Steve Smith (1 Viewer)

[jurb26]

The issue was not with QB in THIS game. The issue was Smith not getting open and the one time he did for a big play, dropping the ball.

Wrong... I watched most of the game... (which I wish I would of watched more of the Chargers and Chiefs). There was a point in the game where the TV announcers said the OL was telling Carr to throw it to Steve Smith and not worry about the pressure they would take care of it. So obvious in their minds he wasn't seeing it enough...

Compare week #1 to this game...

If you watch Delhomme he will throw the ball to Smith singled up allot of times even when he is not open, allowing Smith to make a play. I don't know how many times I have seen Delhomme throw the ball short, with a CB who has his back turned and get a pass interference penalty from it. Smith first TD of the year was sort of that way he batted the ball up in the air to himself, with the DBs back turned. Carr don't make those throws. Carr is only going to throw the ball if he feels Smith is open. If not he is going to check down or scramble. Delhomme will give Smith the benefit of the doubt that he is going to beat his guy one on one.

An I seen Smith open a few times but by that time Carr had already decided to scramble.

Carr tried back to back plays deep to Smith when he was covered perfectly by Buchanan. One on a double move and one on PA. Perfect coverage, ball thrown anyways. I'm sure someone who watched the game recalls this. Really it just seems like I'm debating with lot of spoiled Smith owners who expect 15 targets a game. The guy had 9 targets. That is nothing to sniff at.

 

[jurb26]

Please read what I wrote. I said routinely. He had six such games last season. So in 43% of his games played he got 12-15 targets. That's pretty significant. And as posted above several of the "targets" were nowhere near him. There were multiple threads about this last week and in a couple of them I talked about Carr's inability to connect with Smith downfield being a significant potential issue - and it definitely was yesterday. That's where Delhomme and Smith make their living. And Smith needs that in order to maintain his status as an elite fantasy WR. But if that's gone he becomes rather ordinary - or as was the case yesterday, considerably less than ordinary.

Please read what I wrote. So Smith had 9 targets. He had 5 receptions. He also had at least 1 drop (I think it was 2). Buchanan had perfect coverage on 2 other passes, one a double move deep pass that Smith probably beats the CB on 8 of 10 times. So, now that is at least 3 other targets that were not incomplete because of Carr. So, 1 of the 9 was "off target." Regardless of if you or Barber want to admit it, TB did a great job against Smith. They limited his opportunities with tight coverage and minimized his YAC with strong tackling. I don't see why Carr should be thrown under the bus when Smith struggled to get open and dropped at least one easy pass that would have gone for a big gain. I don't care if Smith would have been targeted 5 more times in that game. The impression I had when watching it was even if he had, they would not have been plays that were going to hurt TB's D and thus create any big fantasy points. All players have down days, as apparent with the stats posted earlier.I should add that I don't think Carr is a great QB or anything, ony that he is taking way too much blame for Smith's stats.

If you watched the game, you SHOULD realize how horrible Carr is. He's AWFUL. Until his final meaningless drive of the game, IIRC he had about 7 for 26 for 40 yards and 1-2 INTs. Lots of his passes were horribly off the mark. He doesn't know how to use Smith.It seems like you're making an argument overall that Smith is overrated and not that good. To this, I present his history when not injured and with Weinke or Carr not at the helm. I'd say he's quite obviously elite to anyone with an unbiased view.

I've just got done telling you that I think Smith will be fine with Carr or w/o him. Carr may not have played as well as he should, but the bottom line is that neither did Smith which I still have not heard a single Smith supporter admit when it is blatantly obvious. YOu guys act as though Smith is impervious to having a bad day. Anytime he plays bellow your expectation it MUST be someone else's fault completely. Well, that simply is not true.

 

[packersfan]

Really it just seems like I'm debating with lot of spoiled Smith owners who expect 15 targets a game. The guy had 9 targets. That is nothing to sniff at.

