Somebody explain to me again... (1 Viewer)

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

-- In 16 previous seasons, his team has had a winning record 6 times.

-- Team hasn't won a playoff game since 2003.

-- The last 2 times in the playoffs they were 1 and done.

-- In a franchise that has seen remarkable stability, he has never been able to get over the hump.

-- He has significant control, yet his personnel decisions continue to plague the on field product.

-- Recent 2nd round draft picks include Chris Henry, Lendale White, Ben Troupe, and Tyrone Calico.

-- Recent 3rd rounders were Calvin Lowry, Ryan Mouton, Paul Williams, Rich Gardner, and Shad Meier.

-- Recent 1st round busts -- Pacman Jones and Andre Woolfolk.

-- Perhaps one of the worst things is the way he treats players at the end of their careers or tenure with the Titans Kyle Vandenbosch, Keith Bulluck, Kevin Mawae are just recent examples of where he and the team lied to publicly state that they were in contact with the players and agents but privately completely ignored them and left them to blow in the wind. I'm not saying the decisions were wrong but the way they were handled was idiotic.

Folks in Tennessee are moving beyond the recent grumbling into a mild uprising. The speculation is that he is trying to get fired. Don't know if I buy that but I do think his time here is dwindling.

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

It's the mustache

 

[apalmer]

Define "everyone"

 

[vandyt]

-- In 16 previous seasons, his team has had a winning record 6 times.-- Team hasn't won a playoff game since 2003.-- The last 2 times in the playoffs they were 1 and done.-- In a franchise that has seen remarkable stability, he has never been able to get over the hump.-- He has significant control, yet his personnel decisions continue to plague the on field product. -- Recent 2nd round draft picks include Chris Henry, Lendale White, Ben Troupe, and Tyrone Calico. -- Recent 3rd rounders were Calvin Lowry, Ryan Mouton, Paul Williams, Rich Gardner, and Shad Meier. -- Recent 1st round busts -- Pacman Jones and Andre Woolfolk.-- Perhaps one of the worst things is the way he treats players at the end of their careers or tenure with the Titans Kyle Vandenbosch, Keith Bulluck, Kevin Mawae are just recent examples of where he and the team lied to publicly state that they were in contact with the players and agents but privately completely ignored them and left them to blow in the wind. I'm not saying the decisions were wrong but the way they were handled was idiotic.Folks in Tennessee are moving beyond the recent grumbling into a mild uprising. The speculation is that he is trying to get fired. Don't know if I buy that but I do think his time here is dwindling.

Can you define "significant control" in regards to personnel? He sure didn't have it when Reese was there, and doesn't have it now with Reinfeldt. I don't know how you can factually state that Fisher "lied" to players at the end of their careers. What information are you privy to that the rest of us and the media aren't? KVB was horribly overpaid to go to DET after his last 2 years were injury-plagued and generally terrible. Mawae was a pariah given his status with the NFLPA, and Bulluck wasn't willing to come back to TEN as a backup, which he certainly would have been, coming of an ACL surgery at 34. I don't know how you can call the way those situations were handled "idiotic". He's had plenty of chances to leave, and probably had the opportunity to resign after the season that gave TEN the draft pick high enough to get Vince Young (when he was said to want Cutler). I'll give you the string of mediocre seasons, but the rest of this just sounds silly.

 

[EBF]

How many of those draft picks were his fault? I don't follow Tennessee closely, so I don't really know how much say Fisher has on the team's personnel moves.

I think Fisher is a great coach because he gets the most out of the talent on his teams. With a few notable exceptions, the Titans have a piss poor record in the draft and in free agency. Despite that, they remain a competitive franchise almost every season. I give the credit to Fisher. Put him on a team that doesn't squander its draft picks and they would be a perennial contender.

 

[Ice Cream Man]

Vince Young needs to ride the bench - he teases the front office with brilliance but he's not the answer. Way too inconsistent and unpredictable. Collins gives us the best chance to win. We need a competent passing attack, with a qb with fairly good instincts, more than another running threat.

 

[Babu Bhatt2]

His teams are almost always competitive. With the exception of his first season (where he was handed the job midway through the year) and a two year stretch from 2004-2005 when the team was terrible, the Oilers/Titans have always been at least 7-9 under his tenure. That's 13 out of 15 seasons of being in the playoff race into December, including many teams that overachieved.

