STAR WARS: EP 7 ***SPOILER ZONE*** - Go here if you've seen it (1 Viewer)

[ghostguy123]

People feel Rey was trained and mind wiped?? Where did THAT come from?

Not saying I disagree, but just not sure why that would be a "thing" people are discussing

there have been about 100 posts on it in this thread alone along with a ton of other random speculation about Rey and the flashback scene and how she relates to either the Solo's or Skywalkers, why she was so good with the saber etc.

Lots of good stuff people have come up with but it is all idle speculation until we see EP8.

Uh oh, I might have missed a flashback scene when I took a bathroom break.

Why the hell don't 2+ hour movies throw a 5 minute intermission in there?? Jesus H Christ.

I just got a weird feeling she was Luke's daughter, but you woulda thought Han would have known that and maybe mentioned it.

She certainly has SOME sort of relation to one or both in some capacity. Will find out in two years I guess

 

[NewlyRetired]

I thought it was over rated. Ray is somehow good at everything, masters the force in 24 hours, and way to obvious ending with ren/Ray.

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/rey-exactly-star-wars-character-010500388.html

Something that took like an entire movie, moving his light sabre, she is able to master in 15 min. Sorry, lazy writing.

Yeah, how dare I insult the greatest movie ever made.

many people feel she has already been trained before and was mind wiped to protect her. She had an awakening during the film to regain her skills.

if this speculation turns out to be wrong, then I will agree that she picked everything too fast.

That would make sense. Frankly I think she is one of Luke's students.

it does make some sense, at least from a speculation point of view.

They already said in the movie that Luke blames himself for the Kylo issue so if he was training his daughter, he may have done the mind suppression to protect her from what ever got to Kylo.

 

[rascal]

People feel Rey was trained and mind wiped?? Where did THAT come from?

Not saying I disagree, but just not sure why that would be a "thing" people are discussing.

I actually thought she was his daughter or something. Just a hunch, didn't "hear" it anywhere.

Trying to explain what I've been discussing.

 

[NewlyRetired]

People feel Rey was trained and mind wiped?? Where did THAT come from?

Not saying I disagree, but just not sure why that would be a "thing" people are discussing

there have been about 100 posts on it in this thread alone along with a ton of other random speculation about Rey and the flashback scene and how she relates to either the Solo's or Skywalkers, why she was so good with the saber etc.

Lots of good stuff people have come up with but it is all idle speculation until we see EP8.

Uh oh, I might have missed a flashback scene when I took a bathroom break.

Why the hell don't 2+ hour movies throw a 5 minute intermission in there?? Jesus H Christ.

I just got a weird feeling she was Luke's daughter, but you woulda thought Han would have known that and maybe mentioned it.

She certainly has SOME sort of relation to one or both in some capacity. Will find out in two years I guess

did you see the scene where she found Luke's light saber? When she first touches it, we get snap shots of various moments that look like she is experiencing the past from Luke's point of view.

 

[rascal]

I thought it was over rated. Ray is somehow good at everything, masters the force in 24 hours, and way to obvious ending with ren/Ray.

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/rey-exactly-star-wars-character-010500388.html

Something that took like an entire movie, moving his light sabre, she is able to master in 15 min. Sorry, lazy writing.

Yeah, how dare I insult the greatest movie ever made.

many people feel she has already been trained before and was mind wiped to protect her. She had an awakening during the film to regain her skills.

if this speculation turns out to be wrong, then I will agree that she picked everything too fast.

That would make sense. Frankly I think she is one of Luke's students.

it does make some sense, at least from a speculation point of view.

They already said in the movie that Luke blames himself for the Kylo issue so if he was training his daughter, he may have done the mind suppression to protect her from what ever got to Kylo.

My wife thought that Luke knew her, non biblical, when they meet.

 

[ghostguy123]

I thought it was over rated. Ray is somehow good at everything, masters the force in 24 hours, and way to obvious ending with ren/Ray.

Have you, you know, seen a Star Wars movie before? That's basically the MO of every single titular character in the series. Literally everything that Rey is good at is something that both Luke and Anakin are also naturally good at. Anakin blows up a capital ship at like, 9 years old while basically fiddling with the controls on a star fighter and Luke destroys the Deathstar by turning off the targeting equipment and just winging it.

We've seen throughout the original trilogy that the key to Luke becoming powerful is to believe in the force and to trust it. It takes him a movie and a half to do so (outside of the Death Star trench run). Rey grew up clearly knowing the legend of Luke, the Rebellion, and the Jedi. She's already primed to believe. She fully masters that belief at the end right before she starts kicking Ren's ###.

Frankly I'm glad they didn't drag it out. People are complaining that it is too much like IV, but if it took her two movies to become any kind of a badass, they'd just be rehashing what we've seen before.

Of course I've seen them...wow.How did she even know she could do some of that stuff with nobody to train her? She has never even used a sabre before and somehow able to beat ren who has been training his entire life. It diminishes her victory by making him appear incompetent.

And Luke knew about the force and rebellion, or have u never seen the originals trilogy? And she didn't believe it till han said so.

I'll entertain this for a brief moment.

