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[Heinz 57]

I agree good news. Its funny that the two guys battling it out play 2 diff. positions, but both have been hurt in each of the past 3 years. I think its going to be Kreider since he is a genuine full back (the only on the team) and is more durable (minor injury history). Given that Haynes has been hurt more seriously and missed much time than Kreider, I think hes the likely cut. Haynes has actually been hurt every single year hes been in Pittsburgh! Kreider was healthy for a good 6 years! Haynes spent most of 2002 and 2003 seasons on IR, as well as all of 2006.

 

[east2west]

I agree good news. Its funny that the two guys battling it out play 2 diff. positions, but both have been hurt in each of the past 3 years. I think its going to be Kreider since he is a genuine full back (the only on the team) and is more durable (minor injury history). Given that Haynes has been hurt more seriously and missed much time than Kreider, I think hes the likely cut. Haynes has actually been hurt every single year hes been in Pittsburgh! Kreider was healthy for a good 6 years! Haynes spent most of 2002 and 2003 seasons on IR, as well as all of 2006.

I agree here I think cutting Krieder in favor of Haynes is a bad move. Kreider is just a beast. I understand that running the ball out of multiple receiver sets makes him less important, but lets not forget about goalline situations. I ask the coaches, who do you want lead blocking for you then????

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Cutting Kreider is a huge mistake. I dont like the idea of moving solely to this H-back, 2-3TE ####. I love Tomlin, but lets not forget our roots here people.

 

[Heinz 57]

Cutting Kreider is a huge mistake. I dont like the idea of moving solely to this H-back, 2-3TE ####. I love Tomlin, but lets not forget our roots here people.

Agreed. Also, I might add, though Kreider was listed on the injury report at times in the past 3 seasons, I don't believe he missed a single game.

 

[Godsbrother]

Cutting Kreider is a huge mistake. I dont like the idea of moving solely to this H-back, 2-3TE ####. I love Tomlin, but lets not forget our roots here people.

Agreed. Also, I might add, though Kreider was listed on the injury report at times in the past 3 seasons, I don't believe he missed a single game.

I am with you. I like Haynes but the dude is always injured. The Steelers aren't always going to be in the spead offense. I want Kreider around when you're at the goal line, when you're 3rd/4th down and inches, or when you just want to grind the clock out.Cutting Kreider would be a mistake IMO.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Cutting Kreider is a huge mistake. I dont like the idea of moving solely to this H-back, 2-3TE ####. I love Tomlin, but lets not forget our roots here people.

Agreed. Also, I might add, though Kreider was listed on the injury report at times in the past 3 seasons, I don't believe he missed a single game.

I am with you. I like Haynes but the dude is always injured. The Steelers aren't always going to be in the spead offense. I want Kreider around when you're at the goal line, when you're 3rd/4th down and inches, or when you just want to grind the clock out.Cutting Kreider would be a mistake IMO.

I agree 100%. I'd hate to see Haynes go - he can catch and run, he can pass block, and he's a good guy. However, you don't cut Kreider for Haynes. If neither Russell nor Davis can do what Haynes does, cut one of them. The question is : why do they need Haynes when they have Davenport? I thought Najeh's role was to be basically what Haynes' role would theoretically be. If you're keeping Davis and Russell for their ability to make plays, then Haynes has to be the odd man out. You don't cut your hammer when you have no one else with that skill set.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Cutting Kreider is a huge mistake. I dont like the idea of moving solely to this H-back, 2-3TE ####. I love Tomlin, but lets not forget our roots here people.

Agreed. Also, I might add, though Kreider was listed on the injury report at times in the past 3 seasons, I don't believe he missed a single game.

I am with you. I like Haynes but the dude is always injured. The Steelers aren't always going to be in the spead offense. I want Kreider around when you're at the goal line, when you're 3rd/4th down and inches, or when you just want to grind the clock out.Cutting Kreider would be a mistake IMO.

I agree 100%. I'd hate to see Haynes go - he can catch and run, he can pass block, and he's a good guy. However, you don't cut Kreider for Haynes. If neither Russell nor Davis can do what Haynes does, cut one of them. The question is : why do they need Haynes when they have Davenport? I thought Najeh's role was to be basically what Haynes' role would theoretically be. If you're keeping Davis and Russell for their ability to make plays, then Haynes has to be the odd man out. You don't cut your hammer when you have no one else with that skill set.

Davis can play both HB and FB and has been a monster on special teams thus far. I'm not sure about his pass catching. He can essentially fill 3 spots though and has played so well I think he def. is a keeper over Haynes and can do a lot of what Haynes can do. Russell I dont know about, but the way he has been running, he wont clear waivers. He has the most potential, so he makes the team as well. Being that Davis can do what Haynes does and so can Davenport, but neither can block like Kreider, I think it is an easy decision to cut Haynes and keep Kreider. If the 5 RBs arent Parker, Davenport, Davis, Russell, and Kreider I will be very surprised, disappointed, and leary.

 

[Godsbrother]

Cutting Kreider is a huge mistake. I dont like the idea of moving solely to this H-back, 2-3TE ####. I love Tomlin, but lets not forget our roots here people.

Agreed. Also, I might add, though Kreider was listed on the injury report at times in the past 3 seasons, I don't believe he missed a single game.

I am with you. I like Haynes but the dude is always injured. The Steelers aren't always going to be in the spead offense. I want Kreider around when you're at the goal line, when you're 3rd/4th down and inches, or when you just want to grind the clock out.Cutting Kreider would be a mistake IMO.

I agree 100%. I'd hate to see Haynes go - he can catch and run, he can pass block, and he's a good guy. However, you don't cut Kreider for Haynes. If neither Russell nor Davis can do what Haynes does, cut one of them. The question is : why do they need Haynes when they have Davenport? I thought Najeh's role was to be basically what Haynes' role would theoretically be. If you're keeping Davis and Russell for their ability to make plays, then Haynes has to be the odd man out. You don't cut your hammer when you have no one else with that skill set.

