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STEELER - SAINTS discussion. Sunday's HOF Game. (1 Viewer)

Thomas blown up in the backfield, but fought for a few yards anyway. You can tell he's playing to make the team.

 
Positives about this game....

The hitting from the defense, Gary Russell and Carey Davis ( hope to see more of both), Woodley dropping into coverage, and Ben looking more like the two year ago Ben. Liked the first drive but let's face reality it is the first preseason drive. Like the W. Gay hit and in general the Defense looked good.

Negatives still think the O-line needs to gel , on pass protect, though it was good watching Simmons pull around and hit someone just would have liked to stay on his feet. Barlow wasn't great but may just need more reps. But I'm not putting alot on this game.

Just liked the intensity from the Steelers in general

 
What I got from tonights game...

For Steelers

* Big Ben looks like he's back from his one year funk.

* Cedric Wilson caught some nice passes.

* Nate Washington = drops tonight

* I really like that Carey Davis. He had 2 or 3 really impressive power runs and a couple more catches. Any chance he could take the #2 RB spot away from Davenport?

* Woodly looked solid.

For Saints

* Was that Drew Brees out there?

* Colston had a lot of looks while he was out there, although few were caught.

* Bush was meh tonight.

* The Saints corners suck. Oh crap do they suck. I have the Saints D as a backup in a league. :thumbup:

* Meachem: After that hit did he do a Jim Everett a few plays later and just fall down to avoid the hit over the middle?

 
cantrell said:
* I really like that Carey Davis. He had 2 or 3 really impressive power runs and a couple more catches. Any chance he could take the #2 RB spot away from Davenport?
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IMHO:I seriously believe what he is doing, has done, and has a chance at... is the passing set single back.

He will be taking Verron Haynes job.

Which sees much more time the Najehs does.

Pittsburgh runs the tailback with a fullback. (Parker + Kreider) Which Najeh back up.

Then they run the passing (3rd down) set which is primarily Haynes. This looks to be Davis's calling.

 
Take what you will from the game but I have to say the Saints didn't want to play. They looked tired and really weren't into the game as much as the Steelers were. The Steelers looked like they were playing for the Super Bowl while my team looked like they wanted to go home. If you really think that the Saints defense will play that way come regualer season you are dillusional. Payton had the most vanilla offense and defenses called throughout the game. the Steelers were playing like they do in the reg season and I know they werent using the plays they will use in reg season but they wanted to win that game to show something about the team and the coach. Look at our preseason last year. If that was any indication of our defense and season it was off by light years. Don't read too much into preseason.

 
eliasartigue said:
Take what you will from the game but I have to say the Saints didn't want to play. They looked tired and really weren't into the game as much as the Steelers were. The Steelers looked like they were playing for the Super Bowl while my team looked like they wanted to go home. If you really think that the Saints defense will play that way come regualer season you are dillusional. Payton had the most vanilla offense and defenses called throughout the game. the Steelers were playing like they do in the reg season and I know they werent using the plays they will use in reg season but they wanted to win that game to show something about the team and the coach. Look at our preseason last year. If that was any indication of our defense and season it was off by light years. Don't read too much into preseason.
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I wholeheartedly agree about not reading too much into the preseason (started a thread about that yesterday in fact).What we saw last night was the Steelers were ready to play and the Saints weren't. I think that happens a lot in preseason -- no big deal for either team. As a Steelers fan it was nice to see them looking sharp but it doesn't really mean too much.I will say that Nate Washington had better learn to hold on to the ball and I also thought that Matt Starks looked a bit shakey on a couple of plays. Simmons looked like a beast out there though.In any case it is nice to have football back...
 
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BigSteelThrill said:
cantrell said:
* I really like that Carey Davis. He had 2 or 3 really impressive power runs and a couple more catches. Any chance he could take the #2 RB spot away from Davenport?
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IMHO:I seriously believe what he is doing, has done, and has a chance at... is the passing set single back.

He will be taking Verron Haynes job.

Which sees much more time the Najehs does.

Pittsburgh runs the tailback with a fullback. (Parker + Kreider) Which Najeh back up.

Then they run the passing (3rd down) set which is primarily Haynes. This looks to be Davis's calling.
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I agree -- right now it looks like the team may be choosing between Haynes and Carey Davis for the one-back spot. Last night Davis looked like a natural Steeler one-back in the mold of Haynes and Fuamatu-Ma'afala while Haynes only got one carry that I remember, and he didn't seem to have his normal burst. And according to Dale Lolley, Davis pretty much owned the backs-on-backers drills he was in last week, so he seems to be solid in pass protection, which is probably the most important requirement for our one-backs.Gary Russell was running well on the inside, too. Maybe it will come down to a choice between Russell and Barlow?

