STAR WARS: EP 7 ***SPOILER ZONE*** - Go here if you've seen it (2 Viewers)

[The Noid]

This theory that Rey is Obi-Wan's granddaughter has some merit:

http://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/this-new-star-wars-fan-theory-might-hold-the-key-to-reys-parentage

 

[dparker713]

JJ played it safe with this movie, and I don't blame him. He came into this thing with a list of things he had to do and he checked them off one by one. As long as it didn't suck outright like the Phantom Menace, it was going to be embraced by the community at large (and make a crap load of money).

I went all-in on Phantom Menace. Walked into the theater like I just pushed all my chips into the middle of the table with a grin from ear to ear. I walked out of that showing in stunned silence, and I think that memory kept me from fully getting into this one. I wasn't going to let that Phantom Menace experience happen again, so I don't think I totally embraced this one on it's own merits.

Rey and Fin were good, also don't have a problem with Oscar Isaacs rolling into the "next Han" role. But the casting of Adam Driver as the whiny emo Sith Lord was a big mistake. As soon as he took off the helmet I never bought him as a bad-### from that point forward. I get all of the outside reasons they cast him, but his performance had a 'Shia LeBouf-iness' to it. A small flashback scene might have also added some drama to the scene on the bridge with Han. It felt kind of flat to me, and it shouldn't have. That was supposed to be the bridge (nudge nudge wink wink) from the old series to the new, the teary-eyed goodbye to our hero Han Solo...and it never gripped me that way.

Seeing Greg Grunberg on the screen made me wish for Jar Jar. That guy is the worst actor on the planet. Thankfully, his role was small, but this makes me a tiny bit nervous that he's going to have a bigger role going forward.

What worked:

Han Solo (Ford was locked in and some great one liners "trash compactor?")

Chewie (just small things like his expression when the hologram chess set is activated)

Han and Chewie interaction ("oh, YOU'RE cold?")

BB-8

Set design

Fin

Seeing the Falcon again

New Sith Lord powers

Big Giant Snoke hologram

What didn't work:

- Characters that don't earn their expertise. We bought that Luke was good because he trained with Yoda and Obi-Wan for a while. These characters were masters from minute one, and are able to draw on talents like "these aren't the droids you're looking for" without any training whatsoever. (I did buy that Rey knew about how ships work since she's been 'working on them' her whole life).

- Kylo Ren in the second half of the movie (first half - able to stop a laser bolt in mid-air? you have my attention)

But, he really didn't if you look back at those instances. Obi Wan had maybe a week with Luke before he died and Luke didn't even really believe in the Force until after Obi Wan's death. He spent maybe a couple of weeks with Yoda before he left to go save his friends (which Yoda warned him not to do, as he wasn't anywhere near ready), and they didn't reunite until his death bed scene in ROTJ.

As for Rey's mind trick, it didn't bother me very much for a couple of reasons. First, I don't think that mind tricking is a particularly difficult skill for most Jedi. In Clone Wars and throughout the movies we see Jedi do it all the time, including Padawans. Second, her reaction to hearing the name Luke Skywalker on the Falcon with Han implies to me that there is a wealth of legend regarding Luke and the Jedi in the universe, and it isn't a difficult stretch for me to believe that Rey might have heard stories about Jedi being able to do mind tricks to get out of bad situations. We also have it drilled into us repeatedly in the universe that power in the Force often comes from belief, rather than rote skill. It takes Rey three tries to mind trick the trooper, and one could argue that it only does work after she is confident that it will.

As for Kylo Ren, it seems to me that a lot of the complaints people have for him are inherently comparing him to Vader, which I think they make very clear isn't a proper comparison. Kylo is not as respected as Vader was among the wider Empire/First Order, is clearly not in control of his emotions, and clearly isn't fully trained in the ways of the dark side. This character is not Vader and isn't supposed to be. If anything, he's proto-Vader. We're getting to see true character growth for the villain, rather than having a fully formed and established evil that doesn't really change much until the very end of the story arc. I can understand why some people might not like that, but I personally don't have a problem with it. I have a feeling that we'll see a lot of changes to Kylo's character throughout the trilogy.

My problem with Ren was the flop from being someone with the most outlandish display of the force ever in an opening sequence to not really being very good at all with it in the second half. He was conveniently awesome and terrible when the plot needed him to be. Maybe his bad sabre play was what got him kicked out of Luke's Jedi School . Like General Hux, I kind of didn't fear him at all in the second half. Now if I were a console, I would have really feared him then. He sure knew how to slice up a console.

Gonna disagree on the timeline of how much Jedi training Luke received, but we can all agree he received some training throughout the OT. He didn't just pick up a light sabre and become Aldo Nadi immediately.

Good theory on Rey's use of the mind trick. Sounds like the kind of story that gets told through the generations. I can buy that as the primer to her using it.

Force lightning is so much more badass than stopping a blaster shot midair.

 

[Worm]

JJ played it safe with this movie, and I don't blame him. He came into this thing with a list of things he had to do and he checked them off one by one. As long as it didn't suck outright like the Phantom Menace, it was going to be embraced by the community at large (and make a crap load of money).

I went all-in on Phantom Menace. Walked into the theater like I just pushed all my chips into the middle of the table with a grin from ear to ear. I walked out of that showing in stunned silence, and I think that memory kept me from fully getting into this one. I wasn't going to let that Phantom Menace experience happen again, so I don't think I totally embraced this one on it's own merits.

