Steven Crowder Goes Off on "Social Justice Warriors" (1 Viewer)

[RedmondLonghorn]

Sure.  And I'm fine with complaints about administrators making decisions like that. But complaining about college kids complaining, just on the theory that it might eventually lead to that? 

It is already leading to it. 

 

[Henry Ford]

Sure. I didn't mean to imply that anybody's constitutional rights were being violated by an angry mob of ####### yelling about their safe spaces being violated.

But that doesn't mean it is a good thing either.

And when the administrations of these universities become so compliant to the wishes of the sensitive few and the full weight of the instiutions begins to lean on people who want to voice unpopular opinions, at that point it is arguably a Constitutional issue.

I know it's de rigeur to say that money doesn't really influence people with authority, but I'd imagine that if college didn't cost six figures the administration wouldn't feel the need to make sure everyone felt super comfortable every minute of every day in school.

 

[Chaka]

Yeah I hate all those loudmouths trying to deny people basic human dignity, like marriage rights, because they find it icky.

Socail Justice Jerks

 

[roadkill1292]

Maher is not nearly the leftist people try to make him out to be.  One need to look no further than his stance on Islam to see that.

Most of us lefties don't think well of Islam at all. Non-lefties are sometimes confused by the fact that we rail against discrimination against someone because they're Moslem. 

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Again...it all comes down to extremes.  

If you say "I support reevaluating abortion laws in this country" I may not agree but I'll listen to you.

If you say "We should bomb abortion clinics!"  You're a crapstain.

If you say "There is nothing wrong with using tax money to provide the poor people of this country with a helping hand"  No problem.

If you say "Rich people do nothing but take away from poor people"  You're stupid.

If you say "We need to be careful not to perpetuate out-dated and offensive stereotypes when it comes to race and gender."  You're cool.

If you say "White people shouldn't eat Mexican food or listen to rap because it's cultural appropriation!"  You should eat a bag of multicultural #####.

 

[Henry Ford]

Again...it all comes down to extremes.  

If you say "I support reevaluating abortion laws in this country" I may not agree but I'll listen to you.

If you say "We should bomb abortion clinics!"  You're a crapstain.

If you say "There is nothing wrong with using tax money to provide the poor people of this country with a helping hand"  No problem.

If you say "Rich people do nothing but take away from poor people"  You're stupid.

If you say "We need to be careful not to perpetuate out-dated and offensive stereotypes when it comes to race and gender."  You're cool.

If you say "White people shouldn't eat Mexican food or listen to rap because it's cultural appropriation!"  You should eat a bag of multicultural #####.

Whoah, whoah - Mexican food? I'm supposed to stop eating Mexican food for some reason other than destroying my plumbing?

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

And besides, free speech isn't a good thing because it's in the constitution.  It's in the constitution because its a good thing.  I have huge problems with private universities who dis-invite speakers, for example, even though they're clearly within their rights to do so.  

I think that's misapprehending what's in the Constitution.  Free speech is a Miltonian construction and it assumes a marketplace of ideas.  The prohibition against government controls on speech assumes that the marketplace itself is situated to handle what is and what is no acceptable speech in a social context.  Crappy ideas die out not because the government stamps them out, but because they're crappy ideas.  So I don't see any issue in a private college rescinding a speech invitation when a large portion of its constituents tell its administrators that they don't want to hear crappy ideas.

Now, college students can be wrong about what is or what is not a crappy idea.  When I was a college student I thought the Dave Matthews Band wasn't a crappy band.

 

[Chaka]

If you touch my Mexican food I will kick your nuts in their nuts!

 

[Henry Ford]

I think that's misapprehending what's in the Constitution.  Free speech is a Miltonian construction and it assumes a marketplace of ideas.  The prohibition against government controls on speech assumes that the marketplace itself is situated to handle what is and what is no acceptable speech in a social context.  Crappy ideas die out not because the government stamps them out, but because they're crappy ideas.  So I don't see any issue in a private college rescinding a speech invitation when a large portion of its constituents tell its administrators that they don't want to hear crappy ideas.

Now, college students can be wrong about what is or what is not a crappy idea.  When I was a college student I thought the Dave Matthews Band wasn't a crappy band.