Davis can play both HB and FB and has been a monster on special teams thus far. I'm not sure about his pass catching. He can essentially fill 3 spots though and has played so well I think he def. is a keeper over Haynes and can do a lot of what Haynes can do. Russell I dont know about, but the way he has been running, he wont clear waivers. He has the most potential, so he makes the team as well. Being that Davis can do what Haynes does and so can Davenport, but neither can block like Kreider, I think it is an easy decision to cut Haynes and keep Kreider. If the 5 RBs arent Parker, Davenport, Davis, Russell, and Kreider I will be very surprised, disappointed, and leary.

You said it all.

 

[CrossEyed]

I agree that Haynes should probably be the one to go. With Davenport, Russell and Davis on the roster what role does Haynes even have?

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Cutting Kreider is a huge mistake. I dont like the idea of moving solely to this H-back, 2-3TE ####. I love Tomlin, but lets not forget our roots here people.

Agreed. Also, I might add, though Kreider was listed on the injury report at times in the past 3 seasons, I don't believe he missed a single game.

I am with you. I like Haynes but the dude is always injured. The Steelers aren't always going to be in the spead offense. I want Kreider around when you're at the goal line, when you're 3rd/4th down and inches, or when you just want to grind the clock out.Cutting Kreider would be a mistake IMO.

I agree 100%. I'd hate to see Haynes go - he can catch and run, he can pass block, and he's a good guy. However, you don't cut Kreider for Haynes. If neither Russell nor Davis can do what Haynes does, cut one of them. The question is : why do they need Haynes when they have Davenport? I thought Najeh's role was to be basically what Haynes' role would theoretically be. If you're keeping Davis and Russell for their ability to make plays, then Haynes has to be the odd man out. You don't cut your hammer when you have no one else with that skill set.

Davis can play both HB and FB and has been a monster on special teams thus far. I'm not sure about his pass catching. He can essentially fill 3 spots though and has played so well I think he def. is a keeper over Haynes and can do a lot of what Haynes can do. Russell I dont know about, but the way he has been running, he wont clear waivers. He has the most potential, so he makes the team as well. Being that Davis can do what Haynes does and so can Davenport, but neither can block like Kreider, I think it is an easy decision to cut Haynes and keep Kreider. If the 5 RBs arent Parker, Davenport, Davis, Russell, and Kreider I will be very surprised, disappointed, and leary.

I think we're all in agreement here.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Basically in agreement with everyone here. Haynes has value, if healthy, but Davis and Dookie both bring pretty much the same skillset(and Davis brings it cheaper). If for no other reason, Krieder needs to be kept just for the fact that he makes Ray Lewis his kitty every year.

Russell may not block as well as Haynes or Davenport or play ST like Haynes or Davis(or even Dookie)....but the fact of the matter is that he's probably the 2nd best "pure" runner on the roster at present. Decisive. Good vision. Two things that are lacking in Davenport's game, in particular, and he's the current RB2. Russell will NOT make it to the practice squad if they cut him. I think his potential is too high to risk that. It's as simple as that.

 

[mcintyre1]

Basically in agreement with everyone here. Haynes has value, if healthy, but Davis and Dookie both bring pretty much the same skillset(and Davis brings it cheaper). If for no other reason, Krieder needs to be kept just for the fact that he makes Ray Lewis his kitty every year.

Russell may not block as well as Haynes or Davenport or play ST like Haynes or Davis(or even Dookie)....but the fact of the matter is that he's probably the 2nd best "pure" runner on the roster at present. Decisive. Good vision. Two things that are lacking in Davenport's game, in particular, and he's the current RB2. Russell will NOT make it to the practice squad if they cut him. I think his potential is too high to risk that. It's as simple as that.

He does, actually. He recorded at least one tackle on kick-off coverage.

 

[apalmer]

Cutting Kreider is a huge mistake. I dont like the idea of moving solely to this H-back, 2-3TE ####. I love Tomlin, but lets not forget our roots here people.

Agreed. Also, I might add, though Kreider was listed on the injury report at times in the past 3 seasons, I don't believe he missed a single game.

I am with you. I like Haynes but the dude is always injured. The Steelers aren't always going to be in the spead offense. I want Kreider around when you're at the goal line, when you're 3rd/4th down and inches, or when you just want to grind the clock out.Cutting Kreider would be a mistake IMO.

I agree 100%. I'd hate to see Haynes go - he can catch and run, he can pass block, and he's a good guy. However, you don't cut Kreider for Haynes. If neither Russell nor Davis can do what Haynes does, cut one of them. The question is : why do they need Haynes when they have Davenport? I thought Najeh's role was to be basically what Haynes' role would theoretically be. If you're keeping Davis and Russell for their ability to make plays, then Haynes has to be the odd man out. You don't cut your hammer when you have no one else with that skill set.

Davis can play both HB and FB and has been a monster on special teams thus far. I'm not sure about his pass catching. He can essentially fill 3 spots though and has played so well I think he def. is a keeper over Haynes and can do a lot of what Haynes can do. Russell I dont know about, but the way he has been running, he wont clear waivers. He has the most potential, so he makes the team as well. Being that Davis can do what Haynes does and so can Davenport, but neither can block like Kreider, I think it is an easy decision to cut Haynes and keep Kreider. If the 5 RBs arent Parker, Davenport, Davis, Russell, and Kreider I will be very surprised, disappointed, and leary.

I think we're all in agreement here.

Maybe we should call Tomlin and make sure he knows.

 

[3C's]

Cutting Kreider is a huge mistake. I dont like the idea of moving solely to this H-back, 2-3TE ####. I love Tomlin, but lets not forget our roots here people.

Agreed. Also, I might add, though Kreider was listed on the injury report at times in the past 3 seasons, I don't believe he missed a single game.

I am with you. I like Haynes but the dude is always injured. The Steelers aren't always going to be in the spead offense. I want Kreider around when you're at the goal line, when you're 3rd/4th down and inches, or when you just want to grind the clock out.Cutting Kreider would be a mistake IMO.

