Steven Jackson to ATL (1 Viewer)

[Grahamburn]

Getting out of the NFC West probably doesn't hurt either.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Getting out of the NFC West probably doesn't hurt either.

The Falcons play all four teams in the NFC West this year.

 

[cstu]

Likely more hype than substance. The Falcons have Roddy, Gonzo, and Julio. The league is a passing league. I don't think the Falcons think they will be a better team running SJAX 20-30 times a game. They had a great record last year doing what they do and they were on the record saying they wanted to save the RB's legs for when it mattered. He will be better than Turner but he's not going to be through the roof in real value.Personally, I think if SJAX wanted a ring, he should have maybe signed with Green Bay or Pitt. I just don't think the Falcons have what it takes.

They run enough. And no way they expect 20-30 carries a game. He should get around 250 and a LOT more catches than Turner. I don't think 16-17 carries a game is unrealistic at all. It's probably the best place he could have landed. Maybe not the most touches of anywhere he coulda gone, but more quality touches and easily more TDs. If anything I might call it an ever so slight hit to Ryan's numbers

I say that only because SJAX was on record as saying he wanted to go soemwhere to win a SB and where he could be a bell cow back. I don't think he met either of those.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, I jsut happen to completely disagree with yours.Atlanta is a strong candidate for a 1st round bye and home field advantage. He will be their bellcow. 250 carries and 50 catches sounds like a bellcow to me in this day and age of football. PLus 12-15 TDs. So, team with great shot at the best record, and 300 touches. What is the problem exactly??

Strong candidate - so are perhaps 5-6 other teams, including Green Bay.Any thoughts on dynasty vs just one year results?Jackson has 2800 touches (2400 carries + 400 receptions) over 9 years, including three 300+ carry seasons.Turner came to Atlanta after being under-used and still on the front end. St Louis moved on to two younger backs.I agree what's not to love here about the situation, especially this year, but for how long, how long. This will be his tenth season.

Enjoy this one year and hope for the best in 2014.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Real life NFL - Offense wasn't Atlanta's reason for losing in the playoffs.

They were shut out in the 2nd half of a playoff game they lost by 4. And turned the ball over on downs in the red zone at the end. If the offense had managed just 3 points prior to that in the 2nd half, they could have taken the lead and quite possibly won.

 

[ghostguy123]

Likely more hype than substance. The Falcons have Roddy, Gonzo, and Julio. The league is a passing league. I don't think the Falcons think they will be a better team running SJAX 20-30 times a game. They had a great record last year doing what they do and they were on the record saying they wanted to save the RB's legs for when it mattered. He will be better than Turner but he's not going to be through the roof in real value.Personally, I think if SJAX wanted a ring, he should have maybe signed with Green Bay or Pitt. I just don't think the Falcons have what it takes.

They run enough. And no way they expect 20-30 carries a game. He should get around 250 and a LOT more catches than Turner. I don't think 16-17 carries a game is unrealistic at all. It's probably the best place he could have landed. Maybe not the most touches of anywhere he coulda gone, but more quality touches and easily more TDs. If anything I might call it an ever so slight hit to Ryan's numbers

I say that only because SJAX was on record as saying he wanted to go soemwhere to win a SB and where he could be a bell cow back. I don't think he met either of those.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, I jsut happen to completely disagree with yours.Atlanta is a strong candidate for a 1st round bye and home field advantage. He will be their bellcow. 250 carries and 50 catches sounds like a bellcow to me in this day and age of football. PLus 12-15 TDs. So, team with great shot at the best record, and 300 touches. What is the problem exactly??

Strong candidate - so are perhaps 5-6 other teams, including Green Bay.Any thoughts on dynasty vs just one year results?Jackson has 2800 touches (2400 carries + 400 receptions) over 9 years, including three 300+ carry seasons.Turner came to Atlanta after being under-used and still on the front end. St Louis moved on to two younger backs.I agree what's not to love here about the situation, especially this year, but for how long, how long. This will be his tenth season.

Well, unfortunately he can't sign a contract with 6 NFL teams all at the same time. He thinks ATL has a GREAT shot to win a super bowl. Hard to argue that.He apparently think he will be the bell cow there. Barring injury or drastic underperforming, he will.Your response really doesnt have anything to do with what I was responding to or what I said.St Louis moved on to two younger back because they cant win now, and didnt want to pay Jackson. They probably get some late compensatory pick out of it also. I expect a better year fantasy wise from jackson than last year. Past this year, who the hell knows. But I CAN see two solid years.

 

[Grahamburn]

Getting out of the NFC West probably doesn't hurt either.

The Falcons play all four teams in the NFC West this year.

Better than twice.

 

[ghostguy123]

Getting out of the NFC West probably doesn't hurt either.

The Falcons play all four teams in the NFC West this year.

Better than twice.

And good to play the Rams

 

[RBM]

Getting out of the NFC West probably doesn't hurt either.

The Falcons play all four teams in the NFC West this year.

Better than twice.

And good to play the Rams

Rams have a strong D

 

[ghostguy123]

Getting out of the NFC West probably doesn't hurt either.

The Falcons play all four teams in the NFC West this year.

Better than twice.

And good to play the Rams

Rams have a strong D

They are still gonna score 30+ on them

 

[Dippa]

3 Years, $12 million. No details yet, but the cap hit this year could be less than 3 million pretty easily.

As a Falcons fan, I love this deal. Releasing Turner saved $5 million against the cap and they get an upgrade for less than that.

Edit to add: Only $4 million guaranteed

 

[Kleck]

Best place for Jackson to land, IMO. 1200 total yards and 10 TDs could be floor level here.

