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STAR WARS: EP 7 ***SPOILER ZONE*** - Go here if you've seen it (2 Viewers)

Where does one draw the lines at the mind control powers? I mean, sure, the good guys don't abuse it, but what about those channeling the dark side? Have there been users who use convince others to hand over large sums of money? Take advantage of women? Just live as a high powered mobster serving only themselves and their self built criminal empire? Surely not every force sensitive person serves in a government or rebellion capacity. Do they have sports in the SW universe? Seems it'd be easy to be the best player ever. Jedi rock stars?

 
ScottNorwood said:
Would you guys freak out if I said I thought Star Trek: First Contact was better than ALL the Star Wars movies?
It's the best Star Trek movie. I'd rate it higher than all but 4&5.

 
ScottNorwood said:
Would you guys freak out if I said I thought Star Trek: First Contact was better than ALL the Star Wars movies?
I won't, but we have a lot of defensive Star Wars fans in here.

 
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I thought it was beyond awful, truly terrible. No original ideas just recycled and stale. Throw in some terrible acting and this was actually the worst one yet.

I dont think I will see another Star Wars movie again.

 
From JJ:

I can understand that someone might say, 'Oh, it's a complete rip-off!'" he admits, adding, "What was important for me was introducing brand new characters using relationships that were embracing the history that we know to tell a story that is new to go backwards to go forwards."
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=129738#.VpGrStVpW2Q.facebook.
Wtf did he just say?
He said he ripped off Star Wars.

 
If you want to argue if the original Star Trek series is better than Star Wars then I'll agree. But none of the Star Trek movies come close to A New Hope.

 
Where does one draw the lines at the mind control powers? I mean, sure, the good guys don't abuse it, but what about those channeling the dark side? Have there been users who use convince others to hand over large sums of money?
Death Star construction doesn't come cheap

 
It was a good movie but anyone trying to argue that it wasn't immensely similar to the OT is just schticking. It's not like they were trying to make anyway think differently, the movie even makes fun of itself for doing so.
My wife doesn't even know what "shticking" is, so no, I doubt that.
I honestly have no idea how someone could watch the OT and TFA and not see the vast similarities.

Our hero, who happens to be a very good pilot, lives on a barren desert planet, unaware of his/her connection to the force. He/she comes across a droid who's carrying a valuable piece of information that they need to deliver to the right person so that person can get it to the resistance/rebellion that they are apart of. Their means of transportation to said resistance/rebellion is the Millenium Falcon.

The bad guys, represented foremost to us via a force wielding villain dressed all in black with a voice modulating helmet, use a giant spherical weapon to blow up a planet(s). That force wielding villain kills the older mentor-like figure who was a key part of the previous trilogy as our hero watches. An X-wing makes a trench run to shoot the giant planet killing object's weak spot and blow it up.

Which movie am I talking about?
Plenty of other stuff happened as well, which you left out, and most people aren't obsessing over tiny details like which mode of transportation moved people around like some nerd internet sociopath. :shrug:
this.
 
From JJ:

I can understand that someone might say, 'Oh, it's a complete rip-off!'" he admits, adding, "What was important for me was introducing brand new characters using relationships that were embracing the history that we know to tell a story that is new to go backwards to go forwards."
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=129738#.VpGrStVpW2Q.facebook.
Wtf did he just say?
Back to the future, man. Maybe we'll see Doc Brown is Ep8?

 
If you want to argue if the original Star Trek series is better than Star Wars then I'll agree. But none of the Star Trek movies come close to A New Hope.
Meh. Wrath of Khan was better than ANH.....and is right there with Empire in regards to cliffhangers.

