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Spring Survivor League Ladder Advancement (1 Viewer)

BassNBrew

IBL Representative
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AB in DC

Footballguy
Given the number of people dropping every year, it would probably make more sense to number all of the finishers 1 through 64. That way, you can take the top 16 finishers of the returning players the next year, then three more groups of 16 in order with newbies/replacements at the bottom. If you need tiebreakers, just use total points.

 

LHUCKS

Footballguy
Given the number of people dropping every year, it would probably make more sense to number all of the finishers 1 through 64. That way, you can take the top 16 finishers of the returning players the next year, then three more groups of 16 in order with newbies/replacements at the bottom. If you need tiebreakers, just use total points.
:goodposting:
 
Given the number of people dropping every year, it would probably make more sense to number all of the finishers 1 through 64.  That way, you can take the top 16 finishers of the returning players the next year, then three more groups of 16 in order with newbies/replacements at the bottom.  If you need tiebreakers, just use total points.
:goodposting:
Well, you will need tiebreakers, because once the first person who doesn't is out, that'll throw off the 1,1,1,1 ...2,2,2,2, and it'll start looking like 1,2,2,3 3,4,4,5So you need to know how to seperate the 3's and 4's, by overall points.

I'd like to state that I think it's more important how far you make it in this format than how many total points you have. If the 3rd place finisher of a league is 13th overall in scoring, so be it..........he finishes 3rd.

 

LHUCKS

Footballguy
Given the number of people dropping every year, it would probably make more sense to number all of the finishers 1 through 64.  That way, you can take the top 16 finishers of the returning players the next year, then three more groups of 16 in order with newbies/replacements at the bottom.  If you need tiebreakers, just use total points.
:goodposting:
Well, you will need tiebreakers, because once the first person who doesn't is out, that'll throw off the 1,1,1,1 ...2,2,2,2, and it'll start looking like 1,2,2,3 3,4,4,5So you need to know how to seperate the 3's and 4's, by overall points.

I'd like to state that I think it's more important how far you make it in this format than how many total points you have. If the 3rd place finisher of a league is 13th overall in scoring, so be it..........he finishes 3rd.
:goodposting:
 

jmills

Footballguy
I've had an alternate idea for the SSL ladder advancement, if anyone's interested.

SSL1: SSL2: SSL3: SSL4:

1.1 4.2 4.5 4.10

2.1 4.3 4.6 4.11

3.1 3.4 4.7 3.12

4.1 4.4 3.8 4.12

1.2 3.5 4.8 3.13

2.2 2.6 3.9 4.13

3.2 3.6 4.9 2.14

1.3 2.7 2.10 3.14

2.3 3.7 3.10 4.14

3.3 1.8 2.11 2.15

1.4 2.8 3.11 3.15

2.4 1.9 2.12 4.15

1.5 2.9 1.13 1.16

2.5 1.10 2.13 2.16

1.6 1.11 1.14 3.16

1.7 1.12 1.15 4.16

The first number is the previous year's league, the second is how they placed.

In this system, its harder for teams in the bottom leagues to move up. The top 7 teams in SSL1 get to stay, while only the champ of SSL4 gets to jump to the top league. We could also use this order to know how to bump teams up in case of defections.

What do you guys think?

 

Preds

Footballguy
I've had an alternate idea for the SSL ladder advancement, if anyone's interested.SSL1 next yr

1 1

2 1

3 1

4 1

5 1

6 1

7 1

8 1

9 1

10 1

11 2

12 2

13 2

14 2

15 2

16 3

SSL2 next yr

1 1

2 1

3 1

4 1

5 1

6 2

7 2

8 2

9 2

10 2

11 3

12 3

13 3

14 3

15 3

16 4

SSL3 next yr

1 1

2 2

3 2

4 2

5 2

6 2

7 3

8 3

9 3

10 3

11 3

12 4

13 4

14 4

15 4

16 4

SSL 4 next yr

1 2

2 3

3 3

4 3

5 3

6 3

7 4

8 4

9 4

10 4

11 4

12 4

13 4

14 4

15 4

16 4

Edit - Aargh, I can never get the damn formatting to work for columns... sorry about the messy display.
 