 

[Doug Drinen]

-- In 16 previous seasons, his team has had a winning record 6 times.

...and a losing record 4 times.[not saying Fisher is the man, I just thought that stat was a tad misleading.]

 

[No Way Jose]

Chris Johnson was a pretty good pick. Does Fisher get credit for the good ones too?

I think Fisher does well with what he has, but we have had some bad luck in the draft at times. How much of that is him, I don't know.

I personally don't think that any qb on the roster is the answer. I would like them to go in an entire different direction next year if at all possible.

 

[FavreCo]

Because he wins with no QB.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Fisher does more with less than any coach in the league. I think he's one of the top five coaches in the league.

 

[coolnerd]

This comes up every year. Fisher has around a .550 record which averages out to around 9-7 a year coach with one Superbowl appearance. If Lovie smith and John Fox stay at thier jobs for 15 years they are on a trajectory to have a smilar record and neither is regarded as "the best coaches in the game." The difference is we are supposed accept the very subjective idea "that he gets more out his players" or "that did not have the same level talent" that others did during this time. Honestly, I can't argue against either of these because really there is no real way to prove or disprove either of those in any significant objective manner.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

He should have left for another team a few years ago. I do think he needs a fresh start somewhere or needs a team that is ready to win. I could see him taking over the Giants and doing very well there.

He had Steve McNair from the time he came into the league and did a great job of allowing the guy to carry a clipboard for 2 years until he was ready...now you just can't do that with most QBs.

Owner allowed him to keep going because the team was very close to the playoffs and then he had a nice run with Eddie George culminating in a Super Bowl appearance, the first and only Titans appearance in a Super Bowl. Also along the way the Colts came in and took over the division for the most part.

The Titans are never an easy win but when they have been bad the owner usually admitted that they turned over the roster and didn't expect all that much. It's definitely time for him to move on but I think most TN fans will miss him when he is gone. Jeff follows orders pretty well from the front offfice too which they like...owner makes money, team is competitive, ain't broke don't fix it.

 

[SSOG]

How many of those draft picks were his fault? I don't follow Tennessee closely, so I don't really know how much say Fisher has on the team's personnel moves.

I think Fisher is a great coach because he gets the most out of the talent on his teams. With a few notable exceptions, the Titans have a piss poor record in the draft and in free agency. Despite that, they remain a competitive franchise almost every season. I give the credit to Fisher. Put him on a team that doesn't squander its draft picks and they would be a perennial contender.

I never thought Fisher was one of the "total control" coaches. The only thing I remember regarding his personnel choices was back in the 2006 draft when Tennessee was taking a QB. I hear Bud Grant wanted Vince Young, Norm Chow wanted Matt Leinart, and Jeff Fisher wanted Jay Cutler. Can't help but think that the Titans would be a lot better off right now if Jeff Fisher had more control over personnel.

 

[vandyt]

How many of those draft picks were his fault? I don't follow Tennessee closely, so I don't really know how much say Fisher has on the team's personnel moves.

I think Fisher is a great coach because he gets the most out of the talent on his teams. With a few notable exceptions, the Titans have a piss poor record in the draft and in free agency. Despite that, they remain a competitive franchise almost every season. I give the credit to Fisher. Put him on a team that doesn't squander its draft picks and they would be a perennial contender.

I never thought Fisher was one of the "total control" coaches. The only thing I remember regarding his personnel choices was back in the 2006 draft when Tennessee was taking a QB. I hear Bud Grant wanted Vince Young, Norm Chow wanted Matt Leinart, and Jeff Fisher wanted Jay Cutler. Can't help but think that the Titans would be a lot better off right now if Jeff Fisher had more control over personnel.

Bud Adams, but yeah, thats what everyone was told at least. In addition, Floyd Reese was also said to be in the Leinart camp.

 

[thecardiackid]

Fisher does more with less than any coach in the league. I think he's one of the top five coaches in the league.

I wish he'd come and screw things up in CLE for 10 years.

 

[gpthatsme]

-- In 16 previous seasons, his team has had a winning record 6 times.

-- Team hasn't won a playoff game since 2003.

-- The last 2 times in the playoffs they were 1 and done.

-- In a franchise that has seen remarkable stability, he has never been able to get over the hump.

-- He has significant control, yet his personnel decisions continue to plague the on field product.

