STAR WARS: EP 7 ***SPOILER ZONE*** - Go here if you've seen it (1 Viewer)

[Insein]

Some nits to pick

Why would Finn be clean shaven and have a decent hair cut? He was enslaved as a child and got yelled at for taking off his helmet on their own ship. He should have looked like Galifianakis.

Also does this mean there are storm trooper barbers?

And the map to Skywalker. What the ####. So he was just standing there in that same island for years with his hood over his face waiting for someone to show up and then when they do he doesn't even turn around?

Also, he looked like Galifianakis.

Why did Ren fight fair with Finn when he was mowing people down with the force? Or with Ray?

Also, explain this conversation. I'm a storm trooper. But I quit. OK, I have the Droid with the secret map to Skywalker.

And again, the map that was supposed to just be a partial map - the part in the Droid was basically the only part that mattered, right? The rest was like a huge map of everything with a dotted line that didn't go to anything at all?

Also what happened to the rebellion? They took over the Republic from the emperor. So wouldn't the storm troopers work for the rebellion led empire now? Why were they on the other side again?

But mostly the haircut thing is really bothering me.

You basically covered the last 60 pages or so. Except the haircut. That ones new ground. We could probably add another 5 or 6 pages of analysis on that.

 

[dparker713]

OK, Star Wars nerds, explain to me why the map to Luke needed a dashed line on it. Wouldn't it be enough just to highlight the planet? All they'd have to do is punch in the coordinates and fly straight to it, right?

Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star, or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it.

 

[bostonfred]

OK, Star Wars nerds, explain to me why the map to Luke needed a dashed line on it. Wouldn't it be enough just to highlight the planet? All they'd have to do is punch in the coordinates and fly straight to it, right?

It needed an x like a pirate map.

 

[snogger]

OK, Star Wars nerds, explain to me why the map to Luke needed a dashed line on it. Wouldn't it be enough just to highlight the planet? All they'd have to do is punch in the coordinates and fly straight to it, right?

Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star, or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

OK, Star Wars nerds, explain to me why the map to Luke needed a dashed line on it. Wouldn't it be enough just to highlight the planet? All they'd have to do is punch in the coordinates and fly straight to it, right?

Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star, or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it.

It's like some people have never heard of a gravity well.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Crossed the billion mark internationally over the weekend (just the fifth film ever). Closing in on $2 billion.

 

[FUBAR]

OK, Star Wars nerds, explain to me why the map to Luke needed a dashed line on it. Wouldn't it be enough just to highlight the planet? All they'd have to do is punch in the coordinates and fly straight to it, right?

Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star, or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it.

It's like some people have never heard of a gravity well.

does google maps have that setting? Like traffic?

 

[bcdjr1]

...One of the greatest reveals in all of film. I Am Your Father! That was the haymaker that knocked the audience down and left them staggering....

I know this is highly contested now and memories can be fuzzy, but I'm on the side that this was at the very least highly speculated before the film was actually released. Granted there were lots of rumors and speculation and I could simply be remembering the one of a dozens that was correct, but I remember it differently. I also don't actually remember how soon after release I saw the film (it came out at the end of the school year about a month getting my driver's license and three weeks before my first ever paycheck) , but for me at least I went in to the theater looking for this scene.

http://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/66661/exactly-how-secret-was-the-reveal-in-the-empire-strikes-back

Besides the issue of how many people in the film's production knew, it's worth noting that the novelization came out on April 12, 1980--more than a month before the film's release on May 21.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

OK, Star Wars nerds, explain to me why the map to Luke needed a dashed line on it. Wouldn't it be enough just to highlight the planet? All they'd have to do is punch in the coordinates and fly straight to it, right?

Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star, or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it.

It's like some people have never heard of a gravity well.

does google maps have that setting? Like traffic?

It's a check box. "Show restaurants, points of interest, and gravity wells along my route."