 
From JJ:

I can understand that someone might say, 'Oh, it's a complete rip-off!'" he admits, adding, "What was important for me was introducing brand new characters using relationships that were embracing the history that we know to tell a story that is new to go backwards to go forwards."
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=129738#.VpGrStVpW2Q.facebook.
Wtf did he just say?
Exactly

 
Watching 4 last night, it really isn't anything like 7 at all. People are just seeing what they want to see IMO.
jj Abrams himself admitted it was
:yes:

I remember during the first viewing the hiding of the map in BB-8 and pretty much :rolleyes:

Saying that, there were enough differences, and the movie was so well done and entertaining from start to finish that for the first time since Titanic I paid to see a movie a 2nd time in the theater. :thumbup:

 
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Watching 4 last night, it really isn't anything like 7 at all. People are just seeing what they want to see IMO.
jj Abrams himself admitted it was
:yes: I remember during the first viewing the hiding of the map in BB-8 and pretty much :rolleyes:

Saying that, there were enough differences, and the movie was so well done and entertaining from start to finish that for the first time since Titanic I paid to see a movie a 2nd time in the theater. :thumbup:
yeah without knowing how anyone felt about the movie the first thing I posted in this thread was I enjoyed it quite a bit but it reminded me so much of 4
 
I thought it was beyond awful, truly terrible. No original ideas just recycled and stale. Throw in some terrible acting and this was actually the worst one yet.

I dont think I will see another Star Wars movie again.
No, I tried to watch Episode I again. The first 5 or 10 min is pretty good.... then JarJar shows up and it's truly terrible. Also, the CGI is REALLY bad in some parts. It really looks unfinished... like when that Wolverine movie leaked before the CGI was complete and his claws and some other stuff were undone.

Darth Maul wasn't even as cool as I remember him. Might even give the nod to Kylo there :/

 
Would you guys freak out if I said I thought Star Trek: First Contact was better than ALL the Star Wars movies?
It's the best Star Trek movie. I'd rate it higher than all but 4&5.
First Contact is overrated and actually kind of dumb.

Its good part is that it actually has a serious side but the camp factor with Zefram Cochran brings it right back down.

Worse, it changes the entire mythology of the Borg. A collective has a queen? :yucky:

 
Would you guys freak out if I said I thought Star Trek: First Contact was better than ALL the Star Wars movies?
It's the best Star Trek movie. I'd rate it higher than all but 4&5.
First Contact is overrated and actually kind of dumb.

Its good part is that it actually has a serious side but the camp factor with Zefram Cochran brings it right back down.

Worse, it changes the entire mythology of the Borg. A collective has a queen? :yucky:
To be fair, it wasn't like the Borg was a timeless enemy with a steeped tradition....there was wiggle room to give them more depth.

 
Would you guys freak out if I said I thought Star Trek: First Contact was better than ALL the Star Wars movies?
It's the best Star Trek movie. I'd rate it higher than all but 4&5.
First Contact is overrated and actually kind of dumb.

Its good part is that it actually has a serious side but the camp factor with Zefram Cochran brings it right back down.

Worse, it changes the entire mythology of the Borg. A collective has a queen? :yucky:
To be fair, it wasn't like the Borg was a timeless enemy with a steeped tradition....there was wiggle room to give them more depth.
Think so? I think they were far and away the best villains in TNG.

 
Would you guys freak out if I said I thought Star Trek: First Contact was better than ALL the Star Wars movies?
It's the best Star Trek movie. I'd rate it higher than all but 4&5.
First Contact is overrated and actually kind of dumb.

Its good part is that it actually has a serious side but the camp factor with Zefram Cochran brings it right back down.

Worse, it changes the entire mythology of the Borg. A collective has a queen? :yucky:
To be fair, it wasn't like the Borg was a timeless enemy with a steeped tradition....there was wiggle room to give them more depth.
Think so? I think they were far and away the best villains in TNG.
I think they were as well. But what....they appeared 5 or 6 times before First Contact came out? It wasn't like they were around since The Original Series and were completely locked into their backstory/character ideology. IIRC, there were even several instances where there were Borg individuals, so I don't think it was a stretch to add a level of heirarchy.

 
Would you guys freak out if I said I thought Star Trek: First Contact was better than ALL the Star Wars movies?
It's the best Star Trek movie. I'd rate it higher than all but 4&5.
First Contact is overrated and actually kind of dumb.

