Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Just saw that scrolling under the Laker game.
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Steve McNair - Ravens - Titans (1 Viewer)
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Chaos Commish
Footballguy
This all looks a little confusing. I'll edit the title...
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Jamal Lewis 
sheerterror
Footballguy
Bump up Todd Heap?
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Just because they "agree to terms", doesn't mean he is a Raven.
Harrington "agreed to terms" with the Dolphins - yet he's still a Lion.
Harrington "agreed to terms" with the Dolphins - yet he's still a Lion.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
What does this say about Boller? I thought he made some strides last year. I don't think the Ravens are Bowl bound with him next year, but McNair would clearly be a stop gap. Is Boller still viewed as the future of the franchise? I'd think the answer is no if they are brining in a crusty vet to take the reigns from him.
Mungo Burrows
Footballguy
Boller has 2 years left on his contract at reasonable prices for a backup ($1.6m this year, $800k next year) I'm not sure if there are any big roster bonuses and such in addition to that, but I don't think so. The only way he will stay in Baltimore is if McNair suffers a LONG term injury and Boller comes in and "Pulls a Brees". By this, I mean he would have to look very good for an extended period of time (at least 12 games), he'd probably have to go deep in the playoffs, and most importantly he couldn't have any really bad games (e.g., week 10, 14, or 17, 2005). If that happens, there's a chance they make him a decent offer to extend him and keep him around. Otherwise he's no more than backup material for the next two years. He has so much negative baggage around here, it will be hard to sell resigning him regardless of what happens over the next two years unless he really carries the team for a long period of time.I wouldn't be surprised to see him dangled as trade bait at the end of this year while they can still get something for him, particularly if he subs in a few games this season and doesn't look too bad doing it.
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-OZ-
Footballguy
I would have thought you'd think different on Boller.It's obvious that Baltimore doesn't think they can win now with him, but how much longer does McNair have in the league? it's entirely possible that Boller is better off in the long run after this. It doesn't happen often, but sometimes a young QB can learn from a veteran and be better off for the experience. I won't make the leap of faith comparison, but let's just say he wouldn't be the first.
what it says is what they've known all along, but couldn't do squat about....that is, Boller needs some time to develope, to allow the game to slow down around him someI liken his situation to a Gannon or BJohnson....these guys spent several years in semi-starters role, and were avg QB's...( for example, Gannon completion % mid-upper 50's for 10 yrs, when throwing at least 100+ attempts)...
...until they hooked up w/Gruden---then BAM---Pro Bowler's!!
Boller has enough skill to hang around the league for awhile after his days are over here (and they will be, rest assured)...under the right guy, he might catch lightening in the bottle for a couple seasons, otherwise, just another guy that can throw it thru the side of a barn---IF he hits it!
regarding the post title---the worst kept secrect around here was that Plan A, B and C regarding the "experienced vet QB to be brought in for competition" was always going to be McNair
I don't know how or why---but there were absolutey NO talks w/others FA QB's this offseason, because the front office was convinced SMcN would be available and there would be no other jobs available...
...as far as the compensation "aggreed to" between Balt and Tenn---who knows?
there is a hearing 5/16, IIRC, where it is to be determined if Tenn's actions make McNair a FA---I don't think the Ravens want to allow that to happen, as he is fair game at that point
however, they are one of the few teams w/cap space to take the deal McNair has w/Tenn currently ($1Mb + $9M salary---vs Baltimore offer of $11M sign bonus and 3 yr deal avg $10M)...I see the trade happening "11th hour", as Tenn wants to get "something" and the Ravens don't want to allow McNair to hit the open market...
...can you imagine IF Brooks tore a hammy or sprung an ACL this week?
we'll see who blinks...
Bal offered a 5th...
Tenn wants a 4th...
stayed tuned!
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CalBear
Footballguy
I'm not assessing on talent, but on Baltimore's actions. Frankly, I don't think Baltimore is better off with McNair at the helm; McNair is 6-12 as a starter in the past two years, with stats only marginally better than Boller's 2005. Boller is on the rise and McNair is on the decline. But I don't see why they'd pay an $11 million signing bonus to any QB they didn't expect to be their starter for several years. If they were going after McNair on the cheap, I could see an open competition, and they certainly need a better backup than they've had up until now. But that's starter's money.
Maelstrom
Footballguy
I think I agree, it kinda reminds me of Harrington / Garcia last year - people around Detroit were saying that Garcia could mentor Harrington and teach him the ropes and be better for taking a backup role for the season. Obviously the injury in preseason to Garcia kinda messed all that up, and Mooch didn't help at all rushing Garcia back. But, when Harrington came back after being benched for a couple weeks, he did seem more relaxed and a little better out on the field. Makes you wonder what woulda happened if the season had played out as Mooch planned without the Garcia injury.Harrington didn't turn into a superstar, and Boller probably won't either, but IF (big IF) McNair does mentor Boller and help him grow, sometimes being able to see someone else do something and then explain it is better than all the time the coaches tell you to do something.
Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
...in the games he played.
