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I hate to agree with a Patriot fan, but this post is very accurate. I don't want to take anything away from Bettis and his career accomplishments but his performances in the 2 AFC champ games vs the Pats were awful. And let's not forget his fumble vs the colts which could have been a disaster if Ben doesn't make that tackle.
So you agree that Bettis was just an average back? I think you are being pretty tough on Bettis if you are saying that he was only an average back because of 2 bad AFC championship games -- games that the whole team did not play well in I might add. Up until this season Peyton Manning didn't do very well against the Patriots in the playoffs either.As far as the fumble goes, it was a fluke thing that happened at a bad time. You seem to forget that without Bettis' performance down the stretch, especially in the Chicago game, the Steelers wouldn't have been in the playoffs at all.
Maybe since the Steelers are set at QB, the new fan favorite for Steelers fans has become the backup RB. Personally, I think FWP is a legit, everydown, NFL RB and will be given even more of a chance to perform under Tomlin and the new regime.
I agree with you wholeheartedly about FWP and said earlier that I don't think they need to use a first day draft pick on a Bettis-type RB to compliment Parker. I just dispute that Bettis, the 5th leading rusher in NFL history, was just an average back.
 
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I hate to agree with a Patriot fan, but this post is very accurate. I don't want to take anything away from Bettis and his career accomplishments but his performances in the 2 AFC champ games vs the Pats were awful. And let's not forget his fumble vs the colts which could have been a disaster if Ben doesn't make that tackle.
So you agree that Bettis was just an average back? I think you are being pretty tough on Bettis if you are saying that he was only an average back because of 2 bad AFC championship games -- games that the whole team did not play well in I might add. Up until this season Peyton Manning didn't do very well against the Patriots in the playoffs either.As far as the fumble goes, it was a fluke thing that happened at a bad time. You seem to forget that without Bettis' performance down the stretch, especially in the Chicago game, the Steelers wouldn't have been in the playoffs at all.
Maybe since the Steelers are set at QB, the new fan favorite for Steelers fans has become the backup RB. Personally, I think FWP is a legit, everydown, NFL RB and will be given even more of a chance to perform under Tomlin and the new regime.
I agree with you wholeheartedly about FWP and said earlier that I don't think they need to use a first day draft pick on a Bettis-type RB to compliment Parker. I just dispute that Bettis, the 5th leading rusher in NFL history, was just an average back.
Hi Godsbrother,Sorry. I should have been more clear. I was agreeing that FWP is and should be their back and what he accomplished last year was very impressive and rivals Bettis' best years. I did not mean to take anything away from Bettis. His performance vs the Bears in the snow was fantastic and I was as thrilled as anybody for him to end his career on a high note. I think he is no-brainer HOF choice. I just think all the talk about them needing the big, bruising RB is over rated. FWP is young, fast and does just as good of a job in the short yard situations as Bus did. I think with Arians as the Off Coord, we are going to see a much different offense than we are used to and I am excited about the prospects of Ben, FWP, Holmes and Miller being showcased.
 
Anyone who thinks Bettis was an average runningback is an idiot, period... Sorry but that arguement simply cannot be made with any seriousness.