 

[bcdjr1]

I would speculate that the (part of the) map that BB-8 had was like a treasure map. It gave the location of the planet that (and probably island) that Luke was on, but with no context. When you're looking at a small section of a map with no landmarks or scale, it can be very difficult to figure out where that is. R2-D2 had the context for them map. Once BB-8's part was plugged into R2's, it made sense.

It doesn't explain why they didn't just give coordinates for the planet, because that would preclude the need for a context map. Unless the map is showing the journey Luke went on (or was planning on going on) while searching for the Jedi temple, and that they had to cross reference the path with the date to figure out where he was at that time.

 

[VA703]

okay so who is snoke

darth vader?

 

[VA703]

also

im assuming han solo isn't dead. just like when Gandalf fell from the bridge in LOTR 1

 

[belljr]

OK, Star Wars nerds, explain to me why the map to Luke needed a dashed line on it. Wouldn't it be enough just to highlight the planet? All they'd have to do is punch in the coordinates and fly straight to it, right?

Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star, or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it.

It's like some people have never heard of a gravity well.

does google maps have that setting? Like traffic?

It's a check box. "Show restaurants, points of interest, and gravity wells along my route."

 

[Capella]

also

im assuming han solo isn't dead. just like when Gandalf fell from the bridge in LOTR 1

He got stabbed with a light saber, fell into an infinite hole, then the planet exploded.

 

[bostonfred]

also

im assuming han solo isn't dead. just like when Gandalf fell from the bridge in LOTR 1

He got stabbed with a light saber, fell into an infinite hole, then the planet exploded.

Nothing can kill you during a Balrog fight.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

also

im assuming han solo isn't dead. just like when Gandalf fell from the bridge in LOTR 1

He got stabbed with a light saber, fell into an infinite hole, then the planet exploded.

So you're saying...There's a chance?

 

[bostonfred]

Han the white

 

[VA703]

also

im assuming han solo isn't dead. just like when Gandalf fell from the bridge in LOTR 1

He got stabbed with a light saber, fell into an infinite hole, then the planet exploded.

doesn't matter hes han ####### solo

he probably fell into a x wing that was conveniently waiting there piloted by ewok wicket

 

[VA703]

Han the white

that's what im thinking

hes going to return like obi Kenobi

wizard hat and robe

 

[NewlyRetired]

okay so who is snoke

darth vader?

Most think he is Darth Plaguies.

The biggest clue is the music Williams chose for Snoke's scenes. It is identical to the music used when Palpatine tells the story of Plaguies to Anikan in 3.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Hey guys, just caught this one over the weekend. 64 pages seems overwhelming: can someone sum up for me why it wasn't nearly as great and fun as I thought it was and I'm a fool for enjoying it so much? TIA.

 

[VA703]

okay so who is snoke

darth vader?

Most think he is Darth Plaguies.

The biggest clue is the music Williams chose for Snoke's scenes. It is identical to the music used when Palpatine tells the story of Plaguies to Anikan in 3.

it does look like him

don't think ive ever seen that guy before though. guess ill need to rewatch 3

 

[NewlyRetired]

okay so who is snoke

darth vader?

Most think he is Darth Plaguies.

The biggest clue is the music Williams chose for Snoke's scenes. It is identical to the music used when Palpatine tells the story of Plaguies to Anikan in 3.

it does look like himdon't think ive ever seen that guy before though. guess ill need to rewatch 3

He is not shown in 3. Here is the scene in question from 3.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=05dT34hGRdg

 

[FUBAR]

also

im assuming han solo isn't dead. just like when Gandalf fell from the bridge in LOTR 1

He got stabbed with a light saber, fell into an infinite hole, then the planet exploded.

how is there an infinite hole in a planet?

also, infinite hole sounds like a whore.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

OK, Star Wars nerds, explain to me why the map to Luke needed a dashed line on it. Wouldn't it be enough just to highlight the planet? All they'd have to do is punch in the coordinates and fly straight to it, right?

Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star, or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it.

It's like some people have never heard of a gravity well.

does google maps have that setting? Like traffic?