Rey and Fin were good, also don't have a problem with Oscar Isaacs rolling into the "next Han" role. But the casting of Adam Driver as the whiny emo Sith Lord was a big mistake. As soon as he took off the helmet I never bought him as a bad-### from that point forward. I get all of the outside reasons they cast him, but his performance had a 'Shia LeBouf-iness' to it. A small flashback scene might have also added some drama to the scene on the bridge with Han. It felt kind of flat to me, and it shouldn't have. That was supposed to be the bridge (nudge nudge wink wink) from the old series to the new, the teary-eyed goodbye to our hero Han Solo...and it never gripped me that way.

Seeing Greg Grunberg on the screen made me wish for Jar Jar. That guy is the worst actor on the planet. Thankfully, his role was small, but this makes me a tiny bit nervous that he's going to have a bigger role going forward.

What worked:

Han Solo (Ford was locked in and some great one liners "trash compactor?")

Chewie (just small things like his expression when the hologram chess set is activated)

Han and Chewie interaction ("oh, YOU'RE cold?")

BB-8

Set design

Fin

Seeing the Falcon again

New Sith Lord powers

Big Giant Snoke hologram

What didn't work:

- Characters that don't earn their expertise. We bought that Luke was good because he trained with Yoda and Obi-Wan for a while. These characters were masters from minute one, and are able to draw on talents like "these aren't the droids you're looking for" without any training whatsoever. (I did buy that Rey knew about how ships work since she's been 'working on them' her whole life).

- Kylo Ren in the second half of the movie (first half - able to stop a laser bolt in mid-air? you have my attention)

I get that she has zero training, but Luke has a two minute lesson in 4, and a couple of days in 5. It might be jarring, but I don't think it's all that inconsistent compared to the original trilogy.

If she really is the one to bring balance to the force, then it works for me.

 

[Brady Marino]

Seeing Greg Grunberg on the screen made me wish for Jar Jar. That guy is the worst actor on the planet. Thankfully, his role was small, but this makes me a tiny bit nervous that he's going to have a bigger role going forward.

Agreed. He's the drizzling ####s.

Problem is that he's been BFFs with Abrams since childhood.

 

[mcintyre1]

Found this post on Reddit that pretty much hits all of the points I've said before on why Rey is Luke's daughter and why she was where she was, best summary I've seen yet. It also has some insights from the novel that I hadn't heard before that I've bolded:

Everything in the film supports Rey being Luke's daughter.

• Is stashed/hidden on a desert planet, just like Luke was, echoing the character.
• Has atypical mechanical aptitude, like Luke and (particularly) Anakin
• Has an attachment to an X-Wing fighter helmet, and a doll dressed like an old-Rebellion X-Wing pilot. Why would she feel drawn to these things in particular?
• Is unusually strong in the Force, suggesting parentage in the Skywalker blood line. Han and Leia never speak about losing a daughter as well as a son.
• Is a gifted pilot, just like Luke/Anakin.
• Experiences a cascade of Force visions, all centered on either Luke or Kylo Ren, upon touching Luke/Anakin's saber.
• Maz points out that the saber belonged to Anakin/Luke and is now calling out to her.
• The voices she hears in the vision are Yoda's and Obi Wan's, both teachers of Luke.
• She has a vision in her head of the island where Luke can be found.
• When she pulls the saber from the snow, the music sting is "Burning Homestead", which was Luke's theme from A New Hope.
• Leia walks past the grieving Chewbacca to embrace her despite meeting her in that moment for the first time. She also looks at her like she knows her.
• Luke looks absolutely stricken to see her, and she has tears in her eyes at the sight of Luke.
• In the teaser trailers for the film, Hamill delivers his ROTJ "The Force is Strong in my Family" speech. They had him re-record the dialogue, changing the order slightly. Small chance he was referencing Ben, high chance he was referencing Rey.

Some things in the film support her being left on Jakku not by Luke, but by Kylo Ren.

• We can presume Luke was not present for the massacre or he would have stopped it.
• During her force visions, she's cringing on the ground as a weapon swings towards her...Kylo then kills the wielder (who would have been one of his own Knights of Ren).
• Kylo feels strongly possessive of all things Skywalker (Vader's helmet, the Bespin saber) and is known to struggle with strong impulses towards mercy/compassion.
• The merchant she is left with, Plutt, seems to have a direct communication line with the First Order. He also doesn't seem like a likely figure for a loving/grieving father to leave someone with.
• When he discovers the Droid and Finn escaped with the help of "a girl" he begins throttling the messenger while angrily intoning "what GIRL", emphasis on "girl". He does not seem at all happy to discover a GIRL on JAKKU just got involved with something.
• When he interrogates her on Starkiller, he seems very genial/gentle with her. When he uses the Force to touch her mind, he tells her "I feel it too". In the novelization, what they're "feeling" in that moment is described as "a connection".
• When she escapes, he informs a trooper that she is testing her powers and that "with every moment that passes she grows more dangerous". That doesn't sound like he's talking about an untrained force sensitive.
• When left on Jakku, Rey is wearing what looks like a Padawan outfit, and the silhouette of the departing ship looks almost identical to a First Order drop ship.
• Also in the novelization, Kylo whispers "It IS you" when she pulls the Bespin saber from the snow, and she thinks to herself "he seemed to know more about her than she knew about herself".
• Kylo persistently shows more interest in capturing/training Rey than in killing her.

The only thing that might NOT support it, also from the novelization, is that as part of Rey's vision sequence she hears a voice that says "I'll come back, sweetheart. I promise." This doesn't rule OUT Ben Solo entirely (she does see a vision of Kylo Ren during the same sequence)...if he spared her in a moment of compassion he might have genuine warmth of feeling for her, and Kylo Ren might not have totally asserted himself as the dominant personality yet. But it does raise the question of whether a remark like that is tonally appropriate for the character.

