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Although the o-line was pathetic run-blocking last season, don't make the mistake of thinking they were a hell of a lot better pass-blocking. I'm not saying they won't be better than Tenn (or than they themselves were last year), but they've got a ton of room for improvement.
Technically no. They wanted a 2006 4th rounder during the draft, they got a 2007 4th rounder instead. Since year N+1 picks are generally worth about one round less than year N picks, that's pretty much the same as the 5th the Ravens offered in the draftWhat? You mean the Titans holding out this long resulted in getting the 4th round pick they wanted?
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the line play was horrid...periodthere were signs of improvement towards the end of the year, so let that be a positive sign
point.....Mungro!Technically no. They wanted a 2006 4th rounder during the draft, they got a 2007 4th rounder instead. Since year N+1 picks are generally worth about one round less than year N picks, that's pretty much the same as the 5th the Ravens offered in the draftWhat? You mean the Titans holding out this long resulted in getting the 4th round pick they wanted?
SHOCKING
But, there is still a shoe to drop the Mungo doesn't know about.point.....Mungro!Technically no. They wanted a 2006 4th rounder during the draft, they got a 2007 4th rounder instead. Since year N+1 picks are generally worth about one round less than year N picks, that's pretty much the same as the 5th the Ravens offered in the draftWhat? You mean the Titans holding out this long resulted in getting the 4th round pick they wanted?
SHOCKING
only until last yr's 2nd Adam Terry cracks the lineup---which should be before the clocks go back an hourWow! Tony Pashos?! He is always waiver fodder in Madden '06. When I do my drafts it seems like I always end up with Pashos as one of my backup lineman. Scary thinking about hanging my hat on Pashos to secure the line.
Exactly. -1 points for Mungro.But, there is still a shoe to drop the Mungo doesn't know about.point.....Mungro!Technically no. They wanted a 2006 4th rounder during the draft, they got a 2007 4th rounder instead. Since year N+1 picks are generally worth about one round less than year N picks, that's pretty much the same as the 5th the Ravens offered in the draftWhat? You mean the Titans holding out this long resulted in getting the 4th round pick they wanted?
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You implying a contingent upgrade of the pick or something?But, there is still a shoe to drop the Mungo doesn't know about.point.....Mungro!Technically no. They wanted a 2006 4th rounder during the draft, they got a 2007 4th rounder instead. Since year N+1 picks are generally worth about one round less than year N picks, that's pretty much the same as the 5th the Ravens offered in the draftWhat? You mean the Titans holding out this long resulted in getting the 4th round pick they wanted?
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I think that's fallacious. The most yardage a single TE has gotten from McNair has been 768 yards (Wycheck, and he only had 2 TDs), and he hasn't had a TE gain 700 yards since 1998. He's never had a TE get 5 TDs. Heap's 2005 stats were significantly better than any TE has done with McNair at QB, so I don't see any way you can bump up Heap due to McNair arriving.
My thinking on this is that while Wychek was an excellent TE, he was not as good as Heap is. Now I'm not saying Heap is going to get 1,359 yards that the Tenn TE's did last year, but you've got to figure that if Heap was able to get 855 yards & 7 TD's with Wright & Boller throwing to him, surely he can equal that with McNair and more than likely do better.
I heard ESPN Radio this a.m. reporting that the pick could be upgraded to a 3rd if McNair hits a certain playing time plateau (no word on what that is).You implying a contingent upgrade of the pick or something?But, there is still a shoe to drop the Mungo doesn't know about.point.....Mungro!Technically no. They wanted a 2006 4th rounder during the draft, they got a 2007 4th rounder instead. Since year N+1 picks are generally worth about one round less than year N picks, that's pretty much the same as the 5th the Ravens offered in the draftWhat? You mean the Titans holding out this long resulted in getting the 4th round pick they wanted?
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OK, it's been a few hours now. Is McNair listed as "questionable" yet?
"Game time decision."
McNair knows Mason, and has a better arm and ability to utilize Clayton and Mason, while Boller / Wright had to utilize the TE more.Sure Heap is better than Wychek, arguably anyway, but Clayton/Mason are better than any WR duo McNair has had before. A better, more accurate arm, the ability to stand up to pressure and throw deep = a benefit to the WRs, not neccessarily Heap.
Totally agree that the Clayton/Mason WR combo is better than what McNair was previously throwing to. However, I don't think that you were right when saying Boller / Wright had to utilize the TE more.
I don't expect them to not use Heap, but are you denying that McNair has a better arm, and the experience to use the WRs, better than Boller or Wright?The offense on the whole will improve, I just don't see Heap as the primary beneficiary like some others do.
Comments by guys like Diesel aside, I think there are enough people who feel like this...
...that he is likely to be cheered heartily when he walks back on the field in Nashville. I just get the feeling that most fans there will want to show appreciation for what he did for the franchise, and that they won't feel it is his fault for what happened. It's like the cleveland game in baltimore last year. Every player introduced from the cleveland roster got booed but one...Trent Dilfer got a nice cheer.
