STAR WARS: EP 7 ***SPOILER ZONE*** - Go here if you've seen it (1 Viewer)

[Insein]

Surprised they took kylo rens helmet off early when he was trying to force ray to talk. Less impact later when he took it off to confront han.

Overall i liked the movie and i will try to goto see it in theatres again before its gone

I'm sure this has already been discussed, but I just saw the movie yesterday. So they kept removing his helmet to make him more human, more vulnerable. He's not a fully evil dude yet. He hasn't completely accepted the dark side. I reckon in the next movie, the helmet will be stuck on there for good and he will have fully embraced the dark side.

Yeah, he's not fully evil. He just murdered a guy in cold blood in the first scene and then ordered the storm troopers to massacre a whole village and burn it to the ground.

He's semi evil, Quasi-Evil. The margarine of evil. He's the Diet coke of evil. Just One calorie, not evil enough.

 

[ghostguy123]

Is it just me, or have the technologies and weapons in the movies themselves actually gotten less sophisticated across the 7 episodes? It seems like the tech has devolved more than it has evolved.

The fact that R2D2 and C3PO are still around 66+ years after they were built is astonishing - given that most computers are obsolete in 5 years.

Yeah, but what year are these movies taking place? Gotta figure at some point that advancements in technology level off. Right now 5 years worth of technology advancements might be like 500 years worth in the year 3000 or whatever.

 

[Psychopav]

Thoughts on second watching. Kylo Ren is clearly not completely trained himself. That combined with injury explains how Finn and Rey fight can fight him, although he was clearly toying with Finn.

Who Snoke is will be interesting to find out. Betting Darth Plagious, not sure on the spelling.

Rey would be most interesting as another midichorilin child, in essence Anakin's sister. Hidden on Jakku to hide her from Snoke and or so she wouldn't discover her power.

Also interesting how Rey's fighting style vs. Ren started out like Obi wan in IV then morphed to Lukes in VI after she gets in touch with the force.

In the end though betting she is Ren's sister, but not twin.

I'm thinking the same thing. That way they can say they didn't steal it from the EU because they weren't twins.

Lots of good ideas in the old EU. No reason to throw them all away. Would love of they kept Mara Jade and a few other things

Of course there was tons of good in the old EU. That's why I hate that they just hit the delete button instead of choosing the good ideas to keep. They may ha e a character like Mara Jade but they'll name her Sara Emerald or something to say she was completely their idea.

Isn't the Starkiller base which draws power from the solar systems sun also from the eu?

 

[NewlyRetired]

Is it just me, or have the technologies and weapons in the movies themselves actually gotten less sophisticated across the 7 episodes? It seems like the tech has devolved more than it has evolved.

The fact that R2D2 and C3PO are still around 66+ years after they were built is astonishing - given that most computers are obsolete in 5 years.

Yeah, but what year are these movies taking place?

A LONG TIME AGO

 

[NewlyRetired]

So what besides the 7 movies is now considered canon?

I assume Star Wars Rebels must be. How about Clone Wars? Was that flushed or did it make the cut?

 

[Insein]

Thoughts on second watching. Kylo Ren is clearly not completely trained himself. That combined with injury explains how Finn and Rey fight can fight him, although he was clearly toying with Finn.

Who Snoke is will be interesting to find out. Betting Darth Plagious, not sure on the spelling.

Rey would be most interesting as another midichorilin child, in essence Anakin's sister. Hidden on Jakku to hide her from Snoke and or so she wouldn't discover her power.

Also interesting how Rey's fighting style vs. Ren started out like Obi wan in IV then morphed to Lukes in VI after she gets in touch with the force.

In the end though betting she is Ren's sister, but not twin.

I'm thinking the same thing. That way they can say they didn't steal it from the EU because they weren't twins.

Lots of good ideas in the old EU. No reason to throw them all away. Would love of they kept Mara Jade and a few other things

Of course there was tons of good in the old EU. That's why I hate that they just hit the delete button instead of choosing the good ideas to keep. They may ha e a character like Mara Jade but they'll name her Sara Emerald or something to say she was completely their idea.