I'll still theorize that she was left on Jakku by Kylo Ren after the massacre of Luke's students. Being skilled at poking around in minds, he blocked or repressed her memories to hide her from both Luke and Snoke, and left her with Plutt, intending to retrieve her later to train/mentor. This is why Maz informs Rey that her dreams of a returning family are never going to be realized, and that to find her family she needs to move forward and not back. Luke thinks she's dead. Han and Leia thought her dead. And Ben Solo is effectively all but dead himself.

Alternatively Luke left her there, but why he chose Plutt to watch over her of all people is beyond me.

This also pointed out that music during the pivotal scene where the saber flies to Rey is no Luke's "The Force" theme looking at the two suns setting like I thought, but is a direct pull from "Burning Farmstead" in ANH when Luke finds Owen and Beru. That's an even stronger emotional/musical connection between her and Luke, in my opinion.

 

[tommyboy]

It's weird that people can't accept Adam Driver but could then buy into a young Mark Hammill.

I'm not sure I understand this. I don't like Adam Driver as an actor. Something about him rubs me the wrong way. Probably because the first thing I saw him in was Girls. I didn't say he didn't do a good job in the Star Wars movie. But I'm never going to be able to think of him as a badass.On the other hand, I was a kid when I saw the first Star Wars, and I had no opinion about Mark Hamill. I didn't have any problem believing he was a naive yokel who thought he knew more than he did. I don't think I would have bought him as a badass in the original trilogy, either, but that's not what he was playing. Even in Jedi, he was still unsure of himself and thought he knew more than he did. Hell, when he claims that he is a Jedi on Dagobah, Yoda practically laughs in his face, despite dying at the time.

My point is both actors are kind of weiner-looking guys but it doesn't matter because you don't have to look like the Rock to pull off a bad-### role in this movie universe.

And I think what he's saying is that Luke wasn't a bad ###. He was your average teen punk that was cocky, annoying and inexperienced. He played that part well.Driver is supposed to be a badass and shows badass moments but for some people they have a hard time believing that Driver the person is a badass.

Check out the imperial emperor of Japan circa 1945

 

[parasaurolophus]

Doesnt Kylo refer to her as his cousin in the video game?

 

[cstu]

In hindsight, they should have left Han Solo sealed in carbonite.

 

[Joe Summer]

The only thing that might NOT support it, also from the novelization, is that as part of Rey's vision sequence she hears a voice that says "I'll come back, sweetheart. I promise." This doesn't rule OUT Ben Solo entirely (she does see a vision of Kylo Ren during the same sequence)...if he spared her in a moment of compassion he might have genuine warmth of feeling for her, and Kylo Ren might not have totally asserted himself as the dominant personality yet. But it does raise the question of whether a remark like that is tonally appropriate for the character.

Rey was Ben Solo's girlfriend. Luke ordered him to break up with her. Instead, he stashed her on Jakku and implanted false memories into her brain (making her think that she'd been there since she was 5-years old, when in reality she'd only been there a few months). Then he went back to the Jedi Temple and burned it down in retaliation. Luke survived, but all of the young trainees perished.

 

[Hang 10]

In hindsight, they should have left Han Solo sealed in carbonite.

It was kinda sad to see Han reduced to a clumsy old man. It was like Indiana Jones and the Crystal skull all over again. Why not let the character progress? Seeing both these iconic cool characters trying act like they've "still go it" as a senior citizen is heart breaking.

 

[Righetti]

I believe that Ben is Luke's son but because a Jedi is not supposed to have romance, he hides him with Leia who promise to care for her like he their own, it happens very young (birth??) so Ben does not know. The other one that never knew was Han, as Leia had kept the secret from him as he was off for a year on a mission when she tells him she had a son. It will be revealed when Luke and Kylo Ren meet in a duel and Luke reveals to Kylo this "I am your father" before Kylo kills him as Rey watches. She later battles him and loses, badly

In IX, Kylo has become supreme leader and is Vader level badass, easily capturing power through his brutality. He finally meets Rey again, this time the battle is closer as her power is stronger and more even, Rey goes to battle and goes to strike down Kyko with Snoke watching and urging her on to finish him. In their final battle Kylo once again removes his mask and reveals to Rey that he is her father before Snoke zaps her with lightning

 

[dparker713]

The only thing that might NOT support it, also from the novelization, is that as part of Rey's vision sequence she hears a voice that says "I'll come back, sweetheart. I promise." This doesn't rule OUT Ben Solo entirely (she does see a vision of Kylo Ren during the same sequence)...if he spared her in a moment of compassion he might have genuine warmth of feeling for her, and Kylo Ren might not have totally asserted himself as the dominant personality yet. But it does raise the question of whether a remark like that is tonally appropriate for the character.

Rey was Ben Solo's girlfriend. Luke ordered him to break up with her. Instead, he stashed her on Jakku and implanted false memories into her brain (making her think that she'd been there since she was 5-years old, when in reality she'd only been there a few months). Then he went back to the Jedi Temple and burned it down in retaliation. Luke survived, but all of the young trainees perished.

Dude is 10 years older than her

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Late to the party on paying attention to this, but this Rogue One movie sounds kind of bad-###.

 

[Insein]

The only thing that might NOT support it, also from the novelization, is that as part of Rey's vision sequence she hears a voice that says "I'll come back, sweetheart. I promise." This doesn't rule OUT Ben Solo entirely (she does see a vision of Kylo Ren during the same sequence)...if he spared her in a moment of compassion he might have genuine warmth of feeling for her, and Kylo Ren might not have totally asserted himself as the dominant personality yet. But it does raise the question of whether a remark like that is tonally appropriate for the character.

