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Stafford going forward... (1 Viewer)

anicholsnj

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Anyone nervous?? Of course next week is Freemans bye week so im screwed If staff misses time, it may cost me the playoffs. WW looking incredibly thin.

 
Its not official yet but Stafford said he expects to play. I dont think it's too serious but we will know soon enough.

 
'Da Guru said:
I am, very nervous it is the dreaded HAS for Stafford..the replay looked horrible.
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Is this injury that big a deal to a QB though? I thought these were more a problem for guys who have to cut laterally. He should be OK to plant off it, no?
 
I am not just worried about the leg. I watched the game and he didn't look good at all. Seems like he doesn't let anything develop.

 
'Hug dog said:
I am not just worried about the leg. I watched the game and he didn't look good at all. Seems like he doesn't let anything develop.
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The Oline was horrible. He was rushed all game long. That may not bode well for this injury as he won't be able to move as well in the pocket.
 
'anicholsnj said:
'urbanhack said:
How about the performance of the offense the last two weeks? That's my concern.
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Not havin best def hurts... Lions seem to rely on the big play too much. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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The Lions don't seem capable of running the ball to move the chains, at all. Best was able to mimic a running game with short receptions out of the backfield which moved the chains. So yes, his loss is hurting them a great deal. I'm not sure what the solution is for Det. Possibly getting the TE's more involved underneath. Their Oline doesn't seem strong enough to pass protect w/o help though.
 
That OL is a complete mess, it never was able to run block and they really do need a total revamp there that'd been long over do.

 
Despite Tebow being the Lord's QB and all, I think if Stafford is diagnosed with a HAS, why not put Hill out there next week and save him as the emergency QB if things start going south in the 4th? That game should be winnable and Stafford would get 2 weeks of rest.

The problem is, Schwartz won't be too forthcoming with details and you're looking at a 4pm start...

 
'jurb26 said:
I'm not sure what the solution is for Det. Possibly getting the TE's more involved underneath. Their Oline doesn't seem strong enough to pass protect w/o help though.
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:goodposting:I don't know either. Maybe design plays to get Stafford out of the pocket? he's decent on the move.
 
I AM a nervous Stafford Owner.. Less about health (unless HAS). I am mostly nervous about his accuracy.. His game is no longer looks elite in my eyes. He started slow in MIN, then Dallas game(the DEF really gets the credit for that one). I didn't think Stafford's accuracy looked great against SF or yesterday either.

He is looking meh to me

 
'urbanhack said:
How about the performance of the offense the last two weeks? That's my concern.
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They have not looked very smooth. People forget that even though it is Staffords third season he is still basically a rookie in terms of on field play time, so there are going to be peaks and valleys. The last twos weeks Stafford has not looked comfortable at all and that is a concern.
 
'Da Guru said:
'urbanhack said:
How about the performance of the offense the last two weeks? That's my concern.
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They have not looked very smooth. People forget that even though it is Staffords third season he is still basically a rookie in terms of on field play time, so there are going to be peaks and valleys. The last twos weeks Stafford has not looked comfortable at all and that is a concern.
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So if you (Stafford owners) had the opportunity to trade him for an awesome WR1 or TE1, and you had a backup QB like Tebow, would you pull the trigger?
 
'goldenchild said:
'Da Guru said:
'urbanhack said:
How about the performance of the offense the last two weeks? That's my concern.
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They have not looked very smooth. People forget that even though it is Staffords third season he is still basically a rookie in terms of on field play time, so there are going to be peaks and valleys. The last twos weeks Stafford has not looked comfortable at all and that is a concern.
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So if you (Stafford owners) had the opportunity to trade him for an awesome WR1 or TE1, and you had a backup QB like Tebow, would you pull the trigger?
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If you can still get that level of offer for him, I don't see how you can say no if you have Tebow or another capable backup. Schedule only gets tougher after the bye.
 
Stafford has looked pretty mediocre the last few weeks and now he is hurt (the guy is a china doll) I'd sell high if you can.

 
No question Stafford is regressing. He is sloppy with his footwork, and his accuracy is hurt by it. Calvin is bailing him out constantly and it won't last. I'm selling him this week if I can. I love his talent, but something is off. With the way the O-line, and run game is playing I like him more as a top 10 QB with serious upside but a high risk of injury than a top 5 QB that he has been till now.