-- Recent 2nd round draft picks include Chris Henry, Lendale White, Ben Troupe, and Tyrone Calico.

-- Recent 3rd rounders were Calvin Lowry, Ryan Mouton, Paul Williams, Rich Gardner, and Shad Meier.

-- Recent 1st round busts -- Pacman Jones and Andre Woolfolk.

-- Perhaps one of the worst things is the way he treats players at the end of their careers or tenure with the Titans Kyle Vandenbosch, Keith Bulluck, Kevin Mawae are just recent examples of where he and the team lied to publicly state that they were in contact with the players and agents but privately completely ignored them and left them to blow in the wind. I'm not saying the decisions were wrong but the way they were handled was idiotic.

Folks in Tennessee are moving beyond the recent grumbling into a mild uprising. The speculation is that he is trying to get fired. Don't know if I buy that but I do think his time here is dwindling.

You answered your own question.

 

[SSOG]

How many of those draft picks were his fault? I don't follow Tennessee closely, so I don't really know how much say Fisher has on the team's personnel moves.

I think Fisher is a great coach because he gets the most out of the talent on his teams. With a few notable exceptions, the Titans have a piss poor record in the draft and in free agency. Despite that, they remain a competitive franchise almost every season. I give the credit to Fisher. Put him on a team that doesn't squander its draft picks and they would be a perennial contender.

I never thought Fisher was one of the "total control" coaches. The only thing I remember regarding his personnel choices was back in the 2006 draft when Tennessee was taking a QB. I hear Bud Grant wanted Vince Young, Norm Chow wanted Matt Leinart, and Jeff Fisher wanted Jay Cutler. Can't help but think that the Titans would be a lot better off right now if Jeff Fisher had more control over personnel.

Bud Adams, but yeah, thats what everyone was told at least. In addition, Floyd Reese was also said to be in the Leinart camp.

Thanks.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Because Fisher never puts a terrible team out there.

Seeming like NFL owners would much rather mediocrity than the chance at being really good with the risk of being really bad. Which is why so many average-below average coaches get 2nd, 3rd, and even 4th chances to fail again.

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

Fisher wanted Leinart, too, which would have been worse than Vince.

Fisher was the one campaigning to take Pacman. This is generally acknowledged, then and now, as fact.

Argue all you want about the role of the GM here, but I'm telling you that Fisher is the last word on personnel. Paul Williams, Chris Henry, Woolfolk, Lendale, all those I listed. He's the one that went into last season with NO ONE on the roster to return punts/kickoffs. He started Collins, playing dreadfully, to an 0-6 start until Bud made him play VY who then went 8-2. Frankly, he still holds this against VY. That was why he pulled him vs the Steelers and why he won't let him throw it now.

In 16 years, if you were a top 5 coach, wouldn't you have some top notch coaches that had moved on to success? Name 1. Verdict is out on Schwartz. Gregg Williams blew in Buffalo. Yes, doing good in N.O. but that is lateral. The team consistently is weak in special teams other than having a good punter and kicker -- but coverage and returning always stinks.

I'm just sayin'.

 

[Matt Waldman]

Where did you hear Fisher wanted Leinart? That's not what I heard at all.

 

[Clifford]

-- In 16 previous seasons, his team has had a winning record 6 times.

...and a losing record 4 times.[not saying Fisher is the man, I just thought that stat was a tad misleading.]

so he broke even six times?

 

[No Way Jose]

Fisher wanted Leinart, too, which would have been worse than Vince.Fisher was the one campaigning to take Pacman. This is generally acknowledged, then and now, as fact.Argue all you want about the role of the GM here, but I'm telling you that Fisher is the last word on personnel. Paul Williams, Chris Henry, Woolfolk, Lendale, all those I listed. He's the one that went into last season with NO ONE on the roster to return punts/kickoffs. He started Collins, playing dreadfully, to an 0-6 start until Bud made him play VY who then went 8-2. Frankly, he still holds this against VY. That was why he pulled him vs the Steelers and why he won't let him throw it now. In 16 years, if you were a top 5 coach, wouldn't you have some top notch coaches that had moved on to success? Name 1. Verdict is out on Schwartz. Gregg Williams blew in Buffalo. Yes, doing good in N.O. but that is lateral. The team consistently is weak in special teams other than having a good punter and kicker -- but coverage and returning always stinks.I'm just sayin'.