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joffer

Footballguy
I think it should be hard to move up, however if you win any of the 4 leagues, I think you should be in league 1 the following year. Just my $.02

 

Preds

Footballguy
I think it should be hard to move up, however if you win any of the 4 leagues, I think you should be in league 1 the following year. Just my $.02
In my suggestion, you can jump 2 ladders by winning a league, so SSL4's winner could jump to SSL2, but not yet make it to the top of the ladder, whereas SSL3's winner can advance to the Expert division.
 
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BassNBrew

IBL Representative
25%+ of the group will drop in any case. Personally I don't see much difference between the leagues as several of us in the "Momentum Gaining Division" whipped up on the rest of the folks in numerous other leagues. For that matter, some of the newbies in division 4 are probably every bit as skilled as some in division 1. If they perform, they should be promoted up. Heck, if I had used a different tiebreaker in making assignments, several in D1 would be in D2 and vice versa. At least three were promoted to D1 because others no showed. Let's not offer any unnecessary protection to the pretneders hiding in division 1.

 

jmills

Footballguy
I've had an alternate idea for the SSL ladder advancement, if anyone's interested.

SSL1:    SSL2:    SSL3:    SSL4:

1.1      4.2      4.5      4.10           

2.1      4.3      4.6      4.11

3.1      3.4      4.7      3.12

4.1      4.4      3.8      4.12

1.2      3.5      4.8      3.13

2.2      2.6      3.9      4.13

3.2      3.6      4.9      2.14

1.3      2.7      2.10    3.14

2.3      3.7      3.10    4.14

3.3      1.8      2.11    2.15

1.4      2.8      3.11    3.15

2.4      1.9      2.12    4.15

1.5      2.9      1.13    1.16

2.5      1.10    2.13    2.16

1.6      1.11    1.14    3.16

1.7      1.12    1.15    4.16

The first number is the previous year's league, the second is how they placed.

In this system, its harder for teams in the bottom leagues to move up.  The top 7 teams in SSL1 get to stay, while only the champ of SSL4 gets to jump to the top league.  We could also use this order to know how to bump teams up in case of defections.

What do you guys think?
I like this much better than BNB's proposal. IMO, you shouldn't be able to advance or drop more than 1 or 2 tiers the next season... I can see finishing 1.16 and dropping to SSL3, but going from 1 to 4 is harsh. Same goes for moving up, do 3 or 4 guppies in SSL4 deserve to move straight to SSL1 with a top finish?My personal suggestion would be no more than a 2 tier drop or advancement from one year to the next, with the vast majority of advancement coming from the top teams.

I'd suggest the following advancement/demotion scale:

SSL1 next yr SSL2 next yr

1 1 1 1

2 1 2 1

3 1 3 1

4 1 4 1

5 1 5 1

6 1 6 2

7 1 7 2

8 1 8 2

9 1 9 2

10 1 10 2

11 2 11 3

12 2 12 3

13 2 13 3

14 2 14 3

15 2 15 3

16 3 16 4

SSL3 next yr SSL 4 next yr

1 1 1 2

2 2 2 3

3 2 3 3

4 2 4 3

5 2 5 3

6 2 6 3

7 3 7 4

8 3 8 4

9 3 9 4

10 3 10 4

11 3 11 4

12 4 12 4

13 4 13 4

14 4 14 4

15 4 15 4

16 4 16 4
I like this too, though I kind of like the idea that a team could jump from 4 to 1. I might be biased though seeing as how I'm currently in SSL4.I agree that dropping a team from 1 to 4 might be a little harsh, but imagine the ridicule he would have to endure :lmao:

 

radballs.

Footballguy
25%+ of the group will drop in any case. Personally I don't see much difference between the leagues as several of us in the "Momentum Gaining Division" whipped up on the rest of the folks in numerous other leagues. For that matter, some of the newbies in division 4 are probably every bit as skilled as some in division 1. If they perform, they should be promoted up. Heck, if I had used a different tiebreaker in making assignments, several in D1 would be in D2 and vice versa. At least three were promoted to D1 because others no showed. Let's not offer any unnecessary protection to the pretneders hiding in division 1.
:goodposting:
 

Tick

Footballguy
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Perry Van Hook

Footballguy
YO :fishy: N :banned: (BassNBrew for those that can't read emoticons) How about some updates on where those already eliminated are headed for next year (ie. someplace lower than where they :bag: started from this year)

 
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rzrback77

IBL Representative
He is truly dedicated to serving the fantasy football community.....eventually. :P Any one of 60 some odd participants could do this from the results on Twilight's site. Basically we are all just a little lazy.Speaking of lazy, I was begging for some inside Detroit info for two straight days in the Shark Pool, but no Cowboy ever came to my rescue. Now I have only one waiver wire move left and my QBs this week are C Palmer and Garcia :X

 
He is truly dedicated to serving the fantasy football community.....eventually. :P

Any one of 60 some odd participants could do this from the results on Twilight's site. Basically we are all just a little lazy.