 

[Shutout]

Likely more hype than substance. The Falcons have Roddy, Gonzo, and Julio. The league is a passing league. I don't think the Falcons think they will be a better team running SJAX 20-30 times a game. They had a great record last year doing what they do and they were on the record saying they wanted to save the RB's legs for when it mattered. He will be better than Turner but he's not going to be through the roof in real value.Personally, I think if SJAX wanted a ring, he should have maybe signed with Green Bay or Pitt. I just don't think the Falcons have what it takes.

They run enough. And no way they expect 20-30 carries a game. He should get around 250 and a LOT more catches than Turner. I don't think 16-17 carries a game is unrealistic at all. It's probably the best place he could have landed. Maybe not the most touches of anywhere he coulda gone, but more quality touches and easily more TDs. If anything I might call it an ever so slight hit to Ryan's numbers

I say that only because SJAX was on record as saying he wanted to go soemwhere to win a SB and where he could be a bell cow back. I don't think he met either of those.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, I jsut happen to completely disagree with yours.Atlanta is a strong candidate for a 1st round bye and home field advantage. He will be their bellcow. 250 carries and 50 catches sounds like a bellcow to me in this day and age of football. PLus 12-15 TDs. So, team with great shot at the best record, and 300 touches. What is the problem exactly??

Sjax was on record saying he wanted to go somewhere where he would carry the ball 20-25 times a game. That's not happening in Atlanta. To be fair, probably wasnt happening in Green Bay either but I think Rodgers would throw more to him out of the backfield than Ryan will. The screen is a big part of the packers offense. In regards to winning a SB, I think the packers are in an easier division, have a proven SB wining team, coach, qb, and have a clear true home field advantage in the playoffs. Just my opinion but I think it's pretty clear that the packers are a team that have said we will run more if you give us somebody that can run while the falcons have clearly shifted to a pass first team. Just seems like sjax didn't clearly meet either of the two things he said he wanted and I think people who are drooling and dreaming, thinking he will be this guy they feed all day AND He will get every goal line look are kind of unrealistic. A team that wants to win the Super Bowl and plays games against the saints and bucs and panthers, etc aren't going to be running their 30 year old RB into the ground in September. I expect they will look very much like Denver. Very good, not studly for the RB.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Likely more hype than substance. The Falcons have Roddy, Gonzo, and Julio. The league is a passing league. I don't think the Falcons think they will be a better team running SJAX 20-30 times a game. They had a great record last year doing what they do and they were on the record saying they wanted to save the RB's legs for when it mattered. He will be better than Turner but he's not going to be through the roof in real value.Personally, I think if SJAX wanted a ring, he should have maybe signed with Green Bay or Pitt. I just don't think the Falcons have what it takes.

They run enough. And no way they expect 20-30 carries a game. He should get around 250 and a LOT more catches than Turner. I don't think 16-17 carries a game is unrealistic at all. It's probably the best place he could have landed. Maybe not the most touches of anywhere he coulda gone, but more quality touches and easily more TDs. If anything I might call it an ever so slight hit to Ryan's numbers

I say that only because SJAX was on record as saying he wanted to go soemwhere to win a SB and where he could be a bell cow back. I don't think he met either of those.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, I jsut happen to completely disagree with yours.Atlanta is a strong candidate for a 1st round bye and home field advantage. He will be their bellcow. 250 carries and 50 catches sounds like a bellcow to me in this day and age of football. PLus 12-15 TDs. So, team with great shot at the best record, and 300 touches. What is the problem exactly??

Sjax was on record saying he wanted to go somewhere where he would carry the ball 20-25 times a game. That's not happening in Atlanta. To be fair, probably wasnt happening in Green Bay either but I think Rodgers would throw more to him out of the backfield than Ryan will. The screen is a big part of the packers offense. In regards to winning a SB, I think the packers are in an easier division, have a proven SB wining team, coach, qb, and have a clear true home field advantage in the playoffs. Just my opinion but I think it's pretty clear that the packers are a team that have said we will run more if you give us somebody that can run while the falcons have clearly shifted to a pass first team. Just seems like sjax didn't clearly meet either of the two things he said he wanted and I think people who are drooling and dreaming, thinking he will be this guy they feed all day AND He will get every goal line look are kind of unrealistic. A team that wants to win the Super Bowl and plays games against the saints and bucs and panthers, etc aren't going to be running their 30 year old RB into the ground in September. I expect they will look very much like Denver. Very good, not studly for the RB.

This all seems very reasonable, makes sense.

 

[Chachi]

Feels like a lateral move to me.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Feels like a lateral move to me.

Are you joking?

 

[ghostguy123]

Likely more hype than substance. The Falcons have Roddy, Gonzo, and Julio. The league is a passing league. I don't think the Falcons think they will be a better team running SJAX 20-30 times a game. They had a great record last year doing what they do and they were on the record saying they wanted to save the RB's legs for when it mattered. He will be better than Turner but he's not going to be through the roof in real value.Personally, I think if SJAX wanted a ring, he should have maybe signed with Green Bay or Pitt. I just don't think the Falcons have what it takes.

They run enough. And no way they expect 20-30 carries a game. He should get around 250 and a LOT more catches than Turner. I don't think 16-17 carries a game is unrealistic at all. It's probably the best place he could have landed. Maybe not the most touches of anywhere he coulda gone, but more quality touches and easily more TDs. If anything I might call it an ever so slight hit to Ryan's numbers

I say that only because SJAX was on record as saying he wanted to go soemwhere to win a SB and where he could be a bell cow back. I don't think he met either of those.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, I jsut happen to completely disagree with yours.Atlanta is a strong candidate for a 1st round bye and home field advantage. He will be their bellcow. 250 carries and 50 catches sounds like a bellcow to me in this day and age of football. PLus 12-15 TDs. So, team with great shot at the best record, and 300 touches. What is the problem exactly??