There is so much wrong here.

 

[Da Guru]

Vince Young needs to ride the bench - he teases the front office with brilliance but he's not the answer. Way too inconsistent and unpredictable. Collins gives us the best chance to win. We need a competent passing attack, with a qb with fairly good instincts, more than another running threat.

Fish never wanted Vince Young.

 

[kevzilla]

Go ahead, Titans fans. Run Fisher off to Dallas. He will win, and win, and win.

 

[benbadman]

Go ahead, Titans fans. Run Fisher off to Dallas. He will win, and win, and win.

:X

 

[humpback]

Vince Young needs to ride the bench - he teases the front office with brilliance but he's not the answer. Way too inconsistent and unpredictable. Collins gives us the best chance to win. We need a competent passing attack, with a qb with fairly good instincts, more than another running threat.

Last year's record would indicate otherwise.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Fisher is a good coach, but he is definitely way overrated. Five playoff wins, IIRC, in 16 seasons is pretty weak sauce.

Heck, his owner basically had to tell him to put Vince Young back in last year, otherwise who knows how the 0-6 freefalling Titans would have ended up.

As for getting more out of less, give me a break.

 

[Touchdown There]

For me, it is the snazzy stash and mini mullet combo. http://multimedia.premierespeakers.com/speaker/web/413.jpg

 

[SSOG]

Where did you hear Fisher wanted Leinart? That's not what I heard at all.

Same here. I heard there was a lot of friction between Fisher and Norm because Norm really wanted Leinart and Fisher really didn't.

In 16 years, if you were a top 5 coach, wouldn't you have some top notch coaches that had moved on to success? Name 1. Verdict is out on Schwartz. Gregg Williams blew in Buffalo. Yes, doing good in N.O. but that is lateral. The team consistently is weak in special teams other than having a good punter and kicker -- but coverage and returning always stinks.

Bill Belichick must not be a top-5 coach, then. The only branches on his coaching tree are Charlie Weis (who flamed out at Notre Dame), Romeo Crennel (who was terrible in Cleveland), Eric Mangini (who was just run out of New York), Nick Saban (who was 15-17 in the pros before bolting back to college), and Josh McDaniels (who is the butt of almost as many jokes as Al Davis at this point).

 

[shredhead]

He should have left for another team a few years ago. I do think he needs a fresh start somewhere or needs a team that is ready to win. I could see him taking over the Giants and doing very well there.

He had Steve McNair from the time he came into the league and did a great job of allowing the guy to carry a clipboard for 2 years until he was ready...now you just can't do that with most QBs.

Owner allowed him to keep going because the team was very close to the playoffs and then he had a nice run with Eddie George culminating in a Super Bowl appearance, the first and only Titans appearance in a Super Bowl. Also along the way the Colts came in and took over the division for the most part.

The Titans are never an easy win but when they have been bad the owner usually admitted that they turned over the roster and didn't expect all that much. It's definitely time for him to move on but I think most TN fans will miss him when he is gone. Jeff follows orders pretty well from the front offfice too which they like...owner makes money, team is competitive, ain't broke don't fix it.

I think the bolded is spot on. It's the same situation that Mike Shanahan was in with Denver. As a Bronco fan, I knew it was time for Mike to go, but I miss him. I know what Titan fans are going through right now.

 

[SSOG]

He should have left for another team a few years ago. I do think he needs a fresh start somewhere or needs a team that is ready to win. I could see him taking over the Giants and doing very well there.

He had Steve McNair from the time he came into the league and did a great job of allowing the guy to carry a clipboard for 2 years until he was ready...now you just can't do that with most QBs.

Owner allowed him to keep going because the team was very close to the playoffs and then he had a nice run with Eddie George culminating in a Super Bowl appearance, the first and only Titans appearance in a Super Bowl. Also along the way the Colts came in and took over the division for the most part.

The Titans are never an easy win but when they have been bad the owner usually admitted that they turned over the roster and didn't expect all that much. It's definitely time for him to move on but I think most TN fans will miss him when he is gone. Jeff follows orders pretty well from the front offfice too which they like...owner makes money, team is competitive, ain't broke don't fix it.

I think the bolded is spot on. It's the same situation that Mike Shanahan was in with Denver. As a Bronco fan, I knew it was time for Mike to go, but I miss him. I know what Titan fans are going through right now.

