STAR WARS: EP 7 ***SPOILER ZONE*** - Go here if you've seen it (1 Viewer)

[Andy Dufresne]

Exactly. Hardcore fans are reading the books and comics,

Not all of them. Some are successfully keeping spoiler free.

 

[AAABatteries]

I've given up trying to explain it. The problem is ours I guess. They basically banked on the hardcore fan seeking out the back story on their own while the casual fan or just regular person would be fine with the watered down plot.

I understand this complaint - I'm not a hardcore fan - I don't even know what "EU" means although I can assume from context. I can appreciate that someone who knows a lot about the story could have issues. What I don't get is how people can point out problems with this movie but seemingly ignore those same issues in the original 3.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Exactly. Hardcore fans are reading the books and comics,

Not all of them. Some are successfully keeping spoiler free.

Of course not all of them. Just generalizing. My point is, for someone like you who didn't enjoy Awakens because of plot holes and needs to have things explained, then they should read the books etc. People needing crap explained is why midi-chlorians... no thanks.

I just can't get it through my head that anyone can not enjoy Awakens for these reasons yet can LOVE New Hope, Empire and Jedi.

 

[dparker713]

A lot would have been better for me if they'd simply written the Crawl a little differently. Even just the second paragraph...

"Weakened by false security, the unprepared Republic is forced to secretly support The Resistance. Led by General Leia Organa Solo, they are desperate to find her brother, Luke...."

Or something like that.

So your major problem is a single line.

 

[Insein]

A lot would have been better for me if they'd simply written the Crawl a little differently. Even just the second paragraph...

"Weakened by false security, the unprepared Republic is forced to secretly support The Resistance. Led by General Leia Organa Solo, they are desperate to find her brother, Luke...."

Or something like that.

Im not sure I get this. Completely agree that Fisher was bad but I don't understand this part. I don't read any of the books or know anything outside of the movies but how would that have changed what happened in the movie? I'm seriously asking because I just assumed this part but even if my assumption is wrong I don't see how it matters.

It would've changed it for me because it was confusing to me in the movie. And when things like that are confusing in the movie, it makes me wonder WTF is going on, and if I missed something. Which takes me out of the movie.

Keep in mind I gave this movie an 8.5/10, but the whole Republic/Resistance thing was confusing and not explained.

Maybe I over simplify my fantasy/sci-fi but I just assume it's good vs. evil. I believe you that you say you were confused, I still don't really see how that changes much of anything with the movie.

Knowing where we stand in the galaxy takes us there. None of the places in the film are known. They are familiar (Jakku = Tatooine, D'Quar = Yavin 4, Takodana = Endor-ish) but we don't have any detail on them. Having tried to avoid all spoiler info before hand, I didn't do my prerequisite reading to prepare to watch the movie I guess.

 

[SwampDawg]

Alright finally got to see it yesterday. First off it was very enjoyable but a little too New Hopeish in a few spots. I'd put it in a tie for 4th in my order of Favorites (1. Empire, 2. A New Hope, 3. Revenge of the Sith 4. Return of the Jedi/The Force Awakens)

The Good:

Rey - I like her character and I'm interested to see where they go with it. They take some liberties with her ability to learn to use the force so quickly but overall I found her enjoyable.

Poe - He needs his role expanded.

Han Solo - Great job interacting with the new characters, I thought he did a nice job tying the stories together.

BB8 - R2D2 Lite, loved the interaction with R2D2

The Disappointing:

Kylo Ren - I actually like the look with the mask on and like the way he pays homage to Darth Vader but two things really annoy me. First his look without the mask, horrible choice in my opinion. My first reaction when he takes the mask off is every Sheriff Nottingham I have seen in every Robin Hood movie before or Professor Snape from Harry Potter. The dude is just way too stereo typical looking and I didn't think his acting was that great. Second the temper tantrums like a 2 year old, Vader choked someone when they disappointed him, this guy slashes up consoles with is light saber. You will never be your grandfather at this rate.

 

[Insein]

A lot would have been better for me if they'd simply written the Crawl a little differently. Even just the second paragraph...

"Weakened by false security, the unprepared Republic is forced to secretly support The Resistance. Led by General Leia Organa Solo, they are desperate to find her brother, Luke...."

Or something like that.

So your major problem is a single line.