She HAS the force, so don't be surprised that she can use it.

Nothing is diminished because Ren "IS" incompetent, and this fact was thrown in our faces several times. Throwing about 10 hissy fits didn't give that away?

She didn't necessarily "not believe" about the force and whatnot, she had just never SEEN it.

I guess people really do interpret obvious things in very different ways sometimes.

 

[ghostguy123]

They already said in the movie that Luke blames himself for the Kylo issue so if he was training his daughter, he may have done the mind suppression to protect her from what ever got to Kylo.

My wife thought that Luke knew her, non biblical, when they meet.

Obviously can't read TOO much into it since it was a final dramatic scene, but it sure did appear as though he knew she was coming and was just waiting, and did know here.

 

[ghostguy123]

The biggest question is, did Malloy enjoy the flick??

I don't want to read through 17 pages to see if he saw it yet or not.

 

[Mario Kart]

My final conclusion is that Rey = Mara Jade

 

[rascal]

I thought it was over rated. Ray is somehow good at everything, masters the force in 24 hours, and way to obvious ending with ren/Ray.

Have you, you know, seen a Star Wars movie before? That's basically the MO of every single titular character in the series. Literally everything that Rey is good at is something that both Luke and Anakin are also naturally good at. Anakin blows up a capital ship at like, 9 years old while basically fiddling with the controls on a star fighter and Luke destroys the Deathstar by turning off the targeting equipment and just winging it.

We've seen throughout the original trilogy that the key to Luke becoming powerful is to believe in the force and to trust it. It takes him a movie and a half to do so (outside of the Death Star trench run). Rey grew up clearly knowing the legend of Luke, the Rebellion, and the Jedi. She's already primed to believe. She fully masters that belief at the end right before she starts kicking Ren's ###.

Frankly I'm glad they didn't drag it out. People are complaining that it is too much like IV, but if it took her two movies to become any kind of a badass, they'd just be rehashing what we've seen before.

Of course I've seen them...wow.How did she even know she could do some of that stuff with nobody to train her? She has never even used a sabre before and somehow able to beat ren who has been training his entire life. It diminishes her victory by making him appear incompetent.

And Luke knew about the force and rebellion, or have u never seen the originals trilogy? And she didn't believe it till han said so.

I'll entertain this for a brief moment.

She HAS the force, so don't be surprised that she can use it.

Nothing is diminished because Ren "IS" incompetent, and this fact was thrown in our faces several times. Throwing about 10 hissy fits didn't give that away?

She didn't necessarily "not believe" about the force and whatnot, she had just never SEEN it.

I guess people really do interpret obvious things in very different ways sometimes.

Incompetent enough to use the force in muktipe ways, such as stopping a blaster , but can't defeat someone who just had a light sabre handed to them for the first time.Sorry, but i'm having a hard time accepting that luke couldn't use the force to pull up his own zipper despite being under obi wan tutelage, for some time anyway, and somehow she masters it in the time it takes to escape with no one to instruct her.

My wife said its because she is a woman. Case closed. I'm done arguing about it. It was a good movie I just found those qualities stop it from reaching its potential.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Rey seems to be pretty clearly Han and Leia's daughter or am I missing a reason why this isn't so?

I assumed the second hand nature with the falcon was the nod there.

 

[Smack Tripper]

One of my issues with the film is that as a huge fan of the first three films I really wanted to see everyone together again. With Han dead that means that won't happen so the fact there wasn't a single scene with them together in this film stinks even more for me personally.

Surprised more fans aren't bothered by this. The last scene of Jedi was a huge celebration and the next thing you know Han is killed by his own son.

My first thought too. On the one hand glad we got to see them again but that would have really dovetailed nicely for me.

 

[ghostguy123]

Rey seems to be pretty clearly Han and Leia's daughter or am I missing a reason why this isn't so?

I assumed the second hand nature with the falcon was the nod there.

Well, wouldn't Han and Leia KNOW about something like that?

 

[NewlyRetired]

I thought it was over rated. Ray is somehow good at everything, masters the force in 24 hours, and way to obvious ending with ren/Ray.

Have you, you know, seen a Star Wars movie before? That's basically the MO of every single titular character in the series. Literally everything that Rey is good at is something that both Luke and Anakin are also naturally good at. Anakin blows up a capital ship at like, 9 years old while basically fiddling with the controls on a star fighter and Luke destroys the Deathstar by turning off the targeting equipment and just winging it.

We've seen throughout the original trilogy that the key to Luke becoming powerful is to believe in the force and to trust it. It takes him a movie and a half to do so (outside of the Death Star trench run). Rey grew up clearly knowing the legend of Luke, the Rebellion, and the Jedi. She's already primed to believe. She fully masters that belief at the end right before she starts kicking Ren's ###.

Frankly I'm glad they didn't drag it out. People are complaining that it is too much like IV, but if it took her two movies to become any kind of a badass, they'd just be rehashing what we've seen before.

Of course I've seen them...wow.How did she even know she could do some of that stuff with nobody to train her? She has never even used a sabre before and somehow able to beat ren who has been training his entire life. It diminishes her victory by making him appear incompetent.