Its good part is that it actually has a serious side but the camp factor with Zefram Cochran brings it right back down.

Worse, it changes the entire mythology of the Borg. A collective has a queen? :yucky:
To be fair, it wasn't like the Borg was a timeless enemy with a steeped tradition....there was wiggle room to give them more depth.
Think so? I think they were far and away the best villains in TNG.
I think they were as well. But what....they appeared 5 or 6 times before First Contact came out? It wasn't like they were around since The Original Series and were completely locked into their backstory/character ideology. IIRC, there were even several instances where there were Borg individuals, so I don't think it was a stretch to add a level of heirarchy.
When Picard was assimilated he had some level of individuality.

 
Who the hell was the giant supreme leader guy?? I'm really hoping they do a good job explaining why Kylo went to the dark side. Didn't Vader turn "good" at the end of RoJ? It's been awhile, so I'm not 100% sure. But in TFA Kylo says something about showing him the power of the dark side grandfather when looking at Vader's busted mask. Curious how that transition is going to play out.
It doesn't make sense for him to worship his grandfather. Anakin shows up at the end of Jedi as a ghost so once he saw Kylo admiring Darth Vader he would have appeared to him and say "Uh, in case no one told you before, I turned back to the good side and I'm the one who brought down the Empire."
Yah, that was my thought as well. Why is he asking Vader to "show him the power of the darkside" when Vader himself rejected it at the end. Just didn't make sense and was hoping someone with better StarWars knowledge could explain it to me.
It's possible that Ben Solo never saw Return of the Jedi.

 
There are rumours of a one-off Obi Wan movie set between Episodes 3 and 4 Revenge Of The Sith and A New Hope.
I'd love to see that, starring Ewan MacGregor. It could cement Obi Wan as the greatest Jedi ever, and as long as he's not older than Alec Guinness was in 4 when they film it, the timing will work. :thumbup:
What? Obi Wan was definitely one of the most incompetent Jedi ever.

 
I saw it again. Random thoughts:

- Fin and Rey's ability to fight with Kylo didn't stand out as much the second time. They were both mostly backing up from Kylo the whole time, Rey kinda started kicking his ### after that moment/epiphany/whatever. Fin was mostly getting toyed with until he took a piece out of Kylo's shoulder, then he was cut down pretty quickly. Also, I forgot before that that was Fin's second time using a lightsaber, the first time being against the random stormtrooper who called him a traitor. From that fight, we can probably assume that Fin had some raining with a vibroblade or whatever that thing was, so maybe he's not a total novice.

- I don't know what to make of the Rey/Leia hug at the end of the movie. I may be mistaken, but up to that point, they had never met each other. It was a very affectionate hug for two strangers, even taking into consideration that Leia was mourning and knew that Rey was with Han when he died or whatever. So, I think there's something there, but I don't know what. I don't think she's a Solo, Han definitely didn't give any hint that he knew her or anything. Plus, why would a daughter of the Solos be ditched on a crap planet to basically be an indentured servant. Surely there are better places to hide someone if that is the intent.

- I didn't pick this up the first time around, but there's a line in there about how the First Order found the resistance base, something like "We tracked their reconnaissance aircraft" or something. That is really dumb, lazy writing, and it bothered me. Especially since Kylo had already shown that he was able to break into Poe's mind when he found out what Poe had done with the map to Skywalker. He didn't think to maybe ask him where the Resistance base was at that time?

- I don't think Rey has received prior training. She was clearly 4 or 5 years old when she was ditched on Daaku. I don't think they teach kids how to mind control, and even if she had received some lightsaber training, training at that age would not sufficient explain her ability to compete with Kylo anyways. I think we're just going to find out that she's a natural, and super powerful. Also, Kylo himself tells Snoke that she is "untrained" when he tells Snoke about her.

- Poe Dameron is the best character added to the Star Wars universe since V. Yes, better than Darth Maul.

- R2D2 waking up continues to be kinda dumb.