It's a check box. "Show restaurants, points of interest, and gravity wells along my route."

It's a long time ago. There is no google maps yet you fools.

 

[beer 30]

Crossed the billion mark internationally over the weekend (just the fifth film ever). Closing in on $2 billion.

Closing in? After just crossing the billion mark? Might help

 

[FreeBaGeL]

okay so who is snoke

darth vader?

Most think he is Darth Plaguies.

The biggest clue is the music Williams chose for Snoke's scenes. It is identical to the music used when Palpatine tells the story of Plaguies to Anikan in 3.

I watched the prequels again last weekend on my journey to watch all 7 in episode order. In Ep1 Anakin's mother tells Qui Gon that Anakin has no father (yea right that lying skank). In Ep3 Palpatine explains to Anakin that Darth Plagueis learned to create life from Midichlorians. Is the implication there that Darth Plagueis created Anakin?

 

[NewlyRetired]

Crossed the billion mark internationally over the weekend (just the fifth film ever). Closing in on $2 billion.

Closing in? After just crossing the billion mark? Might help

you probably should not laugh at some one when you read their post wrong.

Crossed 1 billion internationally. when combined with domestic numbers they are very close to 2 billion.

 

[NewlyRetired]

okay so who is snoke

darth vader?

Most think he is Darth Plaguies.

The biggest clue is the music Williams chose for Snoke's scenes. It is identical to the music used when Palpatine tells the story of Plaguies to Anikan in 3.

I watched the prequels again last weekend on my journey to watch all 7 in episode order. In Ep1 Anakin's mother tells Qui Gon that Anakin has no father (yea right that lying skank). In Ep3 Palpatine explains to Anakin that Darth Plagueis learned to create life from Midichlorians. Is the implication there that Darth Plagueis created Anakin?

that was always my perception. Watch how Palpatine looks at Anakin when he says "created life"

 

[GregR]

Finally saw 7. Nice homage to the original movies, felt much more like star wars than 1 through 3 ever did. Never really cared that much about the new characters but didn't mind because there were so many old characters. I'm back in. And that's what this movie did well.

Huh. So you think a movie about a droid carrying information vital to the rebellion, crash landing on a desert plant and randomly found by someone powerful but untrained in the Force, evading storm troopers while pursued by a black-mask-wearing wielder of the dark side of the Force who kills the mentor-figure and has a Death Star capable of destroying planets until it is destroyed by X-wing fighters flown by the resistance... felt more like Star Wars?

I'm not really seeing it. Good movie though.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

It's a long time ago. There is no google maps yet you fools.

In a galaxy far away...that presumably had advanced technology.You know, like wire frame targeting systems and plug in interfaces.

 

[Insein]

It's a long time ago. There is no google maps yet you fools.

In a galaxy far away...that presumably had advanced technology.You know, like wire frame targeting systems and plug in interfaces.

And a loose communication system that can sometimes work interplanetary and other times can't.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

It's a long time ago. There is no google maps yet you fools.

In a galaxy far away...that presumably had advanced technology.You know, like wire frame targeting systems and plug in interfaces.

And a loose communication system that can sometimes work interplanetary and other times can't.

Oh. You mean like Sprint?

 

[Insein]

It's a long time ago. There is no google maps yet you fools.

In a galaxy far away...that presumably had advanced technology.You know, like wire frame targeting systems and plug in interfaces.

And a loose communication system that can sometimes work interplanetary and other times can't.

Oh. You mean like Sprint?

A little less reliable though. Like if Leia could have just sent a data file to Alderaan, it would have saved a lot of time and trouble.

 

[Joe Summer]

okay so who is snoke

darth vader?

Snoke is not a living being, but rather a sentient combination of midichlorians from dead members of the Dark Side of the force (Palpatine, Dooku, Darth Maul, etc.). Good Jedis become Force Ghosts, bad Jedis become Snoke.Or maybe I'm just talking out of my butt.

