Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Enjoy him while you can because this is his last year as a starter. With such a deep WR draft I expect they will draft someone better than Garcon.
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Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Really? As a Colts fan I can say he has been very inconsistent and if they draft a WR ln the first two rounds he should have no problem replacing Garcon.Edited to correct on the computer. Damn smart phone putting words in the post I didn't intend.
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doubletrouble
Footballguy
Already got their starter...Collie
duaneok66
Footballguy
a) technically you are correct since the colts use 3WR as their base personnel packageb) Collie has more pressing problems at the moment . . .
mozzy84
Footballguy
I was laughing because you started a thread ripping him and he scores a td like a minute later. But since you brought it up, no I don't see indy drafting a WR at all next year, its one of the last things they need.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
You're wrong about that. Wayne will be 33 next year, Gonzalez can't stay healthy (probably gets cut), Collie has had too many concussions (career could be jeapordy if he has many more), Garcon is inconsistent, Blair White (please). NEXT. The Colts only have one #1 WR and he's getting up there in age. Bill Polian has in the past drafted offensive weapons in the early rounds. That hasn't changed.
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Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
Like Anthony Gonzalez?
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Huh? What does Anthony Gonzalez have to do with the 2011 draft? Gonzo will probably get cut.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
The Colts don't want players with the personality of Chad Johnson. Too much luggage and the talent has come....and gone.
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Mr. Mojo
Footballguy
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Kind of like having a beautiful wife that's frigid and can't cook.I couldn't agree more.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Sorry to intrude with a brief moment of reality, but over the last six games Garcon's caught 69% of his passes for 63 yards a game and 5 TDs.
Carry on.
Carry on.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
And scores touchdownsKind of like having a beautiful wife that's frigid and can't cook.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
The problem is he isn't consistent over the course of an entire season and his career so far. He drops way too many passes. Your eyes don't lie if you will just open them.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
So does Blair White, so what. I'm saying the Colts could use an upgrade at the WR #2 with the upside of being a WR #1. You think Garcon will ever be a WR #1? He's hardly a WR #2. The Colts need to draft their future WR #1 in this deep WR draft. They might be able to get that guy in the 2nd round.And scores touchdownsKind of like having a beautiful wife that's frigid and can't cook.
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Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
Gonzalez was also acquired during a "deep WR draft" and it didn't turn out so well. Drafts are a crapshoot, even the ones with lots of WRs. Colts fans shouldn't pin their hopes on finding a WR better than Garcon in the 2011 draft.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Please please don't compare a known slot WR coming into the draft to the likes of AJ Green, Julio Jones, Justin Blackmon and Jon Baldwin. I left off a couple more that are WR #1 types as well.
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
Teams don't spend 1st round picks on WRs that they expect to be "slot WRs". They had very high hopes for Gonzalez, just like Minnesota had high hopes for Sidney Rice and Carolina had high hopes for Dwayne Jarrett (the next 2 WRs selected). Guess what, 2 out of 3 turned out to be busts. It happens.Oh, and don't be surprised if 2 of the 4 guys you mentioned turn out to be busts, too. It happens.
Hellfire Snail
Footballguy
The Colts didn't take a step back this year because of their receivers, even with Collie being banged up. Unless they're incredibly high on a WR that falls into their lap, I wouldn't expect them to take one in the first four rounds with all the other areas they need to address.
Garcon will start for the Colts next year. Since he got healthy he's been very productive. He's good enough that he doesn't need to be replaced.
Garcon will start for the Colts next year. Since he got healthy he's been very productive. He's good enough that he doesn't need to be replaced.
harryhood
Footballguy
It appears to be, but if the lower teams are enamored with the Mallet/blackmon/julio jones/ryan williams of the world a solid O-lineman could fall into your lap.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
"over the course of his career" = not yet three years removed from playing Div III football. Even the really good players from tiny schools often take three years to even get on the field. Driver, VJax, Austin, Simpson(?) hardly played a down their first two or three seasons. You're being impatient IMO - he's way ahead of schedule.Having said... I don't disagree that they ought to draft a WR either this year or next. As much as I love Garcon I'm not sure he's the kind of WR who can sustain a passing attack on his own. I suspect he's more of a fantastic #2, Hines Ward type (with a lot more speed and athleticism) than he is an elite NFL#1 type.
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Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
I'm not sure fantastic is the word I would choose to use. A #1 WR he will never be and Wayne is well into his 30s.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
I don't think a team should ever draft out of need with a number 1 pick. Always take the best player available with a first round pick. Taking a player in the bottom 3rd of the 1st round who is not graded as a 1st round pick is a mistake.