 
NFL Combine: Draft will determine if it's 3-4 or 4-3Monday, February 26, 2007By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-GazetteINDIANAPOLIS -- What kind of structure the Steelers use to play defense this season could come down to simply whether they draft someone such as Jarvis Moss or Paul Posluszny.Each suits the 4-3 defense more than the 3-4, which is the kind the Steelers have used for nearly a quarter of a century.Coach Mike Tomlin said he will let the talent on his team dictate which defense they play, but it will be him and Kevin Colbert who decide what talent they pick in the April draft that could lead them in one direction or the other.Pick someone such as Moss or Posluszny and it signals a 4-3.Moss stands a tad taller than 6 feet 6 and played defensive end at Florida. Mel Kiper, in his first mock draft, picked him for the Steelers at No. 15. The Steelers interviewed him at the NFL Combine and talked with him about possibly playing linebacker, as many teams have. In reality, the 250-pounder is a perfect, pass-rushing defensive end in a 4-3.Posluszny stands 6-1 and weighs 238 and looks the part of the perfect outside linebacker in a 4-3 defense, the way Jack Ham played it in the Steelers' 4-3 in the 1970s.The Steelers have taken a keen interest in linebackers and defensive ends since the combine started Thursday. Many of those players have listed the Steelers among the teams that have interviewed them."They seemed pretty interested because they do have an older linebacking corps,'' said Anthony Spencer, a 6-3, 266-pound defensive end from Purdue.The Steelers must decide by March 6 whether they will pay linebacker Joey Porter a $1 million roster bonus, followed by a $4 million salary. There are indications they will not and instead cut him loose. If that happens, they will be thin at outside linebacker.But they have options, whether they line up in a 3-4 or a 4-3.In a 4-3, end Aaron Smith can move to tackle and play what they call the 3-technique, which would line him up on the outside shoulder of the guard with Casey Hampton slanting over the center. Brett Keisel can remain at end in the 4-3 but the Steelers would need another, either through the draft with someone such as Moss or using Clark Haggans there. The middle linebacker could be Larry Foote with James Farrior moving outside along with James Harrison. But they also would need more pure 4-3 outside linebackers such as Posluszny or maybe a Jon Beason of Miami in the second round or even Penn State's speedy Tim Shaw later.If they stick with the 3-4, they already have their front in place and could simply stick with Haggans on the left and start James Harrison on the right -- barring any immediate draft help. They also could draft Moss and use him as a situational rusher until they move to the 4-3, perhaps in 2008. Or, they could draft Posluszny and let him play on occasion as a rookie until a switch to the 4-3 is made.Nebraska defensive end Adam Carriker measured 6-6, 296, and that would seem to suit a 3-4 end. But he could play either and that's something the Steelers might want at this point."It really doesn't matter to me," Carriker said. "Whatever teams want me to do. I did it at Nebraska, had no problem with it. If they want me to play 3-technique [tackle in a 4-3], if they want me to play D-end, whatever, I don't care."Carriker met with the Steelers at the Combine and said he talked at length with their position coach, presumably John Mitchell."He said he's watched film of me, the D-line coach, and he said I reminded him of one of his D-ends right now," Carriker said.Aaron Smith?"Yeah, that's what he said."There were 327 college football players at the Combine this week auditioning for the NFL. The ones the Steelers choose on defense in two months should help determine what kind of defense they aim to play.
 
What are people's thoughts and opinions on Joey Porter for the upcoming year. Part of me would hate to see them part ways. But I also can't imagine him getting the new, lucrative contract he wants at this point in his career. Any thoughts?

 
wefcpa said:
What are people's thoughts and opinions on Joey Porter for the upcoming year. Part of me would hate to see them part ways. But I also can't imagine him getting the new, lucrative contract he wants at this point in his career. Any thoughts?
I don't mind him staying for another year, but if they resign him it will be a very bad move. He's been quoted as saying he'd like to be paid top five money, and taking into account the number of players who will be entering there 2nd contracts soon you don't tie anything close to that much money up in Porter. They just finally over the effects of Jason Gildon's contract.
 
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Steelers look to be sticking with 3-4.

Wexell's story
I also wouldn't put to much stock in that. The personnel people for the Steelers are still the same and while we always credited Bill for smoke screening players he liked, I think the Steelers will still be doing everything they can to keep from tipping their hats. There’s always pro-days.
 
wefcpa said:
What are people's thoughts and opinions on Joey Porter for the upcoming year. Part of me would hate to see them part ways. But I also can't imagine him getting the new, lucrative contract he wants at this point in his career. Any thoughts?
I don't mind him staying for another year, but if they resign him it will be a very bad move. He's been quoted as saying he'd like to be paid top five money, and taking into account the number of players who will be entering there 2nd contracts soon you don't tie anything close to that much money up in Porter. They just finally over the effects of Jason Gildon's contract.
I agree. Pay him the last year of his contract and then let the 31 year old go check out free agency next year.
 