I agree 100%. I'd hate to see Haynes go - he can catch and run, he can pass block, and he's a good guy. However, you don't cut Kreider for Haynes. If neither Russell nor Davis can do what Haynes does, cut one of them. The question is : why do they need Haynes when they have Davenport? I thought Najeh's role was to be basically what Haynes' role would theoretically be. If you're keeping Davis and Russell for their ability to make plays, then Haynes has to be the odd man out. You don't cut your hammer when you have no one else with that skill set.

Davis can play both HB and FB and has been a monster on special teams thus far. I'm not sure about his pass catching. He can essentially fill 3 spots though and has played so well I think he def. is a keeper over Haynes and can do a lot of what Haynes can do. Russell I dont know about, but the way he has been running, he wont clear waivers. He has the most potential, so he makes the team as well. Being that Davis can do what Haynes does and so can Davenport, but neither can block like Kreider, I think it is an easy decision to cut Haynes and keep Kreider. If the 5 RBs arent Parker, Davenport, Davis, Russell, and Kreider I will be very surprised, disappointed, and leary.

I think we're all in agreement here.

Ok, I'll be the contrarian then. Why not cut Davenport?

 

[CrossEyed]

Cutting Kreider is a huge mistake. I dont like the idea of moving solely to this H-back, 2-3TE ####. I love Tomlin, but lets not forget our roots here people.

Agreed. Also, I might add, though Kreider was listed on the injury report at times in the past 3 seasons, I don't believe he missed a single game.

I am with you. I like Haynes but the dude is always injured. The Steelers aren't always going to be in the spead offense. I want Kreider around when you're at the goal line, when you're 3rd/4th down and inches, or when you just want to grind the clock out.Cutting Kreider would be a mistake IMO.

I agree 100%. I'd hate to see Haynes go - he can catch and run, he can pass block, and he's a good guy. However, you don't cut Kreider for Haynes. If neither Russell nor Davis can do what Haynes does, cut one of them. The question is : why do they need Haynes when they have Davenport? I thought Najeh's role was to be basically what Haynes' role would theoretically be. If you're keeping Davis and Russell for their ability to make plays, then Haynes has to be the odd man out. You don't cut your hammer when you have no one else with that skill set.

Davis can play both HB and FB and has been a monster on special teams thus far. I'm not sure about his pass catching. He can essentially fill 3 spots though and has played so well I think he def. is a keeper over Haynes and can do a lot of what Haynes can do. Russell I dont know about, but the way he has been running, he wont clear waivers. He has the most potential, so he makes the team as well. Being that Davis can do what Haynes does and so can Davenport, but neither can block like Kreider, I think it is an easy decision to cut Haynes and keep Kreider. If the 5 RBs arent Parker, Davenport, Davis, Russell, and Kreider I will be very surprised, disappointed, and leary.

I think we're all in agreement here.

Ok, I'll be the contrarian then. Why not cut Davenport?

Why would they cut him, he's played pretty well as a Steeler.

 

[3C's]

Cutting Kreider is a huge mistake. I dont like the idea of moving solely to this H-back, 2-3TE ####. I love Tomlin, but lets not forget our roots here people.

Agreed. Also, I might add, though Kreider was listed on the injury report at times in the past 3 seasons, I don't believe he missed a single game.

I am with you. I like Haynes but the dude is always injured. The Steelers aren't always going to be in the spead offense. I want Kreider around when you're at the goal line, when you're 3rd/4th down and inches, or when you just want to grind the clock out.Cutting Kreider would be a mistake IMO.

I agree 100%. I'd hate to see Haynes go - he can catch and run, he can pass block, and he's a good guy. However, you don't cut Kreider for Haynes. If neither Russell nor Davis can do what Haynes does, cut one of them. The question is : why do they need Haynes when they have Davenport? I thought Najeh's role was to be basically what Haynes' role would theoretically be. If you're keeping Davis and Russell for their ability to make plays, then Haynes has to be the odd man out. You don't cut your hammer when you have no one else with that skill set.

Davis can play both HB and FB and has been a monster on special teams thus far. I'm not sure about his pass catching. He can essentially fill 3 spots though and has played so well I think he def. is a keeper over Haynes and can do a lot of what Haynes can do. Russell I dont know about, but the way he has been running, he wont clear waivers. He has the most potential, so he makes the team as well. Being that Davis can do what Haynes does and so can Davenport, but neither can block like Kreider, I think it is an easy decision to cut Haynes and keep Kreider. If the 5 RBs arent Parker, Davenport, Davis, Russell, and Kreider I will be very surprised, disappointed, and leary.

I think we're all in agreement here.

Ok, I'll be the contrarian then. Why not cut Davenport?

Why would they cut him, he's played pretty well as a Steeler.

Does he do anything Haynes can't?

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Haynes has never pooped in a laundry basket, to my recollection.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Also, when are the roster trims?

 

[CrossEyed]

Cutting Kreider is a huge mistake. I dont like the idea of moving solely to this H-back, 2-3TE ####. I love Tomlin, but lets not forget our roots here people.

Agreed. Also, I might add, though Kreider was listed on the injury report at times in the past 3 seasons, I don't believe he missed a single game.

I am with you. I like Haynes but the dude is always injured. The Steelers aren't always going to be in the spead offense. I want Kreider around when you're at the goal line, when you're 3rd/4th down and inches, or when you just want to grind the clock out.Cutting Kreider would be a mistake IMO.

I agree 100%. I'd hate to see Haynes go - he can catch and run, he can pass block, and he's a good guy. However, you don't cut Kreider for Haynes. If neither Russell nor Davis can do what Haynes does, cut one of them. The question is : why do they need Haynes when they have Davenport? I thought Najeh's role was to be basically what Haynes' role would theoretically be. If you're keeping Davis and Russell for their ability to make plays, then Haynes has to be the odd man out. You don't cut your hammer when you have no one else with that skill set.

