STAR WARS: EP 7 ***SPOILER ZONE*** - Go here if you've seen it (2 Viewers)

[Rogi]

Not bad. My kids liked it so I'm good. Yeah, similar story as before but I'm trying not to over think it and accept it for what it is.

 

[AAABatteries]

(Rey , picking up the force in 2 seconds,

you should read some of the thread. There have been some very good speculation on why this happened.

Sadly most of that good talk got buried by "I hate the movie you are dumb for liking it/I like the movie you are dumb for hating it" talk.

I like debating theories. Just wish they didn't leave it all up to us to figure out for them.

Shouldn't you wait for the next two movies to lodge that complaint?

It's remarkable the holes people want to point out about this movie when IV-VI had the same. It's a fun movie not the remake of Citicen Kane.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

If you have read any of the books they all have Han and Leia having twins. Both have the force. Not saying Rae and Kylo are them bit seems likely

Books have been dismissed except for the parts they like. Then they've taken them and changed the names. I think Rey is a Solo also.

I hope Rey is not the daughter of any old SW characters. She is a much better Jedi .... Rey >>>>> Luke.

Clearly Unkar Plutt is a much better Jedi trainer than Yoda, and Luke as Jedi Master is just an epic fail.

 

[Koya]

You guys can't hold your bladders for a couple of hours? How do you sleep at night?

Intermittently.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Surprised they took kylo rens helmet off early when he was trying to force ray to talk. Less impact later when he took it off to confront han.

Overall i liked the movie and i will try to goto see it in theatres again before its gone

 

[NewlyRetired]

I don't think it was good as JJ's first Star Trek reboot :hidesbehindjedicloak:

I agree. There was some implausible things that happened in ST but it was a fun ride with nostalgia that touched on the past and even gave us scenes only mentioned in the series (Kirk's Kobayashi Maru test)..

The very first scene in Wrath of Khan was the simulation named Kabayashi Maru given to Spock's trainees. It was certainly shown outside of the series.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Surprised they took kylo rens helmet off early when he was trying to force ray to talk. Less impact later when he took it off to confront han.

Overall i liked the movie and i will try to goto see it in theatres again before its gone

He clearly has a crush on Rey. It will not end well for him.

 

[Insein]

I don't think it was good as JJ's first Star Trek reboot :hidesbehindjedicloak:

I agree. There was some implausible things that happened in ST but it was a fun ride with nostalgia that touched on the past and even gave us scenes only mentioned in the series (Kirk's Kobayashi Maru test)..

The very first scene in Wrath of Khan was the simulation named Kabayashi Maru given to Spock's trainees. It was certainly shown outside of the series.

Yes for Saavik. We only hear about how Kirk cheated the test when they're trapped on the planet. So to see how he did it was pretty cool. That was innovative and nostalgic by JJ.

 

[Hang 10]

Rey got training back when she was four years old but forgot then remembered, so it's all good.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

I recommend this movie to Adam Driver for his preparation for Episode BB-8

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0293715/

 

[LOCO]

She is a kenobi.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I kinda hope she's no one's daughter. I like the idea of her just being a side-of-the-galactic-road nobody that has the force genes. I don't think everyone should have to be related to someone, but I guess that's too much to ask for.

I don't really get how her being a Solo/Skywalker would make sense - even if Leia wanted to hide her from Han (which seems implausible) why does that mean that she has to drop her off on some ####hole planet to be an indentured servant?

 

[PatsWillWin]

I don't really get the complaints about Rey becoming too force-y too fast. I guess I thought that's kinda what being "strong" with the force was.

If I dare being up child-Anakin, he was the only human that could hang with the other aliens in pod-racing. He was like 7. No other humans could do it. Qui-gon (not looking up spelling) talked to his mother about Anakin having awesome reflexes, which was because he could actually see things before they happened. He was obviously very gifted at fixing/building things. He also gets tested by the Jedi Council (before being denied entrance into the academy) by Sammy Jackson asking Anakin to guess what he was holding up a picture of (like a "which card is this" type thing) and Anakin I think went 3 for 3 on screen.