And Luke knew about the force and rebellion, or have u never seen the originals trilogy? And she didn't believe it till han said so.

I'll entertain this for a brief moment.

She HAS the force, so don't be surprised that she can use it.

Nothing is diminished because Ren "IS" incompetent, and this fact was thrown in our faces several times. Throwing about 10 hissy fits didn't give that away?

She didn't necessarily "not believe" about the force and whatnot, she had just never SEEN it.

I guess people really do interpret obvious things in very different ways sometimes.

Incompetent enough to use the force in muktipe ways, such as stopping a blaster , but can't defeat someone who just had a light sabre handed to them for the first time.Sorry, but i'm having a hard time accepting that luke couldn't use the force to pull up his own zipper despite being under obi wan tutelage, for some time anyway, and somehow she masters it in the time it takes to escape with no one to instruct her.

My wife said its because she is a woman. Case closed. I'm done arguing about it. It was a good movie I just found those qualities stop it from reaching its potential.

why are you assuming you already know the story from ep8 which might give many varied reasons why she picked it up quickly?

seems strange to be bothered by something you don't yet know the answer too.

 

[dparker713]

On 2nd viewing I liked Kylo Ren much better. Criticisms of him as juvenile are ridiculous. He's a great bad guy. Quite conflicted but awesome. I think he is going to become absolutely insane and fearsome in the next two movies.

My other complaint was how everyone seemed to be able to handle a lightsaber pretty damn easily. I can understand Rey since she has the force but Finn? That was too much for me given the importance of this weapon in connection with the Jedi and the Force. He shouldn't be able to just pick it up and kick ### with it. .

Finn is a trained stormtrooper from a very young age. He has advanced weaponry skills of all kinds. More than a blaster, he could jump into the Falcons gun turret and shoot down TIE fighters. It makes sense he could be trained with laser swords as well.

But this isn't an ordinary weapon. It's a Jedi's weapon. It's special. That's my point. I think it gets de-valued if anybody off the street can pick it up and start kicking ### with it. Now if we find out later there's more going on with Finn that would explain it. But I'm not treating a Jedi's weapon like a standard ordinary weapon. It's always carried a revered place in this world and I think that's for a reason. Only a select few can use it effectively. Rey using it makes sense since she has the force and may be Luke's daughter. In my opinion Finn doesn't based on what we know about him at the present time.Just my two cents.

In a world with guns only an idiot uses a sword. In a world with blasters only a person that can deflect blaster bolts uses a light saber

 

[KarmaPolice]

One of the nice things about it is relatively new/unknown actors like the originals...no sam Jackson, Portman, Neeson, etc...having big name actors in new roles just doesn't work,.it's too distracting IMO.

Agreed 100 percent

I line now. Any slow parts mid movie to take pee break?

None

None is correct...non stop action...from beginning to end.

For 2nd viewing my pee break would be after you get back to the Falcon. Only scene I could do without was 2 groups of guys/rolling monster thingy.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I thought it was over rated. Ray is somehow good at everything, masters the force in 24 hours, and way to obvious ending with ren/Ray.

Have you, you know, seen a Star Wars movie before? That's basically the MO of every single titular character in the series. Literally everything that Rey is good at is something that both Luke and Anakin are also naturally good at. Anakin blows up a capital ship at like, 9 years old while basically fiddling with the controls on a star fighter and Luke destroys the Deathstar by turning off the targeting equipment and just winging it.

We've seen throughout the original trilogy that the key to Luke becoming powerful is to believe in the force and to trust it. It takes him a movie and a half to do so (outside of the Death Star trench run). Rey grew up clearly knowing the legend of Luke, the Rebellion, and the Jedi. She's already primed to believe. She fully masters that belief at the end right before she starts kicking Ren's ###.

Frankly I'm glad they didn't drag it out. People are complaining that it is too much like IV, but if it took her two movies to become any kind of a badass, they'd just be rehashing what we've seen before.

Of course I've seen them...wow.How did she even know she could do some of that stuff with nobody to train her? She has never even used a sabre before and somehow able to beat ren who has been training his entire life. It diminishes her victory by making him appear incompetent.

And Luke knew about the force and rebellion, or have u never seen the originals trilogy? And she didn't believe it till han said so.

I'll entertain this for a brief moment.

She HAS the force, so don't be surprised that she can use it.

Nothing is diminished because Ren "IS" incompetent, and this fact was thrown in our faces several times. Throwing about 10 hissy fits didn't give that away?

She didn't necessarily "not believe" about the force and whatnot, she had just never SEEN it.

I guess people really do interpret obvious things in very different ways sometimes.

Incompetent enough to use the force in muktipe ways, such as stopping a blaster , but can't defeat someone who just had a light sabre handed to them for the first time.Sorry, but i'm having a hard time accepting that luke couldn't use the force to pull up his own zipper despite being under obi wan tutelage, for some time anyway, and somehow she masters it in the time it takes to escape with no one to instruct her.

My wife said its because she is a woman. Case closed. I'm done arguing about it. It was a good movie I just found those qualities stop it from reaching its potential.