 

[Todem]

Saw it for the 3rd and last time on the silver screen.

Glorious. 3rd favorite film behind IV and V. It has surpassed Return of the Jedi in my book.

Love it.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

You would think that Stormtroopers have some sort of fairly rigid hygiene standards that they need to adhere to. You can't have gigantic beards and/or ponytails sticking out of the bottom of their helmets, especially considering that Intergalatic Rules allow you to pull someone down by their hair and it's considered part of the uniform.

 

[LAUNCH]

...One of the greatest reveals in all of film. I Am Your Father! That was the haymaker that knocked the audience down and left them staggering....

I know this is highly contested now and memories can be fuzzy, but I'm on the side that this was at the very least highly speculated before the film was actually released. Granted there were lots of rumors and speculation and I could simply be remembering the one of a dozens that was correct, but I remember it differently. I also don't actually remember how soon after release I saw the film (it came out at the end of the school year about a month getting my driver's license and three weeks before my first ever paycheck) , but for me at least I went in to the theater looking for this scene.

• “The Millennium Falcon falls into a black hole—with Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie and Darth Vader aboard—and travels through time.”

I wonder if JJ saw this before Star Trek and used it to "honor" ESB rumors.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

You would think that Stormtroopers have some sort of fairly rigid hygiene standards that they need to adhere to. You can't have gigantic beards and/or ponytails sticking out of the bottom of their helmets, especially considering that Intergalatic Rules allow you to pull someone down by their hair and it's considered part of the uniform.

Empire is the Yankees and rebellion is the Red Sox.

 

[AnonymousBob]

I finally saw it last night and don't really understand most of the questions you folks had. Except Andy had a great point earlier with Leia belonging to the resistance. They did a terrible job of explaining within the confines of the movie why the rebels wouldn't have been in charge and why there would have been a need to create a resistance. Terrible work not explaining it within the confines of the movie. Especially when it could have been easily explained.

Also...R2 had been sitting there all these years with the data and no techies thought hey, let's crack this droid open and take the data? Why would Luke have left a map to his location and then make it so only he could activate said information? How did that last missing bit of information get loose in the first place? How is it Luke was unable to sense what was going on with the force or at least his probable daughter?

 

[St. Louis Bob]

You probably saw this already. Kinda funny.

Star Wars Undercover Boss: Starkiller Base - SNLhttps://youtu.be/FaOSCASqLsE

 

[dparker713]

also

im assuming han solo isn't dead. just like when Gandalf fell from the bridge in LOTR 1

He got stabbed with a light saber, fell into an infinite hole, then the planet exploded.

So you're saying...There's a chance?

not if Ford asks for anywhere near as much money

 

[VA703]

I finally saw it last night and don't really understand most of the questions you folks had. Except Andy had a great point earlier with Leia belonging to the resistance. They did a terrible job of explaining within the confines of the movie why the rebels wouldn't have been in charge and why there would have been a need to create a resistance. Terrible work not explaining it within the confines of the movie. Especially when it could have been easily explained.

Also...R2 had been sitting there all these years with the data and no techies thought hey, let's crack this droid open and take the data? Why would Luke have left a map to his location and then make it so only he could activate said information? How did that last missing bit of information get loose in the first place? How is it Luke was unable to sense what was going on with the force or at least his probable daughter?

luke felt a disturbance in the force (han dying supposedly)

so he reactivated r2d2

you think he looked surprised when that chick was on his island?

he was waiting for her

cmon

 

[dparker713]

Hey guys, just caught this one over the weekend. 64 pages seems overwhelming: can someone sum up for me why it wasn't nearly as great and fun as I thought it was and I'm a fool for enjoying it so much? TIA.

Mostly nerd nitpicking. Plus the movie is obviously derivative and Han's death is telegraphed. Some feel the relationship of the First Order, Resistence, and the Republic should be explained better. Rey gets too powerful too quickly. Kylo is too emo. And Carrie Fisher can't act her way out of a paper bag.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Carrie Fisher couldn't open her mouth enough to CHEW through a paper bag.