Many Pittsburgh fans thought it was time for Bill Cowher to move on in 2000. They thought it again in 2003.

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

Speaking of Fisher and qbs... I hear he's a Peyton Manning fan. Cut the guy some slack. He just loves to "feel like a winner."

 

[ahill84006]

Where did you hear Fisher wanted Leinart? That's not what I heard at all.

I agree. From what I remember hearing, it was a three-headed monster. Fish wanted Cutler (Coached him at Sr Bowl), Norm Chow wanted Leinart (familiar with him from USC), and in the end Bud got the final say with VY.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Vince Young needs to ride the bench - he teases the front office with brilliance but he's not the answer. Way too inconsistent and unpredictable. Collins gives us the best chance to win. We need a competent passing attack, with a qb with fairly good instincts, more than another running threat.

yeah, he was killin' it last year

 

[Matt Waldman]

I have a taped interview with Greg Cosell of NFL Films fame. I asked him about the Titans QB situation on that particular draft day and I told him my thoughts, which in essence were:

Fisher and scouts wanted Cutler. Owner wanted Young. OC wanted Leinart.

Cosell said to me that he knew a lot about that particular situation and that I was essentially correct.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I have a taped interview with Greg Cosell of NFL Films fame. I asked him about the Titans QB situation on that particular draft day and I told him my thoughts, which in essence were: Fisher and scouts wanted Cutler. Owner wanted Young. OC wanted Leinart. Cosell said to me that he knew a lot about that particular situation and that I was essentially correct.

one more demerit for fisher.

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

I have a taped interview with Greg Cosell of NFL Films fame. I asked him about the Titans QB situation on that particular draft day and I told him my thoughts, which in essence were: Fisher and scouts wanted Cutler. Owner wanted Young. OC wanted Leinart. Cosell said to me that he knew a lot about that particular situation and that I was essentially correct.

That is not the word here. Regardless, VY has a significantly better winning % than the other two. Had Fish got his way, who knows, but nothing indicates that our QB situation would be improved had he got the player he wanted.Nevertheless, you have him...let the man play. What the Titans are doing now is the equivalent of a pitcher in a tied game, with a runner on first, throwing to first repeatedly because you are afraid to make a pitch.Could the Titans do worse than Fisher? Of course. Could they do better? You have to take that chance to find out. Or...just keep Fish and stay about 8-8 forever.

 

[Lash]

Fisher is a good coach, but he is definitely way overrated. Five playoff wins, IIRC, in 16 seasons is pretty weak sauce.

Heck, his owner basically had to tell him to put Vince Young back in last year, otherwise who knows how the 0-6 freefalling Titans would have ended up.

As for getting more out of less, give me a break.

where would we have been?we'd have been All-In on Sam Bradford and in good shape

Would you put your trust in a guy who walked off the field on his teammates and refused to go back in and then went to kill himself that night?

VY is a disease that we can't get rid of

 

[sgtrobo]

grossly overrated. He's going to break Chris Johnson and his offense will fall apart after that.

 

[Lash]

and i have NEVER heard from anyone until now from WoMD that Fish wanted VY or Leinart

Fish wanted Cutler but Adams wanted ticket sales and wanted his hometown hero VY

norm chow wanted leinart and was the only one as far as i know

i dont know about reese but he left town soon after so maybe that was telling

 

[SSOG]

I have a taped interview with Greg Cosell of NFL Films fame. I asked him about the Titans QB situation on that particular draft day and I told him my thoughts, which in essence were:

Fisher and scouts wanted Cutler. Owner wanted Young. OC wanted Leinart.

Cosell said to me that he knew a lot about that particular situation and that I was essentially correct.

That is not the word here. Regardless, VY has a significantly better winning % than the other two. Had Fish got his way, who knows, but nothing indicates that our QB situation would be improved had he got the player he wanted.Nevertheless, you have him...let the man play. What the Titans are doing now is the equivalent of a pitcher in a tied game, with a runner on first, throwing to first repeatedly because you are afraid to make a pitch.

Could the Titans do worse than Fisher? Of course. Could they do better? You have to take that chance to find out. Or...just keep Fish and stay about 8-8 forever.

Really? You don't think that Cutler is a better QB than Vince Young? Really?

