Stop riding the FWP bandwagon (1 Viewer)

[The Football Freak]

Game 14: @MIN 14-81 (5.8)

Why is a game like this considered a bad game? He didn't get a ton of work, but on the road against a decent D, he did fairly well with only 14 carries. Now with Bettis gone, he may get more work including the vital goalline work.

There is also game 10 against Baltimore where you put him at average because of 18-59 but he also had two receptions for 22 yards and a TD. Also game 13 at chicago where he went 21-68 and a 'bad' day, he had 2 receptions for 45 yards to put him over 100 total. Those and the Min game where he also had receiving totals seem to give him a few more pretty good outings.

 

[softball]

RUSHING                               RECEIVING  

Season Team G GS Att Yard TD Target Rec Yard TD FFPts FFPts/G

2005        TB 14 14 290 1,178 6       25 20    81    0 181.9  13.0

  RUSHING                               RECEIVING  

Season Team G GS Att Yard TD Target Rec Yard TD FFPts FFPts/G

2005       PIT 15 15 255 1,202 4       24 18   218   1  190.0 12.7

Dare to guess who's on top??

Caddy, that's who. And in 2006, you can expect the same from each(IMHO)

Parker is yardage based performer, and his speed will help with the few recepts he gets.....

Caddy is yardage based and his speed will help with the few recepts he gets....

I'll take FWP as RB #2 on my teams before I'll take Cadillac Williams as my #1.

I love misleading stat comparisons.

Explain misleading?One guy had 290 carries, the other had 255. One had 20 rec. the other 18.

BTW- Guess who ? was kinda joking

But LHucks MUST explain what is misleading. Since he stated it.....

Still waiting on the misleading stats.....can't wait to hear the spin cycle.....

 

[LHUCKS]

RUSHING                               RECEIVING  

Season Team G GS Att Yard TD Target Rec Yard TD FFPts FFPts/G

2005        TB 14 14 290 1,178 6       25 20    81    0 181.9  13.0

  RUSHING                               RECEIVING  

Season Team G GS Att Yard TD Target Rec Yard TD FFPts FFPts/G

2005       PIT 15 15 255 1,202 4       24 18   218   1  190.0 12.7

Dare to guess who's on top??

Caddy, that's who. And in 2006, you can expect the same from each(IMHO)

Parker is yardage based performer, and his speed will help with the few recepts he gets.....

Caddy is yardage based and his speed will help with the few recepts he gets....

I'll take FWP as RB #2 on my teams before I'll take Cadillac Williams as my #1.

I love misleading stat comparisons.

Explain misleading?One guy had 290 carries, the other had 255. One had 20 rec. the other 18.

BTW- Guess who ? was kinda joking

But LHucks MUST explain what is misleading. Since he stated it.....

Still waiting on the misleading stats.....can't wait to hear the spin cycle.....

Let's see...one of the two RBs you mentioned had one of the best rookie rushing seasons in the history of the game while fighting through injuries. The other guy was in year two of his career and is largely considered an inferior talent.Go ahead and rank them about the same.

Comparing stats in a vacuum will get you into trouble in this hobby quicker than you can say Biakabatuka.

 

[Chase Stuart]

RUSHING RECEIVING

Season Team G GS Att Yard TD Target Rec Yard TD FFPts FFPts/G

2005 TB 14 14 290 1,178 6 25 20 81 0 181.9 13.0

RUSHING RECEIVING

Season Team G GS Att Yard TD Target Rec Yard TD FFPts FFPts/G

2005 PIT 15 15 255 1,202 4 24 18 218 1 190.0 12.7

Dare to guess who's on top??

Caddy, that's who. And in 2006, you can expect the same from each(IMHO)

Parker is yardage based performer, and his speed will help with the few recepts he gets.....

Caddy is yardage based and his speed will help with the few recepts he gets....

I'll take FWP as RB #2 on my teams before I'll take Cadillac Williams as my #1.

I love misleading stat comparisons.

Explain misleading?One guy had 290 carries, the other had 255. One had 20 rec. the other 18.

BTW- Guess who ? was kinda joking

But LHucks MUST explain what is misleading. Since he stated it.....

Still waiting on the misleading stats.....can't wait to hear the spin cycle.....

Let's see...one of the two RBs you mentioned had one of the best rookie rushing seasons in the history of the game while fighting through injuries. The other guy was in year two of his career and is largely considered an inferior talent.Go ahead and rank them about the same.

Comparing stats in a vacuum will get you into trouble in this hobby quicker than you can say Biakabatuka.

So the 21st most rushing yards and the 85th most rushing TDs in history is one of the best in the history of the game?

 

[softball]

RUSHING                              RECEIVING 

Season Team G GS Att Yard TD Target Rec Yard TD FFPts FFPts/G

2005        TB 14 14 290 1,178 6      25 20    81    0 181.9  13.0

  RUSHING                              RECEIVING 

Season Team G GS Att Yard TD Target Rec Yard TD FFPts FFPts/G

2005      PIT 15 15 255 1,202 4      24 18  218  1  190.0 12.7

Dare to guess who's on top??