Speaking of lazy, I was begging for some inside Detroit info for two straight days in the Shark Pool, but no Cowboy ever came to my rescue. Now I have only one waiver wire move left and my QBs this week are C Palmer and Garcia :X
No lazy here Razor, I've been busy as all get out in the AC. Ravnzan is MIA (copartner in coachs corner) and have been taking all Q's with some help from Bristol. Seriously, if you need any insight ever or an extra opinion just shoot me a PM.
 

LHUCKS

Footballguy
Okay, so basically I have to survive three more weeks to make the climb from 4 to 1...piece of cake.

 

LHUCKS

Footballguy
For the record, I think we should make the ladder less fluid for next year since the ladder will have been more established. Not significantly less, just a bit though since some level of skill has been differentiated this year.

 

BassNBrew

IBL Representative
For the record, I think we should make the ladder less fluid for next year since the ladder will have been more established. Not significantly less, just a bit though since some level of skill has been differentiated this year.
For the record, seeing how the guy managing the ladder and the guy running the league are in the guppy division next year, I don't see less fluidity being a likely outcome. :P :bag: Speaking of fluidity, I got beat by the guy who draft the Whizz. No one beats the Whizz. :bag: :bag:

 

Family Matters

Footballguy
For the record, I think we should make the ladder less fluid for next year since the ladder will have been more established.  Not significantly less, just a bit though since some level of skill has been differentiated this year.
For the record, seeing how the guy managing the ladder and the guy running the league are in the guppy division next year, I don't see less fluidity being a likely outcome. :P :bag: Speaking of fluidity, I got beat by the guy who draft the Whizz. No one beats the Whizz. :bag: :bag:
That is seriously east coast. I remember that from my DC days.
 

ravnzfan

Footballguy
No lazy here Razor, I've been busy as all get out in the AC. Ravnzan is MIA (copartner in coachs corner) and have been taking all Q's with some help from Bristol.
ouch.... :11: looks like we're in TripleA next yr---one more yr to "the bigs!"

 

ShadowMaster

Footballguy
I missed my SSl confirm while out of town on vacation. I want my slot back for 2006 so pencil me into one of those openings.

 

Perry Van Hook

Footballguy
Okay BnB enlighten us - I don't see any correlation to what was suggested.Let's use my team as an example. I finished 3rd in SSL3 and get NO promotion, so only 1st and 2nd are moving up?Where are 1st and 2nd from SSL4 going?At first glance I don't see enough teams moving down or enough teams moving up.

 

LHUCKS

Footballguy
Okay BnB enlighten us - I don't see any correlation to what was suggested.

Let's use my team as an example. I finished 3rd in SSL3 and get NO promotion, so only 1st and 2nd are moving up?

Where are 1st and 2nd from SSL4 going?

At first glance I don't see enough teams moving down or enough teams moving up.
you're misinterpreting the initial post of this thread...the top 4 teams from SSL3 are promoted to SSL1.Congrats...you get the honor of getting beatdown by me again next year. :D

 
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bicycle_seat_sniffer

Smells like chicken
So is this the teams to bein SSL4, of course assuming no one get moved up due to no-shows?

14th - 4 Pirate 92

15th - 4 Twilight 97

16th - 4 Titans2003 97

14th - 4 Fletch 94

15th - 4 Motwon Maniacs 75

16th - 4 Mad Viking 83

13th - 4 FM69 83

14th - 4 Ratphink 87

15th - 4 BassNBrew 88

16th - 4 Sjslacker 80

11th - 4 Bicycle Seat Sniffer 98

12th - 4 Fiddles 73

13th - 4 Ahrncitypounder 88

14th - 4 Uruk-Hia 72

15th - 4 JMills 80

16th - 4 Dpeease 95

 

bicycle_seat_sniffer

Smells like chicken
can someone explain the process here again? I don't remember how this is supposed to work.
I just took all the teams with 4 next to their name. I thought if you got knocked out early enough you got demoted, or stayed in ssl4
 
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