 

[bcdjr1]

It's a long time ago. There is no google maps yet you fools.

In a galaxy far away...that presumably had advanced technology.You know, like wire frame targeting systems and plug in interfaces.

And a loose communication system that can sometimes work interplanetary and other times can't.

Oh. You mean like Sprint?

A little less reliable though. Like if Leia could have just sent a data file to Alderaan, it would have saved a lot of time and trouble.

Except imagine that Sprint is completely controlled by the Empire and if Leia tried to send the Death Star plans to Alderaan, Sprint/the Empire would've just intercepted the transmission and then known Leia (who was still pretending to be just a Senator) was being treasonous, as well as her father and the Empire would've just snapped them up and it would've all been over.

 

[bostonfred]

Just finished reading the thread. How the #### are you guys watching this movie without getting mad about the first unhelmeted stormtrooper ever seen on screen having a perfect haircut? He wasn't allowed to take his helmet off. They're looking for some a Droid that has a map to a guy who never moves and there are innocent villagers to kill and sanitation to do and this one dude is in charge of all these things but he got a haircut and is cleanly shaven at all times even though he wasn't allowed to remove his helmet? Are you even kidding me?

 

[Insein]

It's a long time ago. There is no google maps yet you fools.

In a galaxy far away...that presumably had advanced technology.You know, like wire frame targeting systems and plug in interfaces.

And a loose communication system that can sometimes work interplanetary and other times can't.

Oh. You mean like Sprint?

A little less reliable though. Like if Leia could have just sent a data file to Alderaan, it would have saved a lot of time and trouble.

Except imagine that Sprint is completely controlled by the Empire and if Leia tried to send the Death Star plans to Alderaan, Sprint/the Empire would've just intercepted the transmission and then known Leia (who was still pretending to be just a Senator) was being treasonous, as well as her father and the Empire would've just snapped them up and it would've all been over.

No I get that angle too. The Spynet is one of the more fascinating realms of the old EU that got more fleshed out as the years went on. He shadow games of hiding data and sending secure messages were almost as entertaining as the battles. Real war time spy stuff.

 

[Insein]

Just finished reading the thread. How the #### are you guys watching this movie without getting mad about the first unhelmeted stormtrooper ever seen on screen having a perfect haircut? He wasn't allowed to take his helmet off. They're looking for some a Droid that has a map to a guy who never moves and there are innocent villagers to kill and sanitation to do and this one dude is in charge of all these things but he got a haircut and is cleanly shaven at all times even though he wasn't allowed to remove his helmet? Are you even kidding me?

If you read the companion novel, they fleshed this very scenario out in a little under 2 chapters. They could have gone into a bit more detail on Phasma's grooming procedures but they wanted to keep it young teen.

 

[AnonymousBob]

I finally saw it last night and don't really understand most of the questions you folks had. Except Andy had a great point earlier with Leia belonging to the resistance. They did a terrible job of explaining within the confines of the movie why the rebels wouldn't have been in charge and why there would have been a need to create a resistance. Terrible work not explaining it within the confines of the movie. Especially when it could have been easily explained.

Also...R2 had been sitting there all these years with the data and no techies thought hey, let's crack this droid open and take the data? Why would Luke have left a map to his location and then make it so only he could activate said information? How did that last missing bit of information get loose in the first place? How is it Luke was unable to sense what was going on with the force or at least his probable daughter?

luke felt a disturbance in the force (han dying supposedly)

so he reactivated r2d2

you think he looked surprised when that chick was on his island?

he was waiting for her

cmon

He never felt anything else happening in the force during his hiatus? Didn't feel his daughter growing stronger? His nephew becoming increasingly evil? But fine.

Why would he have a map to his own coordinates locked away in a droid that only he could activate? Did he think he'd forget where he was? And how did R2 have the entire map except that one piece? Luke locked up the location except one piece? And no techies thought hey, let's just hack the droid and take the map?