I liked this, but I don't want you to think that's because it's okay to have thought DMB wasn't a crappy band.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

I liked this, but I don't want you to think that's because it's okay to have thought DMB wasn't a crappy band.

It's a shame I bear everyday.  It's not made any easier by my workplace's refusal to provide a trigger warning for anytime some atonal yodeling might break out in the office.

 

[ShamrockPride]

Is the FFA so collectively old that we nod our heads at this kind of bunkum?

Yes it is, and it is embraced. No room here for dirty millennials.

 

[Rove!]

Maher is not nearly the leftist people try to make him out to be.  One need to look no further than his stance on Islam to see that.

Maher strikes me as knee-jerk reactionist type of guy, which tends to lean left, but is also prevalent in Trump...

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Lemme guess. You barely graduated high school and are voting for Donald Trump.

Do people like you?

 

[squistion]

Maher is not nearly the leftist people try to make him out to be.  One need to look no further than his stance on Islam to see that.

That is pretty much it, though. Seems to me that most of his other positions fall squarely in the liberal/progressive camp.

 

[HellToupee]

Lemme guess. You barely graduated high school and are voting for Donald Trump.

love guys like this 

 

[matuski]

wtf is a safe space, and wtf are trigger warnings.

 

[Steve Tasker]

The first time I heard the term social justice warrior used pejoratively was when I started hearing about the whole gamersgate thing. I'd post a link to an explanation about gamers gate, but once I read about it, I realized I'd wasted my time by reading about it, so I'll spare you all the same.

I kid you not, I have wasted way too much of my life trying to understand what GamerGate even is.  It's been like a year and a half and I still don't get it.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

I kid you not, I have wasted way too much of my life trying to understand what GamerGate even is.  It's been like a year and a half and I still don't get it.

It's about ethics in journalism, Tasker.

 

[wazoo11]

Syracuse University law student Len Audaer was investigated for harassment for comedic articles he posted on a satirical law school blog patterned after The Onion.

A female student at the University of Oregon was investigated and charged with harassment and four other charges for jokingly yelling “I hit it first” out a window at a couple.

https://www.thefire.org/department-of-justice-title-ix-requires-violating-first-amendment/

Things are getting out of hand on college campuses.

 

[TobiasFunke]

https://www.thefire.org/department-of-justice-title-ix-requires-violating-first-amendment/

Things are getting out of hand on college campuses.

There are currently 17.5 million students enrolled in US college and universities. Stupid, unfair, weird #### is gonna happen from time to time within a sample size of 17.5 million.

 

[Henry Ford]

wtf is a safe space, and wtf are trigger warnings.

Near as I can tell, a "safe space" is one where you can't say anything that might be construed even by someone who's insane as racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. and "trigger warnings" are warnings to people who have a history of trauma that whatever comes next may trigger their trauma.  Like "trigger warning: sexual assault" before a class discussion about someone having been groped on a train or something.

Basically, it sounds like either or both would have caused the immediate expulsion of every member of my law school class and the immediate firing of every professor.  But that was a long time ago.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I think that's misapprehending what's in the Constitution.  Free speech is a Miltonian construction and it assumes a marketplace of ideas.  The prohibition against government controls on speech assumes that the marketplace itself is situated to handle what is and what is no acceptable speech in a social context.  Crappy ideas die out not because the government stamps them out, but because they're crappy ideas.  So I don't see any issue in a private college rescinding a speech invitation when a large portion of its constituents tell its administrators that they don't want to hear crappy ideas.

Now, college students can be wrong about what is or what is not a crappy idea.  When I was a college student I thought the Dave Matthews Band wasn't a crappy band.

But that last part is really the point.  Not the part about Dave Matthews Band, although you're obviously right about them, but the previous line.  First of all, college students are highly likely to be wrong about what's a crappy idea and what isn't.  All of us can agree that inviting a KKK leader to a campus forum would be stunningly awful and well outside the lines of what's reasonable, but college students are almost uniquely unsuited to knowing where that line is.  That's why they're students, after all.  

