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They included:

Allowing down-by-contact calls to be reviewed by replay to determine if the ball came out before the ball carrier was down, and who recovered it. In the past, those plays were not reviewable when officials ruled the whistle had ended the play.

Prohibiting pass rushers from hitting a passer in the knee or below unless they are blocked into him. The officiating department showed low hits that caused serious injuries to Cincinnati's Palmer, Pittsburgh's Ben Roethlisberger and Tampa Bay's Brian Griese, although in all cases, those would not draw penalties because the rushers were blocked in such a way that they could not avoid the hits.

Toughening the horse-collar rule enacted last season. It now bans tacklers from taking down ball carriers from the rear by tugging inside their jerseys. Last year's rule required that the tackler's hand got inside the runner's shoulder pads. Only two horse-collars were called in 2005 and the officiating department said one was an incorrect call.

Prohibiting defensive players from lining up directly over center on field-goal and extra-point attempts to avoid injuries to long snappers.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9345607

Also mentioned was regarding celebrating in the endzone which I believe has already been discussed here.

On NFLNetwork I also saw that a team cannot overload one side of the field on onside kicks anymore. I've yet to find a link. Interview with Fisher and he said it could force teams to be more creative like faking kicking one way and kicking the other and such.

 
I think they were kind to Roy when instilling the horse collar rule too. I don't think they want to beat a player up/single him out when instilling a rule. Hardly the purpose

 
On NFLNetwork I also saw that a team cannot overload one side of the field on onside kicks anymore. I've yet to find a link. Interview with Fisher and he said it could force teams to be more creative like faking kicking one way and kicking the other and such.
Here is the linkFrom the article:

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Other little changes for safety included trying to limit the number of re-kicks by giving the kicking team more chances to take penalties after kicks. That ended a three-year process of minimizing the number of special teams kicks that are violent and risky for injury. The owners also prohibited kicking teams from loading up one side of the field on free kicks.
So it is only on Free Kicks that the team can't load up one side? After a Safety? :shrug:
 
On NFLNetwork I also saw that a team cannot overload one side of the field on onside kicks anymore. I've yet to find a link. Interview with Fisher and he said it could force teams to be more creative like faking kicking one way and kicking the other and such.
Here is the linkFrom the article:

Other little changes for safety included trying to limit the number of re-kicks by giving the kicking team more chances to take penalties after kicks. That ended a three-year process of minimizing the number of special teams kicks that are violent and risky for injury. The owners also prohibited kicking teams from loading up one side of the field on free kicks.So it is only on Free Kicks that the team can't load up one side? After a Safety? :shrug:
Thanks for the infoI'm guessing that author's use of free kicks means off a tee. Such as NFLNetwork is, I saw the show again and Fisher definitely said that about kickoffs

 
They included:

Allowing down-by-contact calls to be reviewed by replay to determine if the ball came out before the ball carrier was down, and who recovered it. In the past, those plays were not reviewable when officials ruled the whistle had ended the play.

Prohibiting pass rushers from hitting a passer in the knee or below unless they are blocked into him. The officiating department showed low hits that caused serious injuries to Cincinnati's Palmer, Pittsburgh's Ben Roethlisberger and Tampa Bay's Brian Griese, although in all cases, those would not draw penalties because the rushers were blocked in such a way that they could not avoid the hits.

Toughening the horse-collar rule enacted last season. It now bans tacklers from taking down ball carriers from the rear by tugging inside their jerseys. Last year's rule required that the tackler's hand got inside the runner's shoulder pads. Only two horse-collars were called in 2005 and the officiating department said one was an incorrect call.

Prohibiting defensive players from lining up directly over center on field-goal and extra-point attempts to avoid injuries to long snappers.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9345607

Also mentioned was regarding celebrating in the endzone which I believe has already been discussed here.

On NFLNetwork I also saw that a team cannot overload one side of the field on onside kicks anymore. I've yet to find a link. Interview with Fisher and he said it could force teams to be more creative like faking kicking one way and kicking the other and such.
I think anyone who has ever watched an NFL replay will rejoice that the stupid down by contact/whistle already blew - no review allowed calls are going :bye: :bye: :bye:
I disagree. This was a horrible decision. Now you're going to have players playing after the whistle all the time. It's going to not only prolong games but create the potential for injury. Now if a player has even a whiff that it may have been a fumble they're going to scoop the ball up and run all the way to the endzone. Or someone is going to walk over to a ball that the offensive player has tossed on the ground after being tackled and someone else is going to destroy that guy thinking he's trying to pickup a fumble.
 
