STAR WARS: EP 7 ***SPOILER ZONE*** - Go here if you've seen it (1 Viewer)

[mcintyre1]

Also, after seeing the final battle again, I don't agree with people saying that it is ridiculous that Kylo was "matched" by Finn and Rey with a lightsaber, because he clearly wasn't.

When Finn attacks him, you can clearly see that Kylo is toying with him, letting his guard down after hard strikes that knock Finn off balance. He's toying with him and he's cocky about it, which causes him to lose focus. As I've said in here before, Kylo is quite powerful when he's focused, we see that several times in the movie, but when he gets distracted or emotional, he makes mistakes or loses a lot of strength with the force (like when Rey turns the tables on him during mind reading). As soon as Finn lands a glancing blow due to Kylo's lack of focus, Kylo immediately disarms Finn with practically no effort and badly injures him.

When Rey gets the saber, the entire fight up until her moment of true belief is Rey either poking directly forward with the saber to be easily parried by Kylo, or frantically defending herself against Kylo's powerful swings. Again, remember that Kylo is not trying to injure Rey. Snoke ordered him to bring her back. Kylo is trying to pin her in a spot she cannot escape from and capture her. After Rey has her "close your eyes and believe / destroy the death star" moment, Rey's fighting style is completely different and, having watched all 6 movies in the last week, I have to say that the style is remarkably similar to PT Anakin's style when he had that saber. High guard, downward strikes, very quick (as opposed to Vader's strong, slow, sweeping strikes). I think, for lack of a better way to describe it, Rey allowed the lightsaber to guide her through the force. There's very little time between Rey's moment and the end of the fight, which, if you believe my theory, makes sense. Kylo went from fighting a total novice to defending against the style of and latent skill of a veteran Jedi master. Kylo is quickly hobbled and Rey ends the fight.

 

[cstu]

This movie gives us squat. A new republic has been formed but we only know it's on a no name planet by the bad guys right before they blow it up. And how powerful is this new republic if they have a resistance that resists the supposedly defeated Empire? Why don't they have an an established navy and army? Wouldn't it make sense to get that set up since the empire probably isn't going to go away without a fight. We have no clue. We get nothing explaining anything. The whole movie takes place in what feels like one system where everything happens. Aside from Han, Chewie, Leia and Luke, nothing resembles the Star Wars galaxy as far as the landscape. This could be just an alternate dimension where a different set of events take place and we're watching that story for as much as they give us.

This is a very complicated Republic, Insein. You know, a lotta ins, lotta outs, lotta what-have-you's.

 

[dparker713]

Another one that I forgot, but is kind of a stretch anyways. Aside from the referenced lackeys who died getting those beasts onto the freighter for Han and Chewie, we know them to only work alone. We've seen only two exceptions to this: when Han tries to offer Luke a job with him and to not attack the Death Star, and when Han tries to get Rey to stay with them. I think he knows that Rey is his niece and wants to keep her under watch now that he's found her after all those years.

Han and Chewie are only open for smuggling a few times during these 4 movies. When Ben hires them, just before the Battle of Yavin, when they're leaving Hoth, and during the Force Awakens before the rebels show up. Thats basically 3 chances to take on more crew and they try 2 times.

 

[Billy Bats]

Empire is one of the finest films ever made. It's a nearly perfect piece of writing in my opinion. In terms of film sequels the only one ever made that's better in my opinion is Godfather 2.

while many/most would agree with you, it is beyond ironic that George Lucas thinks it is the worst film

I have seen him say "people say it is the best but it is the worst of the movies"

He has also question if people loved it so much, why did it do the worst at the box office of all his movies.

In his warped mind, he fixed the problems in Empire by creating teddy bears that kids would love.

That says a lot about Lucas and explains how he could've lost his way so badly with the prequels.

Now that's what we assume, and there's where we would all be wrong. Lucas will tell you to this day that the original trilogy is istill only a low percentage of what he envisioned. Even after adding all of his cartoon effects. The prequel trilogy is closer to his imagination and vision of Star Wars.

