State Of The Board - 2018 (1 Viewer)

[tonydead]

Tim gets pigeon holed but he’s not the only one that posts like a locust swarm there

Drink!

 

[tonydead]

Are they all retired? They are in there all day reposting the same hate. 

Stay at home moms. 

 

[bagger]

Guys, this sort of thing is not unprecedented. It’s happened before. Listening to the American Pie parody about the FFA that I posted a few pages back is an amazing chronicling of stories and moderator actions from the 2001 to 2006 time frame (over 12 years ago). One of the events referenced in the song is when the name of the long running “Hooters” thread was changed to the “Mammaries” thread, and then ultimately axed. Everyone was complaining about that, as they are complaining today about the Yoga pants thread.

Same as Day 1.

-J

 

[Captain Cranks]

How about consistency with some of the threads and avatars. 

<-------------   Doing my part  

 

[Joe Bryant]

I honestly don't think that there's a single person on the planet that considers the stuff my crazy Uncle Randy or anyone else posts on Facebook as a reflection of the personal beliefs of Mark Zuckerberg. 

Just sayin

Not personal beliefs. But responsible. At least that's what Zuckerberg thinks.

Facebook is ‘responsible for the content’ on its platform, Zuckerberg says

Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg says the company is “responsible for the content” on its platform.

It’s a departure from how internet companies have traditionally viewed themselves — as neutral platforms generally not responsible for what people post and share on their services.

That’s a departure from how internet companies have traditionally viewed themselves — as neutral platforms generally not responsible for what people post and share on their services.

But Zuckerberg, who is testifying before a rare joint congressional committee on Tuesday, says Facebook needs to take a “broader view” of its responsibility in the world.

He also says that advances in artificial intelligence mean companies like Facebook will have to think about proactively removing objectionable content, for example, not just reactively after someone flags it. This, he says, raises “moral and legal” obligation questions.

Facebook already removes some content, such as suspected terrorist propaganda before anyone sees it. But as its systems improve, it’ll likely be able to remove other content too.

 

[Johnny Rock]

So I wanted to see Mr Anonymous tell us the name of the gal in his avatar and it made me think to request his presence in the “post a full size pic of your avatar” thread. Boom. Gonzo.

If I pm him the question is that okay?

Why is that considered unexcellent behavior? Can’t we go back to that threshold?

This has always been the most PG-13 board out there and we’re fine with that. But now G rated? This isn’t a Disney forum. Why are some of these benign topics so taboo and seemingly deeply personal? It’s a picture of a woman in a Packers shirt! Actually it’s not even a picture of her, it would be a link to a picture because we don’t allow pics. OMG What is happening?!!!?

 

[Chemical X]

boardwise notice-i am updating my privacy settings.

 

[prosopis]

I have been here for many years. All I can say is that reading this is exhausting. I am bowing out of making any comments. Time is ticking and I have other things to do. I do hope all of this works out as I have always felt this was a cool place to chill and I have met many folks here who have made me a better person.

 

[need2know]

I was on this other board earlier and was blown away with their yoga pants thread.  We have fallen behind fighting amongst ourselves.  And for what?  So a couple guys can feel better about not seeing yoga pants?  Good God people! Wake up and do what's right!

 

[DocHolliday]

Can't believe that this is still being discussed.   The girls are gone.  And they aren't coming back.   

 

[Otis]

Am I right this post probably needs to be updated?  (Similar to day 1)

Old post with the guidelines for how we've always run the board

For right now, we will still allow avatar images and we'll see how that goes. I've had a zillion requests to define "the line" better so while I know it'll sound like a jerk, I'll lay it out as close to what I can for specifics. So here goes:

Girl images (real and cartoon) need to be static. That means the images don't move. No strippers or dancing girls. No shots of girls (real and cartoon) running and bouncing.

Non suggestive bikini images are ok.

Suggestive bikini shots are not ok.

Thong shots are not ok.

Shots where girl is missing the top or bottom of her bikini and she's "covering" with another object are not ok.

Wet T-shirt shots are not ok.

For non girl stuff, please keep the tone about the same. No drug stuff. No super violent or super gross stuff.