If that's what you think, then its obvious why the simplified plot works for you.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

A lot would have been better for me if they'd simply written the Crawl a little differently. Even just the second paragraph...

"Weakened by false security, the unprepared Republic is forced to secretly support The Resistance. Led by General Leia Organa Solo, they are desperate to find her brother, Luke...."

Or something like that.

So your major problem is a single line.

Not exactly.But yes, ONE of the biggest problems could have been solved with some better expository writing.

 

[jon_mx]

I hate James Bond movies because the bad guy always have to tell James their plot. Why not just put a bullet in his head and end it. How unrealistic!

 

[Insein]

Exactly. Hardcore fans are reading the books and comics,

Not all of them. Some are successfully keeping spoiler free.

Of course not all of them. Just generalizing. My point is, for someone like you who didn't enjoy Awakens because of plot holes and needs to have things explained, then they should read the books etc. People needing crap explained is why midi-chlorians... no thanks.

I just can't get it through my head that anyone can not enjoy Awakens for these reasons yet can LOVE New Hope, Empire and Jedi.

People take it to the extreme. No we don't midichlorians. No we don't need Senate hearings. The original trilogy did a good job giving you hints at the bigger picture without spelling it out for you. TFA is pretty straightforward Good vs Evil in a box.

 

[Politician Spock]

Incredibly dorky overuse of the word "canon" in here.

Exactly! Religious doctrine has ruined faith, and now it's ruining the greatest movie series ever. Hell exists because of people in this thread. Canon... for crying out loud... seriously?!?!?

 

[LAUNCH]

Exactly. Hardcore fans are reading the books and comics,

Not all of them. Some are successfully keeping spoiler free.

Of course not all of them. Just generalizing. My point is, for someone like you who didn't enjoy Awakens because of plot holes and needs to have things explained, then they should read the books etc. People needing crap explained is why midi-chlorians... no thanks.

I just can't get it through my head that anyone can not enjoy Awakens for these reasons yet can LOVE New Hope, Empire and Jedi.

It's pretty simple. In Star Wars the characters in the way they were acted and presented, I liked them and was in for the journey. In this Hangover 2 version, where they just did all the same things just not as well, I didn't care about the characters and the only part about Solo getting whacked that upset me is that he didn't take Leia with him.

 

[L5UT1ger]

Incredibly dorky overuse of the word "canon" in here.

Exactly! Religious doctrine has ruined faith, and now it's ruining the greatest movie series ever. Hell exists because of people in this thread. Canon... for crying out loud... seriously?!?!?

Heh. I used to consider myself a Star Wars nerd. I can't hold a candle to quoting "canon."

Question to those upset by the girl's abilities coming too quickly: Can't an awakening mean that something was asleep previously? Can't she have been trained already and it was wiped or buried somehow?

Finally, when was the actual awakening in the movie? I only saw it once, but was it when she touched the saber? thanks.

 

[FUBAR]

Big picture though re: AD, if you go into a space opera/action movie and get bothered by things like "What kind of prison puts guards inside the cell?" I don't think you're going to have a good time. And as has been pointed out here, there are Grand Canyon size holes/leaps in the original trilogy that get overlooked, mostly because we were all younger when we saw them.

I'm not sure who Rey's parents end up being, but I really hope she's a nobody. I would really hate it if she turns out to be a Skywalker. It just makes the universe feel very small when everyone is related to each other. A droid with a secret map to Luke Skywalker just happens to roll by Skywalker's secret/hidden/abandoned daughter in the middle of a desert planet? That would annoy me.

And, case in point, that's not too dissimilar to what happened in IV (a message sent by Luke's sister ends up in a droid that is sold to Luke's adoptive uncle), but I don't mind it in IV because, you know, I saw it as a dumb kid.

But Rey being Skywalker's kid will be the third main character being someone's kid, just stop already.

That, and when something happens once it can be explained - they knew where to find Ben (maybe Leia set the coordinates in r2d2 and she knew as she has the force), Ben was on the same planet as Luke to watch over him. The selling part we just accept, once.It's the repetition that kills our level of disbelief.

I want Rey to have been trained by Luke before Kylo went to the dark side and Luke, being a manic depressive with daddy issues, stopped training Jedi and became a recluse. I'd have to rewatch to remember, but did Rey ever say the Jedi weren't real or was that fin and she played dumb? Didn't she say "you're the Han solo who worked with Luke. .."?