Isn't the Starkiller base which draws power from the solar systems sun also from the eu?

It is very similar to center point station. Center point was bigger than the original death Star and could focus a solar blast at a distant Star or point in space to collapse that Star or destroy anything in the vicinity. But it was a built structure made way before the current times. Probably tens of thousands of years ago. The sun crusher also could destroy a planet or collapse a star but it was the size of a regular ship. They never had a planet sized weapon that shoots plasma for what it's worth.

 

[Insein]

So what besides the 7 movies is now considered cannon?

I assume Star Wars Rebels must be. How about Clone Wars? Was that flushed or did it make the cut?

Clone wars and Rebels are canon. I believe Clone wars era books are still canon to a point. Anything post ROTJ is gone and some of the stuff that filled in between 4, 5, & 6 is probably out too (Shadows of the Empire, Bounty hunter Trilogy, Han Solo Trilogy, etc).

 

[NewlyRetired]

Is it just me, or have the technologies and weapons in the movies themselves actually gotten less sophisticated across the 7 episodes? It seems like the tech has devolved more than it has evolved.

we talked about this earlier in the thread.

I bet some of it has to do with the empire and the war trying to hold back advancement of the galaxy. And with many people likely in hard times due to the oppression, technological advancement is not always going to happen.

A couple of analogies I have read online are

1) the dark ages when the church suppressed all technological and scientific research.

2) comparing the 1920's newness and shineyness to the bleakness of the 30's. Anyone with out knowledge of what was going on would assume the stuff in the 20's looked newer and better than the depression of the 30's.

It has also been speculated that people grew to fear droids being too powerful due to the army that was created of them and making them more advanced was no longer a welcomed or sought after goal.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Not understanding the hate for adam driver or the character. I think kylo ren came off exactly as JJ wrote it.

Eta: jobber beat me to it. Didnt refresh the page.

I thought Driver was great. And I think he has the potential to be a bad ### villain. In one sense, he's way worse than Vader; Vader couldn't kill his family and turned good when confronted with that choice. Ren went the other way. He's arguably even more evil.

Yep, and arguably has more power from the start than Vader in IV- ie stopping the laser mid shot.

I dunno, Vader just raised his hand and absorbed several point blank shots from Han in Empire. It was cool to stop it mid air, but give me the dude who stops laser blasts with his hand.

That was V.

Yes but it's not like Vader wasn't a super badass in IV. You see what Anakin does in III, Vader in "Rebels".

What exactly does Vader do in IV to make him a super badass? Force choke a henchman and beat a 90 year old jedi who is accepting his death before even walking into the fight?

If that's all we had, not much, but we do have the prequels and other canon to know what he can do.

I get that, but we also needed multiple movies to learn Vader's powers and skills. People seem to be writing off the new bad guy because he doesn't seem to be the badass they think Vader was. Just saying we didn't see Vader do much in the first part of the last series either.

 

[tangfoot]

Obviously they threw out one of the best trilogies of the EU, Heir to the Empire.

These were the only books that have not been complete and total dreck. The two new novels are just horrifically bad.

 

[Gr00vus]

I was disappointed Poe never declared Kylo to be AN OUTLAW!!!! I can't watch that actor in anything without thinking of that line.

Very good film. I'd think it was one of the best all time if I'd never seen the 1st three. As it is I found it a tad too derivative, the pacing a tad too quick in some regards and some plot turns/technical details were a bit too convenient for me to think it a great film. Pretty much all the punches were telegraphed. Not a big fan of beach ball WALL-E, but that wasn't a big deal. I was hoping for it to be more different and break more new ground, I'll keep hoping for that as they continue on with the series. I think it'll happen. Fantastic SFX apart from hologram Gollum and a couple of the other CGI people.

Really liked Kylo - well written and acted. I like that they were able to portray him as Solo's son as much as Annakin's grandson with the occasional sarcasm and witty outbursts. I imagine that will end now that he's killed his father - subconsciously as well as physically I imagine. Even though you could see it coming, Han's death was a major downer - he was my favorite character of the whole series by far. It'll be interesting to see how Han's sacrifice works out. Anyway, Klyo is everything Annakin should have been in the 3 prequels.