 

[Ice Cream Man]

Fisher is a good coach, but he is definitely way overrated. Five playoff wins, IIRC, in 16 seasons is pretty weak sauce.

Heck, his owner basically had to tell him to put Vince Young back in last year, otherwise who knows how the 0-6 freefalling Titans would have ended up.

As for getting more out of less, give me a break.

where would we have been?we'd have been All-In on Sam Bradford and in good shape

Would you put your trust in a guy who walked off the field on his teammates and refused to go back in and then went to kill himself that night?

VY is a disease that we can't get rid of

I'm not sure VY's a disease, but he does just enough to stay around.. keeping us from making a move that will help the team. Collins was not the reason why we lost most of those games in 2009.

 

[Sweetness_34]

His teams are almost always competitive. With the exception of his first season (where he was handed the job midway through the year) and a two year stretch from 2004-2005 when the team was terrible, the Oilers/Titans have always been at least 7-9 under his tenure. That's 13 out of 15 seasons of being in the playoff race into December, including many teams that overachieved.

So what? Lovie Smith has been 7-9 or 8-8 every year since the SB year and he was on the hot seat going into the season. Jeff Fisher hasn't ever made it to a SB

 

[Creed Bratton]

His teams are almost always competitive. With the exception of his first season (where he was handed the job midway through the year) and a two year stretch from 2004-2005 when the team was terrible, the Oilers/Titans have always been at least 7-9 under his tenure. That's 13 out of 15 seasons of being in the playoff race into December, including many teams that overachieved.

So what? Lovie Smith has been 7-9 or 8-8 every year since the SB year and he was on the hot seat going into the season. Jeff Fisher hasn't ever made it to a SB

Uhh, yes he did. He was the coach during the Titans-Rams Superbowl.

 

[FUBAR]

Vince Young needs to ride the bench - he teases the front office with brilliance but he's not the answer. Way too inconsistent and unpredictable. Collins gives us the best chance to win. We need a competent passing attack, with a qb with fairly good instincts, more than another running threat.

By "us", you must mean the Titans opponents.

 

[FUBAR]

I have a taped interview with Greg Cosell of NFL Films fame. I asked him about the Titans QB situation on that particular draft day and I told him my thoughts, which in essence were:

Fisher and scouts wanted Cutler. Owner wanted Young. OC wanted Leinart.

Cosell said to me that he knew a lot about that particular situation and that I was essentially correct.

That is not the word here. Regardless, VY has a significantly better winning % than the other two. Had Fish got his way, who knows, but nothing indicates that our QB situation would be improved had he got the player he wanted.Nevertheless, you have him...let the man play. What the Titans are doing now is the equivalent of a pitcher in a tied game, with a runner on first, throwing to first repeatedly because you are afraid to make a pitch.

Could the Titans do worse than Fisher? Of course. Could they do better? You have to take that chance to find out. Or...just keep Fish and stay about 8-8 forever.

Really? You don't think that Cutler is a better QB than Vince Young? Really?

I like Vince as much as anyone outside of Texas, but you give Cutler the Titans O-Line and you have a perennial all-pro. I believe VY helped CJ get his 2k more than any other QB would have, but Cutler would win more games with this supporting cast.Fisher is an above average coach, nothing special. The only head coaches I am practically certain are better are Tomlin, BB, and Rex Ryan. I probably rank Harbaugh, Mike Smith, Sean Payton, Caldwell, and Marvin Lewis above him but I'm not as confident on those, especially Caldwell as it's hard for me to tell how much is him and how much is Manning. I suppose there could be others but that's how I see it.

 

[Bri]

He's a straight shooter.

He never makes excuses.

He will take it on the chin even if it's not his fault as he believes everything is.

He understands some very simple concepts that almost defy reason that other teams don't. The Titans have the best combo of DL and OL coach in the NFL and those two are so very much appreciated and praised often. I don't know what they get paid but ...

How do you NOT give him credit for winning with whatever players he's given?

He's got two of the best Tackles in the game that came from the same draft and neither was supposed to be an uberstud. He has one of the best CBs in the game that was a 7th rounder. He switched and then cut his MLB, Ryan Fowler, who is no longer in the league. Drew whatshisname signed for too much and 1,2,3 he's out of the league. Travis Henry ran for like 1300 and then was quickly out of the league. Fisher has been so accurate on free agents and thus shown he made them good. Let me know all the people that thought Chris Hope was a pro bowler. How about a WR that even the Bears don't want? Titans fans are lucky they even play WRs with the cast of WR junk that has been sent his way over the years. I mean geesh at what point is it OK for a coach to say skip this I'm using my goalline offense the length of the field?