And I don't believe for one second that the negatives/prints for ANH, maybe the all 3, are damaged beyond viewing. What instantly became an industry changing movie followed by two more blockbuster films would be taken care of as treasures. That ####er has them locked up somewhere and hidden away because he doesn't like them.

 

[Capella]

It's not just the dying... it's the in-between years that we don't see. Misery all around.

Unfortunately we can only infer how that went. They don't really explain anything about it.

Thats the problem with the movie I have. They explain nothing about anything at all that happens in the film.

I mean that's my biggest complaint too. It feels like the whole thing takes place inside of one system. I don't get a galactic struggle kind of feel for what is happening. And the lack of explanation for the government setup bugs me to no end.

You must've loved the prequels.

I couldn't give two ####s about some government setup. Episode 2 was like watching galactic cspan.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I remember in the first Star Wars movie when Darth Vader told Luke he was his father, and then Luke found out he was Leia's brother, and trained with Yoda and became a Jedi and defeated the Empire. What a great movie!

Hmmm...

 

[Rick James]

Second viewing was even better than the first, because I wasn't anticipating Luke making an appearance and I could enjoy what was being shown to me.

Kylo Ren is a fascinating villain. Can't wait to see him in VIII. I'm sure he will be much more focused and powerful.

 

[Insein]

It's not just the dying... it's the in-between years that we don't see. Misery all around.

Unfortunately we can only infer how that went. They don't really explain anything about it.

Thats the problem with the movie I have. They explain nothing about anything at all that happens in the film.

I mean that's my biggest complaint too. It feels like the whole thing takes place inside of one system. I don't get a galactic struggle kind of feel for what is happening. And the lack of explanation for the government setup bugs me to no end.

You must've loved the prequels. I couldn't give two ####s about some government setup. Episode 2 was like watching galactic cspan.

Then I guess you hate Episode 4 as well with the political setup that established what the Empire is.

I'm telling you the more people comment on the prequels the more I'm convinced that TFA was written based on fan reactions to the past films rather than actually coming up with a story.

 

[Capella]

It's not just the dying... it's the in-between years that we don't see. Misery all around.

Unfortunately we can only infer how that went. They don't really explain anything about it.

Thats the problem with the movie I have. They explain nothing about anything at all that happens in the film.

I mean that's my biggest complaint too. It feels like the whole thing takes place inside of one system. I don't get a galactic struggle kind of feel for what is happening. And the lack of explanation for the government setup bugs me to no end.

You must've loved the prequels. I couldn't give two ####s about some government setup. Episode 2 was like watching galactic cspan.

Then I guess you hate Episode 4 as well with the political setup that established what the Empire is. I'm telling you the more people comment on the prequels the more I'm convinced that TFA was written based on fan reactions to the past films rather than actually coming up with a story.

They came up with a great story outside of attacking the Death Star. You just choose to ignore it.

 

[Guest]

Alright, after seeing it again tonight, I'm now certain that Rey is Luke's kid for a few a couple reasons.

First, I noticed that there are two distinct times in the movie where the scene ends right as you could expect Han to say something revealing about Rey's identity, implying that Han knows exactly who she is. The obvious one is when Maz asks "Who's the girl?" and they cut away. The second time that I didn't appreciate before was right after Leia first appears and Han says that he saw their son. The natural continuation of that conversation would be "and she took Rey", but the scene cuts before Rey is mentioned. Later, when Finn grabs Poe and they run to tell Leia that the First Order has Rey, Leia cuts him off to tell him that Han already told her "about the girl." Could be nothing, but that feels deliberate to me, given all of the other allusions to her parentage.

Second, there are two distinct times in the movie when the classic "The Force Theme" plays and they are both directly associated with Rey on the screen. I'm tired and can't remember when the first happened, but it was definitely a Rey moment, but the second time is right after Rey pulls the lightsaber to her. Admittedly, that theme is used in every Star Wars movie for various things, but the iconic association for the music is when Luke is staring off into the sunset in A New Hope.

