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At least they aren't still throwing Wannstedt's name out there.
If it was Grimms gig, something would have transpired today after that meeting.Rivera is the guess, but the team may not be willing to wait 20 more days and then have Rivera not accept the offer.
Tomlin seems to have more passion and fire for the game, while Grimm comes across as overly cautious. Of the two, I'd have to say I'm more impressed by Tomlin.
I'd have to agree... I definitely would go with Tomlin. Everyone knows when asked why you want the job, you focus on what you can do for the organization and not what the organization can do for you. When Grimm was asked a similar question, he said he feels this is a good opportunity for him. I like Tomlin. I think he will bring change to the Steelers but that's not a bad thing. I don't want to see a complete overhaul but let's shake a few things up.
Tomlin. Of those 2. I personally haven't paid a lot of attention to Rivera though. But I've been intrigued by Tomlin pretty much the entire time. Besides, he's from my hometown...that's gotta be good.
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they draft a power back. NFL Draft Countdown's 2 round mock posted today has them taking Marshawn Lynch in round 1 as a BPA pick. This, I just don't see. What is he going to bring to the offense that Parker doesn't? He's a little bigger, but Parker has become a much better between-the-tackles runner and Lynch, like Parker, is known as a game breaking back. Doesn't seem like a fit with the few miles FWP has on him.I could see Gaines Adams or Quentin Moses if either is available, perhaps Dwayne Jarrett, Levi Brown, or a CB going to Pittsburgh in round 1.
Maybe later in the draft... however, there are some pretty good FAs that can fill this role. Duckett, Shipp, etc.BUT THE FIRST ROUND? BRING ON THE POZ!
Natural Born Steeler!
You doubt his intelligence? He went to William and Mary. They don't accept average students. A few facts about W&M.
I'm sure his football knowledge is quite good as well. You don't get the accolades he's getting from former bosses without a high degree of knowledge and talent. Tomlin played on both sides of the ball through high school. Was a receiver in college. and has coached on both sides of the ball. I'd say his overall knowledge of the game is quite good. As for the Vikings, he wasn't the head coach. The offense was horrible, putting the D on the field, and in bad spots, way too often. The D line had injuries and the defensive ends leftover never got a pass rush. That left the secondary exposed and trying to cover wideouts for way too long. You want to bring in an unproven coach who's resume' includes the swinging door that was the Oline of the Steelers? Grimm is obviously not a hot commodity. He had 1 interview this year. And they didn't bother to bring him in for a second. If he ends up with the job, I'll be ok with it. But I have my doubts in his ability.
If true, they must be working on a contract.
I was concerned about Tomlin's coordinator's skill as well with the Vikings worst ranked pass defense. However, after further thought I'm more comfortable with Tomlin in this regard. The Vikes D were so dominant against the run that opposing offenses never really made the running game a major part of their gameplan, so they passed 35-40 times or more (avg 37.4 pass attempts against, most in NFL), hence more passing yardage given up. Looking at their pass D under the surface, the Vikings D allowed only 15 TD's vs the pass and had 21 INT's, both top 5 in the NFL. When you add in the fact that the Vikes had a subpar offense, the logical conclusion I came to is that the passing yardage given up was much more a reflection of their dominant run defense than any flaws defending the pass. Simply put, the Vikes had a very good defense this past year and Tomlin deserves credit for that.
Are you stating the above as fact that he is in talks with the Rooney's again today OR are you only pointing out that potential scenario?If true, they must be working on a contract.Grimm is back in talks today. 2 days in a row. He's the man and we get an announcement sometime late today or Friday.
OR..
If not, all signs are pointing to Chicago....
Personally, I like Grimm at this point.
Sorry no link. Local radio sports talk.pfalvey said:Are you stating the above as fact that he is in talks with the Rooney's again today OR are you only pointing out that potential scenario?3C said:If true, they must be working on a contract.nightshift said:Grimm is back in talks today. 2 days in a row. He's the man and we get an announcement sometime late today or Friday.
OR..
If not, all signs are pointing to Chicago....