That's about as clear a definition as I can get on defining the "line". Again, I hate the fact I have to play board cop and sound like a dweeb spelling it out but the line has to be defined.

If you choose to go over the line. Your account will be changed so that you won't be allowed to post.

There won't be any discussion or warnings.

There is simply too much for the moderators to do and not enough time for them to talk to everyone that wants to push it. So please understand, going over the line, even accidentally, means you won't be posting. If you think something might be over, please don't post it.

General Posting Stuff.

We've had a few people who post on the board with the primary reason to just incite people and then go back to their home board and brag about how many "fish" they "caught" or what they could stir up. Posters who do that and don't have anything positive to bring to the board will have their ability to post removed.

In a similar light, hijacking threads for the sole purpose of killing them is looked at the same way.

Again, I hate the fact that I even have to spell that out for people but apparently I do. And as with the avatars, there won't be any discussion or argument about it when someone goes over that line. Our moderators simply don't have the time to deal with each case and discuss it. It takes 15 seconds to disable the ability for a member to post. That is all the time they usually have to deal with it and that will be the route they go.

Bottom line is just do as I said in the other post: Be excellent to one another. Yeah, that's the kindergarten rule but we use it here too. For real, if you always act in a way here that you'd want others to act toward you, we'll be golden.

And yes, I'm sure this post will be pasted on the other boards for ridicule about how prudish / nazi / intolerant we are. Whatever. That's part of the business.

I'm totally aware that the rules above are way more restrictive than most (if not all) discussion boards out there. Please, if they're too binding for you, find a board that fits what you're looking for better. There are a ton of them out there. But this is how we're going to try and run things here.

Is that the right way? I don't know. I'm not smarter than anyone else so who am I to say what way is best? I just know that this is the way that we've run this board from day 1. And for the guys who like to post here, this way seems to be working ok for them. That's the great thing about the internet, if this style doesn't suit you, there are a ton of options out there.

Anyways, that's where we're at. Hope you enjoy the new boards.

Joe and David

Are "non suggestive bikini images" still OK?  I think we recently determined non suggestive images of women fully clothed with tight pants are not OK, so I'm thinking this is probably no longer OK either.

Asking for a friend.

Oats 

 

[munga30]

There's a pretty big difference, and you're well aware of it. 

The evidence says otherwise.  

 

[Scoresman]

Am I right this post probably needs to be updated?  (Similar to day 1)

Are "non suggestive bikini images" still OK?  I think we recently determined non suggestive images of women fully clothed with tight pants are not OK, so I'm thinking this is probably no longer OK either.

Asking for a friend.

Oats 

Jut change bikini to burka to match the new posting guidelines.  

 

[eoMMan]

JB,

How is the July month-end looking?

Analysts are saying that although members are down, post per member has increased.  

Any future guidance for Q4?

@Joe Bryant

 

[Joe Bryant]

JB,

How is the July month-end looking?

Analysts are saying that although members are down, post per member has increased.  

Any future guidance for Q4?

@Joe Bryant

Thank you @eoMMan  It's not Apple level, but feeling optimistic. 

 

[timschochet]

Because if we didn't give Tim an outlet, he'd pollute the entire board. We already tried paying him to leave. At this point, he's holding the board hostage.

I missed this post before, but I’d like to point out that in my entire time here I have never written anything as ugly as accusing somebody of “polluting” the board. How exactly is this crap allowed? Being excellent to each other, my ###. 

 

[Scoresman]

I missed this post before, but I’d like to point out that in my entire time here I have never written anything as ugly as accusing somebody of “polluting” the board. How exactly is this crap allowed? Being excellent to each other, my ###. 

The mods are trying to make this place a bit tougher and gritty, like the DC Mom's forum.  

 

[timschochet]

The reason that the Politics subforum is a problem is pretty simple: almost every thread that is started by a Trump supporter is trolling. Almost every thread that attempts to criticize President Trump is eventually dominated by a Trump  supporter or two who, rather than defend the President, troll. Then when they are inevitably ganged up on, they complain about how poorly they are treated. Rinse and repeat. 

At this point 90% of the only intelligent discussions that go on in the subforum are between Trump critics, and they’re usually debates over strategy and tactics. Nobody on the other side bothers to provide anything close to a real and honest opinion. 