Sjax was on record saying he wanted to go somewhere where he would carry the ball 20-25 times a game. That's not happening in Atlanta. To be fair, probably wasnt happening in Green Bay either but I think Rodgers would throw more to him out of the backfield than Ryan will. The screen is a big part of the packers offense. In regards to winning a SB, I think the packers are in an easier division, have a proven SB wining team, coach, qb, and have a clear true home field advantage in the playoffs. Just my opinion but I think it's pretty clear that the packers are a team that have said we will run more if you give us somebody that can run while the falcons have clearly shifted to a pass first team. Just seems like sjax didn't clearly meet either of the two things he said he wanted and I think people who are drooling and dreaming, thinking he will be this guy they feed all day AND He will get every goal line look are kind of unrealistic. A team that wants to win the Super Bowl and plays games against the saints and bucs and panthers, etc aren't going to be running their 30 year old RB into the ground in September. I expect they will look very much like Denver. Very good, not studly for the RB.

20-25 carries a game is 320-400 carries for the year. How many RBs in the NFL are going to get that, maybe 2 or 3??The Falcons didn't "clearly" shift to a pass 1st team. A more accurate statement would be that they passed more because Turner sucked, and Rodgers had a pretty bad YPC. You are simply splitting hairs when you talk about who jackson has a better chance to win a super bowl with. Both teams are on the top of the conference. 250 carries is about 16 carries a game. I can also see 40-50 catches pretty easily. Unlike Turner, jackson can actually get some fantasy point on those Ryan throws. No one is talking about jackson being some "stud". At least I hope not. But it wouldnt surprise me one bit to see a healthy Sjax finish top 10 for Rb scoring. So back to the original point, Jackson wanted to be the lead back on a team with a great chance to win a super bowl. Check, and check. There is no disputing that.And for fantasy purposes and as someone who traded for Sjax a week or so ago, of all the teams he could have gone to I preferred Atlanta.

 

[ghostguy123]

Feels like a lateral move to me.

It's a lateral move in the sense they got rid of a RB and brought in a RB. other than that, wow, such a NON lateral move. Turner was horrible.

 

[cstu]

Feels like a lateral move to me.

Are you joking?

It's an improvement but I think people may be over-stating how much of an upgrade it is.Turner's age 29 season (2011) - 301/1340/11, 17/168/0SJax's age 29 season (2012) - 257/1042/4, 38/321/0

 

[Rookie_Whisperer]

I'm currently trying to gauge his value in Dynasty PPR leagues as I type. Up front, I'm selling. I love his landing spot but in the places I own him I'm a little thick at RB since I traded for some aging vets during the season for championship runs. I'm starting at the top of the draft and working my way down. I doubt he'll command the 1.01 so I'm starting with the 1.02 and 1.03. We'll see from here in the 3 places I've got him....

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Likely more hype than substance. The Falcons have Roddy, Gonzo, and Julio. The league is a passing league. I don't think the Falcons think they will be a better team running SJAX 20-30 times a game. They had a great record last year doing what they do and they were on the record saying they wanted to save the RB's legs for when it mattered. He will be better than Turner but he's not going to be through the roof in real value.

Personally, I think if SJAX wanted a ring, he should have maybe signed with Green Bay or Pitt. I just don't think the Falcons have what it takes.

They run enough. And no way they expect 20-30 carries a game. He should get around 250 and a LOT more catches than Turner. I don't think 16-17 carries a game is unrealistic at all. It's probably the best place he could have landed. Maybe not the most touches of anywhere he coulda gone, but more quality touches and easily more TDs. If anything I might call it an ever so slight hit to Ryan's numbers

I say that only because SJAX was on record as saying he wanted to go soemwhere to win a SB and where he could be a bell cow back. I don't think he met either of those.

I agree. It would have been awesome to finally see Green Bay with an all-season, 3-down RB with his skills, even if diminishing.

Atlanta will drop to 2nd or 3rd in the division next year while GB will again be in the hunt. Maybe it was the money, maybe it was playing indoors on turf.

Green Bay is way behind SF, Seattle and Atlanta easily. They will have a difficult time making it past the first round of the playoffs this year. Thompson s ego is way too big for that team and it will show this year.

Actually to me the NFC is just looking extremely strong across the board as this offseason develops. I know I may not be as tuned in on GB as those closer to it, but the NFC in this early free agency period is just getting stronger - GB, CHI, ATL, NO (heck TB, CAR), WAS, NYG, PHI, SEA, SF (and StL) all look viable. And how to wite off MIN when they somehow made the playoffs last year.Maybe I shouldn't have said "will" when it comes to where ATL finishes but no NFCS team has ever won the division two years in a row, recent history indicates the Saints come back on top or a newcomer surges like CAR or TB. The Atlanta offense despite all their points and prized FF pieces actually at times looked quite sluggish. The Seattle and SF conclusions were so typical of them last year. Personally I think last year was a high point and they slide back a bit.

As to GB, but Rodgers, Cobb, Jones, Nelson all looks too good, I don't know how that changes. Jackson would have been a great compliment there. I agree with the point on the screen game, he would have fit that perfectly. Jackson's going to have a great year, of course, but I see him getting bogged down with the rest of the Falcon offense and team from time to time. I think he could have been fantastic in GB.

 

[ghostguy123]

Feels like a lateral move to me.

Are you joking?

It's an improvement but I think people may be over-stating how much of an upgrade it is.Turner's age 29 season (2011) - 301/1340/11, 17/168/0SJax's age 29 season (2012) - 257/1042/4, 38/321/0

And you are severely understating how much of a difference it was for Turner to be on a team with potentially 4 hall of famers in Ryan, Gonzo, White, and Julio. While Sjax played with crap.

 

[Chachi]

Feels like a lateral move to me.

Are you joking?