Davis can play both HB and FB and has been a monster on special teams thus far. I'm not sure about his pass catching. He can essentially fill 3 spots though and has played so well I think he def. is a keeper over Haynes and can do a lot of what Haynes can do. Russell I dont know about, but the way he has been running, he wont clear waivers. He has the most potential, so he makes the team as well. Being that Davis can do what Haynes does and so can Davenport, but neither can block like Kreider, I think it is an easy decision to cut Haynes and keep Kreider. If the 5 RBs arent Parker, Davenport, Davis, Russell, and Kreider I will be very surprised, disappointed, and leary.

I think we're all in agreement here.

Ok, I'll be the contrarian then. Why not cut Davenport?

Why would they cut him, he's played pretty well as a Steeler.

Does he do anything Haynes can't?

Does Haynes do anything that Davenport can't? Haynes has been hurt as much as anyone and there must be a reason that the coaching staff has Najeh as the primary backup at this point.

 

[CrossEyed]

Also, when are the roster trims?

Aug. 28 - Roster cutdown to 75 players.Sept. 1 - Roster cutdown to 53 players.

 

[3C's]

Cutting Kreider is a huge mistake. I dont like the idea of moving solely to this H-back, 2-3TE ####. I love Tomlin, but lets not forget our roots here people.

Agreed. Also, I might add, though Kreider was listed on the injury report at times in the past 3 seasons, I don't believe he missed a single game.

I am with you. I like Haynes but the dude is always injured. The Steelers aren't always going to be in the spead offense. I want Kreider around when you're at the goal line, when you're 3rd/4th down and inches, or when you just want to grind the clock out.Cutting Kreider would be a mistake IMO.

I agree 100%. I'd hate to see Haynes go - he can catch and run, he can pass block, and he's a good guy. However, you don't cut Kreider for Haynes. If neither Russell nor Davis can do what Haynes does, cut one of them. The question is : why do they need Haynes when they have Davenport? I thought Najeh's role was to be basically what Haynes' role would theoretically be. If you're keeping Davis and Russell for their ability to make plays, then Haynes has to be the odd man out. You don't cut your hammer when you have no one else with that skill set.

Davis can play both HB and FB and has been a monster on special teams thus far. I'm not sure about his pass catching. He can essentially fill 3 spots though and has played so well I think he def. is a keeper over Haynes and can do a lot of what Haynes can do. Russell I dont know about, but the way he has been running, he wont clear waivers. He has the most potential, so he makes the team as well. Being that Davis can do what Haynes does and so can Davenport, but neither can block like Kreider, I think it is an easy decision to cut Haynes and keep Kreider. If the 5 RBs arent Parker, Davenport, Davis, Russell, and Kreider I will be very surprised, disappointed, and leary.

I think we're all in agreement here.

Ok, I'll be the contrarian then. Why not cut Davenport?

Why would they cut him, he's played pretty well as a Steeler.

Does he do anything Haynes can't?

Does Haynes do anything that Davenport can't? Haynes has been hurt as much as anyone and there must be a reason that the coaching staff has Najeh as the primary backup at this point.

I think Haynes is better in every facet. Better receiver, better runner, better blocker, better on ST. Health is a concern though.

 

[Irish]

Cutting Kreider is a huge mistake. I dont like the idea of moving solely to this H-back, 2-3TE ####. I love Tomlin, but lets not forget our roots here people.

Agreed. Also, I might add, though Kreider was listed on the injury report at times in the past 3 seasons, I don't believe he missed a single game.

I am with you. I like Haynes but the dude is always injured. The Steelers aren't always going to be in the spead offense. I want Kreider around when you're at the goal line, when you're 3rd/4th down and inches, or when you just want to grind the clock out.Cutting Kreider would be a mistake IMO.

I agree 100%. I'd hate to see Haynes go - he can catch and run, he can pass block, and he's a good guy. However, you don't cut Kreider for Haynes. If neither Russell nor Davis can do what Haynes does, cut one of them. The question is : why do they need Haynes when they have Davenport? I thought Najeh's role was to be basically what Haynes' role would theoretically be. If you're keeping Davis and Russell for their ability to make plays, then Haynes has to be the odd man out. You don't cut your hammer when you have no one else with that skill set.

Davis can play both HB and FB and has been a monster on special teams thus far. I'm not sure about his pass catching. He can essentially fill 3 spots though and has played so well I think he def. is a keeper over Haynes and can do a lot of what Haynes can do. Russell I dont know about, but the way he has been running, he wont clear waivers. He has the most potential, so he makes the team as well. Being that Davis can do what Haynes does and so can Davenport, but neither can block like Kreider, I think it is an easy decision to cut Haynes and keep Kreider. If the 5 RBs arent Parker, Davenport, Davis, Russell, and Kreider I will be very surprised, disappointed, and leary.

I think we're all in agreement here.

Maybe we should call Tomlin and make sure he knows.

While you have him on the phone tell him to throw the damn ball to H. Miller.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Steelers' Timmons proves to be quick study

Saturday, August 25, 2007

By Gerry Dulac, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Coach Mike Tomlin cautioned several weeks ago not to give up on Lawrence Timmons, and he wasn't just feigning optimism or sympathy for the Steelers' No. 1 draft pick.

Despite missing the entire offseason conditioning program and more than the first two weeks of training camp, Timmons is doing a good job of playing catch-up at outside linebacker in the Steelers' defense -- so much so his coaches have not ruled out the possibility of him playing every bit as much this season as the team's other rookie outside linebacker, LaMarr Woodley.

"We're seeing him catch up, but that's pretty much what we expected," Tomlin said. "He's a sharp guy, a very talented guy. All he needed to do is get back on the field."

In his first preseason game against the Washington Redskins, Timmons did not have to wait long to get on the field, being inserted in the nickel defense on the first defensive series and rushing the passer.

