STAR WARS: EP 7 ***SPOILER ZONE*** - Go here if you've seen it (1 Viewer)

[beer 30]

There's a difference between plot holes and stuff that just doesn't work.

And you do not think there was anything in the first three that "just didn't work"?

Not much in the first two. A few in Jedi. Just about everything in the prequels.

Something as simple as the Rebels paying off Han's debt to Jabba?

Maybe the rebels don't have a ton of disposable cash to pay off smugglers debts. Intergalactic war ain't cheap y'know.

$8.1 quadrillion for 2 death stars alone

 

[ScottNorwood]

So who is organizing the Star Wars draft?

you

I've got a bad feeling about this

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Vader: I want the hyper drive from the Millennium Falcon damaged so that they cannot reach light speed

Mechanic: Any thought to just totally disabling the engine?

Vader: *force choke*

Leia: They only sent two TIE fighters after us, they easily could've sent 100. Obviously the only explanation is that the Empire put a tracking device on the Falcon. #### it, let's go straight to our hidden base anyway, I'm sure we'll figure out a way to blow up the space station that just turned my home planet into dust in time!

Not this ship, sister.

 

[PatsWillWin]

There's a difference between plot holes and stuff that just doesn't work.

And you do not think there was anything in the first three that "just didn't work"?

Not much in the first two. A few in Jedi. Just about everything in the prequels.

How about how it looks like Luke has weeks of training with Yoda when really it all happened while Han & Co. flew to and ate lunch at Cloud City?

And you know how long it took to get to Cloud City?

Yeah, I know that hyperspace jumps gets you to place pretty freaking fast. Tatooine to Alderaan takes about a game of animal-chess with Chewie, the attack on Endor seems to take a few minutes to get there, etc. You really think the Falcon took weeks to get from Hoth to Bespin?

Thanks for making me ask such a nerdy question.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

And what's up with the Jawa's stupidly shaped sand crawler? Nothing like a top heavy, high profile hunk of iron to go tooling around the sand dunes in.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Why wasn't Fin in a bacta tank?

 

[Insein]

How can they have life scanners that work at a distance but R2 has to manually plug into the Empire's mainframe like a goon?

His WiFi broke in the clone wars.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

There's a difference between plot holes and stuff that just doesn't work.

And you do not think there was anything in the first three that "just didn't work"?

Not much in the first two. A few in Jedi. Just about everything in the prequels.

Something as simple as the Rebels paying off Han's debt to Jabba?

Maybe the rebels don't have a ton of disposable cash to pay off smugglers debts. Intergalactic war ain't cheap y'know.

$8.1 quadrillion for 2 death stars alone

That would be relevant. If they were built by the Rebellion.

 

[PatsWillWin]

And what's up with the Jawa's stupidly shaped sand crawler? Nothing like a top heavy, high profile hunk of iron to go tooling around the sand dunes in.

I like Obiwan standing in front of that sand crawler talking about how "Only Imperial stormtroopers are so deadly accurate" where behind him the thing looks like it was shot up by a guy with Parkinsons.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

There's a difference between plot holes and stuff that just doesn't work.

And you do not think there was anything in the first three that "just didn't work"?

Not much in the first two. A few in Jedi. Just about everything in the prequels.

How about how it looks like Luke has weeks of training with Yoda when really it all happened while Han & Co. flew to and ate lunch at Cloud City?

And you know how long it took to get to Cloud City?

Yeah, I know that hyperspace jumps gets you to place pretty freaking fast. Tatooine to Alderaan takes about a game of animal-chess with Chewie, the attack on Endor seems to take a few minutes to get there, etc. You really think the Falcon took weeks to get from Hoth to Bespin?

Thanks for making me ask such a nerdy question.

The route from Tatooine-Alderaan wasn't as well patrolled so they had to be less clandestine.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

And what's up with the Jawa's stupidly shaped sand crawler? Nothing like a top heavy, high profile hunk of iron to go tooling around the sand dunes in.

I like Obiwan standing in front of that sand crawler talking about how "Only Imperial stormtroopers are so deadly accurate" where behind him the thing looks like it was shot up by a guy with Parkinsons.