To clarify I mean a lateral move for Jackson's FF production. I too believe Jackson is a major upgrade for Atlanta.

 

[Dippa]

Sjax was on record saying he wanted to go somewhere where he would carry the ball 20-25 times a game. That's not happening in Atlanta. To be fair, probably wasnt happening in Green Bay either but I think Rodgers would throw more to him out of the backfield than Ryan will. The screen is a big part of the packers offense.

In regards to winning a SB, I think the packers are in an easier division, have a proven SB wining team, coach, qb, and have a clear true home field advantage in the playoffs.

Just my opinion but I think it's pretty clear that the packers are a team that have said we will run more if you give us somebody that can run while the falcons have clearly shifted to a pass first team. Just seems like sjax didn't clearly meet either of the two things he said he wanted and I think people who are drooling and dreaming, thinking he will be this guy they feed all day AND He will get every goal line look are kind of unrealistic. A team that wants to win the Super Bowl and plays games against the saints and bucs and panthers, etc aren't going to be running their 30 year old RB into the ground in September. I expect they will look very much like Denver. Very good, not studly for the RB.

Ryan was 2nd in the league for screen attempts and completion percentage behind only Fitzpatrick, so the notion that GB would use him more in the screen game doesn't seem accurate.In regards to winning a SB, the Falcons were closer than GB last year and he chose to come here. No way anyone can know who he thought has the better chance at a championship, so that's just speculation.

And the Packers have been a pass first offense for years, while Atlanta has been one for 1 season, yet GB is more likely to run him more often? When he said that he wanted to be the bell cow, he never said anything about 20-25 carries per game. The whole bell cow thing seems to be taken out of context. He also goes on to say:

Would Jackson accept a part-time role with a contender?

"Well, that's where a very open dialogue has to take place," he said. "I have opted out of my position of being with the team and being comfortable because I want to continue to still be the bell cow. So that's how I want teams to look at me, that's how I'm going to shop myself, and we'll cross that bridge when we get there if that's not the feedback we're receiving."

Source

 

[ghostguy123]

I'm currently trying to gauge his value in Dynasty PPR leagues as I type. Up front, I'm selling. I love his landing spot but in the places I own him I'm a little thick at RB since I traded for some aging vets during the season for championship runs. I'm starting at the top of the draft and working my way down. I doubt he'll command the 1.01 so I'm starting with the 1.02 and 1.03. We'll see from here in the 3 places I've got him....

Good call. Maybe we need separate Sjax trade thread, lol.If I owned him and he was my RB-3 or something and I can win now, not sure I would trade him for for 4. Unless it was during the draft and one of my top 3 fell. In one league I feel good about dealing a future 1st for him a week ago.In another league, I have picks 2 and 3, and would CONSIDER dealing pick 3 since my team is pretty decent, very young, and I have four 2014 1sts also. I have Rice, Morris, and Murray, there, but you cant have enough good RBs.

 

[ghostguy123]

Feels like a lateral move to me.

Are you joking?

To clarify I mean a lateral move for Jackson's FF production. I too believe Jackson is a major upgrade for Atlanta.

I don't. he should get the same amount of touches, but the touches are much higher quality. On the Rams teams didnt have to key on three studs at WR and TE. He will get more TDs, probably same yardage, and probably more catches.

 

[meyerj31]

Green Bay is way behind SF, Seattle and Atlanta easily. They will have a difficult time making it past the first round of the playoffs this year. Thompson s ego is way too big for that team and it will show this year.

Ok.What kind of odds are you giving? Because I'd be willing to bet you that the Packers make the playoffs easily next year.

 

[lbouchard]

Green Bay is way behind SF, Seattle and Atlanta easily. They will have a difficult time making it past the first round of the playoffs this year. Thompson s ego is way too big for that team and it will show this year.

Ok.What kind of odds are you giving? Because I'd be willing to bet you that the Packers make the playoffs easily next year.

He's talking about advancing in the playoffs. You're talking about merely making the playoffs. Big difference.

 

[Rookie_Whisperer]

I'm currently trying to gauge his value in Dynasty PPR leagues as I type. Up front, I'm selling. I love his landing spot but in the places I own him I'm a little thick at RB since I traded for some aging vets during the season for championship runs. I'm starting at the top of the draft and working my way down. I doubt he'll command the 1.01 so I'm starting with the 1.02 and 1.03. We'll see from here in the 3 places I've got him....

Good call. Maybe we need separate Fjax trade thread, lol.

If I owned him and he was my RB-3 or something and I can win now, not sure I would trade him for for 4. Unless it was during the draft and one of my top 3 fell.

In one league I feel good about dealing a future 1st for him a week ago.

In another league, I have picks 2 and 3, and would CONSIDER dealing pick 3 since my team is pretty decent, very young, and I have four 2014 1sts also. I have Rice, Morris, and Murray, there, but you cant have enough good RBs.

I agree. I doubt I'll take any less than the 1.03 at this point. Even then, I'm somewhat hesitant to give up some fairly "given" production for a lotto ticket this year.

 

[Rick James]

Fantastic signing for Atlanta. Huge. Jackson was THE focal point for every opposing defense when he played for the Rams. You think safeties are going to be crowding the line against Atlanta with Julio, Roddy, and Gonzalez on the outside? No way. I think Jackson has a BIG year. 1300 yards + 10 tds + 300 yards receiving is totally attainable.

 

[cstu]

Feels like a lateral move to me.

Are you joking?

It's an improvement but I think people may be over-stating how much of an upgrade it is.Turner's age 29 season (2011) - 301/1340/11, 17/168/0SJax's age 29 season (2012) - 257/1042/4, 38/321/0

And you are severely understating how much of a difference it was for Turner to be on a team with potentially 4 hall of famers in Ryan, Gonzo, White, and Julio. While Sjax played with crap.