Personally, I like Grimm at this point.
Old news. Lots of speculation that an announcement will be made this weekend.
Geaux Saints!
Not necessarily. There is no need to rush this process. I like Rivera probably more than Tomlin simply because he has some Pittsburgh ties. If the Bears banged up D shuts down that Saints' O and wins the game, that is just another plus for Rivera and makes the wait that much more worth the it.As long as Parcells stays in Dallas, the only coaching competition is Oakland and Miami, and at this point I dont think any of the 3 final candidates are still being considered for those jobs (although maybe Miami is waiting on Rivera as well?)ETA: What am I talking about . . . Rivera doesnt have Pittsburgh ties.
I agree that there is no need to rush the process (and I don't think the Steelers will do that), but if the Bears lose this week the decission will theoretically come 2 weeks earlier than if they win. That seems like a good thing to me.Also, I don't think how the Bears defense performs this Sunday will have any impact on the decision to hire him as a head coach because I think the Rooney's are looking more at the big picture that what happens in one game. That's why I said earlier in this thread that the Vikings pass defense or the poor play of the Steelers oline this year wasn't a negative reflection on either of the other candidates.
I'm talking more public perception. Being that either coach will have limited input on personel being that there will be the same Dir. of Football Operations and scouts etc., I dont think waiting an extra 2 weeks is an issue. I think the Rooneys gave a list of a "final 3" and therefore they will not sign either Grimm or Tomlin prior to Rivera's second interview, regardless of when that may be.
I think we are essentially in agreement. I don't think waiting is a mistake if the Bears win, I'd just rather not wait.
What if Rivera, Tomlin and Grimm all turn out to be solid NFL coaches for the next 20 years? How will you look back on this coaching interviewing process. They may be the equivalent of Holmgren, Denny Green and Wandstadt 20 years from now you may be bragging about how great their list of candidates were and what great foresite they had. But you are trying to pass judgement on candidates who have yet to be a head coach. It's like saying don't draft Reggie Bush, you should have just signed Edge James. Why go for an unproven NFL player over a solid all pro veteran. How do you ever become a head coach in the NFL if some team isn't the first to hire them that way?How would you have viewed interviewing Mangini and Payton last offseason? You probably would have been crying for Pete Carrol back then too cause there was not much fanfair for these guys. But they turned out to be great hires.Cowher was a well known assistant of Marty, well so is Grimm an assistant head coach to future hall of famer Cowher, Rivera played under Ditka and is an assistant under a coach leading his team to the NFC Championship game (L. Smith) and he spent time under Andy Reid from the Bill Walsh family tree who shows every year to be one of the great minds in football. Then you have Tomlin who spent time with a great coach in Dungy who is from the Chuck Knoll family tree.Cam Cameron and Brian Schottenheimer earned interviews. I think Norm Chow was considered by Arizona. It seems odd that, with the Steelers' long-time regard for Marty Schottenheimer, the Rooneys wouldn't at least speak with his son, a guy who did a great job for the Jets with no marquee RB and a weak-armed QB. When they did the search in 1992, they brought in men like Gilbride, Mike Riley, and others just to pick their brains even if those fellows weren't serious considerations. They also tried to arrange interviews with Dennis Green and Mike Holmgren back then. And yes, if the Powers That Be (who some on this thread seem to think of as infallible) check a map, they'll see it wouldn't take long to fly Rex Ryan in for a conversation. I forgot who originally said it, but owners hire the coaches they feel comfortable with, and Grimm is clearly a Pittsburgh guy. So, if it ain't broke (if you consider 8-8 unbroken), don't think outside the box.
No announcement as of 1:30 pm ET Friday. Lookin' like Rivera is still in the hunt.
At this point with only the Raiders left to choose a coach I wouldn't be at all suprised if the Steelers wait the two weeks (if needed) to interview Rivera.