wefcpa said:
What are people's thoughts and opinions on Joey Porter for the upcoming year. Part of me would hate to see them part ways. But I also can't imagine him getting the new, lucrative contract he wants at this point in his career. Any thoughts?
I don't mind him staying for another year, but if they resign him it will be a very bad move. He's been quoted as saying he'd like to be paid top five money, and taking into account the number of players who will be entering there 2nd contracts soon you don't tie anything close to that much money up in Porter. They just finally over the effects of Jason Gildon's contract.
I agree. Pay him the last year of his contract and then let the 31 year old go check out free agency next year.
I think this would be the right move for the Steelers but something about Porter's attitude won't let me think this will happen. Especially with Cowher gone.
 
wefcpa said:
What are people's thoughts and opinions on Joey Porter for the upcoming year. Part of me would hate to see them part ways. But I also can't imagine him getting the new, lucrative contract he wants at this point in his career. Any thoughts?
I don't mind him staying for another year, but if they resign him it will be a very bad move. He's been quoted as saying he'd like to be paid top five money, and taking into account the number of players who will be entering there 2nd contracts soon you don't tie anything close to that much money up in Porter. They just finally over the effects of Jason Gildon's contract.
I agree. Pay him the last year of his contract and then let the 31 year old go check out free agency next year.
I agree, but I think that he holds out if the Steelers play it that way...
 
I don't really see any conflict at all. If he holds out, then he misses a year. We cannot afford to give him his payday with his best years behind him, when we have Troy and Ben needing new contracts soon...

 
I don't really see any conflict at all. If he holds out, then he misses a year. We cannot afford to give him his payday with his best years behind him, when we have Troy and Ben needing new contracts soon...
They would cut him to save the cap space instead of letting him holdout and count $4.5M, no?
 
I'll let someone who is better versed in cap intricacies speak to this, but are you sure he counts towards cap space as a holdout?
I believe if Porter is a hold out that he will still count against the cap, which would be $6.1 million If the Steelers release him then his cap hit would be the final year of the prorated portion of his signing bonus which I believe is about $1.3 million.
 
I'll let someone who is better versed in cap intricacies speak to this, but are you sure he counts towards cap space as a holdout?
I believe if Porter is a hold out that he will still count against the cap, which would be $6.1 million If the Steelers release him then his cap hit would be the final year of the prorated portion of his signing bonus which I believe is about $1.3 million.
I believe this is correct. There's also a new rule that came in with last year's CBA that says each team can release one (or maybe two) players prior to June 1 and show the transaction as occurring post June 1. That would mean we could split the cap hit we're on the hook for over two seasons (2007 and 2008).All told, though, I think the real question lies with Joey Porter. If he's willing to play for the money on the table in light of his sub-par season last year (or his opportunity to become an FA at the end of the year -- however he wants to rationalize it) and not sulk or raise a stink about it, I think we keep him for 2007 with the idea that he'll be gone as an FA in 2008. If he will not commit to that, then we need to go ahead and cut him. The March 6 date for the $1 million bonus might not be as big a deal as we think, though -- Mike Tomlin's quote on the situation:

"A lot of times, if you slow the process down and watch it unfold, the decisions become clearer to you, so I'm taking that approach," said Tomlin. "I'm not going to prejudge anyone or any situation."
I just can't express how much respect I've got for the philosophy that Tomlin is espousing right now. I just hope it translates as well as I think it will into quick success on the field.ETA: Finally found a non-PFT link to document the new CBA rule (scroll down to 1.14 #6): http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/faq.asp

 
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Do you think Tomlin and LeBeau could create the new thing on defense? With those two minds at work, and Troy in the gameplan....look out. Could be sort of a cover two, with multiple blitz packages. :lmao:

 
The question about Porter?

Put aside whats best for the Steelers and consider what is best for him.

Not having a good season last year, and then a holdout this season, would only decrease his worth on the FA market. I see it in his best interest this year to take what he can get and try to redeem himself from last season's performance.

If he's thinking about the long run, I see this as his best bet for getting more money.