 

[Insein]

Obviously they threw out one of the best trilogies of the EU, Heir to the Empire.

These were the only books that have not been complete and total dreck. The two new novels are just horrifically bad.

And those are canon.

 

[Maelstrom]

Found this link which describes a possibility for Rey that I haven't seen here, that she is Anakin reincarnated. It would explain why she is able to fix things, fly so good, fight (even with a lightsaber) and so on.

http://www.inquisitr.com/2649390/star-wars-rey-theory-claims-to-know-who-she-is-and-it-will-floor-you/

She is Anakin Skywalker.Why else would she have powers greater than Luke and Ren and everyone else?

Luke doesn’t have anywhere close to the intense reaction in A New Hope that Rey does in The Force Awakens when seeing Anakin’s Jedi lightsaber for the first time.

He even picks it up and waves it around with no reaction whatsoever. Not so for Rey.

In her vision there is darkness and light, pain, anger, hatred, the sense of abandonment Anakin felt as a boy and later as a man when Obi-wan struck him down, thus pushing him fully into his hatred.

The Star Wars Rey character, in that scene, is awakening to the fact she possesses all the same powers Anakin did, and she is terrified by it because she knows the history surrounding that weapon.

Note, I don't think this is saying she is necessarily aware she is Anakin re-incarnated or has all his memories. Just his abilities.

 

[Insein]

Sigh. This is what happens when you don't give any details. She will be everything under the sun by 2017. She'll be the emperor's clone or a descendent of some ancient Jedi as foretold by the prophecy (what prophecy?).

We can throw all this out there but no the EU was terrible.

 

[The Gator]

Wookieepedia updated-

Lightsaber- "This is the weapon of a Jedi Knight, or a runaway Stormtrooper who has never seen or used one before. So that he may be able to hold his own against a commander of the First Order"

 

[bentley]

Sigh. This is what happens when you don't give any details. She will be everything under the sun by 2017. She'll be the emperor's clone or a descendent of some ancient Jedi as foretold by the prophecy (what prophecy?).

We can throw all this out there but no the EU was terrible.

And this speculation is fun. It's exactly what every kid on he playground did after Empire. I remember most being convinced that Vader wasn't really Luke's father.

The vast majority of the EU is garbage. At least you got that part right.

 

[Insein]

Sigh. This is what happens when you don't give any details. She will be everything under the sun by 2017. She'll be the emperor's clone or a descendent of some ancient Jedi as foretold by the prophecy (what prophecy?).

We can throw all this out there but no the EU was terrible.

And this speculation is fun. It's exactly what every kid on he playground did after Empire. I remember most being convinced that Vader wasn't really Luke's father.The vast majority of the EU is garbage. At least you got that part right.

Did you speculate that Leia was Luke's mother or that Luke was actually Vader reincarnated? Cause that's so much fun.

 

[gump]

The latest Star Wars film has become the fastest movie ever to pass $US1 billion mark in ticket sales.

Hitting the figure in just 12 days, Star Wars: The Force Awakens has overtaken the previous record of 13 days set six months ago by Jurassic World.

 

[NewlyRetired]

The printing press is just getting started.

Star Wars 7 has already punched through the $1 billion mark. It also now owns the record for largest second weekend ever.

Ranks number 15 all time and should easily push into the top ten in just its 3rd week in release domestically and less than that in other parts of the world.

 

[Otis]

And it did this over the winter. Imagine the setup they have for a summer blockbuster in 18 months. That's going to be the biggest movie ever by some huge margins.

 

[Sinn Fein]

The printing press is just getting started.

Star Wars 7 has already punched through the $1 billion mark. It also now owns the record for largest second weekend ever.

Ranks number 15 all time and should easily push into the top ten in just its 3rd week in release domestically and less than that in other parts of the world.

All this - and it won't hit China, the biggest market, until next year

 

[Hot Diggity Dog]

Is it just me, or have the technologies and weapons in the movies themselves actually gotten less sophisticated across the 7 episodes? It seems like the tech has devolved more than it has evolved.