In the fourth quarter, when the Redskins were trying to rally for a late score, Timmons was dropping into coverage downfield and running with tight ends, running backs and, yes, wide receivers.

"I'm getting there," said Timmons, the 15th overall selection in the NFL draft. "I'm glad they give me an opportunity like that. I'm trying to help them out and live up to the aspirations they have for me in this defense."

He will get more playing time tomorrow night when the Steelers (2-1) face the Philadelphia Eagles (1-1) in a preseason game at Heinz Field, but his role will be slightly different. Timmons will continue to get some snaps in the nickel defense, but Tomlin said he will get a more extensive look in the base defense with the second unit.

"Last week, we played him in packages where we wanted him to get out there and play and not worry too much about situational things, assignment things," Tomlin said. "We cut some of those things down so he could turn it loose and play. This week, we're going to take the training wheels off him, and he's going to play in all phases of the defense with the second group."

Timmons' chances of being a contributor this season appeared to diminish when, three days into training camp, he aggravated the same groin injury that caused him to miss nearly the entire offseason program.

After missing the next two weeks of camp, Timmons went to Dr. William Meyers, a noted groin and abdominal specialist based in Philadelphia, and was diagnosed with an inflammatory condition known as osteitis pubis -- the same diagnosis he received from the Steelers. Timmons received an anti-inflammatory injection designed to expedite his return to the practice field.

Less than a week later, he was back on the practice field and back in the Steelers' plans for the regular season. So far, they have not been disappointed by what they've seen.

"He's got the explosiveness we saw in college," said linebackers coach Keith Butler. "Once he figures everything out, he'll be quicker in his play. Right now, he's slowed down because he's thinking a lot. Once he gets the feel of the defense, he'll be all right."

"He's definitely got the tools," said inside linebacker James Farrior. "The coaches wouldn't have picked him that high if he didn't. You definitely see the burst here and there, and he's supposed to be good off the edge. They'll find some way to put him on the field."

While Woodley, a converted defensive end, is used primarily as a pass-rush specialist in the nickel and dime defense, Timmons will be used in more varied roles in the sub packages because he is more accustomed to playing the outside position.

Butler said Timmons can blitz, cover running backs and tight ends, and, on occasion, run with wide receivers.

"I'm trying to be used as many places as possible," Timmons said. "I'm trying to concentrate on third-down packages and, hopefully do more in the base stuff.

"I'm definitely making progress, without a doubt. When I was out [with injury], I was still paying attention and being in meetings like everybody else. I think I'll be fine."

"When I was out [with injury], I was still paying attention and being in meetings like everybody else. I think I'll be fine."

 

[east2west]

I may be way off base here, ( if I am please let me know ) but after reading over page after page of Tomlin's quotes it seams to me that this man who has immersed himself into this team, in every little detail. I loved Bill Cowher, and still do, but in my opinion his (BC’s) comments about the team on many occasions were a bit generic. I'm not saying that Cohwer didn’t know his team, but I'm getting the feeling that Tomlin may perhaps be more detailed in his analysis of things.

 

[Pittsburgh United]

I may be way off base here, ( if I am please let me know ) but after reading over page after page of Tomlin's quotes it seams to me that this man is immersed himself into this team, in every little detail. I loved Bill Cowher, and still do, but in my opinion his (BC’s) comments about the team on many occasions were a bit generic. I'm not saying that Cohwer didn’t know his team, but I'm getting the feeling that Tomlin may perhaps be more detailed in his analysis things.

I have the same perception too. But I don't think Cowher was less immered (at least initially). I think he was just more inclined to give BS coachspeak answers. Cowher told it like it was on many issues, but when it came to talking about team specifics, he sometimes gave those gobbledy-#### mean-nothing answers that you or I could've given. So far, Tomlin seems much more direct and candid. I like it!

 

[lionsroar]

I am curious about what the homers are thinking about Cedric Wilson. I saw one preseason game where he caught 4 for 99. I thought he could be a definite sleeper. But I have also read that he is whining about not getting the ball. That probably doesn't go over well with coaches. I just think with Ward maybe losing a step and Holmes inexperience, maybe Wilson could be a nice 3rd option with a new spread offense. Maybe he could emerge as the season goes on. Any thoughts?

 

[CrossEyed]

I am curious about what the homers are thinking about Cedric Wilson. I saw one preseason game where he caught 4 for 99. I thought he could be a definite sleeper. But I have also read that he is whining about not getting the ball. That probably doesn't go over well with coaches. I just think with Ward maybe losing a step and Holmes inexperience, maybe Wilson could be a nice 3rd option with a new spread offense. Maybe he could emerge as the season goes on. Any thoughts?

I doubt there are enough footballs to go around to make Cedric a significant fantasy contributor. Ward will get his, and I think Holmes is really ready to step up to the next level. There is talk about leaving Parker in on some 3rd downs and getting the ball to him more in open space. Then you have Heath Miller, who should get more looks this year. Then again, we say that about TEs every year. This team will open it up a bit, but it's still the Pittsburgh Steelers. And I think Wilson is at best the 5th receiving option on this team.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I am curious about what the homers are thinking about Cedric Wilson. I saw one preseason game where he caught 4 for 99. I thought he could be a definite sleeper. But I have also read that he is whining about not getting the ball. That probably doesn't go over well with coaches. I just think with Ward maybe losing a step and Holmes inexperience, maybe Wilson could be a nice 3rd option with a new spread offense. Maybe he could emerge as the season goes on. Any thoughts?

Holmes has too much playmaking ability for Wilson to rise above WR3 in the Steelers' offense barring an injury. I can see him putting up #s like :28 rec 410 yds 2 TDUnless Holmes gets hurt, I wouldn't expect much more than this.

 

[Cookiemonster]

I am with you. I like Haynes but the dude is always injured. The Steelers aren't always going to be in the spead offense. I want Kreider around when you're at the goal line, when you're 3rd/4th down and inches, or when you just want to grind the clock out.Cutting Kreider would be a mistake IMO.