 
I wouldnt be surprised if Porter is cut. Think about it, pay Porter his 1.3 million and sign a few good young guys with the remaining 3.7 mil, or spend it all on a LB that underperformed last year. Now, Im not sure if the Quality Control guys think there are any FAs or upcoming rooks worth that, who would fill in Porter's shoes, but there are hundreds of guys out there, Porter has proved he was one of the best, Was being the key word. Look at what happened with Kirkland, we didnt wanna see him go, but we all knew it was time, in his place, it set up the position for Porter to come in, so sometimes its neccessary.

 
I wouldnt be surprised if Porter is cut. Think about it, pay Porter his 1.3 million and sign a few good young guys with the remaining 3.7 mil, or spend it all on a LB that underperformed last year. Now, Im not sure if the Quality Control guys think there are any FAs or upcoming rooks worth that, who would fill in Porter's shoes, but there are hundreds of guys out there, Porter has proved he was one of the best, Was being the key word. Look at what happened with Kirkland, we didnt wanna see him go, but we all knew it was time, in his place, it set up the position for Porter to come in, so sometimes its neccessary.
Kirkland played inside and Porter is outside, but I agree that nobody wanted Levon to leave, but it was clearly his time to go at the price/age he was at.
 
I wouldnt be surprised if Porter is cut. Think about it, pay Porter his 1.3 million and sign a few good young guys with the remaining 3.7 mil, or spend it all on a LB that underperformed last year. Now, Im not sure if the Quality Control guys think there are any FAs or upcoming rooks worth that, who would fill in Porter's shoes, but there are hundreds of guys out there, Porter has proved he was one of the best, Was being the key word. Look at what happened with Kirkland, we didnt wanna see him go, but we all knew it was time, in his place, it set up the position for Porter to come in, so sometimes its neccessary.
If the Steelers cut Porter before March 6th they won't actually be paying him anything. He will still count $1.3 million against the cap though due to the remainder of his signing bonus. If the Steelers don't cut Porter then of course they'll have to pay him his salary and his cap hit will be $6.1 million.I think the Steelers would love to keep him but that $6.1 million cap hit is just too much. I think Porter's days as a Steeler are numbered.

 
I wouldnt be surprised if Porter is cut. Think about it, pay Porter his 1.3 million and sign a few good young guys with the remaining 3.7 mil, or spend it all on a LB that underperformed last year. Now, Im not sure if the Quality Control guys think there are any FAs or upcoming rooks worth that, who would fill in Porter's shoes, but there are hundreds of guys out there, Porter has proved he was one of the best, Was being the key word. Look at what happened with Kirkland, we didnt wanna see him go, but we all knew it was time, in his place, it set up the position for Porter to come in, so sometimes its neccessary.
If the Steelers cut Porter before March 6th they won't actually be paying him anything. He will still count $1.3 million against the cap though due to the remainder of his signing bonus. If the Steelers don't cut Porter then of course they'll have to pay him his salary and his cap hit will be $6.1 million.I think the Steelers would love to keep him but that $6.1 million cap hit is just too much. I think Porter's days as a Steeler are numbered.
Looks like I'll have to go out and get another jersey for gameday. :unsure:
 
DE Aaron Smith & Steelers agree on 4 year deal. Just on ESPN ticker.

More evidence of the 3-4.

Now with fresh link
Yes and no. Tomlin has said that Smith could play the 3-technique as DT
Agreed. Too early to tell what Tomlin and LeBeau are up to.Aaron Smith's cap hit was going to be close to $7 million for 2007. No doubt this extension will reduce that to a more managable amount.

 
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DE Aaron Smith & Steelers agree on 4 year deal. Just on ESPN ticker.

More evidence of the 3-4.

Now with fresh link
Yes and no. Tomlin has said that Smith could play the 3-technique as DT
Agreed. Too early to tell what Tomlin and LeBeau are up to.Aaron Smith's cap hit was going to be close to $7 million for 2007. No doubt this extension will reduce that to a more managable amount.
What I've heard is that the Steelers could put A.Smith as a DE in the 3-4 or a DT in the 4-3.But locking him up long term is a definite :goodposting:

 
I caught PG columnist Ron Cook on WPN last night. He said that Ed Bouchette and he agree that Joey Porter is likely to be cut, maybe as soon as tomorrow.