More importantly, though, I'm of the opinion that if your college isn't regularly exposing you to crappy ideas, then your college isn't doing its job.  By "crappy" here, I mean ideas that may be unfamiliar to you, that you strongly disagree with, and hopefully that get your blood pressure up a little.  I don't mean "crappy" in the sense of "conservative bomb-thrower modeled after Ann Coulter" or whatever the left-wing analog would be, which is what I suspect you meant so I'm admittedly moving the goal posts a tad.  I mean people who intelligently but forcefully push the boundaries and knock people out of their comfort zones.  I know I personally benefited tremendously from some very left-wing faculty members exactly for that reason.  That sort of intellectual life shouldn't be subject to veto by any group of students.  

 

[Black Box]

This is probably appropriate here.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/

 

[avoiding injuries]

So skoo may be the biggest racist on the board, if you could be racist for hating white people. 

 

[cstu]

That is pretty much it, though. Seems to me that most of his other positions fall squarely in the liberal/progressive camp.

I don't consider Mahar's stance on Islam to be anti-liberal. Islam is a complicated issue that Mahar chooses to treat as a simple one.  He's absolutely right about certain aspects of the religion.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Ok I've been busy, I just caught the video, I enjoyed it.

The 'don't be an   your whole life' seems important. I've been bemused by the whole SJW thing but only because I can't imagine this ever having any real world application but weirdly enough this undemocratic viewpoint seems to be widespread on campuses around the country. Lord, be cool, drink beer, get laid or try to, enjoy yourself, hard to understand this hyperserious and angry attitude in college.

On second thought I seriously blame the Internet.

 

[Loan Sharks]

Pretty bad guess there.

That's par for the Skoo course, he hasn't had a correct guess in over six months about what will happen with Trump.

 

[Daywalker]

Kind of hack material at this point.

 

[Loan Sharks]

How is this new term any different from Rush's old "feminazis"?

its always the same formula: whenever there is a position you don't like, you find the most extreme exponents of that point of view and focus on their intolerance. That allows you to misrepresent anybody who holds the same point of view as extremist. Thus instead of having to argue against a reasonable POV, you get to argue against extremism and intolerance, which everybody hates. The right and the left use this all the time and it never fails to be effective. Sounds to me like SJW is just the latest variant. 

Well this pretty much explains your playbook for talking about Donald Trump. 

 

[timschochet]

I like "Ants Marching" and "Satellite". Does that make me evil? 

 

[hagmania]

It's kind of endearing to see the FFA learn about the world of SJWs the last few months.

I believe there are some who are true champions of their cause, but most Tumblrinas are just attention seekers.

 

[rockaction]

I would just like to point out that the fundamental right of free speech is not solely because of the marketplace of ideas nor any other utile concern; it needs no justification. It is an end unto itself, inalienable, a right not granted by utile men, but a right granted by God or nature against the State. I hate utile discussions of free speech; they're 19th century constructs, nothing more. Free speech does not need a "policy justification." (This is directed at the lawyers.) Free speech is free speech because free speech is given to us by virtue of birth and inalienability. We are born with it, we cannot cede it. 

I think this might be an important distinction to make here.  

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

More:

Milo Mayhem: Activists Storm Stage, Threaten Milo at DePaul Event



Milo Yiannopoulos’ event at DePaul University had to be cut short Tuesday night after protesters stormed the stage, blew whistles, grabbed the microphone out of the interviewer’s hand, and threatened to punch Yiannopoulos in the face.


Yiannopoulos attempted to continue the event, but protesters refused to leave the stage and the group of security guards (which DePaul forced both the organisers and Breitbart to pay for) refused to intervene.

The male ringleader continued to pace along the stage with his whistle, refusing to let Yiannopoulos speak for extended amounts of time, while the female ringleader forcibly snatched the microphone from the interviewer’s hand and shouted at Yiannopoulos just inches away from his face.

The male ringleader screamed “Feel the Bern” and chanted against Donald Trump, whilst the female ringleader chanted “Black Lives Matter”.

Responding to the amount of black female protesters who had turned up, Yiannopoulos hypothesized that it was because he had sex with their brothers.

“I give it 20 minutes”, announced Yiannopoulos. “The black incarceration rates are about to go up”.

The female ringleader also claimed that she had been silenced “for 200 years”, prompting Yiannopoulos to question how the supposed 200 year-old protester looked so young.

