Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Rey's Force and lightsaber abilities aren't silly if she a) is super powerful and/or b) was already trained in them (which she almost certainly was).
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STAR WARS: EP 7 ***SPOILER ZONE*** - Go here if you've seen it (2 Viewers)
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Hang 10
Footballguy
Sure if you accept the premise that her mind was "wiped" (something that has never happened) and she learned all this stuff by the age of maybe 4 or 5 years old.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Is it that inconceivable to think that Rey felt the guys mind and the manipulation aspect of it just clicked in her head? The scene was a bit cheesy, but it's not like it worked for her right away.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Lots of Force stuff has apparently been forgotten and re-discovered. Qui Gon learned how to exist after death, for example.
Hang 10
Footballguy
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Somewhat fair, and they could introduce things in 8/9 to explain it. Even with those though still tough to buy that she'd smack around Ren on her first day, when Ren had the same exact training as a kid and years of additional training on top of that, and is a Skywalker which makes him pretty much a lock to be super powerful himself.
Even Anakin, the unstoppably powerful chosen one who pooped midichlorians still got smacked around a fair amount by better trained force users after his years of training between Ep1 and Ep2.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
She was able to take on Ren because he was severely wounded by Chewie.
And, again, it's not too hard to swallow if she's simply that powerful with the Force.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
It's pretty clear that Luke found the Jedi temple where he was able to use the force to orchestrate things from afar. Rey wasn't that powerful with the force, but Luke was channelling his powers through her.
Sorry if the rest of you guys missed that part.
Sorry if the rest of you guys missed that part.
Thank you for acknowledging that it's a valid criticism.
If that were the only thing that bothered me it would've been easy to just enjoy the ride. And I did enjoy it the first time I took it and it was called A New Hope
This one was cool, but when I hear that this is the movie the fans have been clamoring for and we can all breathe a big sigh of relief because the franchise is in good hands, well... that's not how I feel at all.
Hang 10
Footballguy
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
They also show her as being very capable with a melee weapon already. Plus, you can see that Kylo is at first scared/apprehensive about fighting her. He already said how she is super powerful with the force and that every second her powers are growing. She showed him up in the cell. Then she got the lightsaber instead of him. So he was cautious. Not to mention injured. Plus, his goal was to take her alive.
Otis
Footballguy
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Youre kidding right?If you consider Star Wars Sci-Fi it means that YOU are not into Science Fiction.
It is considered a space fantasy or space opera in that whole genre.
Wiki
Hmmmmm
Seriously???
Youre just trying to be difficult
American Film Institute disagrees
belljr
Footballguy
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Capella
Footballguy
can't tell if kidding
belljr
Footballguy
That's the definition of scify? I had no idea. I thought all along all space movies were Sci fi.
Full disclosure: I have no clue on any of this
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
The american film institute disagrees with capella for the record.That's the definition of scify? I had no idea. I thought all along all space movies were Sci fi.
Full disclosure: I have no clue on any of this
Capella
Footballguy
What about Star Wars is based in any kind of scientific realm? The light sabers? The guy in a tin can suit pulling people towards him magically? Their pew pew blasters? The giant working space stations that have people walking around normally while these giant doors are open?The american film institute disagrees with capella for the record.That's the definition of scify? I had no idea. I thought all along all space movies were Sci fi.
Capella
Footballguy
I actually don't know, but I do know Star Wars is pretty much the definition of fantasy.That's the definition of scify? I had no idea. I thought all along all space movies were Sci fi.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
No real SciFi fans consider Star Wars SciFi.
Star Wars: Fantasy
Star Trek; SciFi
Firefly: Western
Too many people automatically think SciFi when something is in space.
Star Wars: Fantasy
Star Trek; SciFi
Firefly: Western
Too many people automatically think SciFi when something is in space.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Fantasy is typically based in magic that is unexplained by science. That is exactly what the force is.
Remember that Lucas himself has said that Lord of the Rings were a huge influence on him and Gandalf affected much of the Obi Wan character when he was writing.
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belljr
Footballguy
The force is just a small part of the whole.The whole is in space and other planets
How is star trek different?
Eta: I never watched star trek
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NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Star Trek is not based in magic. It is based on Science.The force is just a small part of the whole.The whole is in space and other planets
How is star trek different?
Eta: I never watched star trek
Lucas used Lord of the Rings as his influence where as Roddenberry tried to use science as his influence when writing.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Here are Lucas's own words on whether he made a SciFi or a Fantasy
"As a kid, I read a lot of science fiction. But instead of reading technical, hard-science writers like Isaac Asimov, I was interested in Harry Harrison and a fantastic, surreal approach to the genre. I grew up on it. Star Wars is a sort of compilation of this stuff, but it's never been put in one story before, never put down on film. There is a lot taken from Westerns, mythology, and samurai movies. It's all the things that are great put together. It's not like one kind of ice cream but rather a very big sundae."
I knew from the beginning that I was not doing science fiction. I was doing a space opera, a fantasy film, a mythological piece, a fairy tale. I really thought I needed to establish from the start that this was a completely made up world so that I could do anything I wanted."