 
'fCheeze said:
I AM a nervous Stafford Owner.. Less about health (unless HAS). I am mostly nervous about his accuracy.. His game is no longer looks elite in my eyes. He started slow in MIN, then Dallas game(the DEF really gets the credit for that one). I didn't think Stafford's accuracy looked great against SF or yesterday either. He is looking meh to me
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Makes you wonder how he'd look and what his numbers would be if he didn't have Megatron back there hauling everything thrown his way in?
 
'scott72 said:
'fCheeze said:
I AM a nervous Stafford Owner.. Less about health (unless HAS). I am mostly nervous about his accuracy.. His game is no longer looks elite in my eyes. He started slow in MIN, then Dallas game(the DEF really gets the credit for that one). I didn't think Stafford's accuracy looked great against SF or yesterday either. He is looking meh to me
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Makes you wonder how he'd look and what his numbers would be if he didn't have Megatron back there hauling everything thrown his way in?
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I wonder more about how he would look if Det had any running game at all or even an average Oline.
 
More than the ankle sprain. Stafford needs to find someone other than Pettigrew on every 3rd down. Stafford is just dialed in on him and Pettigrew just drops too many passes. Detroit has too many 3 and outs to be an elite team and I don't have any confidence on the offense to even get to a FG range at the end of close games. And this was with Best in the game so let's not say it's because of the running game...

 
'LargeMouthBass said:
More than the ankle sprain. Stafford needs to find someone other than Pettigrew on every 3rd down. Stafford is just dialed in on him and Pettigrew just drops too many passes. Detroit has too many 3 and outs to be an elite team and I don't have any confidence on the offense to even get to a FG range at the end of close games. And this was with Best in the game so let's not say it's because of the running game...
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Best was averaging 5 receptions per game and was most certainly a major contributer in keeping drives alive. Det was never that great at running the ball but Best gave them another option outside Pettigrew when it came time to move the chains.
 
I don't man, I watched their last three games and though not having Best does hurt the team, Stafford still had hard time converting on third downs. I don't know what the exact stats were but Detroit's third down conversion in the last three games is ridiculously bad. And three and outs give the other team a fresh D and make the Lion's D work extra hard.

Edit: Also the last three games were at home, I'm not buying the Lions to even get to the second round in the playoffs...

 
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I agree with a lot of the sentiments expressed here about Stafford, but I don't think of him as a 'sell high' just because he still has Calvin. As long as he does I'll have confidence in starting him.

 
I feel like Stafford's issues stem from the offensive line. He hasn't been getting enough time to throw after plays develop, and has been forcing a lot of passes.

 
Mon Oct 24, 02:51 PM Detroit Lions QB Matthew Stafford's (ankle) MRI exam Monday, Oct. 24, came back negative. He is being listed as day-to-day with a right ankle injury.

Our view: Good news for the Lions here. Stafford will likely be limited this week and may not participate in practice. The team travels to Denver to take on the Broncos this Sunday and we may still see Shaun Hill in at quarterback.

 
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They were taping him up in a hurry on the sidelines and I think he would have gone back in if the Lions would have got the ball back.

We knew the OLine was a point of concern coming into the season but I thought Stafford bailed on a few plays early and just never seemed comfortable in the pocket after getting creamed on his first two dropbacks. I don't watch much film but it really feels like teams have adjusted to the Lions and hopefully Linehan just needs to tweak a couple things and they can start moving the ball again.

 
'Squintz82 said:
I feel like Stafford's issues stem from the offensive line. He hasn't been getting enough time to throw after plays develop, and has been forcing a lot of passes.
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Yeah, I don't like what I am seeing from the entire offense, Stafford included.A crappy offensive line, no running game (and that's not hyperbole, they aren't even trying), They need to take the pressure off Stafford, and not just by blocking better. Maybe have him under center a few plays, whaddayathink, Shwartz? Maybe get a first down by running the ball, and than maybe you can even attempt a play-action pass.I loved the fact earlier this year that they were in shootouts every game, but now defenses are just pinning their ears back, and going after him every down. The Lions are essentially running the Run 'N Shoot right now. That gets QBs killed.
 