Or you're arguing with people who either own Smith or don't but either way realize there's a rather significant difference between his production with Delhomme at QB and his potential production with David Carr at QB. The numbers don't lie. With Delhomme, Smith is an elite fantasy WR. That's proven. It's also a fact that no WR who has played with David Carr has been an elite WR and one could argue convincingly that his No. 1 WR in Houston has elite talent. Notice how good that WR was doing was once Carr left? Frankly, I'm stunned that anyone who watched that game yesterday could come to the defense of David Carr. Forget the fact that I'm a Smith owner. The bottom line here is Carr was pathetic yesterday. Was there a worse starting QB in the entire league in Week 4? Hell, Kelly Holcomb made better throws than Carr did and Holcomb is worthless.

 

[packersfan]

I've just got done telling you that I think Smith will be fine with Carr or w/o him. Carr may not have played as well as he should, but the bottom line is that neither did Smith which I still have not heard a single Smith supporter admit when it is blatantly obvious.

For what it's worth, I called out Smith last week and said he played poorly and it was one of the worst games I've seen from him in recent seasons. A number of people rushed to his defense and said my criticisms were off base. I stand by them. So I'm not some blind Smith owner who thinks he can do no wrong. If a player plays poorly I'll call him out on it regardless of whether I happen to like the guy or not.

 

[jurb26]

Really it just seems like I'm debating with lot of spoiled Smith owners who expect 15 targets a game. The guy had 9 targets. That is nothing to sniff at.

Or you're arguing with people who either own Smith or don't but either way realize there's a rather significant difference between his production with Delhomme at QB and his potential production with David Carr at QB. The numbers don't lie. With Delhomme, Smith is an elite fantasy WR. That's proven. It's also a fact that no WR who has played with David Carr has been an elite WR and one could argue convincingly that his No. 1 WR in Houston has elite talent. Notice how good that WR was doing was once Carr left? Frankly, I'm stunned that anyone who watched that game yesterday could come to the defense of David Carr. Forget the fact that I'm a Smith owner. The bottom line here is Carr was pathetic yesterday. Was there a worse starting QB in the entire league in Week 4? Hell, Kelly Holcomb made better throws than Carr did and Holcomb is worthless.

I could care less how poorly you think Carr played. Do you think Smith played up to his normal level? Do you think he got open as frequently as he should have? Do you think he made all the catches he should have?

 

[W1cked]

The issue was not with QB in THIS game. The issue was Smith not getting open and the one time he did for a big play, dropping the ball.

Wrong... I watched most of the game... (which I wish I would of watched more of the Chargers and Chiefs). There was a point in the game where the TV announcers said the OL was telling Carr to throw it to Steve Smith and not worry about the pressure they would take care of it. So obvious in their minds he wasn't seeing it enough...

Compare week #1 to this game...

If you watch Delhomme he will throw the ball to Smith singled up allot of times even when he is not open, allowing Smith to make a play. I don't know how many times I have seen Delhomme throw the ball short, with a CB who has his back turned and get a pass interference penalty from it. Smith first TD of the year was sort of that way he batted the ball up in the air to himself, with the DBs back turned. Carr don't make those throws. Carr is only going to throw the ball if he feels Smith is open. If not he is going to check down or scramble. Delhomme will give Smith the benefit of the doubt that he is going to beat his guy one on one.

An I seen Smith open a few times but by that time Carr had already decided to scramble.

Carr tried back to back plays deep to Smith when he was covered perfectly by Buchanan. One on a double move and one on PA. Perfect coverage, ball thrown anyways. I'm sure someone who watched the game recalls this. Really it just seems like I'm debating with lot of spoiled Smith owners who expect 15 targets a game. The guy had 9 targets. That is nothing to sniff at.