Rey was Ben Solo's girlfriend. Luke ordered him to break up with her. Instead, he stashed her on Jakku and implanted false memories into her brain (making her think that she'd been there since she was 5-years old, when in reality she'd only been there a few months). Then he went back to the Jedi Temple and burned it down in retaliation. Luke survived, but all of the young trainees perished.

Dude is 10 years older than her

And she was like 7-9 years old when dropped on Jakku.

 

[Joe Summer]

The only thing that might NOT support it, also from the novelization, is that as part of Rey's vision sequence she hears a voice that says "I'll come back, sweetheart. I promise." This doesn't rule OUT Ben Solo entirely (she does see a vision of Kylo Ren during the same sequence)...if he spared her in a moment of compassion he might have genuine warmth of feeling for her, and Kylo Ren might not have totally asserted himself as the dominant personality yet. But it does raise the question of whether a remark like that is tonally appropriate for the character.

Rey was Ben Solo's girlfriend. Luke ordered him to break up with her. Instead, he stashed her on Jakku and implanted false memories into her brain (making her think that she'd been there since she was 5-years old, when in reality she'd only been there a few months). Then he went back to the Jedi Temple and burned it down in retaliation. Luke survived, but all of the young trainees perished.

Dude is 10 years older than her

And she was like 7-9 years old when dropped on Jakku.

What, you don't think a Jedi could implant false memories?

 

[NewlyRetired]

The only thing that might NOT support it, also from the novelization, is that as part of Rey's vision sequence she hears a voice that says "I'll come back, sweetheart. I promise." This doesn't rule OUT Ben Solo entirely (she does see a vision of Kylo Ren during the same sequence)...if he spared her in a moment of compassion he might have genuine warmth of feeling for her, and Kylo Ren might not have totally asserted himself as the dominant personality yet. But it does raise the question of whether a remark like that is tonally appropriate for the character.

Rey was Ben Solo's girlfriend. Luke ordered him to break up with her. Instead, he stashed her on Jakku and implanted false memories into her brain (making her think that she'd been there since she was 5-years old, when in reality she'd only been there a few months). Then he went back to the Jedi Temple and burned it down in retaliation. Luke survived, but all of the young trainees perished.

Dude is 10 years older than her

And she was like 7-9 years old when dropped on Jakku.

Does the novel mention her age? She seemed even younger than that.

 

[Insein]

The only thing that might NOT support it, also from the novelization, is that as part of Rey's vision sequence she hears a voice that says "I'll come back, sweetheart. I promise." This doesn't rule OUT Ben Solo entirely (she does see a vision of Kylo Ren during the same sequence)...if he spared her in a moment of compassion he might have genuine warmth of feeling for her, and Kylo Ren might not have totally asserted himself as the dominant personality yet. But it does raise the question of whether a remark like that is tonally appropriate for the character.

Rey was Ben Solo's girlfriend. Luke ordered him to break up with her. Instead, he stashed her on Jakku and implanted false memories into her brain (making her think that she'd been there since she was 5-years old, when in reality she'd only been there a few months). Then he went back to the Jedi Temple and burned it down in retaliation. Luke survived, but all of the young trainees perished.

Dude is 10 years older than her

And she was like 7-9 years old when dropped on Jakku.

What, you don't think a Jedi could implant false memories?

No.

 

[cstu]

The only thing that might NOT support it, also from the novelization, is that as part of Rey's vision sequence she hears a voice that says "I'll come back, sweetheart. I promise." This doesn't rule OUT Ben Solo entirely (she does see a vision of Kylo Ren during the same sequence)...if he spared her in a moment of compassion he might have genuine warmth of feeling for her, and Kylo Ren might not have totally asserted himself as the dominant personality yet. But it does raise the question of whether a remark like that is tonally appropriate for the character.

Rey was Ben Solo's girlfriend. Luke ordered him to break up with her. Instead, he stashed her on Jakku and implanted false memories into her brain (making her think that she'd been there since she was 5-years old, when in reality she'd only been there a few months). Then he went back to the Jedi Temple and burned it down in retaliation. Luke survived, but all of the young trainees perished.

Dude is 10 years older than her

And she was like 7-9 years old when dropped on Jakku.

What happens on Jakku, stays on Jakku.

 

[tommyboy]

Homer alert

 

[Bob Magaw]

The Force Awakens became #1 in North American box office history today (non-inflation adjusted), reaching about three quarters of a billion one day shy of three weeks, what took Avatar seven months.

It opens in China Saturday. The previous high for a US film there was less than $400 million, but it wouldn't be a big surprise if Star Wars shatters that record like so many others. Early projections are that it will finish #2 all time, between 2.2-2.4 billion, but they could be on the low side, imo (possible severely underestimated). So far, it has been an unstoppable force, steamrolling through everything in its path, obliterating every previous record on its way to a seemingly destined #1 finish.

 

[Capella]

My wife loved 7. Made her watch 4 last night.

Me after the movie: a lot of people say 7 is like 4.

Her: What? Who? People on the Internet? Why? Just because of the space station thing?

Me: yea and the bar scene.

Her: they can only have one bar in the galaxy? Nobody else is allowed to drink? I thought it was a big place. That doesn't make any sense, that's stupid and people just want stuff to complain about. These movies aren't alike at all. You need to start spending less time on the Internet.

 

[Insein]

My wife loved 7. Made her watch 4 last night.