BB, BP, few others understand the concept of building a team like he does. None of them discuss it like he does either and I am very happy he's taken the time to. Ernie Accorsi of the Giants used to but...

Go ahead and google to check me here-

Chris Henry and Chris Johnson were drafted because they had a base unit, a decent base but he wanted playmakers. He wanted speed to kill, as the saying goes. Nate Washington and Kenny Britt was the first WR they went out of their way to get for this same reason.

Jared Cook was drafted to BLOCK for Chris Johnson as he had the speed to keep up with him long enough in the open field that Fisher felt one more block would equal a long run.

Johnson was in no way drafted to be the everydown RB. Some of you need to go back and look at when he was drafted, where he ranked, what teams thought of him etc. They had Lendale who was from USC just like Fisher and the then OC Norm Chow.

I don't get this free agent hatred-

Mawae took a year and a day to retire I don't understand the gripe there.

Bulluck and the Titans were the same as a million other vets, he doesn't have much time left why pay him a zillion dollars. Sure there's "thanks for the memories" bump in pay but...

I grew up in NJ so it has sort of always stood out to me. Bulluck has always stated his love for NY/NJ and even spoke much about it the summer before when Britt and McCourty came from Rutgers. It isn't one bit surprising he plays for the Gmen. I don't, in anyway, think this is Fisher's fault.

Vandenbosch went to play for his former DC that he did very well under in Tennessee. Where's the surprise? the angst?

Add to it that Fisher was a loud proponent that Haynesworth was asking for too much and where we at now?

Also, you watch him (videos at titansonline for years) talk about McNair, Eddie George, Wychek, Hopkins...pick a former Titan...and you know Fisher loved those guys and appreciated all they did.

Coaching-

Few coaches preach, teach and bench based on discipline like he and his assistants do. Benching a player is such a lost art form in the NFL. I'd keep Fisher as coach just because he pulls players. Geesh it's pathetic that few do like him.

It has been painful to watch them NOT rush Peyton Manning to pressure him and just sit back, but guess who gives the Colts the most trouble? Watch a QB scramble outside the pocket and watch how many Titans DON'T go after him but stay right where they should.

Haynesworth- "a million" coaches have preached over the years to funnel the plays toward a certain player but few have ever been able to actually get it done with regularity as they did funneling plays right at Haynesworth. Ummm no one else can coach him. He surely isn't an MVP caliber DT with the Redskins. If Washburn gets credit, that's fine.

 

[SSOG]

I like Vince as much as anyone outside of Texas, but you give Cutler the Titans O-Line and you have a perennial all-pro. I believe VY helped CJ get his 2k more than any other QB would have, but Cutler would win more games with this supporting cast.Fisher is an above average coach, nothing special. The only head coaches I am practically certain are better are Tomlin, BB, and Rex Ryan. I probably rank Harbaugh, Mike Smith, Sean Payton, Caldwell, and Marvin Lewis above him but I'm not as confident on those, especially Caldwell as it's hard for me to tell how much is him and how much is Manning. I suppose there could be others but that's how I see it.

Shanahan?

 

[Bri]

I like Vince as much as anyone outside of Texas, but you give Cutler the Titans O-Line and you have a perennial all-pro. I believe VY helped CJ get his 2k more than any other QB would have, but Cutler would win more games with this supporting cast.Fisher is an above average coach, nothing special. The only head coaches I am practically certain are better are Tomlin, BB, and Rex Ryan. I probably rank Harbaugh, Mike Smith, Sean Payton, Caldwell, and Marvin Lewis above him but I'm not as confident on those, especially Caldwell as it's hard for me to tell how much is him and how much is Manning. I suppose there could be others but that's how I see it.

Shanahan?

The WCO had it's day and he was phenomenal. It was emulated by all and defenses learned how to stop it as if second nature it was so common. He's looking like a "has been" lately. He didn't leave Denver on top at all and the Redskins sure don't seem like they're winning a Supe. This genius has been made to look ordinary. He needs a new wrinkle.PLUS, c'mon he never was all that good with his defenses