The fact that R2D2 and C3PO are still around 66+ years after they were built is astonishing - given that most computers are obsolete in 5 years.

Always thought technology was at it's peak in star wars. Hyper drive has been around thousands of years along with galactic civilization. Technology moves at snail's pace.

 

[Otis]

Daisy Ridley has a twin sister. Nice.

https://www.models1.co.uk/portfolio/women/main/kika-rose-ridley/

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Star Wars and Game of Thrones share the same casting director, Nina Gold, so there’s plenty of cross-over besides Max Von Sydow and Gwendoline Christie.

Thomas Brodie-Sangster wo played Jojen Reed is First Order Petty Officer Thanisson. When Poe and Finn try to escape via TIE Fighter, he announces that there’s an “unscheduled departure”. But immediately after, he gets blown to bits by Finn.

Mark Stanley who played Jon Snow’s doomed friend Grenn is credited as a “Clan Leader” in other words one of the rain-drenched Knights of Ren.

Miltos Yerolemou who played Arya’s doomed fencing master, Syrio Forel, is a patron in Maz Kanata’s bar.

Emun Elliott who played doomed (so much doom) singer Marillion is one of the Resistance fighters with just one line: “A laser cannon?”

Jessica Henwick who played Nymeria Sand is Resistance pilot Jess Testor. She never appears outside the cockpit of her X-Wing fighter or without that bulky helmet but she was there helping Poe Dameron on every maneuver.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

So what besides the 7 movies is now considered cannon?

I assume Star Wars Rebels must be. How about Clone Wars? Was that flushed or did it make the cut?

Clone wars and Rebels are canon. I believe Clone wars era books are still canon to a point. Anything post ROTJ is gone and some of the stuff that filled in between 4, 5, & 6 is probably out too (Shadows of the Empire, Bounty hunter Trilogy, Han Solo Trilogy, etc).

Holiday Special still in?

 

[Brady Marino]

Daisy Ridley has a twin sister. Nice.

https://www.models1.co.uk/portfolio/women/main/kika-rose-ridley/

It's as if thousands of nerds suddenly cried out in fapgasm.

 

[Insein]

So what besides the 7 movies is now considered cannon?

I assume Star Wars Rebels must be. How about Clone Wars? Was that flushed or did it make the cut?

Clone wars and Rebels are canon. I believe Clone wars era books are still canon to a point. Anything post ROTJ is gone and some of the stuff that filled in between 4, 5, & 6 is probably out too (Shadows of the Empire, Bounty hunter Trilogy, Han Solo Trilogy, etc).

Holiday Special still in?

In that it was the first filmed version of Kashyyk, yea. Otherwise, it never was.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

So I just got back and...

I didn't really like it.

 

[Mario Kart]

Saw it again but was fully awake this time. After reading these pages and some Yahoo! type articles over the past few days, I think the identify of Rey's parents is going to shock people. However, if I was a bookie, I'd put the odds something like as follows:

Luke's daughter = 1:3

Leia's daughter = 2:1

Han's daughter = 3:1

Obi-Wan Kenobi family tree = 5:1

Clone = 8:1

Palpatine relative = 10:1

Other 10:1

Owen or Beru relative = 20:1

Dooku relative 20:1

Bail Organa relative (unrelated to Leia) 20:1

Shmi Skywalker relative (unrelated to Anakin line) 50:1

Qui-Gonn relative 50:1

Amidala relative 50:1

Tarkin relative 500:1

Jabba relative 500:1

Who am I missing?

 

[Insein]

Saw it again but was fully awake this time. After reading these pages and some Yahoo! type articles over the past few days, I think the identify of Rey's parents is going to shock people. However, if I was a bookie, I'd put the odds something like as follows:

Luke's daughter = 1:3

Leia's daughter = 2:1

Han's daughter = 3:1

Obi-Wan Kenobi family tree = 5:1

Clone = 8:1

Palpatine relative = 10:1

Other 10:1

Owen or Beru relative = 20:1

Dooku relative 20:1

Bail Organa relative (unrelated to Leia) 20:1

Shmi Skywalker relative (unrelated to Anakin line) 50:1

Qui-Gonn relative 50:1

Amidala relative 50:1

Tarkin relative 500:1

Jabba relative 500:1

Who am I missing?