Me after the movie: a lot of people say 7 is like 4.

Her: What? Who? People on the Internet? Why? Just because of the space station thing?

Me: yea and the bar scene.

Her: they can only have one bar in the galaxy? Nobody else is allowed to drink? I thought it was a big place. That doesn't make any sense, that's stupid and people just want stuff to complain about. These movies aren't alike at all. You need to start spending less time on the Internet.

I don't think a single person has mentioned the bar scene but its nice your wife, someone who has never watched ANH can't see the difference. Verifies what they were going for.

 

[Capella]

My wife loved 7. Made her watch 4 last night.

Me after the movie: a lot of people say 7 is like 4.

Her: What? Who? People on the Internet? Why? Just because of the space station thing?

Me: yea and the bar scene.

Her: they can only have one bar in the galaxy? Nobody else is allowed to drink? I thought it was a big place. That doesn't make any sense, that's stupid and people just want stuff to complain about. These movies aren't alike at all. You need to start spending less time on the Internet.

I don't think a single person has mentioned the bar scene but its nice your wife, someone who has never watched ANH can't see the difference. Verifies what they were going for.

Bar scene was mentioned in here a few times for sure.

 

[dparker713]

My wife loved 7. Made her watch 4 last night.

Me after the movie: a lot of people say 7 is like 4.

Her: What? Who? People on the Internet? Why? Just because of the space station thing?

Me: yea and the bar scene.

Her: they can only have one bar in the galaxy? Nobody else is allowed to drink? I thought it was a big place. That doesn't make any sense, that's stupid and people just want stuff to complain about. These movies aren't alike at all. You need to start spending less time on the Internet.

I don't think a single person has mentioned the bar scene but its nice your wife, someone who has never watched ANH can't see the difference. Verifies what they were going for.

Bar scene was mentioned in here a few times for sure.

Which version of 4 did you show her?

 

[Capella]

My wife loved 7. Made her watch 4 last night.

Me after the movie: a lot of people say 7 is like 4.

Her: What? Who? People on the Internet? Why? Just because of the space station thing?

Me: yea and the bar scene.

Her: they can only have one bar in the galaxy? Nobody else is allowed to drink? I thought it was a big place. That doesn't make any sense, that's stupid and people just want stuff to complain about. These movies aren't alike at all. You need to start spending less time on the Internet.

I don't think a single person has mentioned the bar scene but its nice your wife, someone who has never watched ANH can't see the difference. Verifies what they were going for.

Bar scene was mentioned in here a few times for sure.

Which version of 4 did you show her?

Blu Ray

 

[Capella]

Watching 4 last night, it really isn't anything like 7 at all. People are just seeing what they want to see IMO.

 

[Insein]

My wife loved 7. Made her watch 4 last night.

Me after the movie: a lot of people say 7 is like 4.

Her: What? Who? People on the Internet? Why? Just because of the space station thing?

Me: yea and the bar scene.

Her: they can only have one bar in the galaxy? Nobody else is allowed to drink? I thought it was a big place. That doesn't make any sense, that's stupid and people just want stuff to complain about. These movies aren't alike at all. You need to start spending less time on the Internet.

I don't think a single person has mentioned the bar scene but its nice your wife, someone who has never watched ANH can't see the difference. Verifies what they were going for.

Bar scene was mentioned in here a few times for sure.

Which version of 4 did you show her?

Blu Ray

Oof

 

[Hang 10]

My wife loved 7. Made her watch 4 last night.

Me after the movie: a lot of people say 7 is like 4.

Her: What? Who? People on the Internet? Why? Just because of the space station thing?

Me: yea and the bar scene.

Her: they can only have one bar in the galaxy? Nobody else is allowed to drink? I thought it was a big place. That doesn't make any sense, that's stupid and people just want stuff to complain about. These movies aren't alike at all. You need to start spending less time on the Internet.

Huh...that's interesting. You've been with a woman?

 

[Insein]

Watching 4 last night, it really isn't anything like 7 at all. People are just seeing what they want to see IMO.

That's funny. I watched it right after 7 and checked off all the similarities but also noted where ANH does a better job of exposition to give you some detail on the galaxy at large.

 

[Hang 10]

Watching 4 last night, it really isn't anything like 7 at all. People are just seeing what they want to see IMO.

That being said, let’s take a look at the ways that Episodes IV and VII mirror each other.

1. There’s a droid carrying valuable information who finds himself on a desolate desert planet.

2. There’s a Force-sensitive, masked, and darkly clothed antagonist who arrives on the scene shortly after the information is handed off, looking for the droid.

3. There’s a desert settlement that is wiped out by stormtroopers.

4. There’s a hero who’s tortured by the bad guys to retrieve the information.

5. There’s a lonely, Force-strong desert dweller who dreams of more.

6. There’s a worldly old warrior who has to explain the Force to the next generation.

7. There’s a cruel military officer who holds a comparable level of authority to his Force-sensitive, masked, and darkly clothed colleague.

8. There’s a mostly unseen supreme evil that’s pulling the strings from the shadows.

9. There’s a criminal element that’s owed a debt by Han Solo and attempts to kill him after he screws up their arrangement.

10. There’s a cantina filled with various alien creatures.

11. There’s a moment when one of the heroes abandons the fight as a self-preservation measure, but he eventually returns.

12. There’s a massive spherical weapon that’s used to destroy a planet.

13. There’s a base belonging to the rebel forces on a forest-covered world.

14. There’s a surrogate father figure who is cut down by someone previously close to him, who has turned to the dark side.