Mungo Burrows
Footballguy
What, I guess he knew he was going to hurt his foot with 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter week 1, so that explains why he couldn't get them into the endzone, and threw that 1st half pick. He was just thinking about how much it was going to hurt his feelings when some of the crowd cheered his injury later that evening! Of course you shouldn't count his stats that game!And week 10, you know EVERYBODY averages 4.33 YPA and throws three picks (and no TDs) when they say they are healthy enough to play after an injury. There's no need to include a game like that.Come on! I'm sure if you try hard enough you can think of a reason to exclude week 17 against Cleveland (hungover from a New Years Eve party? Trying to improve draft position?) too. Then his numbers look even better!! 122/201 (60.1%) for 1365yds (6.7ypa!!!) with 11 TD and only 5 INTs.
Or maybe to make things fair we should eliminate the two games McNair played before he missed a game with injury. That would give him 282/450 (62.7%) for 3093 yds (6.87 YPA) with 16 tds to 7 INTs, which again gives numbers Boller hasn't approached in his entire career.
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Stillers Jr.
Footballguy
I pray the Kyle Boller experiment is NOT over.
He's my favorite Raven...hope he stays there for at least 4 more years...
He's my favorite Raven...hope he stays there for at least 4 more years...
CalBear
Footballguy
I realize there are problems with taking statistics selectively, but please note that game 1 was his first game with two new starting wide receivers. You also can't compare his and McNair's ability to come in and start at QB after an injury; Boller had less than two years' game experience at the time, while McNair is in his 11th season and has lots of experience dealing with injuries. So while I think there are issues with ignoring two games, I think it's better to do that than to ignore his last seven games, which is what you are doing. Boller clearly showed significant improvement in the last half of 2005, and if he played at that level in 2006, he would be in the top half of the league.
diesel7982
Footballguy
What? You mean the Titans holding out this long resulted in getting the 4th round pick they wanted?
SHOCKING
SHOCKING
diesel7982
Footballguy
So, is it a definite done deal? Or does anyone know yet?What? You mean the Titans holding out this long resulted in getting the 4th round pick they wanted?
SHOCKING
I suppose we can wait for ESPN to steal this story and post it on their website, but yes, seems to be a done deal.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Kyle Boller = useless ?
And this was on kffl from this morning:
"The Tennessee Titans released a statement giving permission for QB Steve McNair to take a physical with the Baltimore Ravens. The statement says, "We have granted permission to Baltimore to give Steve McNair a physical, which we expect to take place in the next 24 hours. Upon passing a physical, final trade terms will be agreed upon."
Doesn't make anything definite, but adds support to the rumor of the trade being finalized.
"The Tennessee Titans released a statement giving permission for QB Steve McNair to take a physical with the Baltimore Ravens. The statement says, "We have granted permission to Baltimore to give Steve McNair a physical, which we expect to take place in the next 24 hours. Upon passing a physical, final trade terms will be agreed upon."
Doesn't make anything definite, but adds support to the rumor of the trade being finalized.
Well they gave a 4th up for the great Kevin Johnson a few years back, which the Jags used to select Ernest Wilford I believe, so apparently that round doesn't hold much value to Newsomoe and co.So, is it a definite done deal? Or does anyone know yet?What? You mean the Titans holding out this long resulted in getting the 4th round pick they wanted?
SHOCKING
Warpig
Footballguy
Looks like a done deal. Here's the comment that is on the Titan's website (titansonline.com)
Titans statement regarding Steve McNair
STATEMENT FROM THE TENNESSEE TITANS
“We have granted permission to Baltimore to give Steve McNair a physical, which we expect to take place in the next 24 hours. Upon passing a physical, final trade terms will be agreed upon.”
Here's a link to the story on the Ravens site:
http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article.jsp?id=10276
Titans statement regarding Steve McNair
STATEMENT FROM THE TENNESSEE TITANS
“We have granted permission to Baltimore to give Steve McNair a physical, which we expect to take place in the next 24 hours. Upon passing a physical, final trade terms will be agreed upon.”
Here's a link to the story on the Ravens site:
http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article.jsp?id=10276
Traders2001
Footballguy
Since when is he still a Lion.He has been practicing with the Phins for at least two weeks now.
Polish Hammer
made of glass
Note the date of the post you quoted was a month ago.
mightyeskimo
Footballguy
I think this boosts Todd Heap's value. McNair is used to having a good tight end ala Frank Wycheck. He should have no trouble finding Heap on the field.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
Jamal owners are pleased as well.
Lombardi's Orphan Son
Footballguy
i don't think there's any doubt you bump up all of the Ravens except for Boller (obvious), but what about the Titans?? The last word is that they (ownership) wanted VY to start, but I can't believe they have ability to call the starters over Fisher.
i predict Volek to start, at least the first half of the season, but you know there will be pressure to see what VY can do, especially if Volek falters. i would have to downgrade all of the Titan offense. Without McNair they are going to be in close competition with the Texans.
-orphan
i predict Volek to start, at least the first half of the season, but you know there will be pressure to see what VY can do, especially if Volek falters. i would have to downgrade all of the Titan offense. Without McNair they are going to be in close competition with the Texans.
-orphan
doomsdaydoc
Footballguy
this also give McNair potential for better numbers than is he were still playing for the Titans. He has a more solid running game, a better line to protect him and very very solid receivers in Mason (his old favorite), Clayton (a potential star) and Heap- who is a top 3 TE. With the defense this team has and the scoring potential, the RAvens should be a playoff team this season and their offense will no lnger be something to avoid in fantasy drafts.