They included:

Allowing down-by-contact calls to be reviewed by replay to determine if the ball came out before the ball carrier was down, and who recovered it. In the past, those plays were not reviewable when officials ruled the whistle had ended the play.

Prohibiting pass rushers from hitting a passer in the knee or below unless they are blocked into him. The officiating department showed low hits that caused serious injuries to Cincinnati's Palmer, Pittsburgh's Ben Roethlisberger and Tampa Bay's Brian Griese, although in all cases, those would not draw penalties because the rushers were blocked in such a way that they could not avoid the hits.

Toughening the horse-collar rule enacted last season. It now bans tacklers from taking down ball carriers from the rear by tugging inside their jerseys. Last year's rule required that the tackler's hand got inside the runner's shoulder pads. Only two horse-collars were called in 2005 and the officiating department said one was an incorrect call.

Prohibiting defensive players from lining up directly over center on field-goal and extra-point attempts to avoid injuries to long snappers.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9345607

Also mentioned was regarding celebrating in the endzone which I believe has already been discussed here.

On NFLNetwork I also saw that a team cannot overload one side of the field on onside kicks anymore. I've yet to find a link. Interview with Fisher and he said it could force teams to be more creative like faking kicking one way and kicking the other and such.
I think anyone who has ever watched an NFL replay will rejoice that the stupid down by contact/whistle already blew - no review allowed calls are going :bye: :bye: :bye:
I disagree. This was a horrible decision. Now you're going to have players playing after the whistle all the time. It's going to not only prolong games but create the potential for injury. Now if a player has even a whiff that it may have been a fumble they're going to scoop the ball up and run all the way to the endzone. Or someone is going to walk over to a ball that the offensive player has tossed on the ground after being tackled and someone else is going to destroy that guy thinking he's trying to pickup a fumble.
They may jump on to the ball, but I'm sure you cannot advance after the recovery of the ball - since the whistle has blown.
 
They included:

Allowing down-by-contact calls to be reviewed by replay to determine if the ball came out before the ball carrier was down, and who recovered it. In the past, those plays were not reviewable when officials ruled the whistle had ended the play.

Prohibiting pass rushers from hitting a passer in the knee or below unless they are blocked into him. The officiating department showed low hits that caused serious injuries to Cincinnati's Palmer, Pittsburgh's Ben Roethlisberger and Tampa Bay's Brian Griese, although in all cases, those would not draw penalties because the rushers were blocked in such a way that they could not avoid the hits.

Toughening the horse-collar rule enacted last season. It now bans tacklers from taking down ball carriers from the rear by tugging inside their jerseys. Last year's rule required that the tackler's hand got inside the runner's shoulder pads. Only two horse-collars were called in 2005 and the officiating department said one was an incorrect call.

Prohibiting defensive players from lining up directly over center on field-goal and extra-point attempts to avoid injuries to long snappers.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9345607

Also mentioned was regarding celebrating in the endzone which I believe has already been discussed here.

On NFLNetwork I also saw that a team cannot overload one side of the field on onside kicks anymore. I've yet to find a link. Interview with Fisher and he said it could force teams to be more creative like faking kicking one way and kicking the other and such.
I think anyone who has ever watched an NFL replay will rejoice that the stupid down by contact/whistle already blew - no review allowed calls are going :bye: :bye: :bye:
So does this mean all 'late hit' calls are obsolete?
 
They included:

Allowing down-by-contact calls to be reviewed by replay to determine if the ball came out before the ball carrier was down, and who recovered it. In the past, those plays were not reviewable when officials ruled the whistle had ended the play.

Prohibiting pass rushers from hitting a passer in the knee or below unless they are blocked into him. The officiating department showed low hits that caused serious injuries to Cincinnati's Palmer, Pittsburgh's Ben Roethlisberger and Tampa Bay's Brian Griese, although in all cases, those would not draw penalties because the rushers were blocked in such a way that they could not avoid the hits.