Anyhow that’s how I see it. 

 

[timschochet]

The mods are trying to make this place a bit tougher and gritty, like the DC Mom's forum.  

Well I’d like to believe that Joe just missed that post. As he points out, he can’t read every post and it’s up to me or others to report the ugliness, which I never do. 

But the problem is that only a few hours later Joe chose to respond to another post by Walking Boot, and he responded to several posts on the same page, which leads me to believe that he did see the ugly post and apparently didn’t think anything of it. Or maybe it’s simply OK to write that tim pollutes the board- perhaps that’s an accepted point of view these days? Who knows. All I can say is that Joe Bryant has accused me of bullying people here, but I’ve never treated anyone here (or elsewhere for that matter) like that. 

 

[Epic Problem]

Glad we finally got that all aired out.

 

[Epic Problem]

Update on FFA name change?

You didn’t lie to us, did you @Joe Bryant?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

The reason that the Politics subforum is a problem is pretty simple: almost every thread that is started by a Trump supporter is trolling. Almost every thread that attempts to criticize President Trump is eventually dominated by a Trump  supporter or two who, rather than defend the President, troll. Then when they are inevitably ganged up on, they complain about how poorly they are treated. Rinse and repeat. 

At this point 90% of the only intelligent discussions that go on in the subforum are between Trump critics, and they’re usually debates over strategy and tactics. Nobody on the other side bothers to provide anything close to a real and honest opinion. 

Anyhow that’s how I see it. 

Who are all these trump supporters taking over threads?  

 

[ShamrockPride]

Well I’d like to believe that Joe just missed that post. As he points out, he can’t read every post and it’s up to me or others to report the ugliness, which I never do. 

But the problem is that only a few hours later Joe chose to respond to another post by Walking Boot, and he responded to several posts on the same page, which leads me to believe that he did see the ugly post and apparently didn’t think anything of it. Or maybe it’s simply OK to write that tim pollutes the board- perhaps that’s an accepted point of view these days? Who knows. All I can say is that Joe Bryant has accused me of bullying people here, but I’ve never treated anyone here (or elsewhere for that matter) like that. 

Tim, you've been doing well (IMO) in the month since you and Joe had that spat about changing your posting style. Don't blow it over one post.

 

[timschochet]

Tim, you've been doing well (IMO) in the month since you and Joe had that spat about changing your posting style. Don't blow it over one post.

I’m not going to attack anyone, or insult them or bully them. I would simply like to receive the same treatment. That’s all. 

 

[timschochet]

Who are all these trump supporters taking over threads?  

What I wrote was a general observation. I could name people but it would serve no purpose. Nor would it surprise you in any way. 

 

[rustycolts]

Well I’d like to believe that Joe just missed that post. As he points out, he can’t read every post and it’s up to me or others to report the ugliness, which I never do. 

But the problem is that only a few hours later Joe chose to respond to another post by Walking Boot, and he responded to several posts on the same page, which leads me to believe that he did see the ugly post and apparently didn’t think anything of it. Or maybe it’s simply OK to write that tim pollutes the board- perhaps that’s an accepted point of view these days? Who knows. All I can say is that Joe Bryant has accused me of bullying people here, but I’ve never treated anyone here (or elsewhere for that matter) like that. 

Tim I think some folks throw that criticism your way as a way to tease you a little bit.  Personally I am glad you post as much as you do and start the threads you do.  It gives me plenty to read.  I will admit I do shake my head in wonder sometimes but I find it interesting nonetheless.  Your threads on history,WW 2 and classic rock are some of my favorites.

 

[timschochet]

Tim I think some folks throw that criticism your way as a way to tease you a little bit.  Personally I am glad you post as much as you do and start the threads you do.  It gives me plenty to read.  I will admit I do shake my head in wonder sometimes but I find it interesting nonetheless.  Your threads on history,WW 2 and classic rock are some of my favorites.

Thanks rusty. Some people do tease me and I don’t mind. I don’t think Walking Boot was trying to tease me when he wrote that the entire reason there is a politics subforum is because I pollute the board and hold eveybody hostage, do you? I didn’t take that as teasing. 

Im glad you enjoy the threads. 