 
Godsbrother said:
What we saw last night was the Steelers were ready to play and the Saints weren't. I think that happens a lot in preseason -- no big deal for either team. As a Steelers fan it was nice to see them looking sharp but it doesn't really mean too much.

I will say that Nate Washington had better learn to hold on to the ball and I also thought that Matt Starks looked a bit shakey on a couple of plays. Simmons looked like a beast out there though.

In any case it is nice to have football back...
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#1 bolded: I think it does mean something to us. Granted, the Saints didn't look season-ready in the 1st pre-season game of the year. Most teams don't. Big whoop. What I'm excited about is that Cowher's teams generally didn't hit stride 'till week 4 of the regular season. If they look this sharp already, my biggest concern could be peaking before the playoffsi Oh, darn the luck.#2 bolded: While Simmons did look good last nite, the RT(s) only looked O.K., and Marvel was blown up on one of the 1st plays in which he had an easy angle on the DE (W.Smith IIRC) on a off-tackle-left play (Davenport?). O-line wasn't inspiring, but I don't expect too much on the 1st (and early) pre-season game of the year.

Ced Wilson IS a decent WR, and I've been saying that. I hope Holmes wins the #2 spot, but Ced can be a killer in the slot and is at least as good as El was as a #2. Very impressed w/ Young last nite.

Davis and Russel just proved Barlow to be expendable. I know, I know. One pre-season game, blah, blah. While he didn't look as bad as Staley last pre-season, there is no reason to keep him and his alleged attitude when we have these two younger and probably cheaper and hungrier backs.

Woodley impressed me in coverage! I'm a Michigan fan myself, and was hoping for Carriker or Branch for the D-line, but neither worked out and I wasn't thrilled w/ the 1st two picks but everything I'm hearing from camp and what little I saw last nite may be cause to warm up to this guy a little. BTW, where was Harrison?

I was hoping to hear a little more noise from Clark/Smith, but was pretty pleased w/ the DBs as a whole. I guess you can't hear much from the safeties when the plays aren't making it that deep. :lmao:

BTW - Applebee's in Redding, CA had the Mets game on 3 TVs and BILLIARDS on the other. Thank God for DVRs. I had gift cards and a babysitter so what the hell...

 
I understand this is preseason and the packages where plain. The Saints looked dead and not motivated at all, and are not ready to play a season. The Steelers were motivated to get the new coaching staff on the right foot. They were blitzing on just about every down. I understand that.

However, when a team's game plan is go long and I'll hit you, that is just basic coverage skills. The Saints were beat bad last night in coverage much like last year and it will not take coaches long to come up with a game plan to beat this defense.

 
ATC1 said:
However, when a team's game plan is go long and I'll hit you, that is just basic coverage skills. The Saints were beat bad last night in coverage much like last year and it will not take coaches long to come up with a game plan to beat this defense.
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Well, we all knew by week 4 that all they had to do was go over and abuse that turn-style NO had playing RCB. Yet NO still managed a fantastic season.
 
jurb26 said:
we all knew by week 4 that all they had to do was go over and abuse that turn-style NO had playing RCB. Yet NO still managed a fantastic season.
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Actually Thomas was playing some fantastic football until around week 11 or 12. It wasn't until after he sustained an injury + Harper knocked out for the season that the secondary had problems.And ROFL at all the people thinking this game has any significance at all on the rest of the season. Even if the Saints defense doesn't improve one iota they're still in great shape in the NFC.
 
Afro Samurai said:
jurb26 said:
we all knew by week 4 that all they had to do was go over and abuse that turn-style NO had playing RCB. Yet NO still managed a fantastic season.
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Actually Thomas was playing some fantastic football until around week 11 or 12. It wasn't until after he sustained an injury + Harper knocked out for the season that the secondary had problems.And ROFL at all the people thinking this game has any significance at all on the rest of the season. Even if the Saints defense doesn't improve one iota they're still in great shape in the NFC.
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Sorry, I maybe greedy because I've been waiting a while as a Saints fan, but I'm thinking Superbowl this year and the only way I see that happening is if the Saints tackle better and not give up the long pass plays.
 
jurb26 said:
ATC1 said:
However, when a team's game plan is go long and I'll hit you, that is just basic coverage skills. The Saints were beat bad last night in coverage much like last year and it will not take coaches long to come up with a game plan to beat this defense.
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Well, we all knew by week 4 that all they had to do was go over and abuse that turn-style NO had playing RCB. Yet NO still managed a fantastic season.
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Great season....yes. Obviously room for improvement. Those plays we got burnt on was simple 7 on 7 drills you would see at practice. No way that should happen, even in preseason.
 
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