15. The hero watches helplessly from afar as the surrogate father figure is slayed.

16. There’s a coordinated aerial attack on the massive spherical weapon that’s monitored from a control room by Leia.

17. There’s a trench that X-wings flew through in order to fire on a vulnerability in the weapon and destroy it.

18. There’s a massive explosion that gives the rebels a major victory but likely allows the Force-sensitive, masked, and darkly clothed antagonist to survive to fight another day.

Other than that it's totally different!

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/19/star-wars-force-awakens-new-hope-similarities

 

[Capella]

Watching 4 last night, it really isn't anything like 7 at all. People are just seeing what they want to see IMO.

That being said, lets take a look at the ways that Episodes IV and VII mirror each other.

1. Theres a droid carrying valuable information who finds himself on a desolate desert planet.

2. Theres a Force-sensitive, masked, and darkly clothed antagonist who arrives on the scene shortly after the information is handed off, looking for the droid.

3. Theres a desert settlement that is wiped out by stormtroopers.

4. Theres a hero whos tortured by the bad guys to retrieve the information.

5. Theres a lonely, Force-strong desert dweller who dreams of more.

6. Theres a worldly old warrior who has to explain the Force to the next generation.

7. Theres a cruel military officer who holds a comparable level of authority to his Force-sensitive, masked, and darkly clothed colleague.

8. Theres a mostly unseen supreme evil thats pulling the strings from the shadows.

9. Theres a criminal element thats owed a debt by Han Solo and attempts to kill him after he screws up their arrangement.

10. Theres a cantina filled with various alien creatures.

11. Theres a moment when one of the heroes abandons the fight as a self-preservation measure, but he eventually returns.

12. Theres a massive spherical weapon thats used to destroy a planet.

13. Theres a base belonging to the rebel forces on a forest-covered world.

14. Theres a surrogate father figure who is cut down by someone previously close to him, who has turned to the dark side.

15. The hero watches helplessly from afar as the surrogate father figure is slayed.

16. Theres a coordinated aerial attack on the massive spherical weapon thats monitored from a control room by Leia.

17. Theres a trench that X-wings flew through in order to fire on a vulnerability in the weapon and destroy it.

18. Theres a massive explosion that gives the rebels a major victory but likely allows the Force-sensitive, masked, and darkly clothed antagonist to survive to fight another day.

Other than that it's, totally different!

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/19/star-wars-force-awakens-new-hope-similarities

 

[Hang 10]

Watching 4 last night, it really isn't anything like 7 at all. People are just seeing what they want to see IMO.

That being said, lets take a look at the ways that Episodes IV and VII mirror each other.

1. Theres a droid carrying valuable information who finds himself on a desolate desert planet.

2. Theres a Force-sensitive, masked, and darkly clothed antagonist who arrives on the scene shortly after the information is handed off, looking for the droid.

3. Theres a desert settlement that is wiped out by stormtroopers.

4. Theres a hero whos tortured by the bad guys to retrieve the information.

5. Theres a lonely, Force-strong desert dweller who dreams of more.

6. Theres a worldly old warrior who has to explain the Force to the next generation.

7. Theres a cruel military officer who holds a comparable level of authority to his Force-sensitive, masked, and darkly clothed colleague.

8. Theres a mostly unseen supreme evil thats pulling the strings from the shadows.

9. Theres a criminal element thats owed a debt by Han Solo and attempts to kill him after he screws up their arrangement.

10. Theres a cantina filled with various alien creatures.

11. Theres a moment when one of the heroes abandons the fight as a self-preservation measure, but he eventually returns.

12. Theres a massive spherical weapon thats used to destroy a planet.

13. Theres a base belonging to the rebel forces on a forest-covered world.

14. Theres a surrogate father figure who is cut down by someone previously close to him, who has turned to the dark side.

15. The hero watches helplessly from afar as the surrogate father figure is slayed.

16. Theres a coordinated aerial attack on the massive spherical weapon thats monitored from a control room by Leia.

17. Theres a trench that X-wings flew through in order to fire on a vulnerability in the weapon and destroy it.

18. Theres a massive explosion that gives the rebels a major victory but likely allows the Force-sensitive, masked, and darkly clothed antagonist to survive to fight another day.

Other than that it's, totally different!

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/19/star-wars-force-awakens-new-hope-similarities

That's only a partial list. Could probably come up with 18 more before lunch.

 

[Capella]

Watching 4 last night, it really isn't anything like 7 at all. People are just seeing what they want to see IMO.

That being said, lets take a look at the ways that Episodes IV and VII mirror each other.

1. Theres a droid carrying valuable information who finds himself on a desolate desert planet.

2. Theres a Force-sensitive, masked, and darkly clothed antagonist who arrives on the scene shortly after the information is handed off, looking for the droid.

3. Theres a desert settlement that is wiped out by stormtroopers.

4. Theres a hero whos tortured by the bad guys to retrieve the information.

5. Theres a lonely, Force-strong desert dweller who dreams of more.

6. Theres a worldly old warrior who has to explain the Force to the next generation.

7. Theres a cruel military officer who holds a comparable level of authority to his Force-sensitive, masked, and darkly clothed colleague.

8. Theres a mostly unseen supreme evil thats pulling the strings from the shadows.

9. Theres a criminal element thats owed a debt by Han Solo and attempts to kill him after he screws up their arrangement.

10. Theres a cantina filled with various alien creatures.

11. Theres a moment when one of the heroes abandons the fight as a self-preservation measure, but he eventually returns.

12. Theres a massive spherical weapon thats used to destroy a planet.

13. Theres a base belonging to the rebel forces on a forest-covered world.

14. Theres a surrogate father figure who is cut down by someone previously close to him, who has turned to the dark side.