I think being able to do stuff like that is typical. When Kyloren was trying to do the mind-reading thing, something kinda clicked with her and she did it back to him. Then she used whatever thing she learned on convincing the stormtrooper to let her out. And she's good at flying. And she defeats an already-injured Kyloren in a duel.

I don't know, that didn't seem too outlandish to me. Luke really didn't have that much training at all. Even the Degobah stuff with Yoda all takes place during the time where Han & Co fly to and get captured at Cloud City - it looks like a couple of days at the Cloud City, but seems longer at Degobah (it's actually a flaw in Empire Strikes Back, but whatever). Next thing you know, Luke is crossing swords with one of the most powerful Jedi ever.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

I don't really get the complaints about Rey becoming too force-y too fast. I guess I thought that's kinda what being "strong" with the force was.

If I dare being up child-Anakin, he was the only human that could hang with the other aliens in pod-racing. He was like 7. No other humans could do it. Qui-gon (not looking up spelling) talked to his mother about Anakin having awesome reflexes, which was because he could actually see things before they happened. He was obviously very gifted at fixing/building things. He also gets tested by the Jedi Council (before being denied entrance into the academy) by Sammy Jackson asking Anakin to guess what he was holding up a picture of (like a "which card is this" type thing) and Anakin I think went 3 for 3 on screen.

I think being able to do stuff like that is typical. When Kyloren was trying to do the mind-reading thing, something kinda clicked with her and she did it back to him. Then she used whatever thing she learned on convincing the stormtrooper to let her out. And she's good at flying. And she defeats an already-injured Kyloren in a duel.

I don't know, that didn't seem too outlandish to me. Luke really didn't have that much training at all. Even the Degobah stuff with Yoda all takes place during the time where Han & Co fly to and get captured at Cloud City - it looks like a couple of days at the Cloud City, but seems longer at Degobah (it's actually a flaw in Empire Strikes Back, but whatever). Next thing you know, Luke is crossing swords with one of the most powerful Jedi ever.

It takes longer to learn how to ski on the bunny slope.

My personal experience showed the fast track is to go down a black diamond on your 2nd run.

 

[Andrew74]

Not understanding the hate for adam driver or the character. I think kylo ren came off exactly as JJ wrote it.

Eta: jobber beat me to it. Didnt refresh the page.

I thought Driver was great. And I think he has the potential to be a bad ### villain. In one sense, he's way worse than Vader; Vader couldn't kill his family and turned good when confronted with that choice. Ren went the other way. He's arguably even more evil.

Yep, and arguably has more power from the start than Vader in IV- ie stopping the laser mid shot.

I dunno, Vader just raised his hand and absorbed several point blank shots from Han in Empire. It was cool to stop it mid air, but give me the dude who stops laser blasts with his hand.

That was V.

Yes but it's not like Vader wasn't a super badass in IV. You see what Anakin does in III, Vader in "Rebels".

 

[tri-man 47]

Just watched it for the third time.

Interesting thing happened after I saw it a second time. I totally stopped caring about any negative reviews. I think that's the mark of a great film.

I remember after each prequel I'd keep chatting about the films on message boards, try and rationalize away things that many didn't like, I'd get annoyed with the "haters", and I even caught myself defending Hayden Christiansens acting.

Now? I honestly don't care what people on the internet think. I don't know a single friend or close associate that didn't think it was an amazing flick, aside from ONE dorky teenager who is exactly how I imagine 95% of the critics of this film to be.

3 showings in and it's just a classic movie. So many lines are obviously going to be a part of Star Wars lore for a long time.

Serious question: Which lines? I saw it last night ...enjoyed it ...but I'm not remembering specific lines that'll be quotable.

I found Rey to be a great character. At the very end, I wished they'd have ended with the close-up of her face or of Luke's, rather than pulling back to the sweeping overhead shot.

Two things that I didn't like so much. First, as Otis mentioned a week ago, the characters got too chummy too fast. Rey and Phin, in particular, but Poe and Phin as well. I get that they shared some intense experiences, but the mutual admiration was a little too much. No one raised any doubts about Phin, despite the fact that he was the first ever storm trooper to change sides? That ties to the second point, of everything flowing too conveniently. In particular here was the spontaneous plan to infiltrate the First Order base and take down the weapon. No problem, right? But also Rey excelling at everything, and Phin having so many battle skills despite a lack of any real warrior intensity. And Harrison Ford's acting skills died long before his character did.

