player 2 picked Giants 27 Rams 17

2nd Tiebreaker is the Sunday Night game select the score for each team

Player 1 picked Atlanta 27 Eagles 23 (Falcons 35 Eagles 31)

Player 2 picked Eagles 27 Atlanta 23 (getting the game wrong in the process)

3rd Tiebreaker is most points scored for the week

Player 1 selected Detroit (scored 48)

Player 2 selected Houston (scored 23)

4th Tiebreaker is pick lowest points scored for the week

Player 1 selected Jacksonville (scored 3, Seattle scored 0)

Player 2 selected Atlanta (scored 35)

Who should win Shark Pool?

So player 2 thought 23 points would be the lowest score of the week?

 

[DoubleG]

Then why are we selecting a score for each team instead of total points for the game?Not misleading at all.

For the later Tiebreaks. You've got no case for winning the tie.

In any week where two or more players finish with the same number of points, here's the system that'll be used to break the tie:Weekly TiesIn any week where two or more players finish with the same number of points, here's the system that'll be used to break the tie:1. Closest to the total points for Monday night's game.2. Closest to the home team points for Monday night's game.3. Closest to the road team points for Monday night's game.4. Closest to the total points for selected Sunday game.5. Closest to the home team points for selected Sunday game.6. Closest to the road team points for selected Sunday game.7. Closest to the city whose team scores the most points.8. Closest to the city whose team scores the fewest points.9. Whichever user had more points in the previous week (or the week before that if still tied, etc.).

Changed my vote. Sorry player 1 - rules is rules. Don't like them, then play somewhere else.

 

[DoubleG]

You may want to read Yahoo's rules again. It is correct.Weekly TiesIn any week where two or more players finish with the same number of points, here's the system that'll be used to break the tie:1. Closest to the total points for Monday night's game.

I would like to change my vote since I was misinformed by the OP.

Then go ahead. Click "Delete my Vote" and revote for #2 - you know, that one that won according to Yahoo's actual rules.

 

[snapperhead]

Player 1 picked Giants 27 Rams 16 (final is 28-16)Player 2 picked Giants 27 Rams 17

27+16 =4327+17 =44Player 2 wins

 

[DoubleG]

Player 1 picked Giants 27 Rams 16 (final is 28-16)Player 2 picked Giants 27 Rams 17

27+16 =4327+17 =44Player 2 wins

I do find it funny that there were 14 votes for Player 1 before the actual rules were posted - since then all votes went to Player 2. There really should be no "dispute" - the rules and thus the results are clear.

 

[yellowdog]

You may want to read Yahoo's rules again. It is correct.Weekly TiesIn any week where two or more players finish with the same number of points, here's the system that'll be used to break the tie:1. Closest to the total points for Monday night's game.

I would like to change my vote since I was misinformed by the OP.

Then go ahead. Click "Delete my Vote" and revote for #2 - you know, that one that won according to Yahoo's actual rules.

Done.

 

[Mentos]

Player 1 picked Giants 27 Rams 16 (final is 28-16)Player 2 picked Giants 27 Rams 17

27+16 =4327+17 =44Player 2 wins

I do find it funny that there were 14 votes for Player 1 before the actual rules were posted - since then all votes went to Player 2. There really should be no "dispute" - the rules and thus the results are clear.

I voted for Player 2 before I even saw the rules. I have run pools and participated in them both at the office and at Yahoo. The tie-breakers in all those pools were total points in the Monday night game (except for one year when I was using other things such as the rushing yards for Curtis Martin or passing yardage for Kurt Warner). Picking the score for each team is just a tie-breaker for the tie-breaker.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Then why are we selecting a score for each team instead of total points for the game?Not misleading at all.

For the later Tiebreaks. You've got no case for winning the tie.

In any week where two or more players finish with the same number of points, here's the system that'll be used to break the tie:Weekly TiesIn any week where two or more players finish with the same number of points, here's the system that'll be used to break the tie:1. Closest to the total points for Monday night's game.2. Closest to the home team points for Monday night's game.3. Closest to the road team points for Monday night's game.4. Closest to the total points for selected Sunday game.5. Closest to the home team points for selected Sunday game.6. Closest to the road team points for selected Sunday game.7. Closest to the city whose team scores the most points.8. Closest to the city whose team scores the fewest points.9. Whichever user had more points in the previous week (or the week before that if still tied, etc.).

actually disagree. team 1 should win (based on the tiebreakers in listed order1.push2.push (assuming they both put 27, in one post above it seemed that one team put 28, in which case then team that picked 27 pts wins)3. team one wins as 16 is closer to 16 than 17?, but if they push on one then 2 should solve it?no need to go to add'l tiebreakers.

 

[Joe Summer]

 

[FootballGuy22]

1 is not a push, 44 vs 43, read it again. I thought the same thing at first.

 

[Bruce Leroy]

The question is not "Which player should win according to the Yahoo rules?"

The question is "Which player should win?"

The point of this thread is to reveal a flaw in the tiebreaking system.

Player 1 tiebreaker has chosen 27-16

Player 2 tiebreaker has chosen 27-17

The flaw is uncovered in this scenario. If Player 2 had 14 wins going into Monday Night, he could have chosen Rams 44 Giants 0 and still won the contest because he predicted the "total points" exactly.

Do you not see the flaw?