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Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
As a Colts fan I can tell you that the Colts had slot plans for Gonzalez from the beginning. Also, it's not that Gonzalez is a bust, it's just that he can't stay healthy so far in his career.Teams don't spend 1st round picks on WRs that they expect to be "slot WRs". They had very high hopes for Gonzalez, just like Minnesota had high hopes for Sidney Rice and Carolina had high hopes for Dwayne Jarrett (the next 2 WRs selected). Guess what, 2 out of 3 turned out to be busts. It happens.Oh, and don't be surprised if 2 of the 4 guys you mentioned turn out to be busts, too. It happens.
Since he has gotten healthy he has actually out played Wayne, at least he has played as well
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
In my mind they need OL, WR, a run stuffer DT, and they could use another Linebacker, but it's not a necessity. They had a lot of injuries to their defensive backs, but they should be fine next year. I expect the Colts will cut Bob Sanders. I'm hoping last year's first round pick DE Jerry Hughes makes an impact next year.
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Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
I guess all those drops don't matter? If Julio Jones, Justin Backmon, or Michael Floyd is there at the bottom of the 1st round you take him.
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Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
Really? Because I could have sworn that they planned on starting him ahead of their 2 Pro Bowl receivers.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Boy isn't that the truth. All the more reason to take a WR early. Wayne is great, but he will be 33 next season.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Nope, they said right off the bat they wanted Gonzalez to play the slot position. You can do the research if you disagree or care.
I think he was being sarcastic
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Of course he was, because Harrison was still there, but in his mind they had plans for Gonzalez to be groomed to replace Harrison and I read they wanted to keep him in the slot. They were forced to play him out wide some (keyword some) before he got injured out of necessity.
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Judge Smails
Footballguy
Drops are just one part of the equation. Lots of good WR's drop passes (see TO, Braylon Edwards, etc). A WR has to get separation to be effective. There are lots of receivers with good hands out there that can't get open. Garcon can get open. He's young, has size, and knows the system. Don't think he's going anywhere. As Wayne's skills further erode Garcon will be an even bigger part of the offense.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Maybe. Let me ask you this, would you pass on Julio Jones, Michael Floyd, or Justin Blackmon if you were Bill Polian? Instead take an OL that has a 2nd round grade, but you need an OL?
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Jerry Lawler
Footballguy
Tons of questions at WR. If we get to the draft, and it's clear that injuries will keep Collie and Gonzo out of the Colts' long-term plans, I could see them investing in WR. My guess is that they count on one of them actually contributing next year. O-line is certainly a need, but I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the possibility of a TE in the first round. Not a whole lot of info out there on Clark's injury, and he's getting older too. Tamme is a good depth guy, but I'm not thrilled with him as the #1 TE.
I was in the pool
Footballguy
Tamme was actually more efficient than Clark when he was in there this year - maybe because no one plans for Tamme like they do Clark, but still.... OL has to be the main concern on offense because the running lanes are just not there at all. I expect Collie back (one of the best in the NFL in 2010) with Wayne and Garcon. Blair White is a great #4. Can't see they pulling the trigger on a WR in the 1st.
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
The Colts should go for a WR in the draft but not because Garcon is a disappointment. Gonzo is an injury mess, Collie is a sad story and Wayne is nearing his end (two years, maybe three?). Garcon has the talent. Any draft pick of a WR should not be considered an indictment of Garcon.
WiDDoW_MaKeR
Footballguy
Colts don't need a WR next year. They need to draft some run stuffers. They have enough talent at WR, 2 great TE's.... their offense is in check, oustide of an unhealthy running back. They need a defense that can rush the passer and stop the run.... for more than just one game.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I agree with the bolded. My disappointment of Garcon's stupid drops is justified, but not the reason why they should take a WR in either rds 1 or 2. Might have been an overreaction on my part yesterday, but no way in hell I pass on Jones, Backmon, or Floyd if they fall in my lap.
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ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Sort of like Ki-Jana Carter at Cincy?Hoss_Cartwright said:As a Colts fan I can tell you that the Colts had slot plans for Gonzalez from the beginning. Also, it's not that Gonzalez is a bust, it's just that he can't stay healthy so far in his career.Mr. Retukes said:Teams don't spend 1st round picks on WRs that they expect to be "slot WRs". They had very high hopes for Gonzalez, just like Minnesota had high hopes for Sidney Rice and Carolina had high hopes for Dwayne Jarrett (the next 2 WRs selected). Guess what, 2 out of 3 turned out to be busts. It happens.
Oh, and don't be surprised if 2 of the 4 guys you mentioned turn out to be busts, too. It happens.