The other thing I didn't like was having to hiss at a guy in front of me for turning on his phone 15 minutes before the end.

 

[Politician Spock]

Just because one turns to the dark side of the force doesn't mean they become a sith lord. Kylo Ren seems to be a padawan of Luke's who turned to the dark side, but lacks any guidance being there. He's no Darth Vader, Count Dooku, or Darth Maul. The premise of the movie is that knowledge of the force is very limited. Luke was born when all but four people who knew the force were still alive. In VII, he's probably in his 50's, and other than Kylo, who else did he train? And Luke's training was pretty limited too. There's not a lot of knowledge of the force around. That's why it is awakening. It's too early for Darth lords like we saw in the other movies. Kylo shouldn't be as powerful as people are expecting. That wouldn't make sense.

No it wouldn't but people WANT IT NOW

Yeah, it takes years of training to defeat a reformed storm trooper

Storm troopers are no longer manufactured clones. The clone army was made around 20 years prior to ROTJ, and TFA is 30 years after ROTJ, so those clones are probably wearing depends and eat a steady diet of prunes. Fen doesn't look like Jengo Fett, and the First Order has to give monumental speeches to the troops to keep them in line. I think the whole "Fen is just a storm trooper" argument is weak.

 

[Zigg]

Just because one turns to the dark side of the force doesn't mean they become a sith lord. Kylo Ren seems to be a padawan of Luke's who turned to the dark side, but lacks any guidance being there. He's no Darth Vader, Count Dooku, or Darth Maul. The premise of the movie is that knowledge of the force is very limited. Luke was born when all but four people who knew the force were still alive. In VII, he's probably in his 50's, and other than Kylo, who else did he train? And Luke's training was pretty limited too. There's not a lot of knowledge of the force around. That's why it is awakening. It's too early for Darth lords like we saw in the other movies. Kylo shouldn't be as powerful as people are expecting. That wouldn't make sense.

No it wouldn't but people WANT IT NOW

Yeah, it takes years of training to defeat a reformed storm trooper

Storm troopers are no longer manufactured clones. The clone army was made around 20 years prior to ROTJ, and TFA is 30 years after ROTJ, so those clones are probably wearing depends and eat a steady diet of prunes. Fen doesn't look like Jengo Fett, and the First Order has to give monumental speeches to the troops to keep them in line. I think the whole "Fen is just a storm trooper" argument is weak.

All the other Storm Troopers seemed to be their usual incompetent selves.

 

[beer 30]

Serious question: Which lines? I saw it last night ...enjoyed it ...but I'm not remembering specific lines that'll be quotable.

I found Rey to be a great character. At the very end, I wished they'd have ended with the close-up of her face or of Luke's, rather than pulling back to the sweeping overhead shot.

Two things that I didn't like so much. First, as Otis mentioned a week ago, the characters got too chummy too fast. Rey and Phin, in particular, but Poe and Phin as well. I get that they shared some intense experiences, but the mutual admiration was a little too much. No one raised any doubts about Phin, despite the fact that he was the first ever storm trooper to change sides? That ties to the second point, of everything flowing too conveniently. In particular here was the spontaneous plan to infiltrate the First Order base and take down the weapon. No problem, right? But also Rey excelling at everything, and Phin having so many battle skills despite a lack of any real warrior intensity. And Harrison Ford's acting skills died long before his character did.

The other thing I didn't like was having to hiss at a guy in front of me for turning on his phone 15 minutes before the end.

Totally agree but I was the 14 year old kid when Stars Wars first hit the big screen and saw it 6 times the first week. I loved that they finally made a movie that brought the fun back to the series. Didn't so much care that it was essentially a remake and an attempt to pass the baton and could have absolutely done without so much Han & Leia. Not because of the story line but because their acting is just subpar compared to Rey & Phin. Just felt forced to try to get them as many speaking lines as they had.

All that said, enjoyed the movie and was really happy taking the 14 daughter to hear her say afterwards, "I need to see the other 6 now."

 

[Hawks64]

Yea I hate that Disney made a movie that they knew everybody would love.