How did Turner do last year with those 4 potential HOF'ers around him? I like Jackson in ATL but I think there's not a lot of rationality going on about his risk as a 30 yo back. We have people in this thread asking for top 3 picks in the draft for him.

 

[Rookie_Whisperer]

Feels like a lateral move to me.

Are you joking?

It's an improvement but I think people may be over-stating how much of an upgrade it is.Turner's age 29 season (2011) - 301/1340/11, 17/168/0

SJax's age 29 season (2012) - 257/1042/4, 38/321/0

And you are severely understating how much of a difference it was for Turner to be on a team with potentially 4 hall of famers in Ryan, Gonzo, White, and Julio. While Sjax played with crap.

How did Turner do last year with those 4 potential HOF'ers around him? I like Jackson in ATL but I think there's not a lot of rationality going on about his risk as a 30 yo back. We have people in this thread asking for top 3 picks in the draft for him.

IMHO, top 3 in rookie-only drafts doesn't equal a whole lot right now. I do think the value of those top 2 or 3 picks will triple after the actual NFL draft but right now their value is pretty low.

 

[ghostguy123]

Feels like a lateral move to me.

Are you joking?

It's an improvement but I think people may be over-stating how much of an upgrade it is.Turner's age 29 season (2011) - 301/1340/11, 17/168/0SJax's age 29 season (2012) - 257/1042/4, 38/321/0

And you are severely understating how much of a difference it was for Turner to be on a team with potentially 4 hall of famers in Ryan, Gonzo, White, and Julio. While Sjax played with crap.

How did Turner do last year with those 4 potential HOF'ers around him? I like Jackson in ATL but I think there's not a lot of rationality going on about his risk as a 30 yo back. We have people in this thread asking for top 3 picks in the draft for him.

Top 3 picks in a very weak class. Turner didnt do much because Turner SUCKS. Pretty simple concept.And people are saying they wouldnt trade Sjax for pick 4. To me after my top 3 guys is a very significant drop to the 4th guy.

 

[cstu]

Feels like a lateral move to me.

Are you joking?

It's an improvement but I think people may be over-stating how much of an upgrade it is.Turner's age 29 season (2011) - 301/1340/11, 17/168/0SJax's age 29 season (2012) - 257/1042/4, 38/321/0

And you are severely understating how much of a difference it was for Turner to be on a team with potentially 4 hall of famers in Ryan, Gonzo, White, and Julio. While Sjax played with crap.

How did Turner do last year with those 4 potential HOF'ers around him? I like Jackson in ATL but I think there's not a lot of rationality going on about his risk as a 30 yo back. We have people in this thread asking for top 3 picks in the draft for him.

Top 3 picks in a very weak class. Turner didnt do much because Turner SUCKS. Pretty simple concept.And people are saying they wouldnt trade Sjax for pick 4. To me after my top 3 guys is a very significant drop to the 4th guy.

For comparison I traded the 1.02 for Fitzgerald and Housler. I was also turned down for the 1.04 for the 1.10, 1.12 and 3.02. Weak draft or not there are definitely players people want.

 

[voiceofunreason]

Best place for Jackson to land, IMO. 1200 total yards and 10 TDs could be floor level here.

His floor is Mathews from last year. People are really looking at best possible scenario here. You know how many guys his age with his mileage who have had 1200 yards and 10 TDs regardless of how good the team was? I'd be surprised if it isn't zero.

 

[ghostguy123]

Best place for Jackson to land, IMO. 1200 total yards and 10 TDs could be floor level here.

His floor is Mathews from last year. People are really looking at best possible scenario here. You know how many guys his age with his mileage who have had 1200 yards and 10 TDs regardless of how good the team was? I'd be surprised if it isn't zero.

Much like Peterson coming back like superman from his ACL, jackson doesn't have your typical human body.

 

[ghostguy123]

Feels like a lateral move to me.

Are you joking?

It's an improvement but I think people may be over-stating how much of an upgrade it is.Turner's age 29 season (2011) - 301/1340/11, 17/168/0SJax's age 29 season (2012) - 257/1042/4, 38/321/0

And you are severely understating how much of a difference it was for Turner to be on a team with potentially 4 hall of famers in Ryan, Gonzo, White, and Julio. While Sjax played with crap.

How did Turner do last year with those 4 potential HOF'ers around him? I like Jackson in ATL but I think there's not a lot of rationality going on about his risk as a 30 yo back. We have people in this thread asking for top 3 picks in the draft for him.

Top 3 picks in a very weak class. Turner didnt do much because Turner SUCKS. Pretty simple concept.And people are saying they wouldnt trade Sjax for pick 4. To me after my top 3 guys is a very significant drop to the 4th guy.

For comparison I traded the 1.02 for Fitzgerald and Housler. I was also turned for the 1.04 for the 1.10, 1.12 and 3.02. Weak draft or not there are definitely players people want.

I am also not talking about follow up trades. If you wanna make a string of 50 trades to better yourself then you keep pick 3 or 4 and trade down like that, then make other moves.I am talking about jackson for pick 4, straight up, which do you take if you are told you can win now and you are not allowed to ever trade either Jackson or whoever you take at pick 4 every again.................I am going with Jackson

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

In his tenure with the Rams, the team's best record was 8-8 (twice) and overall was 44-99. Yet in those 9 years, Jackson was able to top 1000 yards rushing in 8 and 300 yards receiving in 7.

His fantasy lack of value has always been the TDs. This change of scenery most likely will drop his workload a little with all the other weapons, but I believe increase his scoring rate.

While he will be 30 come week 1, I could see him having a career year. 1300-1500 rushing yards, 300 yards receiving and 12-14 TDs.

The only concern I have is the wear and tear catches up with him this year and he goes Shaun Alexander.