Caddy, that's who. And in 2006, you can expect the same from each(IMHO)

Parker is yardage based performer, and his speed will help with the few recepts he gets.....

Caddy is yardage based and his speed will help with the few recepts he gets....

I'll take FWP as RB #2 on my teams before I'll take Cadillac Williams as my #1.

I love misleading stat comparisons.

Explain misleading?One guy had 290 carries, the other had 255. One had 20 rec. the other 18.

BTW- Guess who ? was kinda joking

But LHucks MUST explain what is misleading. Since he stated it.....

Still waiting on the misleading stats.....can't wait to hear the spin cycle.....

Let's see...one of the two RBs you mentioned had one of the best rookie rushing seasons in the history of the game while fighting through injuries. The other guy was in year two of his career and is largely considered an inferior talent.Go ahead and rank them about the same.

Comparing stats in a vacuum will get you into trouble in this hobby quicker than you can say Biakabatuka.

So the 21st most rushing yards and the 85th most rushing TDs in history is one of the best in the history of the game?

No kidding... I was COMPARING stats. Not ranking them off of them. The point is that FWP is a talented back, but lacks the HYPE that Caddy has. So people may be looking at Caddy as a #1, but IMHO you can get a player of equal stats as your #2.

And I see no compelling reasons why Caddy would outperform Parker in 2006.

Talent got Parker more in 2005.....

on less carries....so the injury thought is a wash...

 

[ookook]

I can see FWP ending up RB12 to R15 and I have fewer reservations than many others than are being ranked in the 15 to 20 range. A little depends on Staley and his role.

So I drank the kool-aid. But I have a lot of faith that if healthy the Pitt running game will put up good numbers.

I think that 1200 yards and 8 TDs is very reasonable barring injury. This puts him better than RB20 and I see less risk than with some (e.g., Edge behind AZ O-line).

 

[BL Titans]

1200 yards and 8 TDs and toss in 25+ catches and another 300 yards and a TD or two ..........

1500 total yards and 10 TD's total ......... I'll take that for a young RB in a run oriented team with a great OL and defense and running game

 

[Z-Dog]

RUSHING RECEIVING

Season Team G GS Att Yard TD Target Rec Yard TD FFPts FFPts/G

2005 TB 14 14 290 1,178 6 25 20 81 0 181.9 13.0

RUSHING RECEIVING

Season Team G GS Att Yard TD Target Rec Yard TD FFPts FFPts/G

2005 PIT 15 15 255 1,202 4 24 18 218 1 190.0 12.7

Dare to guess who's on top??

Caddy, that's who. And in 2006, you can expect the same from each(IMHO)

Parker is yardage based performer, and his speed will help with the few recepts he gets.....

Caddy is yardage based and his speed will help with the few recepts he gets....

I'll take FWP as RB #2 on my teams before I'll take Cadillac Williams as my #1.

I love misleading stat comparisons.

Explain misleading?One guy had 290 carries, the other had 255. One had 20 rec. the other 18.

BTW- Guess who ? was kinda joking

But LHucks MUST explain what is misleading. Since he stated it.....

Still waiting on the misleading stats.....can't wait to hear the spin cycle.....

Let's see...one of the two RBs you mentioned had one of the best rookie rushing seasons in the history of the game while fighting through injuries. The other guy was in year two of his career and is largely considered an inferior talent.Go ahead and rank them about the same.

Comparing stats in a vacuum will get you into trouble in this hobby quicker than you can say Biakabatuka.

So the 21st most rushing yards and the 85th most rushing TDs in history is one of the best in the history of the game?

No kidding... I was COMPARING stats. Not ranking them off of them. The point is that FWP is a talented back, but lacks the HYPE that Caddy has. So people may be looking at Caddy as a #1, but IMHO you can get a player of equal stats as your #2.

And I see no compelling reasons why Caddy would outperform Parker in 2006.

Talent got Parker more in 2005.....

on less carries....so the injury thought is a wash...

We can throw the word talented around all day and not get anywhere, but I think we all acknowledge that every last NFL GM would take Caddy over FWP every day of the week, and twice on sundays. My guess is that Caddy will get between 310-340 carries this season, along with about 30 catches. I don't expect Parker to break 300 touches, and I don't expect him to have any within 5 yards of the goaline. Those are the stats that matter to me.

But this isn't about Caddy vs. FWP, and I think Parker is a good choice about 20 RBs in.

 

[softball]

RUSHING                              RECEIVING 

Season Team G GS Att Yard TD Target Rec Yard TD FFPts FFPts/G

2005        TB 14 14 290 1,178 6      25 20    81    0 181.9  13.0

  RUSHING                              RECEIVING 

Season Team G GS Att Yard TD Target Rec Yard TD FFPts FFPts/G

2005      PIT 15 15 255 1,202 4      24 18  218  1  190.0 12.7

Dare to guess who's on top??