I don't recall the PA play, but yea Buchanan had the double move covered.... but IMHO Carr could have waited a little on that play put more air into it, knowing Smith is going to get seperation from Buchanan. The pass he threw was too easy for Buchanan to recover from. How about the pass on 4 and 6. Smith broke off a hook pattern and was open... Carr threw the ball 20 yards down the field to nobody?

 

[jurb26]

I've just got done telling you that I think Smith will be fine with Carr or w/o him. Carr may not have played as well as he should, but the bottom line is that neither did Smith which I still have not heard a single Smith supporter admit when it is blatantly obvious.

For what it's worth, I called out Smith last week and said he played poorly and it was one of the worst games I've seen from him in recent seasons. A number of people rushed to his defense and said my criticisms were off base. I stand by them. So I'm not some blind Smith owner who thinks he can do no wrong. If a player plays poorly I'll call him out on it regardless of whether I happen to like the guy or not.

Never mind the last post then. I did not see last weeks game. I would assume it is safe to say that Smith has played poorly 2 weeks in a row irregardless of what his QBs have done then. I don't expect a player like him to take that lightly. He will probably have a big week next week.

 

[H.K.]

I could care less how poorly you think Carr played. Do you think Smith played up to his normal level? Do you think he got open as frequently as he should have? Do you think he made all the catches he should have?

The whole point is that SSmith could not have played up to his normal level because his QB did not give him that opportunity. Hence the discussion of his value going forward. Will Carr play better or will Delhomme return in order for Smith to be the stud WR that he has been in the past? If Carr stays, it looks very bad for Smith. Delhomme needs to return, and right now, nobodys knows if or when that will happen.eta: just because a guy gets targets doesn't mean they were good opportunities. Smith has made plenty of plays on opportunities Delhomme gave him when most people would consider him covered. Carr did not give Smith a chance to make plays. You putting the onus on Smith in this scenario is ludicrous.

 

[jurb26]

The issue was not with QB in THIS game. The issue was Smith not getting open and the one time he did for a big play, dropping the ball.

Wrong... I watched most of the game... (which I wish I would of watched more of the Chargers and Chiefs). There was a point in the game where the TV announcers said the OL was telling Carr to throw it to Steve Smith and not worry about the pressure they would take care of it. So obvious in their minds he wasn't seeing it enough...

Compare week #1 to this game...

If you watch Delhomme he will throw the ball to Smith singled up allot of times even when he is not open, allowing Smith to make a play. I don't know how many times I have seen Delhomme throw the ball short, with a CB who has his back turned and get a pass interference penalty from it. Smith first TD of the year was sort of that way he batted the ball up in the air to himself, with the DBs back turned. Carr don't make those throws. Carr is only going to throw the ball if he feels Smith is open. If not he is going to check down or scramble. Delhomme will give Smith the benefit of the doubt that he is going to beat his guy one on one.

An I seen Smith open a few times but by that time Carr had already decided to scramble.

Carr tried back to back plays deep to Smith when he was covered perfectly by Buchanan. One on a double move and one on PA. Perfect coverage, ball thrown anyways. I'm sure someone who watched the game recalls this. Really it just seems like I'm debating with lot of spoiled Smith owners who expect 15 targets a game. The guy had 9 targets. That is nothing to sniff at.

I don't recall the PA play, but yea Buchanan had the double move covered.... but IMHO Carr could have waited a little on that play put more air into it, knowing Smith is going to get seperation from Buchanan. The pass he threw was too easy for Buchanan to remove from. How about the pass on 4 and 6. Smith broke off a hook pattern and was open... Carr threw the ball 15 yards down the field to nobody?

Honestly, I think there just comes a point when you have to give an opponent or defense a bit of credit. Car did try to get the ball to Smith 9 times. Maybe by the standards of what Smith owners are used to or expect that is not a great deal. I think it is certainly a fair chunk and would bet most NFL WRs (even elite ones) would agree. TB simply did a good job of containing him. I've been pretty down on TB for quite a while and heading into this season I had them pegged as one of the bottom 5 teams. I have to say, I was very impressed with them. Especially their D and Garcia. I think this is just a case of people not giving enough credit to TB for how well they played.