 

[Cowboysfan8]

The reason that the Politics subforum is a problem is pretty simple: almost every thread that is started by a Trump supporter is trolling. Almost every thread that attempts to criticize President Trump is eventually dominated by a Trump  supporter or two who, rather than defend the President, troll. Then when they are inevitably ganged up on, they complain about how poorly they are treated. Rinse and repeat. 

Total bull####

"The politics forum is a problem" because all it is is a massive ##### fest day in and day out, rinse and repeat. And God forbid anyone even SUGGESTS something other than the group think ....they are then treated like moron.

Anyhow, that's how I see it

 

[rustycolts]

Total bull####

"The politics forum is a problem" because all it is is a massive ##### fest day in and day out, rinse and repeat. And God forbid anyone even SUGGESTS something other than the group think ....they are then treated like moron.

Anyhow, that's how I see it

I know for the past couple of weeks I have gone there to see what evil my generation has done that day.  You know you really have to watch us boomers.  That thread has fallen off the front page though.

 

[timschochet]

Total bull####

"The politics forum is a problem" because all it is is a massive ##### fest day in and day out, rinse and repeat. And God forbid anyone even SUGGESTS something other than the group think ....they are then treated like moron.

Anyhow, that's how I see it

I disagree with you, obviously. 

I like you Cowboysfan8. You are not one of those who troll; neither you nor Rambling Wreck are among those who I was referring to. You’re one of those I wished posted more often because you usually have something thoughtful to say, and when you do I don’t think you’re treated badly (I feel the same about RW and tonydead, who liked your last post.) 

That being said, while none of you guys are trolls, you all spend a lot of time defending the trolls. And that’s frustrating and I just don’t get it. So they’re on “your side”? So what? They’re still trolling and I know that you know it. 

 

[tonydead]

Total bull####

"The politics forum is a problem" because all it is is a massive ##### fest day in and day out, rinse and repeat. And God forbid anyone even SUGGESTS something other than the group think ....they are then treated like moron.

Anyhow, that's how I see it

I was going to post something similar, but, then thought it's not worth my time.  Just like posting in there isn't worth my time anymore.  Or like spending very much time in the FFA on a weekly basis isn't worth it anymore.  I have no idea how or why the few level headed people in there do it, let alone any Trump supporters. 

The best thing Joe could do since making the political forum would be to get rid of it all together.  Maybe people would start talking civil to each other again if they weren't obsessed with topic of politics.  Nah, who am I kidding, it's all Trumps fault.

 

[Ilov80s]

I'm from Michigan. 

 

[tonydead]

I disagree with you, obviously. 

I like you Cowboysfan8. You are not one of those who troll; neither you nor Rambling Wreck are among those who I was referring to. You’re one of those I wished posted more often because you usually have something thoughtful to say, and when you do I don’t think you’re treated badly (I feel the same about RW and tonydead, who liked your last post.) 

That being said, while none of you guys are trolls, you all spend a lot of time defending the trolls. And that’s frustrating and I just don’t get it. So they’re on “your side”? So what? They’re still trolling and I know that you know it. 

I'd ask if you're completely blind to the "trolls" on the other side if you hadn't just blamed the handful for 90% of the problem.  Let me know if you need some examples.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I disagree with you, obviously. 

I like you Cowboysfan8. You are not one of those who troll; neither you nor Rambling Wreck are among those who I was referring to. You’re one of those I wished posted more often because you usually have something thoughtful to say, and when you do I don’t think you’re treated badly (I feel the same about RW and tonydead, who liked your last post.) 

That being said, while none of you guys are trolls, you all spend a lot of time defending the trolls. And that’s frustrating and I just don’t get it. So they’re on “your side”? So what? They’re still trolling and I know that you know it. 

My problem with this is you go after the trolls you disagree with.  You've never once gone after the Trump hating trolls that muck up almost every single thread there.   It'd be a lot easier to get behind you here if you were consistent and weren't picking sides yourself.  My 2 cents.

 

[rustycolts]

I'm from Michigan. 

Are you happy that Urban might be in a little bit of a jam?  I know it puts a little smile on my face.

 

[Osaurus]

Are you happy that Urban might be in a little bit of a jam?  I know it puts a little smile on my face.