 
I caught PG columnist Ron Cook on WPN last night. He said that Ed Bouchette and he agree that Joey Porter is likely to be cut, maybe as soon as tomorrow.
This is probably the best move for the Steelers considering his cap number for this year, his performance last year, his age, and his comments about how this is a business and how he needs to do what's best for my family. I don't fault the guy for wanting to get the biggest paycheck he can, but it won't be in Pittsburgh.I love that Bettis never thought that way and took less money than he could on the open market twice(IIRC). It's one of the reasons Steeler fans like him so much IMO and I wish more players had that attitude.
 
Interesting commentary from the NY Daily News:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/501388p-422803c.html

Defensive end Kimo von Oelhoffen, the Jets' most expensive free-agent addition from last year, also is in serious jeopardy of being released if he doesn't take a pay cut. He's due a $600,000 roster bonus by Friday. The Jets overpaid for von Oelhoffen, 36, giving the ex-Steeler a $3.2 million signing bonus. He was a major disappointment as a full-time starter, managing only 28 tackles and one sack in 16 games.
 
Interesting commentary from the NY Daily News:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/501388p-422803c.html

Defensive end Kimo von Oelhoffen, the Jets' most expensive free-agent addition from last year, also is in serious jeopardy of being released if he doesn't take a pay cut. He's due a $600,000 roster bonus by Friday. The Jets overpaid for von Oelhoffen, 36, giving the ex-Steeler a $3.2 million signing bonus. He was a major disappointment as a full-time starter, managing only 28 tackles and one sack in 16 games.
Yeah, I remember being :whistle: when I saw the Jets offer to von Oelhoffen last season.
 
The Jets just like overpaying for our FA after Super Bowl years, remember Neil Odonnell's contract?

I don't care about the numbers right now, I want J Porter to stay a Steeler.

 
I think its best for the Steelers that Porter leaves, perhaps if he renegotiates they can work something out...for right now 6.1 is rediculous for an aging LB. Its time to rebuild to keep up with everyone else.

 
I wanted to keep Porter, even if his skills have diminished, I figured he has intimate knowledge of the D, which would make up for any physical skills he may or may not have lost. I though that training a rookie or young FA would take away from the position significantly.

However, now we have a change in the D's playbook with Tomlin at the helm, and Porter would have to learn the new D anyway, this is as good a time as any to lose him if we must.

I'd like to see him stay for at least one more season just to see if last season's performance was a fluke, but not at a hefty price tag.

 
I wanted to keep Porter, even if his skills have diminished, I figured he has intimate knowledge of the D, which would make up for any physical skills he may or may not have lost. I though that training a rookie or young FA would take away from the position significantly. However, now we have a change in the D's playbook with Tomlin at the helm, and Porter would have to learn the new D anyway, this is as good a time as any to lose him if we must. I'd like to see him stay for at least one more season just to see if last season's performance was a fluke, but not at a hefty price tag.
LeBeau is still the DC, so I doubt it will be an entirely new defensive scheme next yr. Definitely will be some tweaks and different looks on defense, but I don't consider that a change in defensive philosphy. I would be suprised if Porter is cut. His play was down a yr ago, but that would leave the Steelers thin at lb IMO. The only way I see Porter getting cut is if the Rooneys are convinced that he will hold out this season because I don't think that he is getting his contract redone.
 
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Other interesting things in that article too:

Steelers cut Joey Porter

Thursday, March 01, 2007

By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Steelers today released linebacker Joey Porter, their best overall defensive player in the 21st century whose play helped win them a Super Bowl 13 months ago.

Porter, 29, was due a $1 million roster bonus by Tuesday and $4 million in salary in the final year of his contract. That, coupled with the fact he was a potential contract holdout this year, prompted the Steelers to release him.

Porter has been their starting right outside linebacker since 2000, the year after they drafted him.

The Steelers also released veteran backup halfback Verron Haynes and issued qualifying offers to tackle Max Starks and quarterback Brian St. Pierre, maintaining their rights to match any team's offer to the restricted free agents.

Kevin Colbert, the team's director of football operations, said they will try to re-sign Haynes, who is injured, later this year.