There are strategic points you shoot to disable a sandcrawler.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

And what's up with the Jawa's stupidly shaped sand crawler? Nothing like a top heavy, high profile hunk of iron to go tooling around the sand dunes in.

I like Obiwan standing in front of that sand crawler talking about how "Only Imperial stormtroopers are so deadly accurate" where behind him the thing looks like it was shot up by a guy with Parkinsons.

And, from everything we saw in the first 3, stormtroopers couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

And what's up with the Jawa's stupidly shaped sand crawler? Nothing like a top heavy, high profile hunk of iron to go tooling around the sand dunes in.

I like Obiwan standing in front of that sand crawler talking about how "Only Imperial stormtroopers are so deadly accurate" where behind him the thing looks like it was shot up by a guy with Parkinsons.

And, from everything we saw in the first 3, stormtroopers couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat.

Stormtroopers <> Clonetroopers

 

[PatsWillWin]

And what's up with the Jawa's stupidly shaped sand crawler? Nothing like a top heavy, high profile hunk of iron to go tooling around the sand dunes in.

I like Obiwan standing in front of that sand crawler talking about how "Only Imperial stormtroopers are so deadly accurate" where behind him the thing looks like it was shot up by a guy with Parkinsons.

And, from everything we saw in the first 3, stormtroopers couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat.

They also wear full body armor that is incapable of protecting them from very small rocks being tossed at them by 3 ft. teddy bears.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Yoda: Hide these two babies we must

Senator Organa: Ok I will take the girl

Obi-Wan: I will take the boy back to his fathers home planet, place him with his mothers step-son and make sure he keeps his surname.

 

[NewlyRetired]

And what's up with the Jawa's stupidly shaped sand crawler? Nothing like a top heavy, high profile hunk of iron to go tooling around the sand dunes in.

I like Obiwan standing in front of that sand crawler talking about how "Only Imperial stormtroopers are so deadly accurate" where behind him the thing looks like it was shot up by a guy with Parkinsons.

And, from everything we saw in the first 3, stormtroopers couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat.

Stormtroopers <> Clonetroopers

do we know when in the EU that the Empire/First Order ran out of Clone Troopers? I had assumed it was between 6 and 7 but your post indicates it may have happened much earlier?

 

[PatsWillWin]

Yoda: Hide these two babies we must

Senator Organa: Ok I will take the girl

Obi-Wan: I will take the boy back to his fathers home planet, place him with his mothers step-son and make sure he keeps his surname.

Obi-Wan: I'll go to Tatooine as well to keep an eye on Luke, but just to be safe, I'll change my name to Old Ben Kenobi.

Kenobi is secretly one of the most incompetent bums in any story ever.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

And what's up with the Jawa's stupidly shaped sand crawler? Nothing like a top heavy, high profile hunk of iron to go tooling around the sand dunes in.

I like Obiwan standing in front of that sand crawler talking about how "Only Imperial stormtroopers are so deadly accurate" where behind him the thing looks like it was shot up by a guy with Parkinsons.

And, from everything we saw in the first 3, stormtroopers couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat.

Stormtroopers <> Clonetroopers

do we know when in the EU that the Empire/First Order ran out of Clone Troopers? I had assumed it was between 6 and 7 but your post indicates it may have happened much earlier?

Clones weren't used at all in the Old Trilogy.

 

[beer 30]

There's a difference between plot holes and stuff that just doesn't work.

And you do not think there was anything in the first three that "just didn't work"?

Not much in the first two. A few in Jedi. Just about everything in the prequels.

Something as simple as the Rebels paying off Han's debt to Jabba?

Maybe the rebels don't have a ton of disposable cash to pay off smugglers debts. Intergalactic war ain't cheap y'know.

$8.1 quadrillion for 2 death stars alone

That would be relevant. If they were built by the Rebellion.