As far as I know, most leagues aren't playing "Team TE" these days. It's the same situation as with Dallas Clark last year, where people were adding Pollard's production to Clark's and ignoring the fact that no TE under Manning has ever had 50 receptions.The most any TE has produced under McNair in his 10+ years in the league is 98 fantasy points (Wycheck, 1997). Heap last year produced 128 points. It's unrealistic to see McNair coming to the Ravens as anything but additional risk for Todd Heap; certainly it's unrealistic to expect McNair, reunited with his favorite receiving target, to suddenly develop an affinity for zeroing in on a single TE that he's never shown in his many years in the league.
I see as the opposite. Heap is more talented than the Tenn TEs. The main reason the Titans have multiple TEs with targets is because of the offense, and the way McNair ran it.Using your same logic above, I will project McNair to use his TEs similarly to while in Tenn regardless of name and number on jersey, the same way PManning used his TEs the same without Pollard as with.
Its a pretty big stretch.A healthy Troupe is arguably the 2nd best threat the Titans had behind Drew Bennett last year, but he was never near full-speed, and didnt have the agility or speed that we saw in his rookie year.
It's entirely possible that you saw more games than I did, but I saw my fair share. Bennet - ok, the rest we disagree almost completely. How does Scaife's lack of blocking ability a factor when we're discussing receiving?
Billick's Ravens O involved Heap plenty and IIRC he was a pro bowl TE. Fassel's O has involved Shockey plenty and he was a pro bowl TE and last year his O gave Heap his best year. Heimerdinger got a ton of production out of his TEs in Tenn and in NY.Mason is older, nearly retiring age. Clarence Moore is just eh. Mark Clayton struggled early then got more comfy last year like most rooks do. Heap's the best target IMO.
Agree with the first sentence (although I'm not all that sorry to see Zeus go), but not necessarily the second. The last thing the Ravens want is for Heap to be blocking. I could see them bringing in a second TE to help out & going one-back before I could see them holding Heap in to block often.
He's 32. While that is definitely on the tail end of his career, it's not unprecedented for receivers that age to do well. Within the last two years, Marvin Harrison, Joey Galloway and Isaac Bruce have had 1100+ yard seasons (with an average of just over 10 TDs in those seasons) while at age 32 or more. I'm not saying that will happen with Mason, just that 32 is not necessarily a death knell for WRs like it usually is for RBs.
I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying Oz.I am in complete agreement that McNair is a better QB than Boller / Wright. I don't see any less targets for either of Mason / Clayton, nor do I see any less targets for Heap.I don't expect them to not use Heap, but are you denying that McNair has a better arm, and the experience to use the WRs, better than Boller or Wright?The offense on the whole will improve, I just don't see Heap as the primary beneficiary like some others do.
But, maybe he won't utilize his former go-to WR or the talented 2nd year WR more than they were last year.
As a McNair owner on a team I really needed a better QB, I have Volek/McNair/Boller/Campbell, so as you should be able to guess, I'm thrilled.
McNair no longer plays for Tenn, but regardless, Tenn TE's had 149 total receptions last year, so you have to figure the Tenn TE targets had to be 200+. If Heap had been on the Tenn roster last year, I can just about guarantee you the majority of those targets would have been going to him.
McNair now plays for the Ravens and will run the pays Billick & the OC call.
If the play calling is for over 100+ targets to Heap, then the play calling is for over 100+ targets to Heap.
The fact that Mcnair is a better QB than either Boller or Wright, bodes well for Heap. As talented as he is, he should convert a higher % of his targets with a better QB (ie - more accurate) throwing him the ball.
this was my point. In fact the Tenn TEs had 210 targets in 2005. I think a lot of it had to do with lack of decent WRs. But, even in 2004, the Tenn TEs had 118, and 106 in 2003.Seems to me that when Mason left, and there was a void at TE, McNair relied on his TEs more. In the end, I can only see this as good news for Heap owners.
I just don't think he's yet to the point where his age alone makes him a lesser receiver than Heap, which is what you seemed to be implying in your original post.
Good to see the wink here.Can I trade a 2007 4th for a 2010 1st?Technically no. They wanted a 2006 4th rounder during the draft, they got a 2007 4th rounder instead. Since year N+1 picks are generally worth about one round less than year N picks, that's pretty much the same as the 5th the Ravens offered in the draftWhat? You mean the Titans holding out this long resulted in getting the 4th round pick they wanted?
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oh, well I worry about him. I didn't see him that often but when I did I felt like one turn upfield and he'd be wide open. He didn't yet he's real smart sooo que pasa? Without any confidence in his deep game I fear teams will be able to cover him. Like most quality TEs Heap is usually too big or too fast for his defender. Maybe I just didn't see him enough. Did you notice anything like I'm talkin' about?