15. The hero watches helplessly from afar as the surrogate father figure is slayed.

16. Theres a coordinated aerial attack on the massive spherical weapon thats monitored from a control room by Leia.

17. Theres a trench that X-wings flew through in order to fire on a vulnerability in the weapon and destroy it.

18. Theres a massive explosion that gives the rebels a major victory but likely allows the Force-sensitive, masked, and darkly clothed antagonist to survive to fight another day.

Other than that it's, totally different!

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/19/star-wars-force-awakens-new-hope-similaritieshttp://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/19/star-wars-force-awakens-new-hope-similarities

That's only a partial list. Could probably come up with 18 more before lunch.

You do that.

 

[Hang 10]

1. the opening shot is the bottom of a massive spaceship.

2. escape the desert planet on the millennium falcon

3 & 4 main character is given Anakin Skywalker's light saber. Light saber was kept in a chest

5. someone dressed as a storm trooper helps our new hero escape

6. somone uses the jedi mind trick on a storm trooper

7. a scene where the death star plans are shown to discuss it's weaknesses

8. General Hux = Tarkin

9. new death star targets rebel base

10. new death star is destroyed just before it's fully charged and ready to shoot

11. our hero goes crazy shooting bad guys after watching his friend/mentor be killed

Got 3 more hours and to come up with 7 more.

 

[Hang 10]

12. Someone is put in a trash compactor on the death star

13. Masked villain was once a jedi

14. Masked villain betrayed mentor and helped the bad guys destroy the jedi

15. Bad guys get rid of the senate

16. Masked villain talks like a robot

17. Jedi master is in hiding after emergence of new bad guys

18. R2D2 reveals key information at the end of the movie

There, that wasn't so hard.

 

[MattFancy]

12. Someone is put in a trash compactor on the death star

13. Masked villain was once a jedi

14. Masked villain betrayed mentor and helped the bad guys destroy the jedi

15. Bad guys get rid of the senate

16. Masked villain talks like a robot

17. Jedi master is in hiding after emergence of new bad guys

18. R2D2 reveals key information at the end of the movie

There, that wasn't so hard.

When did that happen in TFA?

 

[Anarchy99]

The Force Awakens became #1 in North American box office history today (non-inflation adjusted), reaching about three quarters of a billion one day shy of three weeks, what took Avatar seven months.

It opens in China Saturday. The previous high for a US film there was less than $400 million, but it wouldn't be a big surprise if Star Wars shatters that record like so many others. Early projections are that it will finish #2 all time, between 2.2-2.4 billion, but they could be on the low side, imo (possible severely underestimated). So far, it has been an unstoppable force, steamrolling through everything in its path, obliterating every previous record on its way to a seemingly destined #1 finish.

As I mentioned earlier, Star Wars is more iconic domestically than internationally. From industry predictions I have seen, TFA is not generating massive buzz in China and SW has not been a huge draw there. Many people think it will only hit $250-300 million in China. It still needs around $1.3 billion to catch Avatar. I also think they will re-release Avatar in front of the sequels, so Avatar's total may not be done yet. And to be clear, I am not a fan boy of Avatar, I am just looking at the numbers.

 

[NewlyRetired]

12. Someone is put in a trash compactor on the death star

13. Masked villain was once a jedi

14. Masked villain betrayed mentor and helped the bad guys destroy the jedi

15. Bad guys get rid of the senate

16. Masked villain talks like a robot

17. Jedi master is in hiding after emergence of new bad guys

18. R2D2 reveals key information at the end of the movie

There, that wasn't so hard.

When did that happen in TFA?

Han suggests that the Storm Trooper leader that took down the shield be put in one. They don't show whether that happens or not.

That was not a copy scene IMO, that was suppose to be a reference joke for people who understood what happened in 4.

 

[MattFancy]

12. Someone is put in a trash compactor on the death star

13. Masked villain was once a jedi

14. Masked villain betrayed mentor and helped the bad guys destroy the jedi

15. Bad guys get rid of the senate

16. Masked villain talks like a robot

17. Jedi master is in hiding after emergence of new bad guys

18. R2D2 reveals key information at the end of the movie

There, that wasn't so hard.

When did that happen in TFA?

Han suggests that the Storm Trooper leader that took down the shield be put in one. They don't show whether that happens or not.

That was not a copy scene IMO, that was suppose to be a reference joke for people who understood what happened in 4.

That's what I was thinking. There was a joke about it, but no one ever ended up in a trash compactor.

 

[Hang 10]

12. Someone is put in a trash compactor on the death star

13. Masked villain was once a jedi

14. Masked villain betrayed mentor and helped the bad guys destroy the jedi

15. Bad guys get rid of the senate

16. Masked villain talks like a robot

17. Jedi master is in hiding after emergence of new bad guys

18. R2D2 reveals key information at the end of the movie

There, that wasn't so hard.

When did that happen in TFA?

Han suggests that the Storm Trooper leader that took down the shield be put in one. They don't show whether that happens or not.

That was not a copy scene IMO, that was suppose to be a reference joke for people who understood what happened in 4.

Ok, I'll add one more then.

19. Hiding under of the floor of the millennium falcon.

 

[Hang 10]

12. Someone is put in a trash compactor on the death star

13. Masked villain was once a jedi

14. Masked villain betrayed mentor and helped the bad guys destroy the jedi

15. Bad guys get rid of the senate

16. Masked villain talks like a robot

17. Jedi master is in hiding after emergence of new bad guys

18. R2D2 reveals key information at the end of the movie

There, that wasn't so hard.