Lol.  Sucks for parties involved, but it’s about time he was called out for his lack of action.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

My problem with this is you go after the trolls you disagree with.  You've never once gone after the Trump hating trolls that muck up almost every single thread there.   It'd be a lot easier to get behind you here if you were consistent and weren't picking sides yourself.  My 2 cents.

 

[timschochet]

OK tonydead and RW. Do you guys have a point? Probably. Yes there are trolls on the anti Trump side as well. We all know who they are. And there are also people on both sides who troll some of the time, and post seriously some of the time. We all know who they are too. 

But I think there’s a difference- the numbers. There are far more serious people on the anti Trump side. It’s probably a ratio, among the anti  Trump guys, of 3 serious people to every one troll. By serious I mean somebody willing to engage in real and honest discussion and debate. 

But on the pro Trump side the numbers are reversed: for every serious person there are 3 trolls. And part of the reason for that, IMO, is guys like you two don’t post about issues enough. You have basically given up and let the trolls take over. 

 

[NotSmart]

I'd ask the question - how would the board respond if we eliminated screen names and every poster were somehow required to post with their real name and city where they lived? 

I'd be pretty surprised if many people would be cool with that. Having a real name attached makes things different. Even if you're not the one saying something, you're in or around the conversation. 

Same way for me. I can't pass responsibility off to someone else. This isn't a faceless network where you can throw up some lame cover their butt "the views and opinions don't actively represent the position of ..." thing. I'm the owner and even though I'm not the one saying it directly, it reflects on me if it's allowed on the site. 

If you honestly stop and think about this point, it's a really good one.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

OK tonydead and RW. Do you guys have a point? Probably. Yes there are trolls on the anti Trump side as well. We all know who they are. And there are also people on both sides who troll some of the time, and post seriously some of the time. We all know who they are too. 

But I think there’s a difference- the numbers. There are far more serious people on the anti Trump side. It’s probably a ratio, among the anti  Trump guys, of 3 serious people to every one troll. By serious I mean somebody willing to engage in real and honest discussion and debate. 

But on the pro Trump side the numbers are reversed: for every serious person there are 3 trolls. And part of the reason for that, IMO, is guys like you two don’t post about issues enough. You have basically given up and let the trolls take over. 

No schtick here I think your ratios are way off because I don't think there are more than 5-6 Trump guys on the forum.   And there are easily 100 anti-Trump guys so even if only one in ten are trolls those 10 are the ones mucking up the threads.  A couple of them post 50-100 times a day it seems and do nothing but troll.

 

[tonydead]

OK tonydead and RW. Do you guys have a point? Probably. Yes there are trolls on the anti Trump side as well. We all know who they are. And there are also people on both sides who troll some of the time, and post seriously some of the time. We all know who they are too. 

But I think there’s a difference- the numbers. There are far more serious people on the anti Trump side. It’s probably a ratio, among the anti  Trump guys, of 3 serious people to every one troll. By serious I mean somebody willing to engage in real and honest discussion and debate. 

But on the pro Trump side the numbers are reversed: for every serious person there are 3 trolls. And part of the reason for that, IMO, is guys like you two don’t post about issues enough. You have basically given up and let the trolls take over. 

That's because you've chased everyone away.  And I'm not talking just Trump supporters either.  Not sure how you feel about these people, but, to me these are perfect examples - jonmx and matuski.  And myself.  I'm tired of the "here comes another Gary Johnson supporter" wink wink when my point has something to do with Trump doing something I like, then get your typical beat down for voting for a racist white supremacist woman molester.  I rarely if ever defend Trump, and I didn't vote for him whether you believe me or not.  It's a horribly moderated forum, no thanks.

 

[avoiding injuries]

I was going to post something similar, but, then thought it's not worth my time.  Just like posting in there isn't worth my time anymore.  Or like spending very much time in the FFA on a weekly basis isn't worth it anymore.  I have no idea how or why the few level headed people in there do it, let alone any Trump supporters. 

This sums up my behavior. After 14 years on the boards and posting daily, I’m down to a few posts a week. I occasionally venture into the PSF, and find myself shaking my head and clicking on a different website pretty quickly. Differing opinions aren’t wanted there, and who has time to post something and then respond to the 5-15 posters that you’ve agitated? Nope, that place isn’t for me. 