I only point it out as a point of reference you contrarian *******

If the Empire/First Order is racking up that kind of expense with some visible means of support the Rebellion is spending way less but still it would have to be a quadrillion or so, no? How does a rag tag bunch of misfits raise that kind of coin skipping all over the universe and trying to build elaborate hidden bases no one has problems finding.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I only point it out as a point of reference you contrarian *******

If the Empire/First Order is racking up that kind of expense with some visible means of support the Rebellion is spending way less but still it would have to be a quadrillion or so, no? How does a rag tag bunch of misfits raise that kind of coin skipping all over the universe and trying to build elaborate hidden bases no one has problems finding.

Paying off bounties was going to be discussed in the next budgeting cycle, coincidentally.

 

[Bull Dozier]

There's a difference between plot holes and stuff that just doesn't work.

And you do not think there was anything in the first three that "just didn't work"?

Not much in the first two. A few in Jedi. Just about everything in the prequels.

How about how it looks like Luke has weeks of training with Yoda when really it all happened while Han & Co. flew to and ate lunch at Cloud City?

And you know how long it took to get to Cloud City?

Yeah, I know that hyperspace jumps gets you to place pretty freaking fast. Tatooine to Alderaan takes about a game of animal-chess with Chewie, the attack on Endor seems to take a few minutes to get there, etc. You really think the Falcon took weeks to get from Hoth to Bespin?

Thanks for making me ask such a nerdy question.

Hyperdrive wasn't working so it obviously took much longer.

 

[Gr00vus]

Thought Carrie Fisher was awful. Any scene she was in flopped, particularly those with Harrison Ford.

I think that's why they limited her screen time.

And it was still too much. I think that was my biggest problem with the movie, the acting of Carrie Fisher & Harrison Ford. They were bad in a way that really took away from the really, really good that was going on. And what's worse is they only got rid of half of the issue. Fisher isn't going anywhere unless they blow up her planet with a new generation death asteroid or something. Which I would thoroughly be in favor of.

I thought ford was terrific. Fisher was obviously awful.

I agree. He did grizzled Han way better than grizzled Indy. Assuming that the script he had to work with is a big part of it.

I thought Ford was really good. Much better than what I was expecting (which was what Fisher delivered). I figure they felt compelled to bring her back in some capacity, knowing full well what they were getting. If she could just move her upper lip somehow...

 

[Koya]

Why is Threepio's arm red?

That was 3PO? Didn't even recognize him.

 

[dparker713]

I read an interesting article last night saying Disney should dump the prequel trilogies and remake those. Just rip them out of canon and re-do the whole story.

That sounds awesome and insane at the same time.

Well, JJ is involved now so, a little time warp thing and it's all possible.

Time travel is never a good idea. Just remake the damn things if you're going to do it

 

[beer 30]

Thought Carrie Fisher was awful. Any scene she was in flopped, particularly those with Harrison Ford.

I think that's why they limited her screen time.

And it was still too much. I think that was my biggest problem with the movie, the acting of Carrie Fisher & Harrison Ford. They were bad in a way that really took away from the really, really good that was going on. And what's worse is they only got rid of half of the issue. Fisher isn't going anywhere unless they blow up her planet with a new generation death asteroid or something. Which I would thoroughly be in favor of.

I thought ford was terrific. Fisher was obviously awful.

I agree. He did grizzled Han way better than grizzled Indy. Assuming that the script he had to work with is a big part of it.

I thought Ford was really good. Much better than what I was expecting (which was what Fisher delivered). I figure they felt compelled to bring her back in some capacity, knowing full well what they were getting. If she could just move her upper lip somehow...

Didn't care for either of them but understand the bridge they were trying to form. Han's exit was perfect but with Fischer I'm afraid she is going to ride this out for the next few movies unless her character happens to be on one of the planets destroyed by the next death asteroid sun moon planet thing. At best she is relegated to a minimal role going forward but as leader of the resistance/rebellion/whatever she's going to be on camera at some point. I'm hoping Luke still has some acting left in the tank since he did absolutely nothing after Star Wars.

 

[Gr00vus]

Hamill's done a ton of voice work, particularly in cartoons and video games, over the interim. He's pretty good at it I understand. Not the same as full on acting, but at least it's something.