'massraider said:
'Squintz82 said:
I feel like Stafford's issues stem from the offensive line. He hasn't been getting enough time to throw after plays develop, and has been forcing a lot of passes.
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Yeah, I don't like what I am seeing from the entire offense, Stafford included.A crappy offensive line, no running game (and that's not hyperbole, they aren't even trying), They need to take the pressure off Stafford, and not just by blocking better. Maybe have him under center a few plays, whaddayathink, Shwartz? Maybe get a first down by running the ball, and than maybe you can even attempt a play-action pass.I loved the fact earlier this year that they were in shootouts every game, but now defenses are just pinning their ears back, and going after him every down. The Lions are essentially running the Run 'N Shoot right now. That gets QBs killed.
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I really just don't think the Lions are capable of running the ball well. They simply don't have the personal to do it. The Oline is not strong enough and the calamity they have had with RB injuries this year has severely derailed any hopes of a solid running game they may have once had. I mean seriously, Leshore, Best and Harrison have all gone down. Maybe Shwartz simply knows this to be the case and thinks, well we may as well chuck the ball every down and at least give our best playmakers a chance. I agree, they have to do something to turn it around. The offense looked bad vs. Atl.
 
'The Kuhn said:
'goldenchild said:
'Da Guru said:
'urbanhack said:
How about the performance of the offense the last two weeks? That's my concern.
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They have not looked very smooth. People forget that even though it is Staffords third season he is still basically a rookie in terms of on field play time, so there are going to be peaks and valleys. The last twos weeks Stafford has not looked comfortable at all and that is a concern.
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So if you (Stafford owners) had the opportunity to trade him for an awesome WR1 or TE1, and you had a backup QB like Tebow, would you pull the trigger?
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If you can still get that level of offer for him, I don't see how you can say no if you have Tebow or another capable backup. Schedule only gets tougher after the bye.
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I was just offered Stafford for Larry Fitzgerald. I need a QB in the worst way and am considering it. Before Sunday I would have insta-accepted.
 
'LargeMouthBass said:
More than the ankle sprain. Stafford needs to find someone other than Pettigrew on every 3rd down.
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I'm surprised that Burleson hasn't been a more consistent option since the first two weeks. I know he had a big drop yesterday but he also only had three targets. He's a good player and should be someone Stafford can get the ball to along with Megatron and Pettigrew.
 
'LargeMouthBass said:
More than the ankle sprain. Stafford needs to find someone other than Pettigrew on every 3rd down. Stafford is just dialed in on him and Pettigrew just drops too many passes. Detroit has too many 3 and outs to be an elite team and I don't have any confidence on the offense to even get to a FG range at the end of close games. And this was with Best in the game so let's not say it's because of the running game...
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I've noticed this with Pettigrew as well. Have a hard time watching him target Pettigrew so often in the endzone as well...the guy just drops it way too much and it seems that Stafford locks into him and doesn't even look at CJ.
 
'Txns8 said:
'The Kuhn said:
'goldenchild said:
'Da Guru said:
'urbanhack said:
How about the performance of the offense the last two weeks? That's my concern.
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They have not looked very smooth. People forget that even though it is Staffords third season he is still basically a rookie in terms of on field play time, so there are going to be peaks and valleys. The last twos weeks Stafford has not looked comfortable at all and that is a concern.
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So if you (Stafford owners) had the opportunity to trade him for an awesome WR1 or TE1, and you had a backup QB like Tebow, would you pull the trigger?
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If you can still get that level of offer for him, I don't see how you can say no if you have Tebow or another capable backup. Schedule only gets tougher after the bye.
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I was just offered Stafford for Larry Fitzgerald. I need a QB in the worst way and am considering it. Before Sunday I would have insta-accepted.
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Well the AJ owner told me he would give me AJ for Stafford if Stafford's injury isn't serous :hoping:Also, another owner with Jimmy Graham said the same thing!
 
I would be very concerned. Not about the injury, about his oline. The last few games had me goin wtf until the last 5 minutes he throws like 2 tds on game deciding drives...

 
'lexdizzle said:
I would be very concerned. Not about the injury, about his oline. The last few games had me goin wtf until the last 5 minutes he throws like 2 tds on game deciding drives...
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I think you were watching some other game. Stafford didn't come close to having game winning drives in the last two games.
 
'bbuster said:
'LargeMouthBass said:
More than the ankle sprain. Stafford needs to find someone other than Pettigrew on every 3rd down. Stafford is just dialed in on him and Pettigrew just drops too many passes. Detroit has too many 3 and outs to be an elite team and I don't have any confidence on the offense to even get to a FG range at the end of close games. And this was with Best in the game so let's not say it's because of the running game...
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I've noticed this with Pettigrew as well. Have a hard time watching him target Pettigrew so often in the endzone as well...the guy just drops it way too much and it seems that Stafford locks into him and doesn't even look at CJ.
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The guy with 10 TDs through seven games? :rolleyes:
 
His body language, footwork, pocket presence has been horrible the last 5 games. I am half expecting him to announce he has been playing on two broken legs. If he doesn't make that announcement then it is time to worry.