Another one that I forgot, but is kind of a stretch anyways. Aside from the referenced lackeys who died getting those beasts onto the freighter for Han and Chewie, we know them to only work alone. We've seen only two exceptions to this: when Han tries to offer Luke a job with him and to not attack the Death Star, and when Han tries to get Rey to stay with them. I think he knows that Rey is his niece and wants to keep her under watch now that he's found her after all those years.

Of course. The iconic shot of the landspeeder with Luke across the desert with the heat rising was paralleled with Rey piloting her similar crafty. Prodigious piloting abilities and engineering knowledge. And Luke's reaction.

She's a Skywalker.

Edit: also the parallel shot looking back at the droid and reluctantly motioning for it to follow...

 

[Insein]

It's not just the dying... it's the in-between years that we don't see. Misery all around.

Unfortunately we can only infer how that went. They don't really explain anything about it.

Thats the problem with the movie I have. They explain nothing about anything at all that happens in the film.

I mean that's my biggest complaint too. It feels like the whole thing takes place inside of one system. I don't get a galactic struggle kind of feel for what is happening. And the lack of explanation for the government setup bugs me to no end.

You must've loved the prequels. I couldn't give two ####s about some government setup. Episode 2 was like watching galactic cspan.

Then I guess you hate Episode 4 as well with the political setup that established what the Empire is. I'm telling you the more people comment on the prequels the more I'm convinced that TFA was written based on fan reactions to the past films rather than actually coming up with a story.

They came up with a great story outside of attacking the Death Star. You just choose to ignore it.

Which was? I saw people. A little force stuff. Some cool scenes. Han and Leia have a kid. He's evil. Ultra Megadeth Star blows up a meaningless planet. Han dead. Rey goes super saiyan for a minute. Ultra megadeth star destroyed. Here's Luke.

Did I miss anything?

 

[packersfan]

I don't care about the government aspect of all this. There's good guys and bad guys. That's enough for me.

If this is the first movie ever called Star Wars, cool. It isn't. I want to know where the hell we are in the galaxy and why I should care about what's happening. It's not enough for me to say good guys yay, bad guys boo.

It's a fantasy movie so for me that's enough. The political mechanism involved is of no interest to me whatsoever.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

This is not better than A New Hope. It's Definitely not better than Empire Strikes Back. Probably edges out Return of the Jedi, but I'm not entirely sure about that.

Entertaining movie and well done, but the story is waaay too derivative. It also felt like Lucas himself submitted the dialogue for Han and Leia.

7/10?

 

[El Floppo]

I don't care about the government aspect of all this. There's good guys and bad guys. That's enough for me.

If this is the first movie ever called Star Wars, cool. It isn't. I want to know where the hell we are in the galaxy and why I should care about what's happening. It's not enough for me to say good guys yay, bad guys boo.

Yes, if there's one thing the prequels taught us, it's that audiences can't get enough explanation of the political situation. More Galactic Senate scenes!

Even the opening crawl giving us a two paragraph explanation of what is going on might have been enough. Instead they give nothing.

they gave us storm-troopers and a deathstar.

that was enough for me to know we got bad guys over there, and good guys over here.

 

[packersfan]

This is not better than A New Hope. It's Definitely not better than Empire Strikes Back. Probably edges out Return of the Jedi, but I'm not entirely sure about that.

I'd rank it behind Jedi but Luke becoming a full-fledged Jedi is one of my favorite parts of the series.

 

[Rick James]

blasphemous I know, but I actually prefer ROTJ over ESB.

 

[packersfan]

blasphemous I know, but I actually prefer ROTJ over ESB.

I can't go that far but I've always thought Jedi has gotten a bad rap. I think it's a very entertaining film and a fine conclusion to the original trilogy.

 

[El Floppo]

This is not better than A New Hope. It's Definitely not better than Empire Strikes Back. Probably edges out Return of the Jedi, but I'm not entirely sure about that.

Entertaining movie and well done, but the story is waaay too derivative. It also felt like Lucas himself submitted the dialogue for Han and Leia.

7/10?

I'll admit, I pretty much tuned out the Han and Leia talks. my gb picked one of them for his bathroom trip... which makes sense.