I think Luke/Han/Jedi stuff was legend to many the way it looked in Awakens. As for repetition leading to disbelief are you guys kidding me? Have you not been on this planet that long or not studied its history?

of course history rhymes, but the coincidences listed throughout this thread are easier to believe happening once.

I enjoyed the movie, just think they could have done a few things better. Hopefully VIII and IX tie things together well.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I'm kind of hoping they take it in a dark direction with Rey.

Maybe the reason she was sent away by Luke was because he sensed much Dark Side in her? She certainly gains the upper hand in her battle with Ren when she starts using her aggressive feelings.

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

I'm kind of hoping they take it in a dark direction with Rey.

Maybe the reason she was sent away by Luke was because he sensed much Dark Side in her? She certainly gains the upper hand in her battle with Ren when she starts using her aggressive feelings.

I would like to see this. Maybe she starts off so naïve and infallible because it will make even a slight transgression into a shocking fall.

 

[Hang 10]

I'm kind of hoping they take it in a dark direction with Rey.

I think they will. Strong indication that she wants Finn's saber.

 

[Capella]

A lot would have been better for me if they'd simply written the Crawl a little differently. Even just the second paragraph...

"Weakened by false security, the unprepared Republic is forced to secretly support The Resistance. Led by General Leia Organa Solo, they are desperate to find her brother, Luke...."

Or something like that.

So your major problem is a single line.

Not exactly.But yes, ONE of the biggest problems could have been solved with some better expository writing.

Geez, man

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I'm kind of hoping they take it in a dark direction with Rey.

Maybe the reason she was sent away by Luke was because he sensed much Dark Side in her? She certainly gains the upper hand in her battle with Ren when she starts using her aggressive feelings.

Ray turns out to be evil in 8. By the start of 9 the good guys are fighting Rey and Ren and are losing badly. The First Order beats them back and back and back and back. Sensing defeat with nothing to do about it, Luke decides to take the Falcon by himself and turn on the hyperdrive without setting a course. The Falcon stays in hyperspace for weeks. It eventually fails and drops out of hyperspace in a distant galaxy so far away from the First Order that they will never find him nor even know where to look. He sees in the distance a blue planet and lands on the planet. Luke lands the Falcon and walks for miles eventually coming up on a primitive tribe of humans. He teaches them how to make fire and tools. He tells stories about a force for good. He refers to the planet as, Earth.

End credits.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I'm kind of hoping they take it in a dark direction with Rey.

Maybe the reason she was sent away by Luke was because he sensed much Dark Side in her? She certainly gains the upper hand in her battle with Ren when she starts using her aggressive feelings.

I would like to see this. Maybe she starts off so naïve and infallible because it will make even a slight transgression into a shocking fall.

and then she gets her hand chopped off!

 

[Andy Dufresne]

A lot would have been better for me if they'd simply written the Crawl a little differently. Even just the second paragraph...

"Weakened by false security, the unprepared Republic is forced to secretly support The Resistance. Led by General Leia Organa Solo, they are desperate to find her brother, Luke...."

Or something like that.

So your major problem is a single line.

Not exactly.But yes, ONE of the biggest problems could have been solved with some better expository writing.

Geez, man

What? A new major player is introduced to the Star Wars universe and the seasoned viewer is left to unnecessarily grope in the dark to figure them out - a problem that is easily solvable in the opening freaking credits.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I'm kind of hoping they take it in a dark direction with Rey.

Maybe the reason she was sent away by Luke was because he sensed much Dark Side in her? She certainly gains the upper hand in her battle with Ren when she starts using her aggressive feelings.

Ray turns out to be evil in 8. By the start of 9 the good guys are fighting Rey and Ren and are losing badly. The First Order beats them back and back and back and back. Sensing defeat with nothing to do about it, Luke decides to take the Falcon by himself and turn on the hyperdrive without setting a course. The Falcon stays in hyperspace for weeks. It eventually fails and drops out of hyperspace in a distant galaxy so far away from the First Order that they will never find him nor even know where to look. He sees in the distance a blue planet and lands on the planet. Luke lands the Falcon and walks for miles eventually coming up on a primitive tribe of humans. He teaches them how to make fire and tools. He tells stories about a force for good. He refers to the planet as, Earth.End credits.

By your command.

 

[Politician Spock]

Incredibly dorky overuse of the word "canon" in here.