Toughening the horse-collar rule enacted last season. It now bans tacklers from taking down ball carriers from the rear by tugging inside their jerseys. Last year's rule required that the tackler's hand got inside the runner's shoulder pads. Only two horse-collars were called in 2005 and the officiating department said one was an incorrect call.

Prohibiting defensive players from lining up directly over center on field-goal and extra-point attempts to avoid injuries to long snappers.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9345607

Also mentioned was regarding celebrating in the endzone which I believe has already been discussed here.

On NFLNetwork I also saw that a team cannot overload one side of the field on onside kicks anymore. I've yet to find a link. Interview with Fisher and he said it could force teams to be more creative like faking kicking one way and kicking the other and such.
I think anyone who has ever watched an NFL replay will rejoice that the stupid down by contact/whistle already blew - no review allowed calls are going :bye: :bye: :bye:
So does this mean all 'late hit' calls are obsolete?
I did not hear of a "continuation rule" like the NBA has. I'm guessing redo the down.
 
I think anyone who has ever watched an NFL replay will rejoice that the stupid down by contact/whistle already blew - no review allowed calls are going  :bye:   :bye:   :bye:
So does this mean all 'late hit' calls are obsolete?
Why would all late hit calls be obsolete? Could you elaborate on this?
Because if action on the field is subject to review after the whistle blows, then why should players stop playing when the whistle is blown? :shrug: Just seems like having both rules is a contradiction.

 
Because if action on the field is subject to review after the whistle blows, then why should players stop playing when the whistle is blown?

:shrug: Just seems like having both rules is a contradiction.
Come on, blue, this rule change won't affect the vast majority of late hits -- hitting a runner after he's stepping out of bounds, pilling on a player after he's already lying on a ground etc. The whistle is pretty irrelevant in most of these.
 
Because if action on the field is subject to review after the whistle blows, then why should players stop playing when the whistle is blown?

:shrug:   Just seems like having both rules is a contradiction.
Come on, blue, this rule change won't affect the vast majority of late hits -- hitting a runner after he's stepping out of bounds, pilling on a player after he's already lying on a ground etc. The whistle is pretty irrelevant in most of these.
Exactly. Any leniency given on playing after the whistle will be done mostly when determining whether a players knee was down or not. You will only see players going after the whistle for loose balls on the ground, things of that nature. Which players often do now anyway. Players will have no problem stopping their play when the whistle blows...they are already conditioned to do this in both games and practices. This will not change in that respect...The fines and suspensions are what prevent late hits. Along with their Coaches and teams intolerance of it...
The new rule states that a recovering team would get teh ball from the spot of the recovery and not gain any yards during a run after the whistle etc.
 
Because if action on the field is subject to review after the whistle blows, then why should players stop playing when the whistle is blown?

:shrug: Just seems like having both rules is a contradiction.
Come on, blue, this rule change won't affect the vast majority of late hits -- hitting a runner after he's stepping out of bounds, pilling on a player after he's already lying on a ground etc. The whistle is pretty irrelevant in most of these.
To me it just doesn't seem to work. What if a running back is carrying the ball, his knee hits and the ball pops out at the same time. In addition, the whistle is also blown. What are the players to do? Did the whistle mean anything?For myself (being an antagonist), if saw a fumble at the same time I heard a whistle, I would look for the first guy who stopped playing at the whistle and pop him one and claim I was trying to help our team recover the football in case the play was reviewed.

:shrug: I say I would do this, but it is all talk. But it does open the door.

 
bump just because i didn't know if everyone was aware of these changes....i wasn't

Defensive players may not deliver a “forcible blow” to a quarterback in the knee or below unless they are blocked into him or the passer has left the pocket.

Down-by-contact plays will be subject to instant replay review. If the referee can determine the ball was fumbled before the ball carrier was down and the defense recovered it, then the defense will be awarded the ball at the spot of the recovery.

The time allotted for a referee to conduct a replay review has been cut from 90 seconds to 60.

The horse-collar rule has been toughened. Tacklers are banned from taking down ball carriers from the rear by tugging inside their jerseys.