I think part of what I liked about this one was that the story felt... not really derivative, but more a continuation of the previous. yeah in the story-telling there was a lot of rehashed elements to obviously try to win back those of us who loved the first three and hated the prequels. but overall it felt like I was watching more of the same from the first three... and that's not a bad thing for me. and I'm interested in seeing where it goes- totally agree with IK's previous post about potentially seeing the tandem growth of light/dark Force in Rey and Kylo as a fantastic story-telling device.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

I can forgive the retread stuff so long as it sets up an interesting trajectory for future movies.

I really didn't expect to see another f'n Death Star with a fundamental weakness. :facepalm:

 

[Insein]

blasphemous I know, but I actually prefer ROTJ over ESB.

As a kid, Jedi was my favorite. We would go to the video store every weekend and every weekend I would rent RoTJ. The jabba scenes, Forest battle and space battle were epic. Then Luke vs Vader part 2 was awesome. All culminating in one big happy ending. Perfect kid me.

As I got older, I appreciated Ep4 and ESB much better.

 

[Insein]

I can forgive the retread stuff so long as it sets up an interesting trajectory for future movies.

I really didn't expect to see another f'n Death Star with a fundamental weakness. :facepalm:

I'm sure if we go back in the EP 7 thread that was probably one of the worries people had. Not to have another death Star.

 

[snogger]

Figured this was as good of a place to share as any.. In case you are not "Star War's'd Out" yet..

Star Wars Snowflakes Are Taking Over the Galaxy!

 

[Hang 10]

It's not just the dying... it's the in-between years that we don't see. Misery all around.

Unfortunately we can only infer how that went. They don't really explain anything about it.

Thats the problem with the movie I have. They explain nothing about anything at all that happens in the film.

I mean that's my biggest complaint too. It feels like the whole thing takes place inside of one system. I don't get a galactic struggle kind of feel for what is happening. And the lack of explanation for the government setup bugs me to no end.

You must've loved the prequels.I couldn't give two ####s about some government setup. Episode 2 was like watching galactic cspan.

Then I guess you hate Episode 4 as well with the political setup that established what the Empire is.

I'm telling you the more people comment on the prequels the more I'm convinced that TFA was written based on fan reactions to the past films rather than actually coming up with a story.

I guess to belabor a point, the reason we weren't given a continuation of the star wars story is because this movie wasn't a true sequel. It was a reboot. Disney was just resetting the pieces on a chess board. Who are the new order? They're the empire. Who are the resistance? They're the rebels. Telling us why isn't going to sell them any more toys.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

I can forgive the retread stuff so long as it sets up an interesting trajectory for future movies.

I really didn't expect to see another f'n Death Star with a fundamental weakness. :facepalm:

"This part seems important...let's have...six guys guarding it."

 

[LAUNCH]

It's the Hangover 2 mixed in with the Bourne Identity.

 

[El Floppo]

I can forgive the retread stuff so long as it sets up an interesting trajectory for future movies.

I really didn't expect to see another f'n Death Star with a fundamental weakness. :facepalm:

I'm sure if we go back in the EP 7 thread that was probably one of the worries people had. Not to have another death Star.

I don't know- it wasn't a worry for me, because I couldn't even imagine them trotting out yet another death star.

 

[mcintyre1]

I can forgive the retread stuff so long as it sets up an interesting trajectory for future movies.

I really didn't expect to see another f'n Death Star with a fundamental weakness. :facepalm:

"This part seems important...let's have...six guys guarding it."

While I agree that the "there's always a weakness" trope is a bit tired, you have to give the bad guys a little credit.

The Death Star had a critical weakness, but it required someone using the Force to exploit it (and remember, as far as the Empire was concerned there were essentially no Jedi left to do so).

Death Star II had no such weakness, but wasn't finished when the Rebels found it and the shield generator was external.