Exactly! Religious doctrine has ruined faith, and now it's ruining the greatest movie series ever. Hell exists because of people in this thread. Canon... for crying out loud... seriously?!?!?

Heh. I used to consider myself a Star Wars nerd. I can't hold a candle to quoting "canon."

I've always been a Star Wars nerd. Owned the toys, and back in 78/79 my brother had a record of some of the scenes that we'd play while running around the house acting it out. Then we'd go outside and make up our own stories. I love Star Wars because it's a place where I can imagine anything. #### this "canon" ####!!! It turns Star Wars into a place where imagination is off limits. It's like Will Farrell gluing all the lego pieces together. For crying out loud people, let there be holes in fictional stories. IT'S NOT REAL!!! If it were, it wouldn't be fun. It would be like this not fun thread.

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

I'm kind of hoping they take it in a dark direction with Rey.

Maybe the reason she was sent away by Luke was because he sensed much Dark Side in her? She certainly gains the upper hand in her battle with Ren when she starts using her aggressive feelings.

Ray turns out to be evil in 8. By the start of 9 the good guys are fighting Rey and Ren and are losing badly. The First Order beats them back and back and back and back. Sensing defeat with nothing to do about it, Luke decides to take the Falcon by himself and turn on the hyperdrive without setting a course. The Falcon stays in hyperspace for weeks. It eventually fails and drops out of hyperspace in a distant galaxy so far away from the First Order that they will never find him nor even know where to look. He sees in the distance a blue planet and lands on the planet. Luke lands the Falcon and walks for miles eventually coming up on a primitive tribe of humans. He teaches them how to make fire and tools. He tells stories about a force for good. He refers to the planet as, Earth.End credits.

By your command.

I feel like we saw this before...

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I had a vinyl cape jawa.

The cape is long gone.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

A lot would have been better for me if they'd simply written the Crawl a little differently. Even just the second paragraph...

"Weakened by false security, the unprepared Republic is forced to secretly support The Resistance. Led by General Leia Organa Solo, they are desperate to find her brother, Luke...."

Or something like that.

So your major problem is a single line.

Not exactly.But yes, ONE of the biggest problems could have been solved with some better expository writing.

Geez, man

What? A new major player is introduced to the Star Wars universe and the seasoned viewer is left to unnecessarily grope in the dark to figure them out - a problem that is easily solvable in the opening freaking credits.

You needed to be told that they were desperate to find Luke or that the Republic was supporting the Resistance?

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I'm kind of hoping they take it in a dark direction with Rey.

Maybe the reason she was sent away by Luke was because he sensed much Dark Side in her? She certainly gains the upper hand in her battle with Ren when she starts using her aggressive feelings.

Ray turns out to be evil in 8. By the start of 9 the good guys are fighting Rey and Ren and are losing badly. The First Order beats them back and back and back and back. Sensing defeat with nothing to do about it, Luke decides to take the Falcon by himself and turn on the hyperdrive without setting a course. The Falcon stays in hyperspace for weeks. It eventually fails and drops out of hyperspace in a distant galaxy so far away from the First Order that they will never find him nor even know where to look. He sees in the distance a blue planet and lands on the planet. Luke lands the Falcon and walks for miles eventually coming up on a primitive tribe of humans. He teaches them how to make fire and tools. He tells stories about a force for good. He refers to the planet as, Earth.End credits.

By your command.

IT could work. Luke has to continue to grow his beard though so he looks all god like. To primitive humans on Earth, if he used the force to pick up an apple they would think he is a God. The story of the Force is the start of religion. Learning fire is the start of technology. Luke dies peacefully hoping that he has started a new people on a course to better understand good and evil. He even shows himself in the future to his followers as a Force ghost and watches over the people he started off on their journey.

You know Luke in the original mongolian is pronounced yehweh, right?

 

[Insein]

I'm kind of hoping they take it in a dark direction with Rey.

Maybe the reason she was sent away by Luke was because he sensed much Dark Side in her? She certainly gains the upper hand in her battle with Ren when she starts using her aggressive feelings.

I would enjoy it if they took that chance but if this movie is any indication, they went safe with familiar ideas. I don't think Disney wants their strong female protagonist becoming evil. Hunger games made $1.2billion from their movies and that was without a Star Wars name. This is Disney's Kadnis. They won't take the chance of making her unlikable.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

You needed to be told that they were desperate to find Luke or that the Republic was supporting the Resistance?