I think people put the lightsaber on a pedestal. It is just their weapon of choice. It is not like they cant use something else or someone non-Jedi couldn't use it. Rey was shown taking out a couple Troopers with her staff, so at least they show her being able to handle herself. Combine that with Kylo not being fully trained, was badly hurt/bleeding, and just got done with another fight, and I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility that it ended the way it did.

 

[ghostguy123]

Loved how Kylo was hitting himself where he was shot. Weirdo.

Reminded me of Law & Order when he was smacking himself in the face.

 

[flysack]

Did anyone else spot Daniel Craig's Stormtrooper cameo?

Yep. Pretty clear he was the guy on the right who walked away when Kylo was throwing a temper tantrum. If you look close enough, the number on his back said "007."

 

[flysack]

Rey seems to be pretty clearly Han and Leia's daughter or am I missing a reason why this isn't so?

I assumed the second hand nature with the falcon was the nod there.

Anakin was a mechanical genius. He built C3PO and a pod racer by the age of 9.

Luke was a genius pilot.

Rey seems to be a bit of both, though clearly much much better at building stuff due to her upbringing, which now that I think of it, is a neat combo of both Anakin and Luke.

1. Practically a slave in everything but name. She's forced to work for a cheap, overbearing boss for nothing but sustenance. Hi grandpa.

2. An orphan always looking off to the sky for her lost lineage. Hi dad.

3. Stranded on a desert planet she desperately wants to leave. Hi grandpa and dad.

 

[flysack]

Jeezus, the more I think about this, the more it's so obvious that she's Luke's kid. They're practically screaming it at you. She the best of both Luke and Anakin.

Further, they're taking such pains to link her to not just Luke, but Anakin as well that I'm convinced Anakin is going to appear to her in Ep. VIII as a spirit guide ala. Obi Wan, while Luke trains her in life as well ala. Yoda.

 

[Sabertooth]

Yea I'm not getting the Poe tie in. He feels more like Wedge than Luke or Han.

Is he going to be the "star" in the X-Wing movies? If so, I could see why they introduce him here. Also, maybe finding the map is the plot to those movies.

What X wing movies? Are they going to start breaking off and doing side movies now like Marvel?

 

[flysack]

one thing I noticed more on the 2nd viewing: the fight scene where rey beats ren. She's pissed, there's a part of her that is angry/hurt/vengeful. She's not afraid to use that anger, so I see that being something akin to where luke was early on in his training. she's not just happy go lucky "hey i figured out this force thingy!" she's very determined.

I saw this too. She's almost out of control and perhaps the thing that saves her from stepping over the line is the ravine that opens up between her and Ren.

If you want to see the ravine between them as a symbol, go ahead.

 

[flysack]

Yea I'm not getting the Poe tie in. He feels more like Wedge than Luke or Han.

Is he going to be the "star" in the X-Wing movies? If so, I could see why they introduce him here. Also, maybe finding the map is the plot to those movies.

What X wing movies? Are they going to start breaking off and doing side movies now like Marvel?

Yea. There's two planned spinoff/side movies in the works (that I know of).

Rogue Squadron in 2016. I'm hoping they star Po in that one, with an older Wedge in a mentoring role.

Bobba Fett in 2017? Which hopefully will be every bit of awesome I hope.

 

[flysack]

Twins run in the family. She is Ren's sister.

They split up the family "to keep them safe" and it backfired big time. This is why Luke went into solitude and explains his expression seeing Rey.

It is also probably tied to Ren's fall to the dark side somehow.

I don't think Han knew there were twins, probably a Luke/Leia scheme.

That would make Leia one of the biggest #####es in the galaxy. It's one thing to hide twin children from Vader. It's another to hide a child from Han. There's absolutely no reason to do that. No way he could've possibly done anything to warrant being lied to like that. She's Luke's daughter. It's the only thing that makes sense in my opinion.

I don't see Abrahms bringing in some new character in the next episode that no one has ever heard of that turns out to have fathered/mothered her with Luke/Leia. It would be a huge bummer..

Benecio DelToro is signed on for Episode VIII.

Ive got a bad feeling about this.

Nah. Quality actors in supporting roles has worked decently in these films. Not the prequels, obviously, but Alec Guinness was an absolute star & critical darling when he played Obi-Won.

 

[snogger]

I thought it was over rated. Ray is somehow good at everything, masters the force in 24 hours, and way to obvious ending with ren/Ray.

Have you, you know, seen a Star Wars movie before? That's basically the MO of every single titular character in the series. Literally everything that Rey is good at is something that both Luke and Anakin are also naturally good at. Anakin blows up a capital ship at like, 9 years old while basically fiddling with the controls on a star fighter and Luke destroys the Deathstar by turning off the targeting equipment and just winging it.

We've seen throughout the original trilogy that the key to Luke becoming powerful is to believe in the force and to trust it. It takes him a movie and a half to do so (outside of the Death Star trench run). Rey grew up clearly knowing the legend of Luke, the Rebellion, and the Jedi. She's already primed to believe. She fully masters that belief at the end right before she starts kicking Ren's ###.