Some of the comments in here are bordering on parody now.

I don't blame Disney for making it, I blame you for loving it.

It was awesome. Seen it twice.

Same here

 

[Politician Spock]

Just because one turns to the dark side of the force doesn't mean they become a sith lord. Kylo Ren seems to be a padawan of Luke's who turned to the dark side, but lacks any guidance being there. He's no Darth Vader, Count Dooku, or Darth Maul. The premise of the movie is that knowledge of the force is very limited. Luke was born when all but four people who knew the force were still alive. In VII, he's probably in his 50's, and other than Kylo, who else did he train? And Luke's training was pretty limited too. There's not a lot of knowledge of the force around. That's why it is awakening. It's too early for Darth lords like we saw in the other movies. Kylo shouldn't be as powerful as people are expecting. That wouldn't make sense.

No it wouldn't but people WANT IT NOW

Yeah, it takes years of training to defeat a reformed storm trooper

Storm troopers are no longer manufactured clones. The clone army was made around 20 years prior to ROTJ, and TFA is 30 years after ROTJ, so those clones are probably wearing depends and eat a steady diet of prunes. Fen doesn't look like Jengo Fett, and the First Order has to give monumental speeches to the troops to keep them in line. I think the whole "Fen is just a storm trooper" argument is weak.

All the other Storm Troopers seemed to be their usual incompetent selves.

So you expect a hero of the story to be incompetent because.....

 

[Rohn Jambo]

The only character that is perfect in every way: BB-8.

 

[Koya]

I can say this - what I hated most about Harry Potter (the god knows how many times of whichever movie the wife's had me watch) was how Harry just took to riding that broom thing so quick. Just TOTALLY unrealistic. Really ruined everything else.

 

[Psychopav]

Just saw it for the third time. Unlike the prequels, which really didn't feel like a true star wars movie to me until the third viewing, this felt like being right back in the early 80s again right off the bat.

But I also agree with the poster above that the third viewing was simply thoroughly enjoyable. Will be seeing again in the theater at some point this week...

 

[Psychopav]

Also, I'm struggling to find the lines but I think that Kylo Ren may be quoting Anakin from the prequels when he's talking to Han out in the catwalk and says he wants to be free of the pain....knows what he has to do but not sure he has the strength to do it... Those lines sure seem familiar from ep iii (or ii?).

And there are a couple of Finn lines that I swear are Lando quotes.

 

[bentley]

That one where he meets Rey and says "Hey white girl, let's get it on" was definitely a Lando line.

 

[Fariq]

Finn.

C'mon people. You watched the movie. How did he get the nickname Finn?

 

[cubd8]

Finn.

C'mon people. You watched the movie. How did he get the nickname Finn?

From the storm trooper name?

 

[Rohn Jambo]

I can say this - what I hated most about Harry Potter (the god knows how many times of whichever movie the wife's had me watch) was how Harry just took to riding that broom thing so quick. Just TOTALLY unrealistic. Really ruined everything else.

JJ Abrams explained that even ordinary people, like janitors and junk scavengers, can harness the power of the Force.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bE7zSyjNSs

 

[jon_mx]

Finn.

C'mon people. You watched the movie. How did he get the nickname Finn?

From the storm trooper name?

Yeah. His storm trooper name was FN followed by a bunch of numbers. So the pilot just came up with Finn.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Finn.

C'mon people. You watched the movie. How did he get the nickname Finn?

Poe called him Finn because his Stormtrooper designation was FN-2187.

 

[bentley]

Or Pfen if you happen to be Czech.

 

[cubd8]

Finn.

C'mon people. You watched the movie. How did he get the nickname Finn?

Poe called him Finn because his Stormtrooper designation was FN-2187.

You memorized the whole Storm Trooper Designation? Impressive.

FN = FIN.

That's not much of a stretch.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Finn.

C'mon people. You watched the movie. How did he get the nickname Finn?

Poe called him Finn because his Stormtrooper designation was FN-2187.

You memorized the whole Storm Trooper Designation? Impressive.

It may be available somewhere on the internet.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Finn.

C'mon people. You watched the movie. How did he get the nickname Finn?