When did that happen in TFA?

Han suggests that the Storm Trooper leader that took down the shield be put in one. They don't show whether that happens or not.

That was not a copy scene IMO, that was suppose to be a reference joke for people who understood what happened in 4.

That's what I was thinking. There was a joke about it, but no one ever ended up in a trash compactor.

Are you saying that the chrome storm trooper didn't end up in the trash compactor? I know they didn't show it but it seemed strongly implied.

 

[MattFancy]

12. Someone is put in a trash compactor on the death star

13. Masked villain was once a jedi

14. Masked villain betrayed mentor and helped the bad guys destroy the jedi

15. Bad guys get rid of the senate

16. Masked villain talks like a robot

17. Jedi master is in hiding after emergence of new bad guys

18. R2D2 reveals key information at the end of the movie

There, that wasn't so hard.

When did that happen in TFA?

Han suggests that the Storm Trooper leader that took down the shield be put in one. They don't show whether that happens or not.

That was not a copy scene IMO, that was suppose to be a reference joke for people who understood what happened in 4.

That's what I was thinking. There was a joke about it, but no one ever ended up in a trash compactor.

Are you saying that the chrome storm trooper didn't end up in the trash compactor? I know they didn't show it but it seemed strongly implied.

No, I don't think that's where Phasma ended up

 

[Insein]

12. Someone is put in a trash compactor on the death star

13. Masked villain was once a jedi

14. Masked villain betrayed mentor and helped the bad guys destroy the jedi

15. Bad guys get rid of the senate

16. Masked villain talks like a robot

17. Jedi master is in hiding after emergence of new bad guys

18. R2D2 reveals key information at the end of the movie

There, that wasn't so hard.

When did that happen in TFA?

Han suggests that the Storm Trooper leader that took down the shield be put in one. They don't show whether that happens or not.That was not a copy scene IMO, that was suppose to be a reference joke for people who understood what happened in 4.

That's what I was thinking. There was a joke about it, but no one ever ended up in a trash compactor.

Are you saying that the chrome storm trooper didn't end up in the trash compactor? I know they didn't show it but it seemed strongly implied.

She is in the next movie. So no. She's a very valuable toy.

 

[Capella]

12. Someone is put in a trash compactor on the death star

13. Masked villain was once a jedi

14. Masked villain betrayed mentor and helped the bad guys destroy the jedi

15. Bad guys get rid of the senate

16. Masked villain talks like a robot

17. Jedi master is in hiding after emergence of new bad guys

18. R2D2 reveals key information at the end of the movie

There, that wasn't so hard.

There are also skywalkers in this movie you forgot that

 

[NewlyRetired]

13. Masked villain was once a jedi

14. Masked villain betrayed mentor and helped the bad guys destroy the jedi

Do we know if Ben was a Jedi already or just training? I got the sense in the movie that he was just training with Luke but the novel maybe says more about this.

Anikan betrays Obi in 3, not 4, and from Anikans perspective, Obi betrayed him. The Jedi are then mostly destroyed as part of order 66 in 3 and continually hunted between 3 and 4.

 

[Hang 10]

12. Someone is put in a trash compactor on the death star

13. Masked villain was once a jedi

14. Masked villain betrayed mentor and helped the bad guys destroy the jedi

15. Bad guys get rid of the senate

16. Masked villain talks like a robot

17. Jedi master is in hiding after emergence of new bad guys

18. R2D2 reveals key information at the end of the movie

There, that wasn't so hard.

There are also skywalkers in this movie you forgot that

That's true and we'll probably get the shocking reveal of who's Rey's daddy in the next episode.

 

[NewlyRetired]

12. Someone is put in a trash compactor on the death star

13. Masked villain was once a jedi

14. Masked villain betrayed mentor and helped the bad guys destroy the jedi

15. Bad guys get rid of the senate

16. Masked villain talks like a robot

17. Jedi master is in hiding after emergence of new bad guys

18. R2D2 reveals key information at the end of the movie

There, that wasn't so hard.

There are also skywalkers in this movie you forgot that

That's true and we'll probably get the shocking reveal of who's Rey's daddy in the next episode.

Is it safe to assume you won't spend money on 8 since 7 disappointed you so much?

 

[Hang 10]

13. Masked villain was once a jedi

14. Masked villain betrayed mentor and helped the bad guys destroy the jedi

Do we know if Ben was a Jedi already or just training? I got the sense in the movie that he was just training with Luke but the novel maybe says more about this.

Anikan betrays Obi in 3, not 4, and from Anikans perspective, Obi betrayed him. The Jedi are then mostly destroyed as part of order 66 in 3 and continually hunted between 3 and 4.

The betrayal is talked about in episode 4 and not seen, just like Ben's betrayal of Luke and the jedi.

 

[Hang 10]

12. Someone is put in a trash compactor on the death star

13. Masked villain was once a jedi

14. Masked villain betrayed mentor and helped the bad guys destroy the jedi

15. Bad guys get rid of the senate

16. Masked villain talks like a robot

17. Jedi master is in hiding after emergence of new bad guys

18. R2D2 reveals key information at the end of the movie

There, that wasn't so hard.

There are also skywalkers in this movie you forgot that

That's true and we'll probably get the shocking reveal of who's Rey's daddy in the next episode.

Is it safe to assume you won't spend money on 8 since 7 disappointed you so much?

Yes.

 

[bcdjr1]

You forgot that there was a female protagonist taken prisoner by the bad guys and held in the base/superweapon, and the other protagonists have to then go rescue her.