Lando

 

[Insein]

So I just got back and...

I didn't really like it.

Really? I have my gripes with it but it was a good movie. What brings it down for you?

 

[The Gator]

So I just got back and...

I didn't really like it.

But they had Han killed and the effects were good

 

[The Gator]

So I just got back and...

I didn't really like it.

But there was another death star and an x wing took it down again

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

So I just got back and...

I didn't really like it.

You have to see it in IMAX 3D ultra HD 4000p on a 96.5 foot wide screen to really enjoy it.

/MoP

 

[Insein]

Just got done watching Empire again. No way TFA ever passes it. Nearly ever scene is flawless. The real build up of romance between Leia and Han puts AOTC to freaking shame. The chemistry between every character is believable and has no forced moments to it. Vader is an absolute boss in this. And the title scroll gives us everything we need in regards to politics. Rebels won that battle. However, the Empire is pissed about the death Star and are chasing the rebels full force. Simple. We know where everyone stands in case anyone thought the Rebels were gaining ground after that win.

The last hour of the movie is so good. It will be amazing if any future Star wars movies can top it.

 

[The Gator]

So I just got back and...

I didn't really like it.

Droid please

 

[dparker713]

Just got done watching Empire again. No way TFA ever passes it. Nearly ever scene is flawless. The real build up of romance between Leia and Han puts AOTC to freaking shame. The chemistry between every character is believable and has no forced moments to it. Vader is an absolute boss in this. And the title scroll gives us everything we need in regards to politics. Rebels won that battle. However, the Empire is pissed about the death Star and are chasing the rebels full force. Simple. We know where everyone stands in case anyone thought the Rebels were gaining ground after that win.

The last hour of the movie is so good. It will be amazing if any future Star wars movies can top it.

You are completely obsessed with the title scroll. The movie was never going to fill in 30 years of story.

 

[Insein]

Just got done watching Empire again. No way TFA ever passes it. Nearly ever scene is flawless. The real build up of romance between Leia and Han puts AOTC to freaking shame. The chemistry between every character is believable and has no forced moments to it. Vader is an absolute boss in this. And the title scroll gives us everything we need in regards to politics. Rebels won that battle. However, the Empire is pissed about the death Star and are chasing the rebels full force. Simple. We know where everyone stands in case anyone thought the Rebels were gaining ground after that win.

The last hour of the movie is so good. It will be amazing if any future Star wars movies can top it.

You are completely obsessed with the title scroll. The movie was never going to fill in 30 years of story.

They could have at least tried.

 

[dparker713]

Just got done watching Empire again. No way TFA ever passes it. Nearly ever scene is flawless. The real build up of romance between Leia and Han puts AOTC to freaking shame. The chemistry between every character is believable and has no forced moments to it. Vader is an absolute boss in this. And the title scroll gives us everything we need in regards to politics. Rebels won that battle. However, the Empire is pissed about the death Star and are chasing the rebels full force. Simple. We know where everyone stands in case anyone thought the Rebels were gaining ground after that win.

The last hour of the movie is so good. It will be amazing if any future Star wars movies can top it.

You are completely obsessed with the title scroll. The movie was never going to fill in 30 years of story.

They could have at least tried.

First Order risen from the ashes of the Empire.

There's also a Republic.

And a Resistence led by Leia.

They all want to find Luke. The story starts on Jakku.

That's plenty. You've got the architecture of the universe and the through line of the movie. We don't need to spend time on more detail as this is the SEVENTH movie set in this universe. Yes, it's 30 years later than anything we've seen, but its still the same universe.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The whole setup feels wrong to me.

After 30 years of Republic why is there a "Resistance"? Who/what are they resisting? If it's the First Order, why doesn't the Republic have a military? Is it a militia?

"Hey everyone, grab your X-Wing...we have a battle to fight!"