 

[jurb26]

I could care less how poorly you think Carr played. Do you think Smith played up to his normal level? Do you think he got open as frequently as he should have? Do you think he made all the catches he should have?

The whole point is that SSmith could not have played up to his normal level because his QB did not give him that opportunity. Hence the discussion of his value going forward. Will Carr play better or will Delhomme return in order for Smith to be the stud WR that he has been in the past? If Carr stays, it looks very bad for Smith. Delhomme needs to return, and right now, nobodys knows if or when that will happen.eta: just because a guy gets targets doesn't mean they were good opportunities. Smith has made plenty of plays on opportunities Delhomme gave him when most people would consider him covered. Carr did not give Smith a chance to make plays. You putting the onus on Smith in this scenario is ludicrous.

You're right, because he was covered and TB executed on defense.

 

[packersfan]

The whole point is that SSmith could not have played up to his normal level because his QB did not give him that opportunity. Hence the discussion of his value going forward. Will Carr play better or will Delhomme return in order for Smith to be the stud WR that he has been in the past? If Carr stays, it looks very bad for Smith. Delhomme needs to return, and right now, nobodys knows if or when that will happen.eta: just because a guy gets targets doesn't mean they were good opportunities. Smith has made plenty of plays on opportunities Delhomme gave him when most people would consider him covered. Carr did not give Smith a chance to make plays. You putting the onus on Smith in this scenario is ludicrous.

As strongly as I disagree with you about Javon Walker, I'm in complete agreement with you here. Seriously, the points being made that Smith was not given the opportunity to succeed is on the mark. It was made by some of us prior to the game, it was made by some of us after the game and it was made by Ronde Barber as well - and one would think he'd be a pretty good source for such information given his experience and standing in the league. I thought Smith played poorly last week. I place the blame for his poor production on his shoulders. I didn't think his head was in the game and he got taken out of his game too easily by an over-rated (in my opinion) cornerback. Yesterday's production I place at the feet of David Carr. The drop-off from Delhomme to Carr is significant and if Delhomme is out for long or for the remainder of the season there's every reason to believe Smith's production will suffer. As a Smith owner, I hope that doesn't happen but I have already lowered my expectations and after what I saw yesterday I may have to lower them even more (though, again, I do think he could go off against the Saints because the Saints' defense is so bad even David Carr has a chance against them).

 

[H.K.]

The whole point is that SSmith could not have played up to his normal level because his QB did not give him that opportunity. Hence the discussion of his value going forward. Will Carr play better or will Delhomme return in order for Smith to be the stud WR that he has been in the past? If Carr stays, it looks very bad for Smith. Delhomme needs to return, and right now, nobodys knows if or when that will happen.eta: just because a guy gets targets doesn't mean they were good opportunities. Smith has made plenty of plays on opportunities Delhomme gave him when most people would consider him covered. Carr did not give Smith a chance to make plays. You putting the onus on Smith in this scenario is ludicrous.

As strongly as I disagree with you about Javon Walker, I'm in complete agreement with you here. Seriously, the points being made that Smith was not given the opportunity to succeed is on the mark. It was made by some of us prior to the game, it was made by some of us after the game and it was made by Ronde Barber as well - and one would think he'd be a pretty good source for such information given his experience and standing in the league. I thought Smith played poorly last week. I place the blame for his poor production on his shoulders. I didn't think his head was in the game and he got taken out of his game too easily by an over-rated (in my opinion) cornerback. Yesterday's production I place at the feet of David Carr. The drop-off from Delhomme to Carr is significant and if Delhomme is out for long or for the remainder of the season there's every reason to believe Smith's production will suffer. As a Smith owner, I hope that doesn't happen but I have already lowered my expectations and after what I saw yesterday I may have to lower them even more (though, again, I do think he could go off against the Saints because the Saints' defense is so bad even David Carr has a chance against them).