 
They included:

Allowing down-by-contact calls to be reviewed by replay to determine if the ball came out before the ball carrier was down, and who recovered it. In the past, those plays were not reviewable when officials ruled the whistle had ended the play.

Prohibiting pass rushers from hitting a passer in the knee or below unless they are blocked into him. The officiating department showed low hits that caused serious injuries to Cincinnati's Palmer, Pittsburgh's Ben Roethlisberger and Tampa Bay's Brian Griese, although in all cases, those would not draw penalties because the rushers were blocked in such a way that they could not avoid the hits.

Toughening the horse-collar rule enacted last season. It now bans tacklers from taking down ball carriers from the rear by tugging inside their jerseys. Last year's rule required that the tackler's hand got inside the runner's shoulder pads. Only two horse-collars were called in 2005 and the officiating department said one was an incorrect call.

Prohibiting defensive players from lining up directly over center on field-goal and extra-point attempts to avoid injuries to long snappers.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9345607

Also mentioned was regarding celebrating in the endzone which I believe has already been discussed here.

On NFLNetwork I also saw that a team cannot overload one side of the field on onside kicks anymore. I've yet to find a link. Interview with Fisher and he said it could force teams to be more creative like faking kicking one way and kicking the other and such.
I think anyone who has ever watched an NFL replay will rejoice that the stupid down by contact/whistle already blew - no review allowed calls are going :bye: :bye: :bye:
I disagree. This was a horrible decision. Now you're going to have players playing after the whistle all the time. It's going to not only prolong games but create the potential for injury. Now if a player has even a whiff that it may have been a fumble they're going to scoop the ball up and run all the way to the endzone. Or someone is going to walk over to a ball that the offensive player has tossed on the ground after being tackled and someone else is going to destroy that guy thinking he's trying to pickup a fumble.
I think most players are too lazy to want to do that
 
A few more interesting tidbits (and a few things that were already discussed):

NEW RULES: I keep forgetting to put these up, but I wanted to make sure I did before the first preseason games so here goes.

When the officials were at training camp they also held a seminar on the rules changes and situations that may be called differently this season. Here they are.

1. They will be more picky about calling holding this year. A guy is going to need some part of his opponent's jersey in his hand basically. So in all likelihood there should be fewer holding calls.

2. Any hit at or below the knee of the quarterback is illegal.

3. The illegal horse collar tackle will include any tackle made using the shoulder pads back by the shoulder blades to bring down a player.

4. All kickoffs (including onsides kicks) must have at least four players on one side of the football.

5. No excessive celebration or it will be flagged (see: any Chad Johnson performance).

6. No trash talking or taunting. If any one player goes up to another pressing facemask to facemask to jaw a little there will be a flag.

7. Under the replay rules, down by contact is now reviewable, but the ball can't be advanced. So if a team recovers what looked like a fumble and took it back for a touchdown and the official rules down by contact. The team that recovered the ball can now challenge the down by contact ruling on the field. However, the best they can do is win possession if the ruling on the field is overturned. The ball cannot be advanced, so they would not be awarded the touchdown or any yardage gained from the spot.

Now you're ready for some football.
LINKThe holding stuff is pretty interesting and I had read about the kickoff stuff but forgot to post anything about it.

 
Toughening the horse-collar rule enacted last season. It now bans tacklers from taking down ball carriers from the rear by tugging inside their jerseys. Last year's rule required that the tackler's hand got inside the runner's shoulder pads. Only two horse-collars were called in 2005 and the officiating department said one was an incorrect call.
The inside the shoulder pad requirement is why Porter's tackle of Alexander in the Super Bowl was correctly NOT called a penalty. Of course, John Madden and Al Michaels thought it should be a penalty. So the masses chalked it up as yet another bad call by those biased referees.
 
2. Any hit at or below the knee of the quarterback is illegal.
that's only in the pocket right?
Does that include "hits" in which the defensive player is pushed into the QB? What about a player who loses his balance? How hard does a "hit" need to be? What about a tap?It's still going to come down to some level of subjectivity by the officials. The definition of holding may be changed, but there's still a certain gray area. It isn't simply black and white. So there will still be plenty of chances for fans to complain. It's all good, however.
 
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