Steve Smith will be just fine (1 Viewer)

[timschochet]

I own Smith and I will not trade him. All Wr's are inconsistent from week to week. (How many points did Randy Moss have yesterday? Are his owners in panic mode?)

Last year I owned Andre Johnson, and with Carr, he had inconsistent numbers, too. But Smith is better than Johnson, and the Panthers are a better team than Houston was last year.

The most important thing to remember is this: no matter who the QB is, Steve Smith remains the #1 playmaker on his team. You don't think John Fox is saying, "weve got to get this guy involved more"? Of course he is! Smith is as consistent an option out there as can be found at WR. Barring injury, I will be proved right about this by the end of the year. Wait and see.

 

[Texican]

I own Smith and I will not trade him. All Wr's are inconsistent from week to week. (How many points did Randy Moss have yesterday? Are his owners in panic mode?)

Last year I owned Andre Johnson, and with Carr, he had inconsistent numbers, too. But Smith is better than Johnson, and the Panthers are a better team than Houston was last year.

The most important thing to remember is this: no matter who the QB is, Steve Smith remains the #1 playmaker on his team. You don't think John Fox is saying, "weve got to get this guy involved more"? Of course he is! Smith is as consistent an option out there as can be found at WR. Barring injury, I will be proved right about this by the end of the year. Wait and see.

Ok. Where do you predict he will rank among WRs come the end of the year?

 

[Avery]

I own Smith and I will not trade him. All Wr's are inconsistent from week to week. (How many points did Randy Moss have yesterday? Are his owners in panic mode?)

Last year I owned Andre Johnson, and with Carr, he had inconsistent numbers, too. But Smith is better than Johnson, and the Panthers are a better team than Houston was last year.

The most important thing to remember is this: no matter who the QB is, Steve Smith remains the #1 playmaker on his team. You don't think John Fox is saying, "weve got to get this guy involved more"? Of course he is! Smith is as consistent an option out there as can be found at WR. Barring injury, I will be proved right about this by the end of the year. Wait and see.

Wanted to get him involved and succeeding at it on a regular basis and different things.See Randy Moss in Oakland.

 

[Pigskins]

I own Smith and I will not trade him. All Wr's are inconsistent from week to week. (How many points did Randy Moss have yesterday? Are his owners in panic mode?)

Last year I owned Andre Johnson, and with Carr, he had inconsistent numbers, too. But Smith is better than Johnson, and the Panthers are a better team than Houston was last year.

The most important thing to remember is this: no matter who the QB is, Steve Smith remains the #1 playmaker on his team. You don't think John Fox is saying, "weve got to get this guy involved more"? Of course he is! Smith is as consistent an option out there as can be found at WR. Barring injury, I will be proved right about this by the end of the year. Wait and see.

Wanted to get him involved and succeeding at it on a regular basis and different things.See Randy Moss in Oakland.

Moss complained and whined alot in Oakland. He didn't even bother running his routes and breaking distance between the corner backs. That's why it was a failure.Steve Smith is a professional and he always plays the game 100% with no complaints.

 

[timschochet]

I own Smith and I will not trade him. All Wr's are inconsistent from week to week. (How many points did Randy Moss have yesterday? Are his owners in panic mode?)

Last year I owned Andre Johnson, and with Carr, he had inconsistent numbers, too. But Smith is better than Johnson, and the Panthers are a better team than Houston was last year.

The most important thing to remember is this: no matter who the QB is, Steve Smith remains the #1 playmaker on his team. You don't think John Fox is saying, "weve got to get this guy involved more"? Of course he is! Smith is as consistent an option out there as can be found at WR. Barring injury, I will be proved right about this by the end of the year. Wait and see.

Ok. Where do you predict he will rank among WRs come the end of the year?

Top 5. With Moss, Owens, Johnson, Wayne.I wouldn't want to predict the order, except that Owens and Wayne will end up 1 and 2. Moss and Ocho go down slightly when the weather gets colder. Smith goes up later in the year as Carr or whoever gets on the same page with him. That's what I think, anyway.

 

[FavreCo]

Steve Smith is a professional and he always plays the game 100% with no complaints.