After an extended period of time, the crowd started to chant “Do your job” at security, who remained at the back of the venue for the entire event. When security refused to intervene, Yiannopoulos posed for pictures with fans in the audience, and ordered the crowd to follow him to the college president’s office.

“I suggest we walk to the president’s office and complain now. Let us go and express how you feel to the president about your safety”, he remarked.

After Milo and most of the crowd left in a march for the president’s office, a minor scuffle between protesters and fans occurred back by the stage. Black Lives Matter and Milo fans chanted against each other outside the venue, with Milo’s fans chanting “USA” and “Breitbart!”

Outside the event, mayhem continued, with Milo’s 550-strong audience clashing with a huge crowd of left-wing activists. One attendee, Matt Forney, was grabbed by activists as he attempted to film the march.

Yiannopoulos confirmed to his followers that he had not suffered harm and blasted the school’s security officers for their failure to intervene.

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/05/24/milo-yiannopoulos-protesters-storm-stage-depaul-university/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unoBT8Te13g


This is nuts, I have no idea why this does not get people ejected from DePaul for violating the academic code.

- Also the guy who filmed this was actually arrested and went to jail overnight.

 

[Chaka]

More:

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/05/24/milo-yiannopoulos-protesters-storm-stage-depaul-university/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unoBT8Te13g


This is nuts, I have no idea why this does not get people ejected from DePaul for violating the academic code.

- Also the guy who filmed this was actually arrested and went to jail overnight.

Yeah, it's shameful and I don't support it on any level but when I hear people at Trump rallies telling black people to go back to Africa or, or spitting on them or elbowing non-violent protesters in the face it makes things like this seem a little less outrageous.

 

[McGarnicle]

I like "Ants Marching" and "Satellite". Does that make me evil? 

My wife is a Dave superfan. We got to meet him a few weeks ago at his winery in Charlottesville, the day before his 25th anniversary concert. The show was actually pretty good, and/or I was really drunk and high.

 

[Ilov80s]

What is the issue with this Milos guy? 

 

[Dignan_]

It's the same concept. Paint the other side as extremist and intolerant. 

Is this called irony or hypocrisy?

 

[Dignan_]

What is the issue with this Milos guy? 

He is a flaming homosexual and supports Trump. SJWs don't know what to do with themselves so they lash out. 

 

[cstu]

He is a flaming homosexual and supports Trump. SJWs don't know what to do with themselves so they lash out. 

Milos is a character like Ali G. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Yeah, it's shameful and I don't support it on any level but when I hear people at Trump rallies telling black people to go back to Africa or, or spitting on them or elbowing non-violent protesters in the face it makes things like this seem a little less outrageous.

I think what bugs me is the overall change of tenor in this country. To me free speech is a total cherished right and as for Trump supporters doing that stuff it doesn't mitigate what goes on elsewhere it merely reflects an overall growing ball of disrespect and desire for authoritarianism. I find the whole thing quite vexing really.

 

[cstu]

Ok I've been busy, I just caught the video, I enjoyed it.

The 'don't be an   your whole life' seems important. I've been bemused by the whole SJW thing but only because I can't imagine this ever having any real world application but weirdly enough this undemocratic viewpoint seems to be widespread on campuses around the country. Lord, be cool, drink beer, get laid or try to, enjoy yourself, hard to understand this hyperserious and angry attitude in college.

On second thought I seriously blame the Internet.

Social media is a positive feedback loop for extremist ideas of all sorts.

 

[squistion]

He is a flaming homosexual and supports Trump. SJWs don't know what to do with themselves so they lash out. 

 

[Chaka]

I think what bugs me is the overall change of tenor in this country. To me free speech is a total cherished right and as for Drumpf supporters doing that stuff it doesn't mitigate what goes on elsewhere it merely reflects an overall growing ball of disrespect and desire for authoritarianism. I find the whole thing quite vexing really.

Well maybe it doesn't mitigate but when the Drumpf side seems to be motivated by nationalism (if you used the word "racism" there I wouldn't disagree) then it makes it difficult to not root for the ones opposing them.

 

[chet]

My wife thought a SJW was someone who worked with the poor to help them improve their station and was surprised when I told her that I thought that they were complete idiots.  I then explained what they actually stand for.