Frankly I'm glad they didn't drag it out. People are complaining that it is too much like IV, but if it took her two movies to become any kind of a badass, they'd just be rehashing what we've seen before.

Of course I've seen them...wow.How did she even know she could do some of that stuff with nobody to train her? She has never even used a sabre before and somehow able to beat ren who has been training his entire life. It diminishes her victory by making him appear incompetent.

And Luke knew about the force and rebellion, or have u never seen the originals trilogy? And she didn't believe it till han said so.

On the Bold part.. How do you know

She obviously has some training based on the fight scene over BB-8 where she kicks the A## of two guys while Finn watches.

That scene was there more to show she has been trained then to show the attempt of the abduction of BB-8.

 

[Otis]

I liked it. I don't think it lives up to all the reviews and OMG OSCARS talk, but I liked it. It was definitely better than the prequels. Not sure it tops any of the first three. But it introduced compelling new characters and plots and is a good way to restart the franchise.

Two things hay bugged me:

Everyone got chummy way too fast. Someone mentioned this earlier. Maybe there was a reason for it, or maybe Abrams just had to get a lot done in a short time in this movie, but it felt unnatural. And some of the Han and Leia dialogue was a little ham handed and awkward, but again, maybe they just needed to catch these two up too quickly.

My bigger gripe is the light saber stuff. In the other movies it requires oodles of training to figure out how to use one. Here we have two folks pick up light sabers for the very first time and they out up a fight against (and even beat) a dude who at least clearly has some training with one and some force powers. Kyloren should have cut Fin in half on move one; the girl even with force powers picked it all up way easily. Again I think this is just a product of trying to cover too much in one film.

 

[dschuler]

I thought it was over rated. Ray is somehow good at everything, masters the force in 24 hours, and way to obvious ending with ren/Ray.

Have you, you know, seen a Star Wars movie before? That's basically the MO of every single titular character in the series. Literally everything that Rey is good at is something that both Luke and Anakin are also naturally good at. Anakin blows up a capital ship at like, 9 years old while basically fiddling with the controls on a star fighter and Luke destroys the Deathstar by turning off the targeting equipment and just winging it.

We've seen throughout the original trilogy that the key to Luke becoming powerful is to believe in the force and to trust it. It takes him a movie and a half to do so (outside of the Death Star trench run). Rey grew up clearly knowing the legend of Luke, the Rebellion, and the Jedi. She's already primed to believe. She fully masters that belief at the end right before she starts kicking Ren's ###.

Frankly I'm glad they didn't drag it out. People are complaining that it is too much like IV, but if it took her two movies to become any kind of a badass, they'd just be rehashing what we've seen before.

Of course I've seen them...wow.How did she even know she could do some of that stuff with nobody to train her? She has never even used a sabre before and somehow able to beat ren who has been training his entire life. It diminishes her victory by making him appear incompetent.

And Luke knew about the force and rebellion, or have u never seen the originals trilogy? And she didn't believe it till han said so.

On the Bold part.. How do you know She obviously has some training based on the fight scene over BB-8 where she kicks the A## of two guys while Finn watches.

That scene was there more to show she has been trained then to show the attempt of the abduction of BB-8.

Are you kidding? She implies more that she is good at everything with the force more than she has had any training. There are no hints at all that she had any kind of training whatsoever. I believe that she had to of had training but the movie doesn't hint to it, at least not enough for anyone to pick up on it.

 

[Riversco]

It is now confirmed that the voice that shouts "Rey!" in Rey's vision quest at the end is Ewan McGregor. (confirmed by the original voice actor for that part that got replaced by Ewan)

https://twitter.com/jatactor/status/678299784621350912

This tosses some speculation that Rey is actually related to Obi-Wan. An interesting possibility is that after Episode 3 when Kenobi went into hiding, he fell in love at some point and fathered a daughter. The daughter of Kenobi eventually fell in love with Luke Skywalker. Thus Rey is Luke's daughter AND Obi-Wan's granddaughter.

But who knows. Its odd to stick Obi-Wan's voice in the vision quest unless they are related tho.

 

[flysack]

My bigger gripe is the light saber stuff. In the other movies it requires oodlesn of training to figure out how to use one. Here we have two folks pick up light sabers for the very first time and they out up a fight against (and even beat) a dude who at least clearly has some training with one and some force powers. Ten should have cut Fin in half on move one; the girl even with force powers picked it all up way easily. Again I think this is just a product of trying to cover too much in one film.

There's been a lot of talk about that in here, Oats.

I defend it as the film showing that both Finn and Rey were competent with other weapons, hand-to-hand type of weapons before using the lightsaber.

Finn less so ("I know how to use a blaster") and he's also less competent with it. That stormtrooper kicked his butt with his electrified staff (or whatever it was). Kylo Ren also demolishes him. Finn got a couple lucky hits in mainly because Ren was severely wounded by the bowcaster shot.

Rey was already a badass with her staff. She kicked the crap out of those two thugs who tried to steal BB-8. Combine that with her abilities with the force and a beaten up Ren, and you can see how she was able to defeat him. Note that the battle doesn't turn in her favor until she closes her eyes and consciously focuses on the Force.