He has played with Carr long enough yet. Give it 4 weeks. You are gonna see a guy fly off the handle.

 

[packersfan]

I own Smith and I will not trade him. All Wr's are inconsistent from week to week. (How many points did Randy Moss have yesterday? Are his owners in panic mode?)

Week 5 was the first game this season where Moss was anything other than sensational. Smith has had three straight games where he has been less-than-sensational. Two incredible dogs and one decent performance yesterday. His production has declined significantly since Week 2.

Last year I owned Andre Johnson, and with Carr, he had inconsistent numbers, too. But Smith is better than Johnson, and the Panthers are a better team than Houston was last year.

I think the teams are very comparable. Inconsistent defenses, so-so running games and little talent at WR other than the No. 1 guy. And I suggest you take a look at Johnson's fantasy rankings with Carr at QB. He was never a Top 15 WR in standard scoring leagues and if Smith falls out of the Top 15 - which he has the past three weeks - that will be a major downgrade for him.

The most important thing to remember is this: no matter who the QB is, Steve Smith remains the #1 playmaker on his team. You don't think John Fox is saying, "weve got to get this guy involved more"? Of course he is!

The production on the field isn't matching up with that assessment, though. His four receptions yesterday were his most since Week 2. Four receptions is WR3/WR4 territory. That's the kind of production Smith puts up in a quarter or a half, not an entire game. Whether or not Fox wants to get the ball to Smith, the reality is he isn't getting it from Carr.

Smith is as consistent an option out there as can be found at WR. Barring injury, I will be proved right about this by the end of the year. Wait and see.

I hope you're right. As a Smith owner I'm not sure I can trade him and I'm pretty much stuck starting him given how my No. 2 WR (Walker) and No. 4 WR (McDonald) are on byes and my No. 3 WR (Branch) is hurt and status uncertain. But if those two guys were both healthy and playing I'd give strong consideration to finding another WR to start ahead of Smith until he gave consistent signs he was back. I would love to be proven wrong but we're at three weeks and counting of Smith performing well below expectations and prior levels of production. That's not a good trend and based on Smith's proven history with Johnson, there is little reason for optimism here.

 

[Shermanator]

Has Smith been a stud receiver without Delhomme?

serious question

 

[Avery]

I own Smith and I will not trade him. All Wr's are inconsistent from week to week. (How many points did Randy Moss have yesterday? Are his owners in panic mode?)

Last year I owned Andre Johnson, and with Carr, he had inconsistent numbers, too. But Smith is better than Johnson, and the Panthers are a better team than Houston was last year.

The most important thing to remember is this: no matter who the QB is, Steve Smith remains the #1 playmaker on his team. You don't think John Fox is saying, "weve got to get this guy involved more"? Of course he is! Smith is as consistent an option out there as can be found at WR. Barring injury, I will be proved right about this by the end of the year. Wait and see.

Wanted to get him involved and succeeding at it on a regular basis and different things.See Randy Moss in Oakland.

Moss complained and whined alot in Oakland. He didn't even bother running his routes and breaking distance between the corner backs. That's why it was a failure.Steve Smith is a professional and he always plays the game 100% with no complaints.

Could be kinda a chicken and the egg thing.If Carr can't keep Smith involved in the game, it will be interesting to see how Smith handles it.

 

[Mimo]

I understand what you are saying but if I did want to move him I don't see people lining up to get him because of Carr.

 

[FavreCo]

Has Smith been a stud receiver without Delhomme? serious question

The only other stats are with Weinke and thats not much to go on. Easier to look at AJ with Carr and determine the soon to be plummeting Steve Smith #'s.

 

[packersfan]

I understand what you are saying but if I did want to move him I don't see people lining up to get him because of Carr.

I sent out an e-mail to my league today saying he was available. So far no responses. I'd be surprised if anybody made an offer for him, much less a decent one. The guys in my league aren't dumb - they see how bad his production has been and with Delhomme gone it's pretty tough to get excited about Smith's potential for the rest of the season.