 

[sho nuff]

Green Bay is way behind SF, Seattle and Atlanta easily. They will have a difficult time making it past the first round of the playoffs this year. Thompson s ego is way too big for that team and it will show this year.

 

[cstu]

Feels like a lateral move to me.

Are you joking?

It's an improvement but I think people may be over-stating how much of an upgrade it is.Turner's age 29 season (2011) - 301/1340/11, 17/168/0SJax's age 29 season (2012) - 257/1042/4, 38/321/0

And you are severely understating how much of a difference it was for Turner to be on a team with potentially 4 hall of famers in Ryan, Gonzo, White, and Julio. While Sjax played with crap.

How did Turner do last year with those 4 potential HOF'ers around him? I like Jackson in ATL but I think there's not a lot of rationality going on about his risk as a 30 yo back. We have people in this thread asking for top 3 picks in the draft for him.

Top 3 picks in a very weak class. Turner didnt do much because Turner SUCKS. Pretty simple concept.And people are saying they wouldnt trade Sjax for pick 4. To me after my top 3 guys is a very significant drop to the 4th guy.

For comparison I traded the 1.02 for Fitzgerald and Housler. I was also turned down for the 1.04 for the 1.10, 1.12 and 3.02. Weak draft or not there are definitely players people want.

I am also not talking about follow up trades. If you wanna make a string of 50 trades to better yourself then you keep pick 3 or 4 and trade down like that, then make other moves.I am talking about jackson for pick 4, straight up, which do you take if you are told you can win now and you are not allowed to ever trade either Jackson or whoever you take at pick 4 every again.................I am going with Jackson

I meant to say I was turned down trading for the 1.04. I offered the 1.10, 1.12 and 3.02. Would you pass up that for Jackson?

 

[ghostguy123]

Feels like a lateral move to me.

Are you joking?

It's an improvement but I think people may be over-stating how much of an upgrade it is.Turner's age 29 season (2011) - 301/1340/11, 17/168/0SJax's age 29 season (2012) - 257/1042/4, 38/321/0

And you are severely understating how much of a difference it was for Turner to be on a team with potentially 4 hall of famers in Ryan, Gonzo, White, and Julio. While Sjax played with crap.

How did Turner do last year with those 4 potential HOF'ers around him? I like Jackson in ATL but I think there's not a lot of rationality going on about his risk as a 30 yo back. We have people in this thread asking for top 3 picks in the draft for him.

Top 3 picks in a very weak class. Turner didnt do much because Turner SUCKS. Pretty simple concept.And people are saying they wouldnt trade Sjax for pick 4. To me after my top 3 guys is a very significant drop to the 4th guy.

For comparison I traded the 1.02 for Fitzgerald and Housler. I was also turned down for the 1.04 for the 1.10, 1.12 and 3.02. Weak draft or not there are definitely players people want.

I am also not talking about follow up trades. If you wanna make a string of 50 trades to better yourself then you keep pick 3 or 4 and trade down like that, then make other moves.I am talking about jackson for pick 4, straight up, which do you take if you are told you can win now and you are not allowed to ever trade either Jackson or whoever you take at pick 4 every again.................I am going with Jackson

I meant to say I was turned down trading for the 1.04. I offered the 1.10, 1.12 and 3.02. Would you pass up that for Jackson?

It depends on my roster.But lets see, where will Sjax go in startups. Round 5 maybe?? Where will the 10th, 12th, and 26th rookies go?? My guess is about the 9th, 10th, and 15th rounds.Would you trade a 9th, 10th, and 15th for a 5th??I think the value of it is fine, just depends on your roster and your intentions. I know I have one team right now where I prefer Sjax over picks 10,12, and 26

 

[Shawnky]

Green Bay is way behind SF, Seattle and Atlanta easily. They will have a difficult time making it past the first round of the playoffs this year. Thompson s ego is way too big for that team and it will show this year.

Seems spot on to me. Maybe not Atlanta, but I feel Ryan is overrated, and their D stinks.

 

[sho nuff]

Green Bay is way behind SF, Seattle and Atlanta easily. They will have a difficult time making it past the first round of the playoffs this year. Thompson s ego is way too big for that team and it will show this year.

Seems spot on to me. Maybe not Atlanta, but I feel Ryan is overrated, and their D stinks.

I disagree that they are "way" behind any of them. They got shellacked by SF this time around...no doubt. But I don't think that team with Rodgers at QB is way behind anyone.And certainly not behind in the area where the RB would have fixed this.If they let the best defensive FA they were going to go after go...maybe make this point.Letting a 30 year old RB go.Nah.That and the ego line is laughable.

 

[Nucker101]

Green Bay is way behind SF, Seattle and Atlanta easily. They will have a difficult time making it past the first round of the playoffs this year. Thompson s ego is way too big for that team and it will show this year.

Seems spot on to me. Maybe not Atlanta, but I feel Ryan is overrated, and their D stinks.

I agree that Ryan is not an elite QB like I've seen some people call him. He's solid, but having Julio Jones, Roddy White and Tony Gonzalez will help any QB out. That being said, it's hard not call ATL a legitimate contender and I can see why Jackson chose Atlanta.

 

[Nucker101]

FWIW SJax was just traded for the 1.05 pick and a 3rd round pick next year in my 14 team PPR dynasty league tonight.

 

[Ghost Rider]

If I am a Falcon fan (I am not), I like this signing, but there does have to be a little concern about SJax's age. Physical runners like him often hit that wall out of nowhere, so while Jackson could be a beast in '13 for Atlanta, I wouldn't be surprised if he hit that wall either. He does have a lot of wear and tear on his body.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

If I am a Falcon fan (I am not), I like this signing, but there does have to be a little concern about SJax's age. Physical runners like him often hit that wall out of nowhere, so while Jackson could be a beast in '13 for Atlanta, I wouldn't be surprised if he hit that wall either. He does have a lot of wear and tear on his body.