The only real hope for Smith is that the OC figures out a way for Carr to get him the ball, either quicker releases or convinving the QB to just let Smith go get it even if Carr thinks its not there....IHMO that is an too tall an order for any sustained success. As for Walker, Marshall scored again this week.

 

[W1cked]

I'm not sure if it was Carr or the play calling, but the Panthers didn't see like they looked to throw much in the middle of the field. I recall in the 4th quarter Carr completed one pass to King who was wide open down the middle and the announcers were saying finally.. that they should of been doing that much earlier. Can't blame that on Steve Smith...

 

[H.K.]

I'm not sure if it was Carr or the play calling, but the Panthers didn't see like they looked to throw much in the middle of the field. I recall in the 4th quarter Carr completed one pass to King who was wide open down the middle and the announcers were saying finally.. that they should of been doing that much earlier. Can't blame that on Steve Smith...

This week should be telling. If they are going to get back on track, this seems like as good a time as any....another division loss would be baaad. Its on the road, so that's good...should be interesting to hear how the team reacts to Jenkins' comments, too.Your avatar is awesome btw.

 

[W1cked]

I'm not sure if it was Carr or the play calling, but the Panthers didn't see like they looked to throw much in the middle of the field. I recall in the 4th quarter Carr completed one pass to King who was wide open down the middle and the announcers were saying finally.. that they should of been doing that much earlier. Can't blame that on Steve Smith...

This week should be telling. If they are going to get back on track, this seems like as good a time as any....another division loss would be baaad. Its on the road, so that's good...should be interesting to hear how the team reacts to Jenkins' comments, too.Your avatar is awesome btw.

Thanks... that's my dog Rowdy. He's a year and half old American Bulldog.

 

[simey]

Delhomme is still day to day. Whether he has surgery is up to him. If his elbow feels better this week and he can throw, I imagine he'll play.

Hurney: Surgery not scheduled for DelhommeSTAN OLSONsolson@charlotteobserver.com A Fox Sports reporter said on the network's pregame show Sunday that he had learned in a talk with Carolina coach John Fox this week that Panthers quarterback Jake Delhomme, who did not play Sunday with what has been described as a sprained elbow, would need surgery, if not soon, then after the season.Carolina general manager Marty Hurney, though, said before the game that that isn't the case."There's no surgery scheduled or planned at this time," Hurney said. "From the very beginning we've said that. We're re-evaluating this on a day-to-day basis while Jake is going through the rehab process."Rehab is the first option, how the body part feels through the process determines what goes on from day-to-day.''Delhomme dressed for the game and was designated as the team's third quarterback. A tell-tale sign that the Panthers aren't expecting surgery anytime soon was that they didn't sign a veteran quarterback to the roster last week.Asked about the network's comment after the game, Fox said, "There's an option that he could have surgery. I can't tell him what he's going to have. It's his arm and his body, but that is a possibility."That could be a possibility for a lot of guys at the end of the season. Nothing has been decided at this point."

 

[Sabertooth]

So, say Jake is out a few more weeks (cautiously optimistic this is not the case but I digress), will Carr, and Fox to some extent, not learn that Steve Smith needs the ball? He's perhaps the most explosive offensive player in the conference, if not the entire league. I mean, Jake is hurt, he's not mute. Don't you think in those QB meetings, Jake is going to lobby hard for the ball to be put in Steve's hands?

I think we all forget that these are real people and teammates. Jake doesn't want Carr to lose games for them, especially if he is coming back this season. He wants to get in the playoffs. Fox wants to remain a head coach in the NFL. Steve wants the ball and doesn't have a track record of being agreeable when he is angry.