 

[hellz_fireflies]

I own Smith and I will not trade him. All Wr's are inconsistent from week to week. (How many points did Randy Moss have yesterday? Are his owners in panic mode?)Last year I owned Andre Johnson, and with Carr, he had inconsistent numbers, too. But Smith is better than Johnson, and the Panthers are a better team than Houston was last year.The most important thing to remember is this: no matter who the QB is, Steve Smith remains the #1 playmaker on his team. You don't think John Fox is saying, "weve got to get this guy involved more"? Of course he is! Smith is as consistent an option out there as can be found at WR. Barring injury, I will be proved right about this by the end of the year. Wait and see.

Have Smith in 2 leagues (redrafts). Trading him away if I can get a nice deal. Carr can't do it.

 

[NatronIsMean]

I understand what you are saying but if I did want to move him I don't see people lining up to get him because of Carr.

I sent out an e-mail to my league today saying he was available. So far no responses. I'd be surprised if anybody made an offer for him, much less a decent one. The guys in my league aren't dumb - they see how bad his production has been and with Delhomme gone it's pretty tough to get excited about Smith's potential for the rest of the season.

Exactly. If you can trade him on name, good for you. Doesn't work in my league... Same thing as LJ - you have to hold on and hope because their trade value will be less than my perception of their value anyway.

 

[timschochet]

I understand what you are saying but if I did want to move him I don't see people lining up to get him because of Carr.

I sent out an e-mail to my league today saying he was available. So far no responses. I'd be surprised if anybody made an offer for him, much less a decent one. The guys in my league aren't dumb - they see how bad his production has been and with Delhomme gone it's pretty tough to get excited about Smith's potential for the rest of the season.

Listen, all of you are making wayyy too much judgment based on too small a sample. You can do that with running backs. If Larry Johnson or Shaun Alexander have three bad games in a row, you can say, sure, there's a problem, because the number of touches of the ball those guys get give you a pattern that is suggestive. But WRs touch the ball so few times each game that the only way to make a reasonable judgment is over a much longer period. And when you use this analysis, you find that's its far too early to judge how Smith is going to do, and specifically how he's going to do with Carr. But we can extrapolate from previous years that over a years time he will perform in the top tier of WR's. Sure this might not happen, but if it does not, that would have to be considered a statistical surprise, even now. My conclusion is that all the percentages say to stick with the guy in your starting lineup, and that's what I'm going to do.

 

[Bannedman]

I own Smith and I will not trade him. All Wr's are inconsistent from week to week. (How many points did Randy Moss have yesterday? Are his owners in panic mode?)Last year I owned Andre Johnson, and with Carr, he had inconsistent numbers, too. But Smith is better than Johnson, and the Panthers are a better team than Houston was last year.The most important thing to remember is this: no matter who the QB is, Steve Smith remains the #1 playmaker on his team. You don't think John Fox is saying, "weve got to get this guy involved more"? Of course he is! Smith is as consistent an option out there as can be found at WR. Barring injury, I will be proved right about this by the end of the year. Wait and see.

Have Smith in 2 leagues (redrafts). Trading him away if I can get a nice deal. Carr can't do it.

I offered Gates for Smith and withdrew the trade after some thought. THe guy tried to get me to offer it up again.... What do you think about that? I no longer see Gates as a TE, maybe thats more of the issue here.

 

[packersfan]

I understand what you are saying but if I did want to move him I don't see people lining up to get him because of Carr.

I sent out an e-mail to my league today saying he was available. So far no responses. I'd be surprised if anybody made an offer for him, much less a decent one. The guys in my league aren't dumb - they see how bad his production has been and with Delhomme gone it's pretty tough to get excited about Smith's potential for the rest of the season.

Listen, all of you are making wayyy too much judgment based on too small a sample. You can do that with running backs. If Larry Johnson or Shaun Alexander have three bad games in a row, you can say, sure, there's a problem, because the number of touches of the ball those guys get give you a pattern that is suggestive. But WRs touch the ball so few times each game that the only way to make a reasonable judgment is over a much longer period. And when you use this analysis, you find that's its far too early to judge how Smith is going to do, and specifically how he's going to do with Carr. But we can extrapolate from previous years that over a years time he will perform in the top tier of WR's. Sure this might not happen, but if it does not, that would have to be considered a statistical surprise, even now. My conclusion is that all the percentages say to stick with the guy in your starting lineup, and that's what I'm going to do.