I understand your counterpoints and some are valid to me. What is evident here is that all of us are intensely interested and hopeful that the Steelers make the best decision. The pool seriously considered in the search has just been small, in my estimation, and that the Steelers tend to think within a methodical and predictable framework----the assistant bred from an organization they know, the guy they'd like to succeed so he can stick around for a long time. That probably should be every team's basic blueprint. It's just a little disconcerting that we seem to swear by this formula as if nothing else can work. The Steelers head coaching job is one of the best in pro sports. Don't the fans deserve a fairly inclusive search to reflect that? Instead, of the 12 teams in the playoffs this year, the Steelers met with only 1 assistant from that field---Rivera. Casting a broader net would have hurt nothing. We've been conditioned to believe the Rooneys have the magic touch though it's been an essentially modest search. And I didn't "cry" for Pete Carroll; I only said there were plenty of big fish to be found and threw his name out as an example. The league has changed since Noll and Cowher were hired, so I'm not sure a single model of pursuit is still ideal. That's why I was glad Gailey's name came into it, although briefly. It showed that the process could be more diversified. And I believe he was endorsed by that Cowher guy you mentioned who is bound for the Hall of Fame. Where's the harm in talking to someone who's been a winner as a head coach?Yes, it's possible Rivera and the others could be tomorrow's stars. Looking back at my posts, I never bad-mouthed the finalists, except to say Tomlin's pedigree and achievements are dubious. But let's not overrate family trees when it comes to NFL success. Daves Campo and Wannstedt, along with Butch Davis, came from the Jimmy Johnson family tree. As to both Mangini and Payton, there actually WAS fanfare about their talents and their hires were not startling. They were key men under Parcells and Belichick. They were not obscure. Your analogy with Reggie Bush is operable if you're comparing him to Mangini and Payton. Bush was not obscure, either.In any event, since they've "narrowed" (redundant from the start) the search to 3, I am hoping for Rivera, whose mindset is that he likes a team where the defense beats people up. Sounds good to me.SteelerMurf said:What if Rivera, Tomlin and Grimm all turn out to be solid NFL coaches for the next 20 years? How will you look back on this coaching interviewing process. They may be the equivalent of Holmgren, Denny Green and Wandstadt 20 years from now you may be bragging about how great their list of candidates were and what great foresite they had. But you are trying to pass judgement on candidates who have yet to be a head coach. It's like saying don't draft Reggie Bush, you should have just signed Edge James. Why go for an unproven NFL player over a solid all pro veteran. How do you ever become a head coach in the NFL if some team isn't the first to hire them that way?How would you have viewed interviewing Mangini and Payton last offseason? You probably would have been crying for Pete Carrol back then too cause there was not much fanfair for these guys. But they turned out to be great hires.Cowher was a well known assistant of Marty, well so is Grimm an assistant head coach to future hall of famer Cowher, Rivera played under Ditka and is an assistant under a coach leading his team to the NFC Championship game (L. Smith) and he spent time under Andy Reid from the Bill Walsh family tree who shows every year to be one of the great minds in football. Then you have Tomlin who spent time with a great coach in Dungy who is from the Chuck Knoll family tree.Cam Cameron and Brian Schottenheimer earned interviews. I think Norm Chow was considered by Arizona. It seems odd that, with the Steelers' long-time regard for Marty Schottenheimer, the Rooneys wouldn't at least speak with his son, a guy who did a great job for the Jets with no marquee RB and a weak-armed QB. When they did the search in 1992, they brought in men like Gilbride, Mike Riley, and others just to pick their brains even if those fellows weren't serious considerations. They also tried to arrange interviews with Dennis Green and Mike Holmgren back then. And yes, if the Powers That Be (who some on this thread seem to think of as infallible) check a map, they'll see it wouldn't take long to fly Rex Ryan in for a conversation. I forgot who originally said it, but owners hire the coaches they feel comfortable with, and Grimm is clearly a Pittsburgh guy. So, if it ain't broke (if you consider 8-8 unbroken), don't think outside the box.
I hope this is true but PFT has been wrong on a lot of coaching predictions so far....
I just heard this on ESPN"It is untrue," Tomlin said of the report. "I have no idea where it's coming from. I have not talked to the Rooneys today."
4 Tomlin