I think Steve bounces back either way. In my PPR league Tampa is the 7th ranked defense vs. wideouts at 23.33 PPG surrendered. Quickly glancing at the WR production from the CAR-TB game, it appears they gave up about 17 points to the wideouts. This is almost the exact amount that the Seahawks and Rams got against them. Only Nawlins broke out against them, and that was with the help of a garbage time touchdown by Colston.

Tampa's defense is for real. And it's not just the d-backs that have to do with covering an opposing wideout. As a team they are generally keeping opposing wideouts well in check. Magnifying this is the fact that this was a divisional game.

 

[FavreCo]

As an Andre owner since his rookie year, all I can say is I feel your pain. There's not much you can do but wait it out.

 

[glvsav37]

I have nothing to add except:

I sold SS last week for a 2nd rd pick and Braylon Edwards.



you may now return to your regular thread

 

[NatronIsMean]

Please read what I wrote. I said routinely. He had six such games last season. So in 43% of his games played he got 12-15 targets. That's pretty significant. And as posted above several of the "targets" were nowhere near him. There were multiple threads about this last week and in a couple of them I talked about Carr's inability to connect with Smith downfield being a significant potential issue - and it definitely was yesterday. That's where Delhomme and Smith make their living. And Smith needs that in order to maintain his status as an elite fantasy WR. But if that's gone he becomes rather ordinary - or as was the case yesterday, considerably less than ordinary.

Please read what I wrote. So Smith had 9 targets. He had 5 receptions. He also had at least 1 drop (I think it was 2). Buchanan had perfect coverage on 2 other passes, one a double move deep pass that Smith probably beats the CB on 8 of 10 times. So, now that is at least 3 other targets that were not incomplete because of Carr. So, 1 of the 9 was "off target." Regardless of if you or Barber want to admit it, TB did a great job against Smith. They limited his opportunities with tight coverage and minimized his YAC with strong tackling. I don't see why Carr should be thrown under the bus when Smith struggled to get open and dropped at least one easy pass that would have gone for a big gain. I don't care if Smith would have been targeted 5 more times in that game. The impression I had when watching it was even if he had, they would not have been plays that were going to hurt TB's D and thus create any big fantasy points. All players have down days, as apparent with the stats posted earlier.I should add that I don't think Carr is a great QB or anything, ony that he is taking way too much blame for Smith's stats.

If you watched the game, you SHOULD realize how horrible Carr is. He's AWFUL. Until his final meaningless drive of the game, IIRC he had about 7 for 26 for 40 yards and 1-2 INTs. Lots of his passes were horribly off the mark. He doesn't know how to use Smith.It seems like you're making an argument overall that Smith is overrated and not that good. To this, I present his history when not injured and with Weinke or Carr not at the helm. I'd say he's quite obviously elite to anyone with an unbiased view.

I've just got done telling you that I think Smith will be fine with Carr or w/o him. Carr may not have played as well as he should, but the bottom line is that neither did Smith which I still have not heard a single Smith supporter admit when it is blatantly obvious. YOu guys act as though Smith is impervious to having a bad day. Anytime he plays bellow your expectation it MUST be someone else's fault completely. Well, that simply is not true.

I just disagree on the level of impact from Carr being at the helm. Has Smith had bad days while healthy and with Delhomme at the helm? Absolutely. Are Carr and Weinke MUCH worse QBs than Delhomme, not to mention without the strong rapport? Absolutely. I will NOT start Smith with Carr at the helm until I'm proven wrong. On the same note, I will start Smith immediately when Delhomme is back, regardless of matchup. That's how strongly I pin this on the QB personally. As a side note, TB is solid this year on D. Still, Carr is putrid.

 

[Sleeper 43]

Two consecutive weeks the guy has failed to produce anything worthy of a start in fantasy football. With Delhome looking like he will miss some significant time, is it time to part ways with Smith and get what you can for the guy? I'm afraid at this point that I'd take just about anything for him...