I agree 100%. I'd hate to see Haynes go - he can catch and run, he can pass block, and he's a good guy. However, you don't cut Kreider for Haynes. If neither Russell nor Davis can do what Haynes does, cut one of them. The question is : why do they need Haynes when they have Davenport? I thought Najeh's role was to be basically what Haynes' role would theoretically be. If you're keeping Davis and Russell for their ability to make plays, then Haynes has to be the odd man out. You don't cut your hammer when you have no one else with that skill set.

Davis can play both HB and FB and has been a monster on special teams thus far. I'm not sure about his pass catching. He can essentially fill 3 spots though and has played so well I think he def. is a keeper over Haynes and can do a lot of what Haynes can do. Russell I dont know about, but the way he has been running, he wont clear waivers. He has the most potential, so he makes the team as well. Being that Davis can do what Haynes does and so can Davenport, but neither can block like Kreider, I think it is an easy decision to cut Haynes and keep Kreider. If the 5 RBs arent Parker, Davenport, Davis, Russell, and Kreider I will be very surprised, disappointed, and leary.

I think we're all in agreement here.

Ok, I'll be the contrarian then. Why not cut Davenport?

Why would they cut him, he's played pretty well as a Steeler.

Does he do anything Haynes can't?

Does Haynes do anything that Davenport can't? Haynes has been hurt as much as anyone and there must be a reason that the coaching staff has Najeh as the primary backup at this point.

I think Haynes is better in every facet. Better receiver, better runner, better blocker, better on ST. Health is a concern though.

Not like Davenport has been a model of health though.

 

[Godsbrother]

I am curious about what the homers are thinking about Cedric Wilson. I saw one preseason game where he caught 4 for 99. I thought he could be a definite sleeper. But I have also read that he is whining about not getting the ball. That probably doesn't go over well with coaches. I just think with Ward maybe losing a step and Holmes inexperience, maybe Wilson could be a nice 3rd option with a new spread offense. Maybe he could emerge as the season goes on. Any thoughts?

Holmes has too much playmaking ability for Wilson to rise above WR3 in the Steelers' offense barring an injury. I can see him putting up #s like :28 rec 410 yds 2 TDUnless Holmes gets hurt, I wouldn't expect much more than this.

I agree although there is a good chance Wilson will be utilized in the return game so he might yield a bonus TD.BTW - I see a lot of people writing off Hines Ward this season. Ward is still #1 and will likely lead the team in receptions.

 

[Irish]

Steelers Notebook: Mahan, Colon to start 'telltale' game against EaglesSaturday, August 25, 2007By Gerry Dulac, Pittsburgh Post-GazetteOne day after Max Starks got a turn with the first-team offense, Willie Colon was back at the position and anointed the starter at right tackle for the preseason game tomorrow night against the Philadelphia Eagles at Heinz Field.Coach Mike Tomlin said center Sean Mahan also will start against the Eagles, the third game in a row he has worked with the first-team offense and another indication he has won the job from Chukky Okobi.Asked if the game will serve as a telltale for the starter at right tackle, Tomlin said, "It's a telltale game for a lot of positions, but, yes, right tackle is one of them."This will be the third consecutive start for Colon, a fourth-round draft pick in 2006. He is expected to play most, if not all, of the first half with the other starters, though Starks will be rotated into the game at right tackle."As you will see, there will be guys rolling in and competing," Tomlin said. "We want to make sure all those guys we talk about have an opportunity to show what they're capable of."Some definite plansTomlin said quarterback Ben Roethlisberger and the first-team offense will play the first half against the Eagles. Charlie Batch will replace Roethlisberger in the third quarter, but Tomlin said he likely won't play long and will give way to Brian St. Pierre and Bryan Randall.Tomlin would like to get more carries for running back Willie Parker, who had just four rushing attempts against the Washington Redskins last week."Our tentative schedule is to play them a half, but we'll play it by ear," Tomlin said."Based on how things play out, plans do change."Different routineBecause he had a full week on the South Side to prepare for a Sunday game, Tomlin said he used the time to simulate a regular week of practice and also did some game-planning for the Eagles. That's something teams rarely do in the preseason."Quite a bit more than we've done for the preseason," Tomlin said. "You got to make decisions along those lines when you're installing and zeroing in on an opponent ... giving guys things they've been working on to see how they are making plays."Injury updateTight end Jerame Tuman did not practice again and will not play against the Eagles. Same with defensive end Derek Jones, whom Tomlin said had a setback with a calf injury."He's getting close [to returning], but not close enough," Tomlin said of Tuman.Because they will have only two of their regular tight ends available, the Steelers will use a lot of two-back sets with fullbacks Dan Kreider, Carey Davis and John Kuhn."There is a plan, but we're going to let this thing play out," Tomlin said. "We'll continue to watch Dan at fullback, Carey Davis at fullback, John Kuhn at fullback and watch them sort themselves out."The past hurtsCornerback Deshea Townsend put an emphatic end to the so-called competition with Bryant McFadden at right cornerback with a strong performance against the RedskinsTownsend, who enters his 10th NFL season, said he still remembers the plays he did not make last season, such as the winning touchdown pass to tight end Antonio Gates in a loss in San Diego -- plays in which he was in the right position but failed to break up the pass."You remember all those, all of them hurt," Townsend said. "Anytime they caught a pass, a touchdown, you never want it to happen. But every year when you come to camp it makes you do things that make you a better player."Even though the plays still sting, Townsend said he would rather be in the right position and fail to make the play than be out of position and blow an assignment."You never want to blow an assignment because that's showing you're not mentally prepared. Players are going to make plays because that's their job to make plays. I would, by far, rather be right there and not make it than blow an assignment because that shows I don't care about the defense."As long as you're giving great effort ... If you're not out there doing what you're supposed to be doing or being where you're supposed to be, that's slapping the coordinator in the face and the team."