 
So you guys think QB5 is a bad thing? He has had ONE bad game. And it wasn't even terrible, it was "only" 180 yards, 1 TD and 0 INT's. He has a 4:1 TD/INT ratio and this was the first week he didn't break 200 yards AND throw 2 TD's.

Stafford was QB14 this week ahead of guys like Freeman, Cutler, Rivers, Flacco & Hasselbeck. He still has CJ to throw to each week.

Here is the remaining schedule and where each defense ranks in terms of fantasy points allowed to QB's (#1 being most points allowed):

8 DEN - #1

9 bye

10 CHI - #9

11 CAR - #19

12 GBP - #7

13 NOS - #11

14 MIN - #13

15 OAK - #10

16 SDC - #20

Looks like a fairly easy schedule with no games against elite pass defenses.

 
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'Jayrod said:
So you guys think QB5 is a bad thing? He has had ONE bad game. And it wasn't even terrible, it was "only" 180 yards, 1 TD and 0 INT's. He has a 4:1 TD/INT ratio and this was the first week he didn't break 200 yards AND throw 2 TD's. Stafford was QB14 this week ahead of guys like Freeman, Cutler, Rivers, Flacco & Hasselbeck. He still has CJ to throw to each week.Here is the remaining schedule and where each defense ranks in terms of fantasy points allowed to QB's (#1 being most points allowed):8 DEN - #19 bye10 CHI - #911 CAR - #1912 GBP - #713 NOS - #1114 MIN - #1315 OAK - #1016 SDC - #20Looks like a fairly easy schedule with no games against elite pass defenses.
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:goodposting: People are just upset their top 5 QB is starting to only play like a top 10 QB even though they drafted in the 9th round or later :confused:
 
From a numbers standpoint, sure, 2 of his last 3 games were okay to good for fantasy. Those of us watching him every week can see that something is amiss here though. He's been less and less accurate, he's starting to look jumpy in the pocket, and he's not making good reads.

I am a Stafford fan, I genuinely root for him to do well beyond fantasy numbers, and something just seems off with him lately. I'm hoping this terrible OLine isnt making him gunshy.

 
'shadyridr said:
'Jayrod said:
So you guys think QB5 is a bad thing? He has had ONE bad game. And it wasn't even terrible, it was "only" 180 yards, 1 TD and 0 INT's. He has a 4:1 TD/INT ratio and this was the first week he didn't break 200 yards AND throw 2 TD's. Stafford was QB14 this week ahead of guys like Freeman, Cutler, Rivers, Flacco & Hasselbeck. He still has CJ to throw to each week.Here is the remaining schedule and where each defense ranks in terms of fantasy points allowed to QB's (#1 being most points allowed):8 DEN - #19 bye10 CHI - #911 CAR - #1912 GBP - #713 NOS - #1114 MIN - #1315 OAK - #1016 SDC - #20Looks like a fairly easy schedule with no games against elite pass defenses.
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:goodposting: People are just upset their top 5 QB is starting to only play like a top 10 QB even though they drafted in the 9th round or later :confused:
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I'm sure a lot of people either traded away their QB1 to roll with Stafford after 4 weeks or so, or paid a nice sum to get Stafford. Either way, if I was in a situation where say weeks 5-7 were my first three weeks starting Stafford, the 3 and 4 TD games are a distant memory, the running game is in shambles, and now he's day to day with an injury, yes, I'd be concerned.
 
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'Jayrod said:
So you guys think QB5 is a bad thing? He has had ONE bad game. And it wasn't even terrible, it was "only" 180 yards, 1 TD and 0 INT's. He has a 4:1 TD/INT ratio and this was the first week he didn't break 200 yards AND throw 2 TD's. Stafford was QB14 this week ahead of guys like Freeman, Cutler, Rivers, Flacco & Hasselbeck. He still has CJ to throw to each week.Here is the remaining schedule and where each defense ranks in terms of fantasy points allowed to QB's (#1 being most points allowed):8 DEN - #19 bye10 CHI - #911 CAR - #1912 GBP - #713 NOS - #1114 MIN - #1315 OAK - #1016 SDC - #20Looks like a fairly easy schedule with no games against elite pass defenses.
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What was atlanta before this game?
 
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