 

[El Floppo]

So 2 1/2 hours is too long to go without needing to go to the bathroom?

 

[flysack]

It is now confirmed that the voice that shouts "Rey!" in Rey's vision quest at the end is Ewan McGregor. (confirmed by the original voice actor for that part that got replaced by Ewan)

https://twitter.com/jatactor/status/678299784621350912

This tosses some speculation that Rey is actually related to Obi-Wan. An interesting possibility is that after Episode 3 when Kenobi went into hiding, he fell in love at some point and fathered a daughter. The daughter of Kenobi eventually fell in love with Luke Skywalker. Thus Rey is Luke's daughter AND Obi-Wan's granddaughter.

But who knows. Its odd to stick Obi-Wan's voice in the vision quest unless they are related tho.

Interesting.

 

[dschuler]

I liked it. I don't think it lives up to all the reviews abs OMG OSCARS talk, but I liked it. It was definitely better than the prequels. Not sure it tops any of the first three. But it introduced compelling new characters and plots and is a good way to restart the franchise.

Two things hay bugged me:

Everyone got chummy way too fast. Someone mentioned this earlier. Maybe there was a reason for it, or maybe Abrams just had to get a lot done in a short time in this movie, but it felt unnatural. And some of the Han and Leia dialogue was a little ham handed and awkward, but again, maybe they just needed to catch these two up too quickly.

My bigger gripe is the light saber stuff. In the other movies it requires oodlesn of training to figure out how to use one. Here we have two folks pick up light sabers for the very first time and they out up a fight against (and even beat) a dude who at least clearly has some training with one and some force powers. Ten should have cut Fin in half on move one; the girl even with force powers picked it all up way easily. Again I think this is just a product of trying to cover too much in one film.

Exactly. Take a trained US military member and give him a sword. Have him sword fight against someone who has been trained against the best in the world. The military member would get sliced in half in a few seconds. Kylo didn't just have some training, he had training from Luke and the dark side. The best both sides have to offer in the galaxy. He should have been be able to slice them up like butter. And I agree with your reasoning. It's having to cover too much too quickly because JJ tried to cover all basis but it was at the cost of the story. No way should either one of them held off Kylo that long let alone make him look weak, meanwhile Luke was getting his ### kicked by a combat remote when he had a light saber in episode IV.

http://youtu.be/X69NCLxwLEY

 

[Billy Bats]

Yea I'm not getting the Poe tie in. He feels more like Wedge than Luke or Han.

Is he going to be the "star" in the X-Wing movies? If so, I could see why they introduce him here. Also, maybe finding the map is the plot to those movies.

What X wing movies? Are they going to start breaking off and doing side movies now like Marvel?

Yea. There's two planned spinoff/side movies in the works (that I know of).

Rogue Squadron in 2016. I'm hoping they star Po in that one, with an older Wedge in a mentoring role.

No can do. The plot is about the mission to steal the original Death Star plans, which occurred before Ep IV.

 

[Riversco]

At some point in the development of Episode 7, the writers were going to give the Resistance a super weapon called the Warhammer.

http://s2.postimg.org/604f4c3u1/654323456654.png

The Warhammer's special ability was that it could penetrate shields and then deploy ships.

 

[snogger]

I thought it was over rated. Ray is somehow good at everything, masters the force in 24 hours, and way to obvious ending with ren/Ray.

Have you, you know, seen a Star Wars movie before? That's basically the MO of every single titular character in the series. Literally everything that Rey is good at is something that both Luke and Anakin are also naturally good at. Anakin blows up a capital ship at like, 9 years old while basically fiddling with the controls on a star fighter and Luke destroys the Deathstar by turning off the targeting equipment and just winging it.

We've seen throughout the original trilogy that the key to Luke becoming powerful is to believe in the force and to trust it. It takes him a movie and a half to do so (outside of the Death Star trench run). Rey grew up clearly knowing the legend of Luke, the Rebellion, and the Jedi. She's already primed to believe. She fully masters that belief at the end right before she starts kicking Ren's ###.

Frankly I'm glad they didn't drag it out. People are complaining that it is too much like IV, but if it took her two movies to become any kind of a badass, they'd just be rehashing what we've seen before.

Of course I've seen them...wow.How did she even know she could do some of that stuff with nobody to train her? She has never even used a sabre before and somehow able to beat ren who has been training his entire life. It diminishes her victory by making him appear incompetent.

And Luke knew about the force and rebellion, or have u never seen the originals trilogy? And she didn't believe it till han said so.

On the Bold part.. How do you know She obviously has some training based on the fight scene over BB-8 where she kicks the A## of two guys while Finn watches.

That scene was there more to show she has been trained then to show the attempt of the abduction of BB-8.

Are you kidding? She implies more that she is good at everything with the force more than she has had any training. There are no hints at all that she had any kind of training whatsoever. I believe that she had to of had training but the movie doesn't hint to it, at least not enough for anyone to pick up on it.

Maybe I saw/read to much into that fight but while I was watching that was how I took it.. She's had some training in regards to fighting, otherwise the fight vs. two thugs would have been over in seconds and BB-8 would have been theirs..