Agree all around here.I'm a bit surprised ATL went the 30 year old RB route. Jackson showed he can still play last year, but if I'm ATL I take a RB no later than the middle rounds.

 

[ghostguy123]

If I am a Falcon fan (I am not), I like this signing, but there does have to be a little concern about SJax's age. Physical runners like him often hit that wall out of nowhere, so while Jackson could be a beast in '13 for Atlanta, I wouldn't be surprised if he hit that wall either. He does have a lot of wear and tear on his body.

Agree all around here.I'm a bit surprised ATL went the 30 year old RB route. Jackson showed he can still play last year, but if I'm ATL I take a RB no later than the middle rounds.

Probably because they throw 45 times a game and don't want some rookie pas blocking for Ryan. Not to mention he was a still a good runner and receiver last year. I wouldn't normally agree with a contender getting a guy as old as Jackson..........but it's STEVEN JACKSON. He's a pro in every aspect of the game, and certainly not your typical 30 year old. I think he will be traded in leagues for a pick as high as 3 and as low probably 10 to people rebuilding who can't get a better pick (which is far too low, better off making a deal during the year for future picks).I will tell you this though, the guy above said Sjax was traded for pick 5, which is a decent deal if you don't really need Jackson or are rebuilding, but in startup drafts for this year Sjax is gonna go WAYYYYYYY ahead of where the 5th rookie gets picked in all those drafts. He was already getting picked way ahead of the 5th rookie while people didn't even know what was going on with him, and now???? He is gonna couple a couple-few rounds earlier than he was.

 

[Shutout]

Likely more hype than substance. The Falcons have Roddy, Gonzo, and Julio. The league is a passing league. I don't think the Falcons think they will be a better team running SJAX 20-30 times a game. They had a great record last year doing what they do and they were on the record saying they wanted to save the RB's legs for when it mattered. He will be better than Turner but he's not going to be through the roof in real value.

Personally, I think if SJAX wanted a ring, he should have maybe signed with Green Bay or Pitt. I just don't think the Falcons have what it takes.

They run enough. And no way they expect 20-30 carries a game. He should get around 250 and a LOT more catches than Turner. I don't think 16-17 carries a game is unrealistic at all. It's probably the best place he could have landed. Maybe not the most touches of anywhere he coulda gone, but more quality touches and easily more TDs. If anything I might call it an ever so slight hit to Ryan's numbers

I say that only because SJAX was on record as saying he wanted to go soemwhere to win a SB and where he could be a bell cow back. I don't think he met either of those.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, I jsut happen to completely disagree with yours.Atlanta is a strong candidate for a 1st round bye and home field advantage. He will be their bellcow. 250 carries and 50 catches sounds like a bellcow to me in this day and age of football. PLus 12-15 TDs.

So, team with great shot at the best record, and 300 touches. What is the problem exactly??

Sjax was on record saying he wanted to go somewhere where he would carry the ball 20-25 times a game. That's not happening in Atlanta. To be fair, probably wasnt happening in Green Bay either but I think Rodgers would throw more to him out of the backfield than Ryan will. The screen is a big part of the packers offense. In regards to winning a SB, I think the packers are in an easier division, have a proven SB wining team, coach, qb, and have a clear true home field advantage in the playoffs.

Just my opinion but I think it's pretty clear that the packers are a team that have said we will run more if you give us somebody that can run while the falcons have clearly shifted to a pass first team. Just seems like sjax didn't clearly meet either of the two things he said he wanted and I think people who are drooling and dreaming, thinking he will be this guy they feed all day AND He will get every goal line look are kind of unrealistic. A team that wants to win the Super Bowl and plays games against the saints and bucs and panthers, etc aren't going to be running their 30 year old RB into the ground in September. I expect they will look very much like Denver. Very good, not studly for the RB.

20-25 carries a game is 320-400 carries for the year. How many RBs in the NFL are going to get that, maybe 2 or 3??

The Falcons didn't "clearly" shift to a pass 1st team. A more accurate statement would be that they passed more because Turner sucked, and Rodgers had a pretty bad YPC.

You are simply splitting hairs when you talk about who jackson has a better chance to win a super bowl with. Both teams are on the top of the conference.

250 carries is about 16 carries a game. I can also see 40-50 catches pretty easily. Unlike Turner, jackson can actually get some fantasy point on those Ryan throws.

No one is talking about jackson being some "stud". At least I hope not. But it wouldnt surprise me one bit to see a healthy Sjax finish top 10 for Rb scoring.

So back to the original point, Jackson wanted to be the lead back on a team with a great chance to win a super bowl. Check, and check. There is no disputing that.

And for fantasy purposes and as someone who traded for Sjax a week or so ago, of all the teams he could have gone to I preferred Atlanta.

The number of carries is just what SJAX says he wants and was looking for. I'm not saying it's realistic any more than you are. Just reporting what was said. Yeah, they clearly DID shift to a passing game. Everyone knows that. They dumped their OC last year and literally announced it. Roddy White talked about. The FF community hyped Julio Jones and Matt Ryan beyond belief as part of the reaction. Those things DID happen and the Falcons did carry that out. I think it is clear that people realize the falcons are nto the same offensive mindset as they were 2-3 years ago when Turner ran so much.

I think Green Bay is a better opportunity becaise of what I listed: They have done it, they have an easier division to win, have perhaps the best QB in the league, have a great weather HFA.

He probably will catch that many balls in Atlanta. In GB, that would have been a given; likely his floor. the Packers throw a LOT of screens. He could have caught 60 there, easily.