"As a kid, I read a lot of science fiction. But instead of reading technical, hard-science writers like Isaac Asimov, I was interested in Harry Harrison and a fantastic, surreal approach to the genre. I grew up on it. Star Wars is a sort of compilation of this stuff, but it's never been put in one story before, never put down on film. There is a lot taken from Westerns, mythology, and samurai movies. It's all the things that are great put together. It's not like one kind of ice cream but rather a very big sundae."
I knew from the beginning that I was not doing science fiction. I was doing a space opera, a fantasy film, a mythological piece, a fairy tale. I really thought I needed to establish from the start that this was a completely made up world so that I could do anything I wanted."
Insein
Footballguy
Jesus you really used that as evidence?Just spitballing here, but you saying you can suspend disbelief about mind control as long as it was taught, but you simply can't accept that maybe the precursor to mind control is being able to connect inside somebody's head(which happened to her moments before). Or maybe the little magical particles told her about it...Think I made it pretty clear in my first post. The only reason Rey knows about a Jedi mind trick is because of "star wars". Seemed a little too self aware and silly.I guess I misunderstood your point. I thought you were criticizing the scene for playing out like comedy.What was the point then?I just said it was played as comedy. Like spaceballs.It was comedy. Intentionally. Why else would they have Daniel Craig do it?Sorry, that's just how I saw it. The scene was even played as comedy. "and uh..drop your weapon"Abrams ####ed your girlfriend or sister, right?
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Then I will happily consider myself not a real scifi fan.
You can have your little sub-clique. Enjoy.
Insein
Footballguy
A) Star Wars is NOT SciFi. It's fantasy.
B) Kirk did get promoted too quickly and in the second movie demotions, promotions and resignations are very loosely taken in Star Fleet.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
They didn't go a great job of highlighting this in the movie (or rather the actor who played Ren didn't) but he'd also been shot with Chewie's crossbow and I think Fin took a piece out of him as well. That could have been a factor.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
What? What other reason does anyone in a movie ever win a fight other than that it is what is in the plot?
Insein
Footballguy
Since there's no extended universe established for it, I didn't read too much into it. Was a good movie.
Insein
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
He hit his side where the injury happened several times pounding on it like a penn state linebacker might They made a point to show blood a few times too. He was very worked up and focused on it.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
And they also highlighted the cross bow three different times in the movie and pretty much blowing up what ever it hit. JJ even had Han say some lines to enforce just how strong the weapon was after it sent multiple Storm Troopers flying.
That was all a set up to show that Kylo took a massive blow just before the fight.
But the fact that even though this was highlighted, it does not appear to have resonated with the audience as anyone who calls Kylo weak never seems to acknowledge how badly he might have been hurt.
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As a side note, I have a feeling we are going to see many more Ren's next movie so it might be best to call him Kylo to differentiate going forward.
shader
Footballguy
Side note: I'm up to three people in real life who didn't like the movie.
One: total nerd. Just feels "something was missing".
Two: want-to-be intellectual who thinks he's the smart one because he doesn't love the movie like everyone else.
Three: Great friend of mine just saw it w me last night, it was his first time. He gave it a 6.5. Pretty high marks for a guy who really didn't like the original 3.
Bottom line, this movie was a smashing hit. It appealed to Star Wars fans and blew it out of the park. Few don't like it and those that do usually have really dumb reasons and ultimately can't be pleased.
Upon seeing it a 4th time, the only thing I don't like is Leia. She is really bad in this movie. I wouldn't mind if she gets the axe early in 8. The less the better.
One: total nerd. Just feels "something was missing".
Two: want-to-be intellectual who thinks he's the smart one because he doesn't love the movie like everyone else.
Three: Great friend of mine just saw it w me last night, it was his first time. He gave it a 6.5. Pretty high marks for a guy who really didn't like the original 3.
Bottom line, this movie was a smashing hit. It appealed to Star Wars fans and blew it out of the park. Few don't like it and those that do usually have really dumb reasons and ultimately can't be pleased.
Upon seeing it a 4th time, the only thing I don't like is Leia. She is really bad in this movie. I wouldn't mind if she gets the axe early in 8. The less the better.
shader
Footballguy
People are still whining about Kylo losing to Ren? He never even tried to kill her. He was trying to make her join him and then she gave into the force and lost it on a weakened Ren.
Also, he's at the beginning of his villainous career, as Abrams has said. He's not as far along as Darth Maul, Dooku, Sidious, or Darth Vader. Easily the weakest villain in the series so far. But we know that. This is the beginning of this new saga.
Also, he's at the beginning of his villainous career, as Abrams has said. He's not as far along as Darth Maul, Dooku, Sidious, or Darth Vader. Easily the weakest villain in the series so far. But we know that. This is the beginning of this new saga.
Riversco
Footballguy
Are you serious? I would be shocked if everything a galactic civilization could do DIDN'T look like magic to us. Realistically, it probably doesn't go far enough. I would expect them to break several "laws" of physics (because they've come to understand they aren't really laws at all).Capella said:
We're primitives next to them. We're the anthill next to a skyscraper.
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oh man, you pwned me so hard hereparasaurolophus said:Youre kidding right?cockroach said:If you consider Star Wars Sci-Fi it means that YOU are not into Science Fiction.
It is considered a space fantasy or space opera in that whole genre.
Wiki
Hmmmmm
Seriously???
Youre just trying to be difficult
American Film Institute disagrees
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