JFC. I need to know who the Resistance is and what their relationship is to the Republic. It's central to the story.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I'm kind of hoping they take it in a dark direction with Rey.

Maybe the reason she was sent away by Luke was because he sensed much Dark Side in her? She certainly gains the upper hand in her battle with Ren when she starts using her aggressive feelings.

I would enjoy it if they took that chance but if this movie is any indication, they went safe with familiar ideas. I don't think Disney wants their strong female protagonist becoming evil. Hunger games made $1.2billion from their movies and that was without a Star Wars name. This is Disney's Kadnis. They won't take the chance of making her unlikable.

As a side note...I went to Mockingjay Part 2 the night before Force Awakens.Man do THOSE movies suck. The whole universe is dumb.

 

[Insein]

You needed to be told that they were desperate to find Luke or that the Republic was supporting the Resistance?

JFC. I need to know who the Resistance is and what their relationship is to the Republic. It's central to the story.

Don't bother AD. They were happy that we had a star wars movie with less detail and more non stop action. That's enough for the masses.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I'm kind of hoping they take it in a dark direction with Rey.

Maybe the reason she was sent away by Luke was because he sensed much Dark Side in her? She certainly gains the upper hand in her battle with Ren when she starts using her aggressive feelings.

I would enjoy it if they took that chance but if this movie is any indication, they went safe with familiar ideas. I don't think Disney wants their strong female protagonist becoming evil. Hunger games made $1.2billion from their movies and that was without a Star Wars name. This is Disney's Kadnis. They won't take the chance of making her unlikable.

As a side note...I went to Mockingjay Part 2 the night before Force Awakens.Man do THOSE movies suck. The whole universe is dumb.

Really? I wouldn't say they suck. I like the universe. I would actually like a movie about the Capital attacking the districts or how they got to that point.

In the grouping of those "teenagers are being ruined by adults in the future dystopia" movies though, I put Maze Runner first, then Divergent, then Hunger Games. And the only reason Divergent is higher than Hunger Games is because the women are better looking. At least they were until Woodley cut her hair. That was stupid.

 

[Hang 10]

You needed to be told that they were desperate to find Luke or that the Republic was supporting the Resistance?

JFC. I need to know who the Resistance is and what their relationship is to the Republic. It's central to the story.

The problem is that they just wanted to make a clone of ANH and that meant resetting the whole story. Probably would have made more sense (and more interesting) to show the first order creation and going to war with the new republic. You know, an actual progression of the story.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Quite frankly I am surprised they did not make a 6-hour movie just to spell out the entire story for each of you.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

You needed to be told that they were desperate to find Luke or that the Republic was supporting the Resistance?

JFC. I need to know who the Resistance is and what their relationship is to the Republic. It's central to the story.

I sure hope you can figure it out by the time VIII comes out so you can enjoy it.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

You needed to be told that they were desperate to find Luke or that the Republic was supporting the Resistance?

JFC. I need to know who the Resistance is and what their relationship is to the Republic. It's central to the story.

I sure hope you can figure it out by the time VIII comes out so you can enjoy it.

I already said I expect to enjoy it much more the second time.

 

[need2know]

Sneaking out of work this afternoon to see it again. Second time

 

[Slapdash]

I'm kind of hoping they take it in a dark direction with Rey.

Maybe the reason she was sent away by Luke was because he sensed much Dark Side in her? She certainly gains the upper hand in her battle with Ren when she starts using her aggressive feelings.

Ray turns out to be evil in 8. By the start of 9 the good guys are fighting Rey and Ren and are losing badly. The First Order beats them back and back and back and back. Sensing defeat with nothing to do about it, Luke decides to take the Falcon by himself and turn on the hyperdrive without setting a course. The Falcon stays in hyperspace for weeks. It eventually fails and drops out of hyperspace in a distant galaxy so far away from the First Order that they will never find him nor even know where to look. He sees in the distance a blue planet and lands on the planet. Luke lands the Falcon and walks for miles eventually coming up on a primitive tribe of humans. He teaches them how to make fire and tools. He tells stories about a force for good. He refers to the planet as, Earth.End credits.

So Terrans are half Jedi/half Cylon?