Starkiller base had an internal shield system that could only be circumvented by doing something insane (using a hyperdrive to approach the planet), and the "weakness" the rebels exploited was actually pretty strong. Despite being taken completely by surprise without the help of their shielding and without any fighter cover, the First Order still successfully defended the weak spot (and the weak spot held up to heavy punishment itself) up until previously mentioned crazies that knocked out the shield also managed to blow a hole in the structure. It then took an amazing pilot to fly through said hole and fire several salvos of perfectly placed shots to destroy the base. What kind of engineer can predict that ####?

 

[Rick James]

i mean if you're the empire and you have the method and the means to build deathstars...wouldn't you keep building them? they're hella effective

 

[Mr. Pickles]

I can forgive the retread stuff so long as it sets up an interesting trajectory for future movies.

I really didn't expect to see another f'n Death Star with a fundamental weakness. :facepalm:

"This part seems important...let's have...six guys guarding it."

Place turned into a ghost town.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

It then took an amazing pilot to fly through said hole and fire several salvos of perfectly placed shots to destroy the base. What kind of engineer can predict that ####?

That's impossible, even for a computer.

 

[AcerFC]

I just read some interesting stuff about SW Rogue one, due out Dec 16, 2016

Spoiler

Vader is in it

 

[Porkchop Express]

Im in the minority and was underwhelmed by it. Some of the things that stood out was the lack of urgency and tension for the climax, the lack of a memorable John Williams score, and the gratuitous callbacks to previous movies.

 

[snogger]

I just read some interesting stuff about SW Rogue one, due out Dec 16, 2016

Spoiler

Vader is in it

Well.. yea.. It takes place between Episode III and Episode IV

 

[siffoin]

i mean if you're the empire and you have the method and the means to build deathstars...wouldn't you keep building them? they're hella effective

The destruction of 2 Death Stars would have caused a financial crisis of galactic proportions, and the collapse of the Empire.

http://www.popsci.com/what-are-economic-effects-subprime-death-star-mortgage-crisis

 

[FUBAR]

Im in the minority and was underwhelmed by it. Some of the things that stood out was the lack of urgency and tension for the climax, the lack of a memorable John Williams score, and the gratuitous callbacks to previous movies.

it's either a vocal minority or not the minority. Seems many people are underwhelmed. It was entertaining but not as good as we wanted it to be.

 

[tangfoot]

Anyone see it in 3D? I went Thursday night and saw it in 2D but thinking of going again with my 11yo. If so wondering if it's worth 3D.

I saw it in 3D and it was bothering me for a while at the beginning. It made the scenes darker and just didn't add anything. Thankfully I got used to it after a while and it didn't detract from the enjoyment like I was fearing after the first few minutes.

I've only seen a handful of movies in 3D, but it seems like it takes my brain about 15-20 minutes to stop fighting the "this isn't really three dimensions" and then I really start to enjoy it. Also, I've noticed that I pretty much have to keep my head steady. Any left/right movement causes flickering and I get pulled out of the effect.

 

[tangfoot]

The main story in this movie is pretty weak. A map to Luke Skywalker, like he's some kind of X-marks-the-spot treasure? Come on.

They did say that it was a map to "the original Jedi temple" or something like that. And that it wasn't any certainty that Luke was there, but that was the best theory after he disappeared.

 

[Billy Bats]

i mean if you're the empire and you have the method and the means to build deathstars...wouldn't you keep building them? they're hella effective

On a galactic scale, what else are you going to threaten people with to try and scare them into submission?

 

[[icon]]

I can forgive the retread stuff so long as it sets up an interesting trajectory for future movies.

I really didn't expect to see another f'n Death Star with a fundamental weakness. :facepalm:

As it was unfolding I actually laughed.

So there's somehow magically a new "empire" out of nowhere with a bionic dark jedi who is related to a key rebel figure, and who is guided by a holographic supreme leader... they're aboard a weaponized planet with a ***** in the armor (accessed via a narrow tunnel fitted with guns that can't hit anything), and protected by a shield that is easily downed by a small band of plucky rebels just in the nick of time?

Is this George Lucas shtick? To see how many times he can sell the exact same storyline?