And how ineffective is the Republic that it a) enabled a gang like the First Order to rise up and b) build a multi-planet killing weapon out of another planet? Super ineffective I guess since they still have princesses and politicians as generals.

And a mega-weapon...again. That has an easily accessible fatal flaw...AGAIN?

Most battle scenes have no urgency because they're being fought by a bunch of Red Shirts and it's hard to care who lives or dies in them.

General Hux is a bad character. I get that he's supposed to be out of his depth and thus required to be blustery but I couldn't buy it. I felt the same as I did with the bad guy in V for Vendetta. He's not menacing- he's a caricature. And those First Order costumes are ridiculous.

Then there's Carrie Fisher. Ooooofff. I know they were trying to go with as many practical effects as possible but they could have CGI'd her an open mouth, right? Or maybe she was entirely CGI and I was just experiencing the Uncanny Valley effect. Or maybe she uses Botox like she used to use (uses?) cocaine. Either way, it was so bad it took me right out of the story.

Han's death on the Guardrail-less Bridge of Dubious Purpose Other Than Dramatic Effect was telegraphed from more than 12 parsecs away (I'll forgive this one since it's still a kid's movie).

Kylo Ren is definitely a Millennial villain. You know damn well what I mean. I bet his most powerful force power is being super ironic.

And how many jails post guards INSIDE the cells? I know they had to show Rey's Force awakening but it's those plot contrivance that drive me crazy. It did in the OTHER jailbreak scene - "hey guys, you don't need to check my security clearance because I'm wearing this Stormtrooper armor. Soooo, I'll just be taking this most important prisoner ever, by myself, to Ren. Cool? Cool."

On the plus side, Ridley and Boyega nailed it. Really, they were terrific.

The lightsaber mystique is cool. How did Maz acquire the Cloud City version and Ben's chest?

The effects ARE really good. BB-8 is a nice addition to the Star Wars universe.

I'll go see it again and maybe this is all a case of it being too far from what I expected but as of now it is a huge letdown.

 

[AcerFC]

So now people that don't like it are seeing it again

 

[Andy Dufresne]

So now people that don't like it are seeing it again

Why is this surprising?Don't get me too wrong, it's not nearly Prequel Trilogy bad.

 

[Psychopav]

Andy: what's your favorite SW movie?

 

[AcerFC]

So now people that don't like it are seeing it again

Why is this surprising?Don't get me too wrong, it's not nearly Prequel Trilogy bad.

it could be me, but if I don't like something, I dont do it again. Are you hoping the second time around will change your mind?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Andy: what's your favorite SW movie?

I like ANH and ESB about equally as in they're both awesome and all time favorites.ROTJ and ROTS are both great and I enjoy watching them every few months.

TPM and AOTC are atrocious. I can watch TPM but AOTC I don't think I ever need to see again.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

So now people that don't like it are seeing it again

Why is this surprising?Don't get me too wrong, it's not nearly Prequel Trilogy bad.

it could be me, but if I don't like something, I dont do it again. Are you hoping the second time around will change your mind?

Of course.I'm hoping I'm just guilty of having unrealistic expectations. Next time I'll try watching it with my 12 year old eyes.

 

[Capella]

So now people that don't like it are seeing it again

all his complaints are things you could pick apart from the original trilogy.

 

[Politician Spock]

So now people that don't like it are seeing it again

all his complaints are things you could pick apart from the original trilogy.

It's too bad there weren't internet forums back in 1977 for people to ##### and moan in... as they go watch it for the 17th time.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

So now people that don't like it are seeing it again

all his complaints are things you could pick apart from the original trilogy.

Not all. But some? Sure.And that's further the problem. Many of the same missteps the previous films made are still there after all this time. Plot elements that are too convenient and characters doing things with no "why" behind them chief among them.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

But there was a reason for the Rebellion to exist.

And I cared when it was Luke in the X-Wing attacking the Death Star.

And there was a time when the Death Star was a new idea. But that was two planet killing buildings ago.

And Tarkin was cool and threatening. Hux is ridiculous.

I disagree that the SAME criticisms can all be levelled on the old movies.