Poe called him Finn because his Stormtrooper designation was FN-2187.

You memorized the whole Storm Trooper Designation? Impressive.

FN = FIN.

That's not much of a stretch.

It was easy to remember cuz 2187 was Leia's cell number in detention block AA-23 on the Death Star.See 2:22 in this SW scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtoHjGWc2s8

 

[Hot Diggity Dog]

Thoughts on second watching. Kylo Ren is clearly not completely trained himself. That combined with injury explains how Finn and Rey fight can fight him, although he was clearly toying with Finn.

Who Snoke is will be interesting to find out. Betting Darth Plagious, not sure on the spelling.

Rey would be most interesting as another midichorilin child, in essence Anakin's sister. Hidden on Jakku to hide her from Snoke and or so she wouldn't discover her power.

Also interesting how Rey's fighting style vs. Ren started out like Obi wan in IV then morphed to Lukes in VI after she gets in touch with the force.

In the end though betting she is Ren's sister, but not twin.

 

[Insein]

I can say this - what I hated most about Harry Potter (the god knows how many times of whichever movie the wife's had me watch) was how Harry just took to riding that broom thing so quick. Just TOTALLY unrealistic. Really ruined everything else.

Knowing nothing about Harry Potter in the slightest and only seeing the first one, I can see how a casual Star Wars fan wouldn't care at all about how fast Rey got the force.

 

[Insein]

Thoughts on second watching. Kylo Ren is clearly not completely trained himself. That combined with injury explains how Finn and Rey fight can fight him, although he was clearly toying with Finn.

Who Snoke is will be interesting to find out. Betting Darth Plagious, not sure on the spelling.

Rey would be most interesting as another midichorilin child, in essence Anakin's sister. Hidden on Jakku to hide her from Snoke and or so she wouldn't discover her power.

Also interesting how Rey's fighting style vs. Ren started out like Obi wan in IV then morphed to Lukes in VI after she gets in touch with the force.

In the end though betting she is Ren's sister, but not twin.

I'm thinking the same thing. That way they can say they didn't steal it from the EU because they weren't twins.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Pretty weird that the people who didn't like Star Wars are the bigger nerds now. Worm has turned.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Not understanding the hate for adam driver or the character. I think kylo ren came off exactly as JJ wrote it.

Eta: jobber beat me to it. Didnt refresh the page.

I thought Driver was great. And I think he has the potential to be a bad ### villain. In one sense, he's way worse than Vader; Vader couldn't kill his family and turned good when confronted with that choice. Ren went the other way. He's arguably even more evil.

Yep, and arguably has more power from the start than Vader in IV- ie stopping the laser mid shot.

I dunno, Vader just raised his hand and absorbed several point blank shots from Han in Empire. It was cool to stop it mid air, but give me the dude who stops laser blasts with his hand.

That was V.

Yes but it's not like Vader wasn't a super badass in IV. You see what Anakin does in III, Vader in "Rebels".

What exactly does Vader do in IV to make him a super badass? Force choke a henchman and beat a 90 year old jedi who is accepting his death before even walking into the fight?

 

[dparker713]

Thoughts on second watching. Kylo Ren is clearly not completely trained himself. That combined with injury explains how Finn and Rey fight can fight him, although he was clearly toying with Finn.

Who Snoke is will be interesting to find out. Betting Darth Plagious, not sure on the spelling.

Rey would be most interesting as another midichorilin child, in essence Anakin's sister. Hidden on Jakku to hide her from Snoke and or so she wouldn't discover her power.

Also interesting how Rey's fighting style vs. Ren started out like Obi wan in IV then morphed to Lukes in VI after she gets in touch with the force.

In the end though betting she is Ren's sister, but not twin.

I'm thinking the same thing. That way they can say they didn't steal it from the EU because they weren't twins.

Lots of good ideas in the old EU. No reason to throw them all away. Would love of they kept Mara Jade and a few other things

 

[Andrew74]

Not understanding the hate for adam driver or the character. I think kylo ren came off exactly as JJ wrote it.

Eta: jobber beat me to it. Didnt refresh the page.

I thought Driver was great. And I think he has the potential to be a bad ### villain. In one sense, he's way worse than Vader; Vader couldn't kill his family and turned good when confronted with that choice. Ren went the other way. He's arguably even more evil.