Carr and Smith together is a small sample. Agreed. However, Carr in an almost identical situation with another elite WR is not a small sample. We have a few seasons of data there which can be used to project how Smith may fare. The frightening thing is so far - and yes it's only been 21/2 games or so - the parallels between Smith and Johnson with Carr at QB are extremely close. And that's not good news for Steve Smith or his fantasy owners. Again, I hope you're right and I'm wrong. But watching Smith with Carr at QB has been nothing short of depressing. Sure, he got the TD late and that was great but otherwise his fantasy day yesterday was pathetic again. He isn't getting receptions; he isn't getting yardage and given how TDs are often so inconsistent and difficult to project Smith needs the receptions and yardage if he's going to have any chance of even being a lower end WR1, much less coming anywhere close to the elite status he's had in the past (and had the first two weeks of this season) with Delhomme at QB.

 

[packersfan]

I understand what you are saying but if I did want to move him I don't see people lining up to get him because of Carr.

I sent out an e-mail to my league today saying he was available. So far no responses. I'd be surprised if anybody made an offer for him, much less a decent one. The guys in my league aren't dumb - they see how bad his production has been and with Delhomme gone it's pretty tough to get excited about Smith's potential for the rest of the season.

Exactly. If you can trade him on name, good for you. Doesn't work in my league... Same thing as LJ - you have to hold on and hope because their trade value will be less than my perception of their value anyway.

I actually think Smith for LJ would be the type of offer to pursue. I can't do it in my league because the guy with LJ is in first place and isn't looking to deal.

 

[NatronIsMean]

I understand what you are saying but if I did want to move him I don't see people lining up to get him because of Carr.

I sent out an e-mail to my league today saying he was available. So far no responses. I'd be surprised if anybody made an offer for him, much less a decent one. The guys in my league aren't dumb - they see how bad his production has been and with Delhomme gone it's pretty tough to get excited about Smith's potential for the rest of the season.

Exactly. If you can trade him on name, good for you. Doesn't work in my league... Same thing as LJ - you have to hold on and hope because their trade value will be less than my perception of their value anyway.

I actually think Smith for LJ would be the type of offer to pursue. I can't do it in my league because the guy with LJ is in first place and isn't looking to deal.

I'm the guy with both.... sigh.

 

[teet0]

I understand what you are saying but if I did want to move him I don't see people lining up to get him because of Carr.

I sent out an e-mail to my league today saying he was available. So far no responses. I'd be surprised if anybody made an offer for him, much less a decent one. The guys in my league aren't dumb - they see how bad his production has been and with Delhomme gone it's pretty tough to get excited about Smith's potential for the rest of the season.

Listen, all of you are making wayyy too much judgment based on too small a sample. You can do that with running backs. If Larry Johnson or Shaun Alexander have three bad games in a row, you can say, sure, there's a problem, because the number of touches of the ball those guys get give you a pattern that is suggestive. But WRs touch the ball so few times each game that the only way to make a reasonable judgment is over a much longer period. And when you use this analysis, you find that's its far too early to judge how Smith is going to do, and specifically how he's going to do with Carr. But we can extrapolate from previous years that over a years time he will perform in the top tier of WR's. Sure this might not happen, but if it does not, that would have to be considered a statistical surprise, even now. My conclusion is that all the percentages say to stick with the guy in your starting lineup, and that's what I'm going to do.

There's PLENTY of sample on David Carr and the correlation of QB to WR is extremely high. It's just sad that Smith's numbers are reliant on the QB. Nobody doubts Smith, it's Carr we doubt. One only needs to look at what Randy Moss did in Oak vs. NE to know that a WR is only as good as his QB.

 

[packersfan]

I understand what you are saying but if I did want to move him I don't see people lining up to get him because of Carr.