"Just let me say that releasing a player like Joey Porter who has meant so much to this franchise and obviously helped us win a Super Bowl championship is not easy to do," Colbert said. "It's some of the decisions that you have to make under this current system."

By releasing Porter, the Steelers were able to get under the NFL's $109 million salary cap which they are required to do by Friday, when the league's new calendar begins and the free agency signing period starts.

"It's definitely a cap-related issue where we needed some short-term relief, but we also had to factor in what our cap situation's going to be in '08, '09 and beyond," Colbert said.

Starks, who received a one-year contract tender of $1.85 million from the Steelers, would bring the team a first-round draft choice if they decline to match a contract he would sign with another team as a restricted free agent. St. Pierre received a one-year tender of $850,000 and would bring the Steelers a fifth-round pick if he signed elsewhere and they did not match.
I'm a little surprised that Haynes got the axe.
 
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Other interesting things in that article too:

Steelers cut Joey Porter

Thursday, March 01, 2007

By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Steelers today released linebacker Joey Porter, their best overall defensive player in the 21st century whose play helped win them a Super Bowl 13 months ago.

Porter, 29, was due a $1 million roster bonus by Tuesday and $4 million in salary in the final year of his contract. That, coupled with the fact he was a potential contract holdout this year, prompted the Steelers to release him.

Porter has been their starting right outside linebacker since 2000, the year after they drafted him.

The Steelers also released veteran backup halfback Verron Haynes and issued qualifying offers to tackle Max Starks and quarterback Brian St. Pierre, maintaining their rights to match any team's offer to the restricted free agents.

Kevin Colbert, the team's director of football operations, said they will try to re-sign Haynes, who is injured, later this year.

"Just let me say that releasing a player like Joey Porter who has meant so much to this franchise and obviously helped us win a Super Bowl championship is not easy to do," Colbert said. "It's some of the decisions that you have to make under this current system."

By releasing Porter, the Steelers were able to get under the NFL's $109 million salary cap which they are required to do by Friday, when the league's new calendar begins and the free agency signing period starts.

"It's definitely a cap-related issue where we needed some short-term relief, but we also had to factor in what our cap situation's going to be in '08, '09 and beyond," Colbert said.

Starks, who received a one-year contract tender of $1.85 million from the Steelers, would bring the team a first-round draft choice if they decline to match a contract he would sign with another team as a restricted free agent. St. Pierre received a one-year tender of $850,000 and would bring the Steelers a fifth-round pick if he signed elsewhere and they did not match.
I'm a little surprised that Haynes got the axe.
Maybe they feel that Davenport can get the job done, or they may look to the draft for depth.
 
Cutting Haynes certainly makes me think they are going to play the FA game for a RB. After 4 years of rumors, could it finally be time for TJD in pittsburgh?

 
I agree, Hank -- some Davenport info this afternoon on PFT:

NO JAMAL IN THE 'BURGH

When news of the release of Ravens running back Jamal Lewis hit the wire on Wednesday, many Steelers fans began to salivate regarding the possibility of landing Lewis. With Jerome Bettis long gone and no proven power back on the roster, Lewis could, in theory, be a great complement to starter Willie Parker.

But don't look for the Steelers to sign Lewis. Per a league source, the Steelers won't be sniffing around the single-game rushing record holder, due in large part to drug charges that landed him in jail two years ago.

We're also told that the Steelers are close to re-signing running back Najeh "Dookie" Davenport, who has had his own legal problems arising from the laying of colonic cable in a dorm room hamper several years ago. With Davenport on the team, there's simply no spot for Lewis.
 
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Porter's release really comes as no surprise. His cap hit was going to be over $6 million. There is no way they could afford him. Haynes isn't a real big surprise either. He is a decent back but has had injury problems for most of his career. If they can re-sign him later on the cheap then great, otherwise there are plenty of alternatives via the draft or FA.

The real surprise to me was the qualifying offer to Brian St. Pierre. It is not a lot of money but I didn't think there would be a big demand for his services.

 
With the release of Porter, I think that this signals that the Steelers will most likely go with a physical 4-3 DE, to play OLB in the 3-4. Jarvis Moss comes to mind particularly. Anyone else?

 

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