- Oh and there is strong suggestion that Rey is a Skywalker, even though I'd hate that personally. Maz says something like "That lightsaber was Luke Skywalker's, and before him, his father's. And now it calls to you."

 
Did anybody suggest in this monsterous thread that perhaps Rey heard the stories of the jedi's. They were like mythical beings and perhaps part of that myth is they can control people's minds so she just tried it. So she got the idea from the legends of the jedis.

 
There are rumours of a one-off Obi Wan movie set between Episodes 3 and 4 Revenge Of The Sith and A New Hope.
I'd love to see that, starring Ewan MacGregor. It could cement Obi Wan as the greatest Jedi ever, and as long as he's not older than Alec Guinness was in 4 when they film it, the timing will work. :thumbup:
What? Obi Wan was definitely one of the most incompetent Jedi ever.
Obi Wan is a badass mofo.

 
I saw it again. Random thoughts:

- Fin and Rey's ability to fight with Kylo didn't stand out as much the second time. They were both mostly backing up from Kylo the whole time, Rey kinda started kicking his ### after that moment/epiphany/whatever. Fin was mostly getting toyed with until he took a piece out of Kylo's shoulder, then he was cut down pretty quickly. Also, I forgot before that that was Fin's second time using a lightsaber, the first time being against the random stormtrooper who called him a traitor. From that fight, we can probably assume that Fin had some raining with a vibroblade or whatever that thing was, so maybe he's not a total novice.

- I don't know what to make of the Rey/Leia hug at the end of the movie. I may be mistaken, but up to that point, they had never met each other. It was a very affectionate hug for two strangers, even taking into consideration that Leia was mourning and knew that Rey was with Han when he died or whatever. So, I think there's something there, but I don't know what. I don't think she's a Solo, Han definitely didn't give any hint that he knew her or anything. Plus, why would a daughter of the Solos be ditched on a crap planet to basically be an indentured servant. Surely there are better places to hide someone if that is the intent.

- I didn't pick this up the first time around, but there's a line in there about how the First Order found the resistance base, something like "We tracked their reconnaissance aircraft" or something. That is really dumb, lazy writing, and it bothered me. Especially since Kylo had already shown that he was able to break into Poe's mind when he found out what Poe had done with the map to Skywalker. He didn't think to maybe ask him where the Resistance base was at that time?

- I don't think Rey has received prior training. She was clearly 4 or 5 years old when she was ditched on Daaku. I don't think they teach kids how to mind control, and even if she had received some lightsaber training, training at that age would not sufficient explain her ability to compete with Kylo anyways. I think we're just going to find out that she's a natural, and super powerful. Also, Kylo himself tells Snoke that she is "untrained" when he tells Snoke about her.

- Poe Dameron is the best character added to the Star Wars universe since V. Yes, better than Darth Maul.

- R2D2 waking up continues to be kinda dumb.

- Oh and there is strong suggestion that Rey is a Skywalker, even though I'd hate that personally. Maz says something like "That lightsaber was Luke Skywalker's, and before him, his father's. And now it calls to you."
I can rationalize Leia's hug as them both being force sensitive and having an immediate connection. I think it's more likely that there were other scenes that got cut, but I'm fine with it.

As far as Rey's training, thinking back on 4, Obi Wan's training of Luke consists of like5 lines of dialog. Max repeats half that stuff to Rey. I think maybe all the training of Jefi is more about controlling your feelings rather than actual development of powers.

 
There are rumours of a one-off Obi Wan movie set between Episodes 3 and 4 Revenge Of The Sith and A New Hope.
I'd love to see that, starring Ewan MacGregor. It could cement Obi Wan as the greatest Jedi ever, and as long as he's not older than Alec Guinness was in 4 when they film it, the timing will work. :thumbup:
What? Obi Wan was definitely one of the most incompetent Jedi ever.
Obiwan is a complete badass. The Clone Wars series did him a better justice. It's basically Yoda, then him.

 
Did anybody suggest in this monsterous thread that perhaps Rey heard the stories of the jedi's. They were like mythical beings and perhaps part of that myth is they can control people's minds so she just tried it. So she got the idea from the legends of the jedis.
It has been suggested yes.