 

[NewlyRetired]

Question to those upset by the girl's abilities coming too quickly: Can't an awakening mean that something was asleep previously? Can't she have been trained already and it was wiped or buried somehow?

Finally, when was the actual awakening in the movie? I only saw it once, but was it when she touched the saber? thanks.

One common speculation is that she was trained by Luke and then when Luke lost Kylo, he panicked and mind wiped Rey and stored her away for her protection.

The awakening part could be the touching of the saber or any time she relearned how to use the force.

Hopefully 8 will flesh this out a little more.

I am still wondering how much time will have past between 7 and 8. I think many rae expecting 8 to start right where 7 left off but that is not how SW movies are typically structured.

 

[mcintyre1]

Incredibly dorky overuse of the word "canon" in here.

Exactly! Religious doctrine has ruined faith, and now it's ruining the greatest movie series ever. Hell exists because of people in this thread. Canon... for crying out loud... seriously?!?!?

Canon has been used to describe official vs. unofficial lore in fictional universes for awhile guys... like, decades.

 

[dparker713]

A lot would have been better for me if they'd simply written the Crawl a little differently. Even just the second paragraph...

"Weakened by false security, the unprepared Republic is forced to secretly support The Resistance. Led by General Leia Organa Solo, they are desperate to find her brother, Luke...."

Or something like that.

So your major problem is a single line.

If that's what you think, then its obvious why the simplified plot works for you.

I was able to fill in the blanks. You weren't

 

[dparker713]

I'm kind of hoping they take it in a dark direction with Rey.

Maybe the reason she was sent away by Luke was because he sensed much Dark Side in her? She certainly gains the upper hand in her battle with Ren when she starts using her aggressive feelings.

Ray turns out to be evil in 8. By the start of 9 the good guys are fighting Rey and Ren and are losing badly. The First Order beats them back and back and back and back. Sensing defeat with nothing to do about it, Luke decides to take the Falcon by himself and turn on the hyperdrive without setting a course. The Falcon stays in hyperspace for weeks. It eventually fails and drops out of hyperspace in a distant galaxy so far away from the First Order that they will never find him nor even know where to look. He sees in the distance a blue planet and lands on the planet. Luke lands the Falcon and walks for miles eventually coming up on a primitive tribe of humans. He teaches them how to make fire and tools. He tells stories about a force for good. He refers to the planet as, Earth.

End credits.

Where's the angel?

 

[dparker713]

A lot would have been better for me if they'd simply written the Crawl a little differently. Even just the second paragraph...

"Weakened by false security, the unprepared Republic is forced to secretly support The Resistance. Led by General Leia Organa Solo, they are desperate to find her brother, Luke...."

Or something like that.

So your major problem is a single line.

Not exactly.But yes, ONE of the biggest problems could have been solved with some better expository writing.

Geez, man

What? A new major player is introduced to the Star Wars universe and the seasoned viewer is left to unnecessarily grope in the dark to figure them out - a problem that is easily solvable in the opening freaking credits.

Most seasoned viewers seemed quite able to figure things out as it was.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Incredibly dorky overuse of the word "canon" in here.

Exactly! Religious doctrine has ruined faith, and now it's ruining the greatest movie series ever. Hell exists because of people in this thread. Canon... for crying out loud... seriously?!?!?

Canon has been used to describe official vs. unofficial lore in fictional universes for awhile guys... like, decades.

I think they were talking tongue in cheek.

I assumed everyone understood what canon was in the context of sci fi genre........hell, even Disney puts out information on what they consider canon or not.

 

[Joe Summer]

Question to those upset by the girl's abilities coming too quickly: Can't an awakening mean that something was asleep previously? Can't she have been trained already and it was wiped or buried somehow?

Finally, when was the actual awakening in the movie? I only saw it once, but was it when she touched the saber? thanks.

One common speculation is that she was trained by Luke and then when Luke lost Kylo, he panicked and mind wiped Rey and stored her away for her protection.

Because if anything says "protection", it's dumping a kid on a desolate planet where she's forced to scrounge for food on a daily basis.

 

[FUBAR]

A lot would have been better for me if they'd simply written the Crawl a little differently. Even just the second paragraph...

"Weakened by false security, the unprepared Republic is forced to secretly support The Resistance. Led by General Leia Organa Solo, they are desperate to find her brother, Luke...."

Or something like that.

So your major problem is a single line.