Please please please let Episode VIII have an even bigger, blacker deathstar.... PLEASE

Boring wooden characters and dialog I didn't care about.

Too much JJ Abrahms effects masturbation

Comically derivative storyline.

7/10 and I feel like I'm being generous.

 

[tangfoot]

Too much JJ Abrahms effects masturbation

Wait, what? I thought the effects were extremely understated. Especially compared to JJ's back catalog, and certainly compared to the prequels.

 

[renesauz]

Here is a random internet theory, and it kind of makes sense. (Sorry for the caps lock, just copying and pasting)

OK SO WE GOT OUT OF OUR SECOND THE FORCE AWAKENS SHOWING AND MY DAD WAS DRIVING US HOME AND OUT OF NOWHERE HE WAS LIKE: .oh my god. w HAT IF KYLO REN CHOSE TO GO TO THE DARK SIDE SO HE COULD HELP THE LIGHT SIDE! AND I WAS LIKE WHAT! SO HE WAS LIKE HEAR ME OUT WHAT IF HE WENT TO THE DARK SIDE JUST SO HE COULD KILL SNOKE!!!!

AND THATS WHY HES SO CONFLICTED, AND THATS WHY HE FEELS THE TEMPTATION OF THE LIGHT SIDE STRONGER THAN THE DARK!!!!!

THATS WHY HE TALKS TO VADERS HELMET, BECAUSE HE IS GONNA FINISH WHAT ANAKIN, THE CHOSEN ONE, STARTED!!! (that's a good point)

HE HAD TO COMPLETELY TURN AWAY FROM HIS FAMILY IN ORDER TO DO THAT! TO BECOME A SITH FULLY AND COMPLETELY YOU HAVE TO SACRIFICE SOMEONE YOU LOVE TO DEATH, IN HIS CASE IT WAS HAN!

THATS WHY HE TELLS HAN HE FEELS LIKE HES BEING TORN APART INSIDE, BECAUSE HE DOESNT WANT TO DO IT AT ALL, BUT ITS THE ONLY POSSIBLE WAY TO BECOME A SITH AND COMPLETE HIS TASK!!!!! KYLO LITERALLY UTTER THE WORDS WILL YOU HELP ME TO HAN, AND HAN SAYS ANYTHING YOU NEED (OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT I CANT REMEMBER)! WHAT HES ASKING IS IF HAN WILL DIE IN ORDER FOR HIM TO COMPLETE HIS ####### TASK

THATS WHY IT LOOKED LIKE HE KNEW WHO REY WAS, BECAUSE HE NEEDS TO PROTECT HER THATS WHY HE OFFERS HER TO BE HER TEACHER, HE NEEDS SOMEONE AS POWERFUL AS REY ITLL BE LITERALLY THE DARK SIDE AND THE LIGHT SIDE JOINING UP TO DEFEAT ONE ENEMY TOGETHER AS ONE, WHICH IS BASICALLY WHAT THE FORCE IS.

THEY LIVE SIDE BY SIDE IN IT THATS WHY HES SO CONFLICTED ALL THE TIME, THATS WHY HIS FIGHT STYLE ISNT LIKE A SITHS AT ALL!

HAN DYING WOULDNT BE FOR NOTHING, HE LITERALLY DIED SO HIS FAMILY COULD FINISH SAVING THE GALAXY. REY, KYLO, LUKE, LEIA, FINN AND POE ARE GONNA DESTROY THE LAST SITH TOGETHER AND BRING BALANCE TO THE FORCE!!

http://uproxx.com/movies/2015/12/star-wars-kylo-ren-theory/2/

Mind blown

 

[AcerFC]

For the random Internet theory to be correct, we have to assume that Luke knows about this plan correct?

It is not something that Ben Solo/Kylo Ren hatched on his own

Would Luke be so invested in killing Snoke (whoever the #### that is- no mention in the original) that he would allow Ben to kill younger jedis

Im not sure it holds much weight with me

 

[[icon]]

I will say, at least throwing the random stop at a shady cantina to find a ship while mid-adventure was a unique plot twist to the rehashed storyline...