I sent out an e-mail to my league today saying he was available. So far no responses. I'd be surprised if anybody made an offer for him, much less a decent one. The guys in my league aren't dumb - they see how bad his production has been and with Delhomme gone it's pretty tough to get excited about Smith's potential for the rest of the season.

Exactly. If you can trade him on name, good for you. Doesn't work in my league... Same thing as LJ - you have to hold on and hope because their trade value will be less than my perception of their value anyway.

I actually think Smith for LJ would be the type of offer to pursue. I can't do it in my league because the guy with LJ is in first place and isn't looking to deal.

I'm the guy with both.... sigh.

The good news is things should get A LOT better for LJ starting next week. Same can't be said for Smith unfortunately.

 

[zamboni]

I think the OP is correct that we may be overassuming that Smith will not produce without Delhomme.

The question, however, is the matter of degree. As someone else noted, even a modest drop from his usual levels can make a big difference. And without the chemistry Smith had with Delhomme, it's not hard to envision, at the very least, some modest drop in production (maybe more).

If anything else, perhaps it could mean a slight bump for guys like Colbert and King in case Carr doesn't try to force the ball to Smith.

 

[AnonymousBob]

We all agree Steve Smiths' value drops with Carr in at qb. However, I think the amount he's dropped is not as great as the PERCEIVED level he's dropped.

So in effect, he's a good buy low.

 

[sholditch]

It's all academic anyway. If Carr doesn't target Smith 12 times or more next game Smith will go ape-#### and kill him, so there'll be a new QB anyway. One that looks at the pummeled, mangles body of Carr and says "Damn, I better get that psycho the ball."

 

[PantherPower]

Carr will NOT succeed in Carolina. He's horrible. I've watched every throw he's made since his arrival, and he's a scared QB that has ZERO poise and NO confidence. I hope I'm wrong, but I can't see him getting the ball to Steve enough. I'm praying for a trade. Brunell, Brooks, Jeff George, ANYONE at this point.

 

[Deuce'sWild]

Denial

 

[Brides Maids]

I own Smith and I will not trade him. All Wr's are inconsistent from week to week. (How many points did Randy Moss have yesterday? Are his owners in panic mode?)

Week 5 was the first game this season where Moss was anything other than sensational. Smith has had three straight games where he has been less-than-sensational. Two incredible dogs and one decent performance yesterday. His production has declined significantly since Week 2.

Last year I owned Andre Johnson, and with Carr, he had inconsistent numbers, too. But Smith is better than Johnson, and the Panthers are a better team than Houston was last year.

I think the teams are very comparable. Inconsistent defenses, so-so running games and little talent at WR other than the No. 1 guy. And I suggest you take a look at Johnson's fantasy rankings with Carr at QB. He was never a Top 15 WR in standard scoring leagues and if Smith falls out of the Top 15 - which he has the past three weeks - that will be a major downgrade for him.

The most important thing to remember is this: no matter who the QB is, Steve Smith remains the #1 playmaker on his team. You don't think John Fox is saying, "weve got to get this guy involved more"? Of course he is!

The production on the field isn't matching up with that assessment, though. His four receptions yesterday were his most since Week 2. Four receptions is WR3/WR4 territory. That's the kind of production Smith puts up in a quarter or a half, not an entire game. Whether or not Fox wants to get the ball to Smith, the reality is he isn't getting it from Carr.

Smith is as consistent an option out there as can be found at WR. Barring injury, I will be proved right about this by the end of the year. Wait and see.

I hope you're right. As a Smith owner I'm not sure I can trade him and I'm pretty much stuck starting him given how my No. 2 WR (Walker) and No. 4 WR (McDonald) are on byes and my No. 3 WR (Branch) is hurt and status uncertain. But if those two guys were both healthy and playing I'd give strong consideration to finding another WR to start ahead of Smith until he gave consistent signs he was back. I would love to be proven wrong but we're at three weeks and counting of Smith performing well below expectations and prior levels of production. That's not a good trend and based on Smith's proven history with Johnson, there is little reason for optimism here.