Not exactly.But yes, ONE of the biggest problems could have been solved with some better expository writing.

Geez, man

What? A new major player is introduced to the Star Wars universe and the seasoned viewer is left to unnecessarily grope in the dark to figure them out - a problem that is easily solvable in the opening freaking credits.

Most seasoned viewers seemed quite able to figure things out as it was.

Sure. But they made us think!

 

[dparker713]

You needed to be told that they were desperate to find Luke or that the Republic was supporting the Resistance?

JFC. I need to know who the Resistance is and what their relationship is to the Republic. It's central to the story.

The problem is that they just wanted to make a clone of ANH and that meant resetting the whole story. Probably would have made more sense (and more interesting) to show the first order creation and going to war with the new republic. You know, an actual progression of the story.

1-3 already failed to make the rise of the Empire interesting. The heart of Star Wars success is the struggle of a few heroes in the face of immense odds. Its not showing the inter-workings of galactic politics.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

The Force Awakens Crawl rewritten with Andys edits:

[SIZE=9pt]THE FORCE AWAKENS[/SIZE]​

[SIZE=9pt]Luke Skywalker has vanished. In his absence, the sinister FIRST ORDER has risen from the ashes of the Empire and will not rest until Skywalker, the last Jedi, has been destroyed.[/SIZE]​

[SIZE=9pt]Weakened by false security, & [/SIZE][SIZE=9pt]with the support of the [/SIZE][SIZE=9pt]unprepared[/SIZE][SIZE=9pt] REPUBLIC, [/SIZE][SIZE=9pt]Led by[/SIZE][SIZE=9pt] General Leia Organa[/SIZE][SIZE=9pt] Solo,[/SIZE] [SIZE=9pt]is forced to secretly support [/SIZE][SIZE=9pt]leads [/SIZE][SIZE=9pt]a brave RESISTANCE.[/SIZE][SIZE=9pt]They are [/SIZE][SIZE=9pt]She[/SIZE][SIZE=9pt] is desperate to find her brother Luke and gain his help in restoring peace and justice to the galaxy.[/SIZE]​

[SIZE=9pt]Leia has sent her most daring pilot on a secret mission to Jakku, where an old ally has discovered a clue to Luke’s whereabouts….[/SIZE]​

 

[Sinn Fein]

I'm kind of hoping they take it in a dark direction with Rey.

Maybe the reason she was sent away by Luke was because he sensed much Dark Side in her? She certainly gains the upper hand in her battle with Ren when she starts using her aggressive feelings.

Ray turns out to be evil in 8. By the start of 9 the good guys are fighting Rey and Ren and are losing badly. The First Order beats them back and back and back and back. Sensing defeat with nothing to do about it, Luke decides to take the Falcon by himself and turn on the hyperdrive without setting a course. The Falcon stays in hyperspace for weeks. It eventually fails and drops out of hyperspace in a distant galaxy so far away from the First Order that they will never find him nor even know where to look. He sees in the distance a blue planet and lands on the planet. Luke lands the Falcon and walks for miles eventually coming up on a primitive tribe of humans. He teaches them how to make fire and tools. He tells stories about a force for good. He refers to the planet as, Earth.

End credits.

Which could lead to one last Indiana Jones movie where an aging Indy comes across a light saber deep in a remote forrest and is chased by descendants of Rey and/or Ren. Eventually the light saber is recovered and stored in a government warehouse, right next to the arc...both boxes begin to glow as the final credits hit the screen...

 

[Hang 10]

You needed to be told that they were desperate to find Luke or that the Republic was supporting the Resistance?

JFC. I need to know who the Resistance is and what their relationship is to the Republic. It's central to the story.

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You needed to be told that they were desperate to find Luke or that the Republic was supporting the Resistance?

JFC. I need to know who the Resistance is and what their relationship is to the Republic. It's central to the story.

The problem is that they just wanted to make a clone of ANH and that meant resetting the whole story. Probably would have made more sense (and more interesting) to show the first order creation and going to war with the new republic. You know, an actual progression of the story.

1-3 already failed to make the rise of the Empire interesting. The heart of Star Wars success is the struggle of a few heroes in the face of immense odds. Its not showing the inter-workings of galactic politics.

1-3's failure isn't a defense for future movies.

ETA: Also, who said anything about politics? I'm talking about the bad guys gathering up the remnants of the old empire and fighting the new republic army.