 

[BroadwayG]

So you find Total points not a suitable tiebreaker?

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

The question is not "Which player should win according to the Yahoo rules?"The question is "Which player should win?"The point of this thread is to reveal a flaw in the tiebreaking system.Player 1 tiebreaker has chosen 27-16Player 2 tiebreaker has chosen 27-17The flaw is uncovered in this scenario. If Player 2 had 14 wins going into Monday Night, he could have chosen Rams 44 Giants 0 and still won the contest because he predicted the "total points" exactly.Do you not see the flaw?

ptts dude. That's not a flaw. The tiebreaker is specifically defined as who can guess closest to the total points, not who can guess closest to each of the two teams' individual scores. The rule isn't flawed, you just misinterpreted it.

 

[yellowdog]

Then why are we selecting a score for each team instead of total points for the game?

Not misleading at all.

For the later Tiebreaks. You've got no case for winning the tie.

In any week where two or more players finish with the same number of points, here's the system that'll be used to break the tie:

Weekly Ties

In any week where two or more players finish with the same number of points, here's the system that'll be used to break the tie:

1. Closest to the total points for Monday night's game.

2. Closest to the home team points for Monday night's game.

3. Closest to the road team points for Monday night's game.

4. Closest to the total points for selected Sunday game.

5. Closest to the home team points for selected Sunday game.

6. Closest to the road team points for selected Sunday game.

7. Closest to the city whose team scores the most points.

8. Closest to the city whose team scores the fewest points.

9. Whichever user had more points in the previous week (or the week before that if still tied, etc.).

actually disagree. team 1 should win (based on the tiebreakers in listed order1.push X

2.push (assuming they both put 27, in one post above it seemed that one team put 28, in which case then team that picked 27 pts wins)

3. team one wins as 16 is closer to 16 than 17?, but if they push on one then 2 should solve it?

no need to go to add'l tiebreakers.

27+16 < 28+1627+17 = 28+16

Player 2 wins on total points tie breaker.

 

[Bruce Leroy]

So you find Total points not a suitable tiebreaker?

Total points is fine as a tiebreaker, when it's presented as a single field to enter a total points number for the final score of the game. In this case you need to choose a score for each team, misrepresenting the tiebreaker.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

So you find Total points not a suitable tiebreaker?

Total points is fine as a tiebreaker, when it's presented as a single field to enter a total points number for the final score of the game. In this case you need to choose a score for each team, misrepresenting the tiebreaker.

No, you need to choose a score for each team for the purposes of the second tiebreaker. The rules are clear. Either you didn't read them, or read them but misunderstood them, but either way it's pretty much a classic case of Live and learn.

 

[BroadwayG]

So you find Total points not a suitable tiebreaker?

Total points is fine as a tiebreaker, when it's presented as a single field to enter a total points number for the final score of the game. In this case you need to choose a score for each team, misrepresenting the tiebreaker.

I'll admit that without reading the rules, one could make false assumptions based on the entry input method. But once you read the rules, it's obvious that you need to enter the team scores for 2nd/3rd tiebreak, with the sum of those the 1st tiebreak.

 

[DoubleG]

The question is not "Which player should win according to the Yahoo rules?"

The question is "Which player should win?"

The point of this thread is to reveal a flaw in the tiebreaking system.

Player 1 tiebreaker has chosen 27-16

Player 2 tiebreaker has chosen 27-17

The flaw is uncovered in this scenario. If Player 2 had 14 wins going into Monday Night, he could have chosen Rams 44 Giants 0 and still won the contest because he predicted the "total points" exactly.

Do you not see the flaw?

ptts dude. That's not a flaw. The tiebreaker is specifically defined as who can guess closest to the total points, not who can guess closest to each of the two teams' individual scores. The rule isn't flawed, you just misinterpreted itdidn't read it then came here to post a poll to try to defend your point, misrepresenting the facts then going through some convoluted backtracking to try to attempt to change what your original intention was.

FYP.

 

[sho nuff]

You may want to read Yahoo's rules again. It is correct.Weekly TiesIn any week where two or more players finish with the same number of points, here's the system that'll be used to break the tie:1. Closest to the total points for Monday night's game.

I would like to change my vote since I was misinformed by the OP.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Do you not see the flaw?

I see the flaw that YOU want to see, if that helps.

 

[GreenNGold]

Yahoo Pick'em contest.

4 players selected 14 games correctly this week. For ease of reading only the top 2 players will be listed (3 & 4 tiebreakers weren't close)

First Tiebreaker is Monday Night select the score for each team, not total points.

Player 1 picked Giants 27 Rams 16 (final is 28-16)

Player 2 picked Giants 27 Rams 17

2nd Tiebreaker is the Sunday Night game select the score for each team

Player 1 picked Atlanta 27 Eagles 23 (Falcons 35 Eagles 31)

Player 2 picked Eagles 27 Atlanta 23 (getting the game wrong in the process)

3rd Tiebreaker is most points scored for the week

Player 1 selected Detroit (scored 48)

Player 2 selected Houston (scored 23)

4th Tiebreaker is pick lowest points scored for the week

Player 1 selected Jacksonville (scored 3, Seattle scored 0)

Player 2 selected Atlanta (scored 35)

Who should win Shark Pool?

So player 2 thought 23 points would be the lowest score of the week?

This needs more love.