 
Just got back from Imax 3D. The 3D didn't add much and is skippable, IMO.

I disliked it less the second time, but the stuff I disliked...I still dislike. Carrie Fisher was still terrible.

And the Falcon did the Kessel run in LESS than 12 parsecs. Not fourteen. Not twelve. LESS than twelve.

What was interesting is how they definitely show Rey channeling both light and dark side talents. For example, she couldn't mind control the trooper when she commanded him (dark side) but she could when she calmed down and suggested it (light side). I'm not sure what to make of her calming down and then getting angry in her battle with Kylo.

And I think Captain Phasma is the Resistance's source within the First Order. She sniffed out Finn in the hangar but let him loose - saying later he'd been reassigned for more brainwashing (or whatever they called it) but he was running around directly after.

Oh, and speaking of Star Trek...they showed a preview of the upcoming one and I saw about a half dozen things that I didn't like about it from the trailer alone. You can "add" someone to your transporter signal just by touching them? And we're destroying the Enterprise...AGAIN?! Puuuhhhhleeeezzze. :rolleyes:

 
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Just got back from Imax 3D. The 3D didn't add much and is skippable, IMO.

I disliked it less the second time, but the stuff I disliked...I still dislike. Carrie Fisher was still terrible.

And the Falcon did the Kessel run in LESS than 12 parsecs. Not fourteen. Not twelve. LESS than twelve.

What was interesting is how they definitely show Rey channeling both light and dark side talents. For example, she couldn't mind control the trooper when she commanded him (dark side) but she could when she calmed down and suggested it (light side). I'm not sure what to make of her calming down and then getting angry in her battle with Kylo.

And I think Captain Phasma is the Resistance's source within the First Order. She sniffed out Finn in the hangar but let him loose - saying later he'd been reassigned for more brainwashing (or whatever they called it) but he was running around directly after.

Oh, and speaking of Star Trek...they showed a preview of the upcoming one and I saw about a half dozen things that I didn't like about it from the trailer alone. You can "add" someone to your transporter signal just by touching them? And we're destroying the Enterprise...AGAIN?! Puuuhhhhleeeezzze. :rolleyes:
Plus they already did Sabotage. I'm sure I'll still go see it.

 
Usually when I don't like a movie, I make it a point to see if in the theater for a 2nd time. USUALLY. Not always though.
I guess they like the movie but have some obvious criticisms of where it could have been better. Usually when a movie is good people can like it but not have 100% praise for it. Usually but not always.

 
Usually when I don't like a movie, I make it a point to see if in the theater for a 2nd time. USUALLY. Not always though.
Usually a movie isn't part of a franchise you grew up with and contributed to a large part of your ethos. Usually.I repeat watch movies I didn't like the first time quite often. SOMETIMES I even, you know, change my mind. Sometimes.

 
Usually when I don't like a movie, I make it a point to see if in the theater for a 2nd time. USUALLY. Not always though.
Usually a movie isn't part of a franchise you grew up with and contributed to a large part of your ethos. Usually.I repeat watch movies I didn't like the first time quite often. SOMETIMES I even, you know, change my mind. Sometimes.
Did you see I, II, or III a second time in the theater??

I did not.. I knew when I left those that although they were "OK".. They didn't have the "Star Wars" feel to them and I had no need to see them again in the theater..

Like I mentioned before, up until this release the last time I returned to watch a movie in the theater was Titanic.

This release was well worth the time and money to return and see it again in the theater. :thumbup:

 
Usually when I don't like a movie, I make it a point to see if in the theater for a 2nd time. USUALLY. Not always though.
Usually a movie isn't part of a franchise you grew up with and contributed to a large part of your ethos. Usually.
That's interesting and somewhat scary to think that Star Wars defines our culture, beliefs, customs, etc. Probably true.

I repeat watch movies I didn't like the first time quite often. SOMETIMES I even, you know, change my mind. Sometimes.
:shock:

 

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