Yep, and arguably has more power from the start than Vader in IV- ie stopping the laser mid shot.

I dunno, Vader just raised his hand and absorbed several point blank shots from Han in Empire. It was cool to stop it mid air, but give me the dude who stops laser blasts with his hand.

That was V.

Yes but it's not like Vader wasn't a super badass in IV. You see what Anakin does in III, Vader in "Rebels".

What exactly does Vader do in IV to make him a super badass? Force choke a henchman and beat a 90 year old jedi who is accepting his death before even walking into the fight?

If that's all we had, not much, but we do have the prequels and other canon to know what he can do.

 

[chet]

Personally, I think things will take a Game of Thrones turn and Rey will end up being the child of Luke and Leia.

 

[Insein]

Thoughts on second watching. Kylo Ren is clearly not completely trained himself. That combined with injury explains how Finn and Rey fight can fight him, although he was clearly toying with Finn.

Who Snoke is will be interesting to find out. Betting Darth Plagious, not sure on the spelling.

Rey would be most interesting as another midichorilin child, in essence Anakin's sister. Hidden on Jakku to hide her from Snoke and or so she wouldn't discover her power.

Also interesting how Rey's fighting style vs. Ren started out like Obi wan in IV then morphed to Lukes in VI after she gets in touch with the force.

In the end though betting she is Ren's sister, but not twin.

I'm thinking the same thing. That way they can say they didn't steal it from the EU because they weren't twins.

Lots of good ideas in the old EU. No reason to throw them all away. Would love of they kept Mara Jade and a few other things

Of course there was tons of good in the old EU. That's why I hate that they just hit the delete button instead of choosing the good ideas to keep. They may ha e a character like Mara Jade but they'll name her Sara Emerald or something to say she was completely their idea.

 

[bentley]

Don't think they are claiming any original ideas. It's a necessary move. You can't just keep some of it for the sake of continuity.

Would be nice if the guys who are emotionally connected to the EU would identify themselves with every post so we could just ignore their opinion about the new movie.

 

[whoknew]

Surprised they took kylo rens helmet off early when he was trying to force ray to talk. Less impact later when he took it off to confront han.

Overall i liked the movie and i will try to goto see it in theatres again before its gone

I'm sure this has already been discussed, but I just saw the movie yesterday. So they kept removing his helmet to make him more human, more vulnerable. He's not a fully evil dude yet. He hasn't completely accepted the dark side. I reckon in the next movie, the helmet will be stuck on there for good and he will have fully embraced the dark side.

 

[Insein]

Don't think they are claiming any original ideas. It's a necessary move. You can't just keep some of it for the sake of continuity.

Would be nice if the guys who are emotionally connected to the EU would identify themselves with every post so we could just ignore their opinion about the new movie.

Guess we'll see what they do for Han Solo and Boba Fett movies. Obviously they threw out one of the best trilogies of the EU, Heir to the Empire.

And I'm pretty sure you'll ignore dissenting opinions from yours anyway. That's just human nature.

 

[Hang 10]

Surprised they took kylo rens helmet off early when he was trying to force ray to talk. Less impact later when he took it off to confront han.

Overall i liked the movie and i will try to goto see it in theatres again before its gone

I'm sure this has already been discussed, but I just saw the movie yesterday. So they kept removing his helmet to make him more human, more vulnerable. He's not a fully evil dude yet. He hasn't completely accepted the dark side. I reckon in the next movie, the helmet will be stuck on there for good and he will have fully embraced the dark side.

Yeah, he's not fully evil. He just murdered a guy in cold blood in the first scene and then ordered the storm troopers to massacre a whole village and burn it to the ground.

 

[Anarchy99]

Is it just me, or have the technologies and weapons in the movies themselves actually gotten less sophisticated across the 7 episodes? It seems like the tech has devolved more than it has evolved.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Is it just me, or have the technologies and weapons in the movies themselves actually gotten less sophisticated across the 7 episodes? It seems like the tech has devolved more than it has evolved.

The fact that R2D2 and C3PO are still around 66+ years after they were built is astonishing - given that most computers are obsolete in 5 years.