 

[snogger]

I liked it. I don't think it lives up to all the reviews abs OMG OSCARS talk, but I liked it. It was definitely better than the prequels. Not sure it tops any of the first three. But it introduced compelling new characters and plots and is a good way to restart the franchise.

Two things hay bugged me:

Everyone got chummy way too fast. Someone mentioned this earlier. Maybe there was a reason for it, or maybe Abrams just had to get a lot done in a short time in this movie, but it felt unnatural. And some of the Han and Leia dialogue was a little ham handed and awkward, but again, maybe they just needed to catch these two up too quickly.

My bigger gripe is the light saber stuff. In the other movies it requires oodlesn of training to figure out how to use one. Here we have two folks pick up light sabers for the very first time and they out up a fight against (and even beat) a dude who at least clearly has some training with one and some force powers. Ten should have cut Fin in half on move one; the girl even with force powers picked it all up way easily. Again I think this is just a product of trying to cover too much in one film.

Exactly. Take a trained US military member and give him a sword. Have him sword fight against someone who has been trained against the best in the world. The military member would get sliced in half in a few seconds. Kylo didn't just have some training, he had training from Luke and the dark side. The best both sides have to offer in the galaxy. He should have been be able to slice them up like butter. And I agree with your reasoning. It's having to cover too much too quickly because JJ tried to cover all basis but it was at the cost of the story. No way should either one of them held off Kylo that long let alone make him look weak, meanwhile Luke was getting his ### kicked by a combat remote when he had a light saber in episode IV.

http://youtu.be/X69NCLxwLEY

Blaster vs. Saber is not equal to Saber vs. Saber.. Those trained in Hand to hand combat( Rey shows the ability to fight with a staff vs. two thugs) will be better saber vs. saber, then blaster vs. saber..

I know some hold the Light Saber as some magically weapon that only those with the force should be able to use.. Others, like myself, see them as a very powerful "sword" and if trained to fight with Staff's, swords, etc.. then wielding a Light Saber wouldn't be that hard..

Now, as has been mentioned above, had Rey or Finn blocked blaster shots with the saber then I'd be right there with you with a

 

[Billy Bats]

From the book, on Rey's piloting ability:

Thanks. She shrugged. Ive been flying every kind of junk you can imagine almost since I could walk.

 

[Insein]

This was the Star Trek into darkness of Star wars. It's good and fun but too many parallels to the original. For 8 it needs to stand on its own.

I agree with most of our comments about The Force Awakens but I think you really mean Star Trek not Star Trek Into Darkeness. Some people complained about Into Darkness being well, too dark, so I think I think Abrhams went back to the style of Star Trek which made him famous and I'm sure that is what Disney wanted.

you missed his point.

Star Trek Into Darkness was very similar to Wrath of Khan in the same ways that EP7 was similar to EP4

Though not directing, the next Star Wars might be a copy of Empire Strikes Back. The darkest of the the original trilogy. Abrams should be seen as a bit of a dervative hack if the the next one is darker and similar to Empire. Camp then dark, slightly less campy sequel that copies a movie from original movies.

Well he's not writing or directing the next one. So I hope the next one has an original story, with no super weapons.

 

[Rick James]

People are forgetting that Ren took a direct shot from Chewie's bowcaster before fighting Rey and Finn. That thing was blowing up storm troopers left and right, so Ren was definitely not 100% for the final fights.

 

[Insein]

People feel Rey was trained and mind wiped?? Where did THAT come from?

Not saying I disagree, but just not sure why that would be a "thing" people are discussing

there have been about 100 posts on it in this thread alone along with a ton of other random speculation about Rey and the flashback scene and how she relates to either the Solo's or Skywalkers, why she was so good with the saber etc.

Lots of good stuff people have come up with but it is all idle speculation until we see EP8.

Uh oh, I might have missed a flashback scene when I took a bathroom break.

Why the hell don't 2+ hour movies throw a 5 minute intermission in there?? Jesus H Christ.

I just got a weird feeling she was Luke's daughter, but you woulda thought Han would have known that and maybe mentioned it.

She certainly has SOME sort of relation to one or both in some capacity. Will find out in two years I guess

Yea if you missed the flashback scene, you missed the most interesting part of the movie in regards to the plot.

 

[Insein]

My final conclusion is that Rey = Mara Jade

So she's Luke's wife then?

 

[Riversco]

Abrams is more than capable of creating his own mythology. I think he's going WAY overboard trying to appease hardcore fans to the point where he's just remaking the films.

Today, its probably pretty difficult to rewatch Star Trek Into Darkness because its really just a rehash of Wrath of Khan and everyone knows it. I think in a few years, most people are going to settle on the same attitude towards Episode 7. Its just a rehash.

 

[Insein]

Rey seems to be pretty clearly Han and Leia's daughter or am I missing a reason why this isn't so?

I assumed the second hand nature with the falcon was the nod there.

This and other things point to it IMO, but other people seem convinced she's Luke's kid despite no mention of a mother. Maybe he cloned her?

 

[hagmania]

Great movie.