 

[timschochet]

As I wrote. tonydead, Avoiding Injuries, Cowboyfans, RW, you are the guys I want posting there. You’re all, IMO, thoughtful conservatives who support Trump sometimes but not always and you’re not trolls. tonydead, I have been guilty of some of the behavior you accuse us of, and I’ve tried to change my posting style. I can’t speak for anyone else but I do wish you’d come back and post more often. 

 

[GoBirds]

This sums up my behavior. After 14 years on the boards and posting daily, I’m down to a few posts a week. I occasionally venture into the PSF, and find myself shaking my head and clicking on a different website pretty quickly. Differing opinions aren’t wanted there, and who has time to post something and then respond to the 5-15 posters that you’ve agitated? Nope, that place isn’t for me. 

Hit the nail on the head, no one with a life has time to respond to the swarm of 20 regulars that constantly attack anyone that doesn’t fall in line. You would think it would get old but they keep repeating it any chance they get and we are two years in.  

 

[GoBirds]

I was going to post something similar, but, then thought it's not worth my time.  Just like posting in there isn't worth my time anymore.  Or like spending very much time in the FFA on a weekly basis isn't worth it anymore.  I have no idea how or why the few level headed people in there do it, let alone any Trump supporters. 

The best thing Joe could do since making the political forum would be to get rid of it all together.  Maybe people would start talking civil to each other again if they weren't obsessed with topic of politics.  Nah, who am I kidding, it's all Trumps fault.

It’s amazing the owners allow it to continue.....it’s just a one siding venting thread where grown ups can hide behind their alias and act like melting down children with no consequences. Where the line has been drawn on other topics yet this mess is allowed to continue is baffling. 

 

[Sand]

OK tonydead and RW. Do you guys have a point? Probably. Yes there are trolls on the anti Trump side as well. We all know who they are. And there are also people on both sides who troll some of the time, and post seriously some of the time. We all know who they are too. 

But I think there’s a difference- the numbers. There are far more serious people on the anti Trump side. It’s probably a ratio, among the anti  Trump guys, of 3 serious people to every one troll. By serious I mean somebody willing to engage in real and honest discussion and debate. 

But on the pro Trump side the numbers are reversed: for every serious person there are 3 trolls. And part of the reason for that, IMO, is guys like you two don’t post about issues enough. You have basically given up and let the trolls take over. 

  

Oh, go on.  You mean like just today posting this drivel in what was a relatively good discussion?  Thou doth protest too much.

And, just for the record, the best thread that has existed in that forum has been and continues to be the Obamacare thread.  Fact filled, intelligent discussion of what's going on in that arena.  Since it has lived so long as a relatively conservative bent thread the signal to noise ratio there is way, way higher than the typical thread.

 

[eoMMan]

Hit the nail on the head, no one with a life has time to respond to the swarm of 20 regulars that constantly attack anyone that doesn’t fall in line. You would think it would get old but they keep repeating it any chance they get and we are two years in.  

To be fair, we have never had a President so controversial. A lot of people loathe him and aren't afraid to speak up.

I don't think "attack anyone" is the right way to say it. It's more about attacking the ridiculous lies that Trump's administration puts out on an almost daily basis. I think most of the proTrumpers are treated decent enough and certainly treated normal in nonTrump threads (tonydead in the cutting the cord thread for example)

 

[HellToupee]

I missed this post before, but I’d like to point out that in my entire time here I have never written anything as ugly as accusing somebody of “polluting” the board. How exactly is this crap allowed? Being excellent to each other, my ###. 

You’ve bullied people in the political forum since it’s inception and now that Joe set you straight  you’ve  suddenly  found religion .

 

[Stuart Ullman]

"I'm proud to be an American..."

 

[eoMMan]

"I'm proud to be an American..."

Aaaaaaaammmerrrriiicannnnn Dreaaaamm He's just a common working hard with his hands he's just a common man working hard for the man Hey He's Amerrrrrrrrrrriiccann Dreammm Hey He's Amerrrrrrrrrrriiccann Dreammm (American Dream)