All this being said I picked him up in a Dynasty contract league and signed him for 5 years, even if he is inconsistent the rest of this year he's going no where. I have a feeling that Carr is not the guy you will see in 2 weeks at QB and that can only be a good thing for Smith.Also, People bailing out on Smith after 2 poor weeks and one "marginal" week should not be happening this is a competitor and he will improve any QB he has throwing him the ball.

 

[Max Power]

over the last 2 seasons, Delhomme has missed 5 1/2 games. Im calling the 1/2 game week 3 this season.

In those 6 games Steve Smith has 20 rec 212 yards and 1 TD.

So there you go...

 

[hellz_fireflies]

over the last 2 seasons, Delhomme has missed 5 1/2 games. Im calling the 1/2 game week 3 this season.In those 6 games Steve Smith has 20 rec 212 yards and 1 TD. So there you go...

Yup have to agree with those stats.

 

[timschochet]

over the last 2 seasons, Delhomme has missed 5 1/2 games. Im calling the 1/2 game week 3 this season.In those 6 games Steve Smith has 20 rec 212 yards and 1 TD. So there you go...

Yup have to agree with those stats.

Nope, it's not enough for me. A better stat would be how many targets he's had over that time, but even that is not real significant. 6 games over two years? What does that equate to, 20 receptions out of what at best would be 50 receptions? If I flip a coin 50 times, 20 times might come out heads, obviously there's a 40% chance this will happen. However, if I flip a coin 1000 times, or 10,000, or 100,000, it's much more likely that 50% of the time it will be heads.Do you see why you need a much larger sample to predict WR success? And even then it's very difficult. When a player like Moss for example begins to have great success, teams game plan for it and double team him, the way Cleveland did. So yu know he won't have the same success every week. And yet I read "experts" on this website take the first 3 weeks for Moss and extrapolate what he would do over the season. Right now, they're doing the same for Antonio Gates. You just can't do this with anyone who catched the ball.Look, I know Carr is lousy. (so far.) And I agree that NONE of us know how Smith or Moss or Owens will do, we can only give educated guesses at best. But all of this panic over a few games seems awfully silly to me in light of this man's marvelous career. If he was hurt or old or unmotivated (like Moss last year) that would be another story. But so far as I know, none of these things apply. If you want to sit Smith and start some non-elite level WR in the hopes of a goof matchup, be my guest. But know that you're playing with fire, and I predict you will come to regret it.

 

[brindrod]

Barring injury, I will be proved right about this by the end of the year. Wait and see.

Hey no problem....If it helps you to sleep better at night, you keep on believing this silly idea. I did the smart thing last week, I targeted a GM in need of WR help and obtained Frank Gore in return.

 

[oukurt]

Denial

 

[Pigskins]

Um so anyway I'm still keeping SS on my team.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Um so anyway I'm still keeping SS on my team.

Simply because you're keeping him doesn't mean he isn't going to fall off a cliff.

 

[Gordon Keith]

Um so anyway I'm still keeping SS on my team.

ummmm...so we lose together... misery loves company

 

[osubg1]

I was offered SS for Larry Fitzgerald... I'm thinking fitz with warner is a better option.. probably keeping him.

Still having a hard time getting over the name recognition though..

 

[Pigskins]

Um so anyway I'm still keeping SS on my team.

Simply because you're keeping him doesn't mean he isn't going to fall off a cliff.

Simply because I'm keeping him does mean he could still be a top 5 WR.

 

[ImTheScientist]

All this being said I picked him up in a Dynasty contract league and signed him for 5 years, even if he is inconsistent the rest of this year he's going no where. I have a feeling that Carr is not the guy you will see in 2 weeks at QB and that can only be a good thing for Smith.

Also, People bailing out on Smith after 2 poor weeks and one "marginal" week should not be happening this is a competitor and he will improve any QB he has throwing him the ball.

Cool

 

[SpecOpLoad]

Denial

 

[Judge Smails]

I understand what you are saying but if I did want to move him I don't see people lining up to get him because of Carr.

I sent out an e-mail to my league today saying he was available. So far no responses. I'd be surprised if anybody made an offer for him, much less a decent one. The guys in my league aren't dumb - they see how bad his production has been and with Delhomme gone it's pretty tough to get excited about Smith's potential for the rest of the season.