In Re-draft, depending on how long Delhomme will be out and if your team can sustain in the meantime, I would hold him. You wont get what you deserve for him right now anyway.In Dynasty you'll probably get 3 horrible offers from potential buyers who think you've given up him but your smarter than that........................ right?

 

[Sabertooth]

How has Delhomme done without Smith in there? He was the QB during Muhammed's career year too right?

 

[NatronIsMean]

Really it just seems like I'm debating with lot of spoiled Smith owners who expect 15 targets a game. The guy had 9 targets. That is nothing to sniff at.

Or you're arguing with people who either own Smith or don't but either way realize there's a rather significant difference between his production with Delhomme at QB and his potential production with David Carr at QB. The numbers don't lie. With Delhomme, Smith is an elite fantasy WR. That's proven. It's also a fact that no WR who has played with David Carr has been an elite WR and one could argue convincingly that his No. 1 WR in Houston has elite talent. Notice how good that WR was doing was once Carr left? Frankly, I'm stunned that anyone who watched that game yesterday could come to the defense of David Carr. Forget the fact that I'm a Smith owner. The bottom line here is Carr was pathetic yesterday. Was there a worse starting QB in the entire league in Week 4? Hell, Kelly Holcomb made better throws than Carr did and Holcomb is worthless.

I could care less how poorly you think Carr played. Do you think Smith played up to his normal level? Do you think he got open as frequently as he should have? Do you think he made all the catches he should have?

I will concede this: I wouldn't be surprised if Smith didn't go 100% on some plays yesterday Randy Moss-style. And for that, Smith deserves criticism if true. He's a temperamental player, and I could see him acting out his frustration. Whether that frustration is justified or not, he's wrong to not give full effort.So could he have given less effort with Carr at the helm? Yes. End result: The same regardless - I simply can't start Smith with Carr at the helm...

 

[NatronIsMean]

You're right, because he was covered and TB executed on defense. Oh, and when he could have made a play, Carr threw horrid passes most of the time.

Fixed.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Everything I've read indicates Delhomme could be back as soon as next week.

 

[packersfan]

Andre Johnson's Ranking W/David Carr At QB

2003 - 23rd

2004 - 22nd

2005 - 47th

2006 - 16th

Andre Johnson's Ranking Without David Carr

2007 - 4th

Steve Smith's Ranking W/David Carr At QB

2007 - 47th (and it could go down with 3 top WRs yet to play)

Steve Smith's Ranking Without David Carr

2007 - 4th (though part of Week 3 involved Carr)

Just one game and we'll certainly keep tracking this as the weeks go on.

 

[omally]

I will concede this: I wouldn't be surprised if Smith didn't go 100% on some plays yesterday Randy Moss-style. And for that, Smith deserves criticism if true. He's a temperamental player, and I could see him acting out his frustration. Whether that frustration is justified or not, he's wrong to not give full effort.So could he have given less effort with Carr at the helm? Yes. End result: The same regardless - I simply can't start Smith with Carr at the helm...

What are you talking about? Steve Smith gives 100% every time he is on the field. When they were getting spanked by Houston in the 4th quarter, Smith still didn't give up, and broke tackles, and ran in for that 70 something yard TD. Smith was very frustrated yesterday, and you could see how mad he was while he was talking to the OC on the phone yesterday while on the sideline. He does not take plays off like Moss.

 

[AngryGorilla]

ok, it's thoroughly established and overstated that Carr blows....what kind of offers are people getting for Steve Smith?

 

[greyone]

just offered

Just offered Steve Smith-Jericho Cothcery-Dom Rhodes(he is a lamont owner) for AJ and Randy. He is a Steve Smith fan. His team is injury plagued has zero wr depth.

 

[NOONAN]

The issue was not with QB in THIS game. The issue was Smith not getting open and the one time he did for a big play, dropping the ball.