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Did anyone else who watched the game notice that in the second half of last weeks game that Timmons was lining up in bump-n-cover on WRs?And the team was acting as if it were perfectly normal? (Noone was yelling that they were misalingned or calling a time out) Though I was a bit stunned.Dont think a pass was ever completed to the WR he was covering either. This happend several times. Frenchy posted the Dulac article that talks about it...

In the fourth quarter, when the Redskins were trying to rally for a late score, Timmons was dropping into coverage downfield and running with tight ends, running backs and, yes, wide receivers.

 

[3C's]

Did anyone else who watche dthe game notice that in the second half of last weeks game that Timmons was lining up in bump-n-cover on WRs?And the team was acting as if it were perfectly normal? (Noone was yelling that they were misalingned or calling a time out) Though I was a bit stunned.Dont think a pass was ever completed to the WR he was covering either. This happend several times. Frenchy posted the Dulac article that talks about it...

In the fourth quarter, when the Redskins were trying to rally for a late score, Timmons was dropping into coverage downfield and running with tight ends, running backs and, yes, wide receivers.

He's that good.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

That's what a bunch of yahoos on another board that I frequent for Steeler news seem to ignore about Timmons, because they feel he was a reach at 15. He's very good in coverage.

He's raw as hell, and the groin thing certainly didn't help him, but this guy makes plays. I got to see him almost weekly at FSU. If he receives adequate coaching he's going to be just stupidly good in a year or two.

 

[Heinz 57]

LOLLEY AT IT AGAIN.... Here hes making his own cuts, which should be close to reality as we can expect...

With just a few more days remaining before NFL teams must trim their rosters – to 75 on Aug. 28 and 53 by Sept. 1 – the Pittsburgh Steelers have a pretty good idea of who is going to be with them when they open the season at Cleveland Sept. 9.

But there are still some decisions to be made.

Here’s the way I feel the 53-man roster will shake out:

Quarterbacks (3): Ben Roethlisberger and Charlie Batch are locks. Brian St. Pierre has played well enough this preseason to be close to one as well. Only a bad performance against Philadelphia could ruin that.

Running backs (5): Willie Parker, Najeh Davenport and yes, Carey Davis are locks. Gary Russell is close to one. He’s the second-best pure runner on this roster behind Parker. That will leave the coaching staff deciding between Verron Haynes and fullback Dan Kreider. Haynes will be the team’s third-down back, leaving Kreider on the outside looking in. Davis will handle the lead-blocking duties.

Wide receivers (5): Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes and Cedrick Wilson are locks. Willie Reid likely is as well, even though he hasn’t shown much as a return man this preseason. That leaves Nate Washington fighting with Walter Young for the final spot. Washington’s speed gives him the edge over Young’s size.

Tight end (3): One of the few no-brainers as Heath Miller, Jerame Tuman and Matt Spaeth get the nod here.

Offensive line (10): Starters Marvel Smith, Alan Faneca, Sean Mahan, Kendall Simmons and Willie Colon – yes, I believe Colon will be the opening day starter – are joined by Max Starks, Chris Kemoeatu, Marvin Philip, Trai Essex and Jason Capizzi. Chukky Okobi gets the call from the Turk. Essex has been OK at guard, but mistake-prone at tackle. But he’s worth keeping around another year. Capizzi is on the bubble, but I don’t think the Steelers will be able to get him onto the practice squad.

Defensive line (7): Casey Hampton, Aaron Smith, Brett Keisel and Chris Hoke are locks. Travis Kirschke and his troublesome back likely are as well. Nick Eason and Ryan McBean will get the final two spots. McBean has promise and will get a year to learn the system and beef up a little. Shaun Nua, we hardly knew ya.

Linebackers (8): Clark Haggans, James Harrison, Larry Foote, James Farrior, Lawrence Timmons, LaMarr Woodley and Clint Kreiwaldt are locks. That leaves one spot open and Arnold Harrison wins it. It leaves the team thin at inside linebacker, but Timmons could be groomed to play inside in a pinch and Arnold Harrison has played inside a bit. Woodley will continue to be groomed as a pass rusher.

Defensive backs (9): Troy Polamalu, Ryan Clark, Deshea Townsend and Ike Taylor will be the starters. They will be backed up by Bryant McFadden, Anthony Smith, William Gay, Ricardo Colclough and Tyrone Carter. Chidi Iwuoma doesn’t make the cut despite being a captain during the preseason. Mike Tomlin could surprise here, however, and release Tyrone Carter instead. You don’t think Towsend has been working at free safety for his health, do you?

Specialists (3): Jeff Reed, Daniel Sepulveda and Greg Warren. Enough said.

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What does he mean about Okobi calling the Turk? Cut Kreider for Haynes = DOH!

Other than that I like most of the picks, I rather do like Walter Young and am saddened he appears in a compromised position.

 

[3C's]

What does he mean about Okobi calling the Turk?

It's an old saying for getting cut. Forget where it originated.Who is this Turk? He is the individual assigned by the organization to go to a player's room, knock on his door and utter those dreaded words: "The coach wants to see you--and bring your playbook." In short, the Turk is the NFL version of the Grim Reaper.

 

[CrossEyed]

What does he mean about Okobi calling the Turk?

He said he gets the call from the Turk, that's the nickname of the guy who delivers the bad news to the guys who get cut.

 

[Heinz 57]

What does he mean about Okobi calling the Turk?

It's an old saying for getting cut. Forget where it originated.Who is this Turk? He is the individual assigned by the organization to go to a player's room, knock on his door and utter those dreaded words: "The coach wants to see you--and bring your playbook." In short, the Turk is the NFL version of the Grim Reaper.

Thats kinda what I figured. Can't believe it. Okobi was always pretty good IMO. He is hurt but the extent of which I have no clue.

 

[apalmer]

Cutting Kreider is a huge mistake. I dont like the idea of moving solely to this H-back, 2-3TE ####. I love Tomlin, but lets not forget our roots here people.

Agreed. Also, I might add, though Kreider was listed on the injury report at times in the past 3 seasons, I don't believe he missed a single game.