Exactly. If you can trade him on name, good for you. Doesn't work in my league... Same thing as LJ - you have to hold on and hope because their trade value will be less than my perception of their value anyway.

I actually think Smith for LJ would be the type of offer to pursue. I can't do it in my league because the guy with LJ is in first place and isn't looking to deal.

I'm the guy with both.... sigh.

me too. Though not panicking at 4-1 and should be 5-1 with this week's matchups. But you used to feel confident just putting "guys" around Smith as your stud WR1. Can't do that now. I'm looking at trading RB depth to get WR help.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Um so anyway I'm still keeping SS on my team.

Simply because you're keeping him doesn't mean he isn't going to fall off a cliff.

Simply because I'm keeping him does mean he could still be a top 5 WR.

Sure he could still be top 5. It wouldn't surprise anyone. But to EXPECT it to happen? I think top ten is more realistic...unless you really don't believe there is going to be any kind of dropoff.T.O.RandyHoushmanzadehCJRoyWayneFitzgeraldBurressThose are just some wr's off the top of my head-who would you bump down to put Steve Smith in the top five?

 

[Tau837]

I understand what you are saying but if I did want to move him I don't see people lining up to get him because of Carr.

I sent out an e-mail to my league today saying he was available. So far no responses. I'd be surprised if anybody made an offer for him, much less a decent one. The guys in my league aren't dumb - they see how bad his production has been and with Delhomme gone it's pretty tough to get excited about Smith's potential for the rest of the season.

Exactly. If you can trade him on name, good for you. Doesn't work in my league... Same thing as LJ - you have to hold on and hope because their trade value will be less than my perception of their value anyway.

I actually think Smith for LJ would be the type of offer to pursue. I can't do it in my league because the guy with LJ is in first place and isn't looking to deal.

I'm the guy with both.... sigh.

Me too.

 

[Tau837]

It's all academic anyway. If Carr doesn't target Smith 12 times or more next game Smith will go ape-#### and kill him, so there'll be a new QB anyway. One that looks at the pummeled, mangles body of Carr and says "Damn, I better get that psycho the ball."

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

I just shipped him off with Graham for Addai. Good or bad? Anyway just wanting to throw this out there for those looking to dump Smith. What are others getting for him?

 

[brindrod]

I just shipped him off with Graham for Addai. Good or bad? Anyway just wanting to throw this out there for those looking to dump Smith. What are others getting for him?

You did well. You transformed what is essentially a WR2 (because of Carr) with an unknown quantaity at RB (Graham) for a stud RB1. There'll be plenty of Grahams popping out of the woodwork as the season goes along. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I managed to deal S.Smith/W.Dunn/B.Watson for F.Gore/R.Curry. I already have a great TE in Gates so Watson was the deal breaker.

 

[LeBomb]

Sure he could still be top 5. It wouldn't surprise anyone. But to EXPECT it to happen? I think top ten is more realistic...unless you really don't believe there is going to be any kind of dropoff.

T.O.

Randy

Houshmanzadeh

CJ

Roy

Wayne

Fitzgerald

Burress

Those are just some wr's off the top of my head-who would you bump down to put Steve Smith in the top five?

I would be happy with a top 10 finish. At this moment, I'm not sure that I could get a top 10 WR in return and my RBs are less of a concern for me. I will be holding onto Smitty and hoping that Carr can work the short pass magic that turned Andre Johnson into a real PPR steal. I have no stats to back this up.

 

[thayman]

Um so anyway I'm still keeping SS on my team.

Simply because you're keeping him doesn't mean he isn't going to fall off a cliff.

Simply because I'm keeping him does mean he could still be a top 5 WR.

Sure he could still be top 5. It wouldn't surprise anyone. But to EXPECT it to happen? I think top ten is more realistic...unless you really don't believe there is going to be any kind of dropoff.T.O.RandyHoushmanzadehCJRoyWayneFitzgeraldBurressThose are just some wr's off the top of my head-who would you bump down to put Steve Smith in the top five?

Braylon Edwards is also quietly putting up a very good season so far.