Wrong... I watched most of the game... (which I wish I would of watched more of the Chargers and Chiefs). There was a point in the game where the TV announcers said the OL was telling Carr to throw it to Steve Smith and not worry about the pressure they would take care of it. So obvious in their minds he wasn't seeing it enough...

Compare week #1 to this game...

If you watch Delhomme he will throw the ball to Smith singled up allot of times even when he is not open, allowing Smith to make a play. I don't know how many times I have seen Delhomme throw the ball short, with a CB who has his back turned and get a pass interference penalty from it. Smith first TD of the year was sort of that way he batted the ball up in the air to himself, with the DBs back turned. Carr don't make those throws. Carr is only going to throw the ball if he feels Smith is open. If not he is going to check down or scramble. Delhomme will give Smith the benefit of the doubt that he is going to beat his guy one on one.

An I seen Smith open a few times but by that time Carr had already decided to scramble.

This should end the discussion right here. Chemistry and trust between Delhomme and Smith is why they are a successful tandem. Carr does not have the same level of trust with Smith.

After reviewing film, you can bet Carr will throw similar passes to Smith, though! Even the OL is telling him to throw to Smith.

 

[footballnerd]

Carr didnt play with the team last year and with Delhomme's struggles last year, I'm sure Jake got all the 1st team practice reps so far this year. So these two really only had 1.5 games to build rapport. Carolina's pass SOS looks pretty good the rest of the way, I think Steve picks it up. Carr may never be a good starter FFL wise due to his receptions, but he made a decent WR out of Andre Johnson with no O-line in Houston. He should be able to build chemistry with Smith eventually. Give it two more weeks to see progress. If anything bench Stevie for another option. He stays in my lineup tho.

 

[footballnerd]

Carr didnt play with the team last year and with Delhomme's struggles last year, I'm sure Jake got all the 1st team practice reps so far this year. So these two really only had 1.5 games to build rapport. Carolina's pass SOS looks pretty good the rest of the way, I think Steve picks it up. Carr may never be a good starter FFL wise due to his receptions, but he made a decent WR out of Andre Johnson with no O-line in Houston. He should be able to build chemistry with Smith eventually. Give it two more weeks to see progress. If anything bench Stevie for another option. He stays in my lineup tho.

oops, "due to Carr's interceptions"

 

[hwjchim]

Well, in 1 of the 2 leagues that I own him, I just traded SS + Eli + $6 cap money for Romo and Nate Burleson.

Yeah, Jake could be back this week. But then again he could not.

So in this case, I had to jump all over Romo as he is the #1 qb in my league right now.

 

[brindrod]

Two consecutive weeks the guy has failed to produce anything worthy of a start in fantasy football. With Delhome looking like he will miss some significant time, is it time to part ways with Smith and get what you can for the guy? I'm afraid at this point that I'd take just about anything for him...

Don't sell him low yet. A few minutes ago, I managed to snag Frank Gore for Steve Smith in a multi-player trade. S. Smith/W. Dunn/B. Watsonfor F. Gore/R. CurryHe still has value. You just won't be able to sell him to the the GM who has subscription to footballguys.

 

[PahtyTom]

ok, it's thoroughly established and overstated that Carr blows....what kind of offers are people getting for Steve Smith?

Just got offered Marvin harrison and Cotchery for him. I'm leaning toward doing it because I really have no clue how Smith will end up and if Delhomme will come back and if he'll be healthy and so on. Plus I love Cotchery.

 

[footballnerd]

Should I trade Steve Smith for Lynch?

 

[palisades]

Any thoughts on this topic now that Delhomme looks to be out for the year?

 

[PantherPower]

I'd wait and hope the Panthers trade for a QB before the deadline before I move him (unless you get a good offer)

 

[Bears_Man2]

Furthermore, if Manning went down and his backup came in I would still expect the WRs to play up to normal levels.

I'm sure all we say things from time-2-time that we don't mean, but you seriously believe that Wayne/Harrison/Clark would have as good of stats with Sorgi under center?