I can't believe they never let him do Corvette Summer II.

 

[dparker713]

As a reminder, this is the time gap between movies



From 1 to 2 was 10 years

From 2 to 3 was 3 years

From 3 to 4 was 19 years

From 4 to 5 was 3 years

From 5 to 6 was 1 year

From 6 to 7 was ~30 years

That timeline means Luke's entire training was a few hours/days in 4, a few days/weeks in 5, and some number of months between 5 and 6. Definitely less than a year and possibly as short as a couple of months.

 

[Hawks64]

Hamill's done a ton of voice work, particularly in cartoons and video games, over the interim. He's pretty good at it I understand. Not the same as full on acting, but at least it's something.

I can't believe they never let him do Corvette Summer II.

Best known for the Joker in Batman The Animated Series as well as the Joker in the Batman Arkham video games. Best Joker ever.

 

[AcerFC]

Hamill's done a ton of voice work, particularly in cartoons and video games, over the interim. He's pretty good at it I understand. Not the same as full on acting, but at least it's something.

I can't believe they never let him do Corvette Summer II.

Best known for the Joker in Batman The Animated Series as well as the Joker in the Batman Arkham video games. Best Joker ever.

would be $ if episode 8 opens on the mountain and him in his joker voice says, Harley Quinn, is that you

 

[dparker713]

I'm interested in the explanation of how Lukes original lightsaber was found.

It'll probably wind up in a book at some point.

 

[Insein]

Hamill's done a ton of voice work, particularly in cartoons and video games, over the interim. He's pretty good at it I understand. Not the same as full on acting, but at least it's something.

I can't believe they never let him do Corvette Summer II.

He's the best version of the Joker.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

"Dude, check it out... Padme". http://i.imgur.com/OU9CujA.jpg

 

[Hawks64]

"Dude, check it out... Padme". http://i.imgur.com/OU9CujA.jpg

 

[Otis]

"Dude, check it out... Padme". http://i.imgur.com/OU9CujA.jpg

Omg

 

[dparker713]

I am not trying to be a jerk. But you act as if there aren't some very questionable "things that don't work" in the originals. Thats all.

There aren't many...To me.And you're acting like all shortcomings are the same.

And how many jails post guards INSIDE the cells? I know they had to show Rey's Force awakening but it's those plot contrivance that drive me crazy

And IMO there are plenty of these "plot contrivances" in the first three.

Cool. IMO, there's not.

Explain flying down a trench guarded by turbo lasers for an extended period of time in order to hit a hole which has a shaft that runs perpendicular to your approach vector. Instead of, you know, making runs directly along the axis of the shaft.

There are plenty of things you can pick apart in the original trilogy if you try.

 

[dparker713]

Ben Kenobi = Obi Wan Kenobi...pretty tough code to crack.

Kenobi is the Smith of that galaxy.In the cantina alone there was Ownellco Kenobi and Muftak Kenobi. Dice Ibegon's maiden name was Kenobi.

"And these blast points, too accurate for sand people. Only imperial storm troopers are so precise" - Obi-Wan Kenobi

Lucas made a liar out of Kenobi constantly in the proceeding movies. That line worked perfectly at the time though.

Luke yells "Ben" in the middle of a hanger and all the troopers guarding the Falcon miss him repeatedly from less than 200 feet

 

[AAABatteries]

For you guys that are being nitpicky please go back and watch New Hope and Empire with the same eye and get back to us.

This is what I don't get - people love those movies and with good reason, they were a lot of fun. This one, unlike the a lot of the prequels, was the same - fun. I don't get the need to nitpick it.

 

[dparker713]

There's a difference between plot holes and stuff that just doesn't work.

And you do not think there was anything in the first three that "just didn't work"?

Not much in the first two. A few in Jedi. Just about everything in the prequels.

How about how it looks like Luke has weeks of training with Yoda when really it all happened while Han & Co. flew to and ate lunch at Cloud City?

And you know how long it took to get to Cloud City?