Brought my 12 yr old who hasn't seen any of the of the previous movies - he enjoyed it as well. Stood well on its own.

Also did a great job mixing the old characters into the new.

Definitely going to see again - next time IMAX.

It's borderline child abuse that you haven't sat your kid down to watch the original trilogy yet...especially before seeing this.

Maybe for a 12 year old, but I think this is a great introduction to Star Wars.

 

[hagmania]

Going back a few pages but the Han death scene was not all that emotional. However if Kylo kills Leia in a similar way, there will be more emotion because we know he killed his father too.

Like always, completely disagree. My theatre was in shock. Very gripping scene.

Same here. Dead silence

It was silent cause it was a movie. Unless you took a straw poll right at that time, shock may not have been on their minds. The death was set up way before the saber went through him. What did you all think, Han was going to walk back on the bridge hand-in-hand with Ren?

It was the most least surprising scene, once Han started walking towards him I knew it was coming.

Once Han showed up so early in the film it seemed clear to me.

 

[Todem]

My fears of JJ Abrams doing to Star Wars as he did with Star Trek have come true. I just am not a big fan of going over the same material and think that he should have had Han in as a cameo role instead of a main character. The focus of the story should have been all Rey's and I didn't really like the writing or acting for Finn. Overall I thought outside of Rey the casting was pretty awful. Carrie Fisher never should have been in the movie. She reminded me of the after photos in one of those don't do meth ads. Having known actors, as has been stated, is annoying, but if they were going to do it then Max Von Sydow should have been Supreme Leader Snoke. I didn't understand why they didn't use a real "actor" instead of having Andy Serkis be a big Gollum.

The General Hux character was also annoying with the lisp thing. I have never seen that actor before, but I assume he doesn't do that in real life, and it was done to make some point. Gwendoline Christie's voice for any GOT fans was distracting. Adam Driver's character was another one where I didn't get the reason for casting him. First it was stupid IMO to have him be Han and Leia's son gone Vader. Second, this was just another character like Finn's where I never understood the changes they made.

Everything seemed to be too rushed so that Abrams could get in all these characters. Rey and Finn were too knowledgeable about every subject and gained skills out of nowhere. JJ also borrowed things from the former movies, like he did with Star Trek, too often. I was hoping to get out of the wooden dialogue that we had with Lucas, but there it was again. Overall I was disappointed.

Oh so your that guy......ok.

Movie was a glorious return to what made Star Wars great. After going through what now seems like a disaster with Episodes 1-3, this was a refreshing return to the Star Wars most of us here grew up with.

5/5

The Star Wars mystic has fully returned and is going to be incredible over the next two main films (and origin stories planned). Abrams hit it out of the park just like he did with Star Trek.

I remember laboring through all those New Generation big screen movies. My god they were so freaking ponderous. Then Abrams reboot's the original crew and those two movies were awesome fun. Young people love Star Trek now. It looks and feels hip.

Star wars felt hip again with The Force Awakens. The dog fights, the gun play and not the over use of light sabers. It was all just magical. A non stop tour de force of a film. Yes it drew a ton from Episode IV. Purely intentional so a new generation of fans can experience what a real Star Wars film is like on the big screen. Not the dreck (which until episode VII I thought was decent) that Lucas unleashed on kids back in 99, 01. I still really enjoyed Episode III.

My son who is almost 11 loves the original trilogy and only Episode III. He wants to go see this again today! And we are. It was magnificent.

 

[Todem]

This was the Star Trek into darkness of Star wars. It's good and fun but too many parallels to the original. For 8 it needs to stand on its own.

I agree with most of our comments about The Force Awakens but I think you really mean Star Trek not Star Trek Into Darkeness. Some people complained about Into Darkness being well, too dark, so I think I think Abrhams went back to the style of Star Trek which made him famous and I'm sure that is what Disney wanted.

you missed his point.

Star Trek Into Darkness was very similar to Wrath of Khan in the same ways that EP7 was similar to EP4

Though not directing, the next Star Wars might be a copy of Empire Strikes Back. The darkest of the the original trilogy. Abrams should be seen as a bit of a dervative hack if the the next one is darker and similar to Empire. Camp then dark, slightly less campy sequel that copies a movie from original movies.

Well he's not writing or directing the next one. So I hope the next one has an original story, with no super weapons.

Oh yeah. He was bleeding out from his side. He was no doubt badly wounded.

 

[Mario Kart]

For those who think this has been some rehash of IV...

- where was the ceremony at the end of the movie?

- Where was the teacher (Obi-Wan)?

- Where were a off world family that gets burned?

- Where was the imposing bad guy? (Kylo is no where near imposing)

- many more...

Was the story "formulaic"? Maybe a little but you have to remember that many of us are much older and have more stories to fall back on to compare it with. For a kid, that doesn't have the experiences we do, this movie is darn near perfect. A little myth, a little action, newer story, who is Luke, how does Han impact the future, what is Rey's past? Kids should eat this up.

 

[Otis]

Also Daisy Ridley is gorgeous. Reminds me of Keira Knightley. And she's a helluva actress too. Wonderful casting.