... oh, wait...

 

[renesauz]

It may be blasphemy but my immediate reaction is this one should placed at the top of the order, even ahead of 4 and 5. Only drawback is the repetitive plot. Other things were done so well though like Rey and Finn story lines that the put the old movies a bit to shame.

I can see this....not blasphemy at all.

My immediate reaction is to put it 2nd behind Empire. I think the story might have been a bit better in Empire and ANH, but the acting overall is far superior in this newer one. Luke always felt cheesy (actually worried Hamil drags down the next two movies). This movie has a huge technological advantage over the old ones, but those were top of the line and well ahead of their time back then...I'd give this aspect a push when accounting for the times.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Man some of you guys are rough.

I watched Star Trek Into Darkness last night. I'm on record somewhere around here that I was hoping they didn't try to redo the Khan storyline because I would hate it. But of course they did. And having seen it now a few times I'm ok with it and I really do enjoy the new universe that JJ created with that franchise and I really like all the new actors in the roles. But JJ took Wrath of Khan and flipped it on its head a little and also has done something similar with this movie, where he took the original trilogies basic story and used something very very similar. Obviously a lot of it was a nod to the old story (like the training ball in the Falcon) but I wonder if JJ looks at the respective universes in these stories and sees something else.

We are basically seeing in both of these franchises that JJ, either purposely or not, seems to write a movie where history always repeats itself. In Star Trek, there may be a new timeline, but Kirk and company are fated to deal with Khan and have similar results when dealing with him. In Star Wars, the Skywalker clan are fated to repeat the mistakes and adventures of their ancestors one way or the other. Could be seeing much more than he ever intended but I wonder if JJ has that view of the world, that fate is somehow always there and no matter what you change or do there are certain things that are just inevitably going to happen.

I don't know. It occurred to me while Khan was kicking Spock's butt before the sexy chick starting shooting him. I can see though how some people were bumbed by this new Star Wars. There was a lot familiar and "redone". I just don't know if that is a bad thing or not. I think it depends a great deal on JJ's outline for the next two movies and how he wrote the overall arc.

 

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"This movie is pretty awesome aside from...you know, that whole [airquotes] plot thing [airquotes]

 

[renesauz]

It may be blasphemy but my immediate reaction is this one should placed at the top of the order, even ahead of 4 and 5. Only drawback is the repetitive plot. Other things were done so well though like Rey and Finn story lines that the put the old movies a bit to shame.

Star Trek Into Darkness was arguably better than Wrath of Khan, which Abrams also remade.

Somehow never saw this until just last night on FX. Was blown away...loved it!

 

[Yankee23Fan]

It may be blasphemy but my immediate reaction is this one should placed at the top of the order, even ahead of 4 and 5. Only drawback is the repetitive plot. Other things were done so well though like Rey and Finn story lines that the put the old movies a bit to shame.

Star Trek Into Darkness was arguably better than Wrath of Khan, which Abrams also remade.

Somehow never saw this until just last night on FX. Was blown away...loved it!

It was categorically not better than Wrath of Khan. That is the very definition of blasphemy. But it was good.

 

[Capella]

"This movie is pretty awesome aside from...you know, that whole [airquotes] plot thing [airquotes]

Plot was great. You didn't like it. It happens.

 

[renesauz]

I can forgive the retread stuff so long as it sets up an interesting trajectory for future movies.

I really didn't expect to see another f'n Death Star with a fundamental weakness. :facepalm:

While I hate the return of the Death Star as much as anyone...I'm not sure I understand why everyone whines about the "fundamental weakness".

ALL giant weapons systems IRL have fundamental weaknesses too. Aircraft carriers are ponderous and turn poorly...they need supportive vessels around them to act as shields, hunt and prevent subs from getting too close, etc. The Death stars had realistic weaknesses protected by huge fleets of smaller ships. They were great at destroying planets but not so great at fighting hundreds of small fighters. There's a reason that all ships don't come in the same size and shape!

The "fundamental weakness" is not a problem for me...it's a natural expectation of any over-sized ship/weapon system.