Whenever a RB is a top 10 RB, that is pretty universally acceptad as a stud RB. Top 10 means he is an every week starter and you have an advantage over a good part of your league if you have a top 10. That's a stud.

On your last comment, I'd say that is the most telling. You're building your case based on your investment/attachment to the player (and that's to be expected). I have no dog in the fight...not a SJAX owner, not a Falcon or Packers fan, doesn't matter to me. All in all, I'm just saying temper the expectations and, in real life, I think he would have satisfied his own stated goals better had he went to Green Bay.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

dude runs HARD....very physical

once caught 90 passes in a season....

when he does catch....there could be a ton of open space with Gonzo-Julio-Roddy demanding a ton of attention

I could see him gaining some big chunks of yardage in the passing game and some of those going for TD's

he should get all of the goaline work.....

and red zone work as well because of his ability to catch...

Quizz was supposed to take on a "bigger role" last year....didn't really happen....I see Quizz's value taking the biggest hit as Turner was really a non factor in the passing game and now you are adding a guy who can do it all...

actually Bryant (PK) may see less opportunities as well...

there times when Turner was really fed the ball depending on game situations....Jackson could have some monster games

I'm not one to question age/etc...I think he will be rejuvinated...has always been a pro....he WILL bring it every week

 

[Rick James]

Likely more hype than substance. The Falcons have Roddy, Gonzo, and Julio. The league is a passing league. I don't think the Falcons think they will be a better team running SJAX 20-30 times a game. They had a great record last year doing what they do and they were on the record saying they wanted to save the RB's legs for when it mattered. He will be better than Turner but he's not going to be through the roof in real value.

Personally, I think if SJAX wanted a ring, he should have maybe signed with Green Bay or Pitt. I just don't think the Falcons have what it takes.

They run enough. And no way they expect 20-30 carries a game. He should get around 250 and a LOT more catches than Turner. I don't think 16-17 carries a game is unrealistic at all. It's probably the best place he could have landed. Maybe not the most touches of anywhere he coulda gone, but more quality touches and easily more TDs. If anything I might call it an ever so slight hit to Ryan's numbers

I say that only because SJAX was on record as saying he wanted to go soemwhere to win a SB and where he could be a bell cow back. I don't think he met either of those.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, I jsut happen to completely disagree with yours.Atlanta is a strong candidate for a 1st round bye and home field advantage. He will be their bellcow. 250 carries and 50 catches sounds like a bellcow to me in this day and age of football. PLus 12-15 TDs.

So, team with great shot at the best record, and 300 touches. What is the problem exactly??

Sjax was on record saying he wanted to go somewhere where he would carry the ball 20-25 times a game. That's not happening in Atlanta. To be fair, probably wasnt happening in Green Bay either but I think Rodgers would throw more to him out of the backfield than Ryan will. The screen is a big part of the packers offense. In regards to winning a SB, I think the packers are in an easier division, have a proven SB wining team, coach, qb, and have a clear true home field advantage in the playoffs.

Just my opinion but I think it's pretty clear that the packers are a team that have said we will run more if you give us somebody that can run while the falcons have clearly shifted to a pass first team. Just seems like sjax didn't clearly meet either of the two things he said he wanted and I think people who are drooling and dreaming, thinking he will be this guy they feed all day AND He will get every goal line look are kind of unrealistic. A team that wants to win the Super Bowl and plays games against the saints and bucs and panthers, etc aren't going to be running their 30 year old RB into the ground in September. I expect they will look very much like Denver. Very good, not studly for the RB.

20-25 carries a game is 320-400 carries for the year. How many RBs in the NFL are going to get that, maybe 2 or 3??

The Falcons didn't "clearly" shift to a pass 1st team. A more accurate statement would be that they passed more because Turner sucked, and Rodgers had a pretty bad YPC.

You are simply splitting hairs when you talk about who jackson has a better chance to win a super bowl with. Both teams are on the top of the conference.

250 carries is about 16 carries a game. I can also see 40-50 catches pretty easily. Unlike Turner, jackson can actually get some fantasy point on those Ryan throws.

No one is talking about jackson being some "stud". At least I hope not. But it wouldnt surprise me one bit to see a healthy Sjax finish top 10 for Rb scoring.

So back to the original point, Jackson wanted to be the lead back on a team with a great chance to win a super bowl. Check, and check. There is no disputing that.

And for fantasy purposes and as someone who traded for Sjax a week or so ago, of all the teams he could have gone to I preferred Atlanta.

The number of carries is just what SJAX says he wants and was looking for. I'm not saying it's realistic any more than you are. Just reporting what was said. Yeah, they clearly DID shift to a passing game. Everyone knows that. They dumped their OC last year and literally announced it. Roddy White talked about. The FF community hyped Julio Jones and Matt Ryan beyond belief as part of the reaction. Those things DID happen and the Falcons did carry that out. I think it is clear that people realize the falcons are nto the same offensive mindset as they were 2-3 years ago when Turner ran so much.

I think Green Bay is a better opportunity becaise of what I listed: They have done it, they have an easier division to win, have perhaps the best QB in the league, have a great weather HFA.

He probably will catch that many balls in Atlanta. In GB, that would have been a given; likely his floor. the Packers throw a LOT of screens. He could have caught 60 there, easily.

Whenever a RB is a top 10 RB, that is pretty universally acceptad as a stud RB. Top 10 means he is an every week starter and you have an advantage over a good part of your league if you have a top 10. That's a stud.

On your last comment, I'd say that is the most telling. You're building your case based on your investment/attachment to the player (and that's to be expected). I have no dog in the fight...not a SJAX owner, not a Falcon or Packers fan, doesn't matter to me. All in all, I'm just saying temper the expectations and, in real life, I think he would have satisfied his own stated goals better had he went to Green Bay.

Atlanta was 2nd in the league last year in the number of screen passes attempted (link).