Yeah, I know that hyperspace jumps gets you to place pretty freaking fast. Tatooine to Alderaan takes about a game of animal-chess with Chewie, the attack on Endor seems to take a few minutes to get there, etc. You really think the Falcon took weeks to get from Hoth to Bespin?

Thanks for making me ask such a nerdy question.

Hyperdrive wasn't working so it obviously took much longer.

With the hyperdrive not working there should have been time dilation so Luke should have have 100 years or more to train in that sequence

 

[Shutout]

It didn't live u to the hype I was expecting. It was good. Little too safe, little too unoriginal. Little hard to buy that Rey, in one movie, basically rose to a higher Jedi competency level than Luke did in two movies and a month with Yoda, but...ehh.

Really enjoyed that it "felt" like an old Star Wars movie. Not over the top maneuvers, had some emotional strings, etc. was good.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Ben Kenobi = Obi Wan Kenobi...pretty tough code to crack.

Kenobi is the Smith of that galaxy.In the cantina alone there was Ownellco Kenobi and Muftak Kenobi. Dice Ibegon's maiden name was Kenobi.

"And these blast points, too accurate for sand people. Only imperial storm troopers are so precise" - Obi-Wan Kenobi

Lucas made a liar out of Kenobi constantly in the proceeding movies. That line worked perfectly at the time though.

Luke yells "Ben" in the middle of a hanger and all the troopers guarding the Falcon miss him repeatedly from less than 200 feet

the lowest point for the Storm Troopers in 4 has to be their balerina like grace in trying to get out of the elevator in the jail break scene.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

My only disappointment was they didn't do Luke be a Jedi tonight at the end.

 

[Politician Spock]

After reading the last few pages, I now hate all these movies.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Really fun movie though. You nerds over think stuff too much.

 

[17seconds]

It didn't live u to the hype I was expecting. It was good. Little too safe, little too unoriginal. Little hard to buy that Rey, in one movie, basically rose to a higher Jedi competency level than Luke did in two movies and a month with Yoda, but...ehh.

She looked like she was at the same level as Luke at the beginning of ESB (before Yoda). Can do a lightsaber force grab, fought an injured Kylo Ren to a draw. Plus, Luke had a hell of a time learning the force because he was so stubborn mentally at first. It comes naturally to Rey so she's on the fast track.

 

[need2know]

Hamill's done a ton of voice work, particularly in cartoons and video games, over the interim. He's pretty good at it I understand. Not the same as full on acting, but at least it's something.

I can't believe they never let him do Corvette Summer II.

He's the best version of the Joker.

Agree. Was going to bring this up but you guys beat me to it. Looking forward to him in star wars again. I bet he does a good job

 

[Hawks64]

It didn't live u to the hype I was expecting. It was good. Little too safe, little too unoriginal. Little hard to buy that Rey, in one movie, basically rose to a higher Jedi competency level than Luke did in two movies and a month with Yoda, but...ehh.

She looked like she was at the same level as Luke at the beginning of ESB (before Yoda). Can do a lightsaber force grab, fought an injured Kylo Ren to a draw. Plus, Luke had a hell of a time learning the force because he was so stubborn mentally at first. It comes naturally to Rey so she's on the fast track.

Bull####, Rey had him on the ground and was going to end him if it weren't for the planet imploding.

 

[ScottNorwood]

With the popularity of the new Star Wars franchise, can a Babylon 5 movie be far behind?

 

[Capella]

With the popularity of the new Star Wars franchise, can a Babylon 5 movie be far behind?

Time for another Spaceballs IMO

 

[ScottNorwood]

With the popularity of the new Star Wars franchise, can a Babylon 5 movie be far behind?

Time for another Spaceballs IMO

I know I'm in the minority, but the first one was garbage

 

[Jedi Knight]

Hamill's done a ton of voice work, particularly in cartoons and video games, over the interim. He's pretty good at it I understand. Not the same as full on acting, but at least it's something.

I can't believe they never let him do Corvette Summer II.

He's the best version of the Joker.

Agree. Was going to bring this up but you guys beat me to it. Looking forward to him in star wars again. I bet he does a good job

He's also the Trickster on Flash. Very cartoonish, but he can still act.