I am with you. I like Haynes but the dude is always injured. The Steelers aren't always going to be in the spead offense. I want Kreider around when you're at the goal line, when you're 3rd/4th down and inches, or when you just want to grind the clock out.Cutting Kreider would be a mistake IMO.

I agree 100%. I'd hate to see Haynes go - he can catch and run, he can pass block, and he's a good guy. However, you don't cut Kreider for Haynes. If neither Russell nor Davis can do what Haynes does, cut one of them. The question is : why do they need Haynes when they have Davenport? I thought Najeh's role was to be basically what Haynes' role would theoretically be. If you're keeping Davis and Russell for their ability to make plays, then Haynes has to be the odd man out. You don't cut your hammer when you have no one else with that skill set.

Davis can play both HB and FB and has been a monster on special teams thus far. I'm not sure about his pass catching. He can essentially fill 3 spots though and has played so well I think he def. is a keeper over Haynes and can do a lot of what Haynes can do. Russell I dont know about, but the way he has been running, he wont clear waivers. He has the most potential, so he makes the team as well. Being that Davis can do what Haynes does and so can Davenport, but neither can block like Kreider, I think it is an easy decision to cut Haynes and keep Kreider. If the 5 RBs arent Parker, Davenport, Davis, Russell, and Kreider I will be very surprised, disappointed, and leary.

I think we're all in agreement here.

Maybe we should call Tomlin and make sure he knows.

While you have him on the phone tell him to throw the damn ball to H. Miller.

I tried. Discovered that Ben told him the same thing:

He wants Arians to let him use all of his tools tonight against the Philadelphia Eagles to get into the end zone. Arians, his new offensive coordinator, declined.

Link Saving it for the regular season.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

No suprises here.

Steelers cut Kevan Barlow

Monday, August 27, 2007

By Gerry Dulac, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Former Pitt running back Kevan Barlow, who was trying to become a third-down back with the Steelers, was among seven players cut today by Coach Mike Tomlin.

Also cut were punter Mike Barr, kicker Connor Hughes, wide receiver Dan Sheldon, running back Larry Croom, long-snapper Jared Retkofsky and center Donovan Raiola.

Three more players have to be cut by tomorrow to get down to the 75-player roster limit.

Curiously, Barlow carried four times for 14 yards and scored the Steelers' final offensive touchdown in their 27-13 victory against the Philadelphia Eagles last night.

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More details in tomorrow's Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

 

[Godsbrother]

Curiously, Barlow carried four times for 14 yards and scored the Steelers' final offensive touchdown in their 27-13 victory against the Philadelphia Eagles last night.

Just showcasing him. I am sure they figure they're giving him a better shot to get a job with another team by releasing him the first wave.Maybe Green Bay or Cincinnati will give him a call.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I have to say I am impressed with all the offseason moves the Steelers have made My original projections for the Steelers offended most of you and I can say I am now on board with the 10+ win crew. So I guess this is just a on the great offseason!

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

anybody else a little upset about the comments Faneca made according to Andrea Kramer: that he is trying to not get hurt, playing differently, doesnt want to be a captain etc.?

 

[The Jerk]

LOLLEY AT IT AGAIN.... Here hes making his own cuts, which should be close to reality as we can expect...

Running backs (5): Willie Parker, Najeh Davenport and yes, Carey Davis are locks. Gary Russell is close to one. He’s the second-best pure runner on this roster behind Parker. That will leave the coaching staff deciding between Verron Haynes and fullback Dan Kreider. Haynes will be the team’s third-down back, leaving Kreider on the outside looking in. Davis will handle the lead-blocking duties.

What happened to Parker being the best third-down back on the team that we heard about earlier this month? Has that opinion changed? Is Willie still not good enough at blitz pickup?

 

[Memphis Foundry]

I guess Greg Warren must have gotten the message.

 

[The Jerk]

I have to say I am impressed with all the offseason moves the Steelers have made :( My original projections for the Steelers offended most of you and I can say I am now on board with the 10+ win crew. So I guess this is just a on the great offseason!

You're more optimistic than me. I think 10 wins is the realistic maximum with the mediocre offensive line play and continuance from 2006 of careless turnovers and horrible special teams play that have characterized the preseason.

 

[Godsbrother]

anybody else a little upset about the comments Faneca made according to Andrea Kramer: that he is trying to not get hurt, playing differently, doesnt want to be a captain etc.?

I don't care what he says. He can go wherever he wants next season and get paid a gazillion dollars. For now I just want him to line up and beat the crap out of the opposing defense.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

anybody else a little upset about the comments Faneca made according to Andrea Kramer: that he is trying to not get hurt, playing differently, doesnt want to be a captain etc.?

I don't care what he says. He can go wherever he wants next season and get paid a gazillion dollars. For now I just want him to line up and beat the crap out of the opposing defense.

Agreed, but I have to say that he is on my last nerve with all this insinuation that he's not going to play all out.

 

[The Jerk]

anybody else a little upset about the comments Faneca made according to Andrea Kramer: that he is trying to not get hurt, playing differently, doesnt want to be a captain etc.?

I don't care what he says. He can go wherever he wants next season and get paid a gazillion dollars. For now I just want him to line up and beat the crap out of the opposing defense.

He's always been outspoken. At some point, it could become a distraction, but these are professionals, and all he's doing is being honest and not resorting to the mind-numbing cliches of so many athletes. His teammates know his situation; don't think others in his same situation have not said similar words in the locker room in the past. He's just saying it to the media.

 

[CrossEyed]

anybody else a little upset about the comments Faneca made according to Andrea Kramer: that he is trying to not get hurt, playing differently, doesnt want to be a captain etc.?

Faneca seems like a nice enough guy, but apparently doesn't know when to just keep his mouth shut. I guess he's just like all the other athletes out there just trying to feed their families. What a shame that after making $20 million over the past 6 years that he's not guaranteed he'll make his $4 million this year.These guys really need to go out and buy some perspective.