Caddy, that's who. And in 2006, you can expect the same from each(IMHO)

Parker is yardage based performer, and his speed will help with the few recepts he gets.....

Caddy is yardage based and his speed will help with the few recepts he gets....

I'll take FWP as RB #2 on my teams before I'll take Cadillac Williams as my #1.

I love misleading stat comparisons.

Explain misleading?One guy had 290 carries, the other had 255. One had 20 rec. the other 18.

BTW- Guess who ? was kinda joking

But LHucks MUST explain what is misleading. Since he stated it.....

Still waiting on the misleading stats.....can't wait to hear the spin cycle.....

Let's see...one of the two RBs you mentioned had one of the best rookie rushing seasons in the history of the game while fighting through injuries. The other guy was in year two of his career and is largely considered an inferior talent.Go ahead and rank them about the same.

Comparing stats in a vacuum will get you into trouble in this hobby quicker than you can say Biakabatuka.

So the 21st most rushing yards and the 85th most rushing TDs in history is one of the best in the history of the game?

No kidding... I was COMPARING stats. Not ranking them off of them. The point is that FWP is a talented back, but lacks the HYPE that Caddy has. So people may be looking at Caddy as a #1, but IMHO you can get a player of equal stats as your #2.

And I see no compelling reasons why Caddy would outperform Parker in 2006.

Talent got Parker more in 2005.....

on less carries....so the injury thought is a wash...

We can throw the word talented around all day and not get anywhere, but I think we all acknowledge that every last NFL GM would take Caddy over FWP every day of the week, and twice on sundays. My guess is that Caddy will get between 310-340 carries this season, along with about 30 catches. I don't expect Parker to break 300 touches, and I don't expect him to have any within 5 yards of the goaline. Those are the stats that matter to me.

But this isn't about Caddy vs. FWP, and I think Parker is a good choice about 20 RBs in.

Agreed, and well put....FWP is an excellent #2 in my opinion. And the orginal post was in reference to getting off his bandwagon. The stats etc were really just supportive of "perception" of who's better.

FWP as a number 2 I think is well supported in this whole thread....

 

[Menudo]

As some have said, keep in mind that Parker was essentially a rookie last year. The word around Pittsburgh is that he is a very humble kid and an extremely hard worker, who is always making an effort to improve. That said, I expect to see improvement in him, and he needs it. As of right now, he is a home run hitter in the ground game, but, is does not consistently show good vision and often goes down way too easy. There were times last year, where he showed power and vision, but, he wasn't consistent with it. Where he intrigues me from a fantasy perspective is in the passing game. With his speed and hands, he is an absolute threat in the open field, and the Steelers seemed to be going to more and more screens with him as the season went on. His potential is huge, as with improvement, he could become more consistent between the tackles, and still have the home-run threat both on the ground and through the passing game. He will still lose goal-line carries and TD's to either Staley and/or Haynes, but, I expect at the minimum similar numbers to last year and probably a decent-sized improvement overall, as he will have more opportunities. Just my $.02

 

[stbugs]

As some have said, keep in mind that Parker was essentially a rookie last year. The word around Pittsburgh is that he is a very humble kid and an extremely hard worker, who is always making an effort to improve. That said, I expect to see improvement in him, and he needs it. As of right now, he is a home run hitter in the ground game, but, is does not consistently show good vision and often goes down way too easy. There were times last year, where he showed power and vision, but, he wasn't consistent with it. Where he intrigues me from a fantasy perspective is in the passing game. With his speed and hands, he is an absolute threat in the open field, and the Steelers seemed to be going to more and more screens with him as the season went on. His potential is huge, as with improvement, he could become more consistent between the tackles, and still have the home-run threat both on the ground and through the passing game. He will still lose goal-line carries and TD's to either Staley and/or Haynes, but, I expect at the minimum similar numbers to last year and probably a decent-sized improvement overall, as he will have more opportunities. Just my $.02

I agree with you. I think I got shot down by Pittsburgh homers when I mentioned that he might get more involved in the passing game because that isn't their offense. I guess I think that Cowher is smart enough to know that Parker isn't Bettis, so why not take advantage of screens.

Parker only had 18 receptions for 218 yards last year, but I think it would behoove Pittsburgh to get him more receptions than 1 per game. He averaged 12+ yards per reception, but he also had two 45+ yard receptions in only 18 receptions. I would love to see him get 2 or 3 receptions a game because I think he could keep a 10+ yard average if he caught 30-45 balls for 300-450 yards. That would definitely offset any TD vulturing and keep him in the top 10-20 range.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

RUSHING                               RECEIVING  

Season Team G GS Att Yard TD Target Rec Yard TD FFPts FFPts/G

2005        TB 14 14 290 1,178 6       25 20    81    0 181.9  13.0

  RUSHING                               RECEIVING  

Season Team G GS Att Yard TD Target Rec Yard TD FFPts FFPts/G

2005       PIT 15 15 255 1,202 4       24 18   218   1  190.0 12.7

Dare to guess who's on top??

Caddy, that's who. And in 2006, you can expect the same from each(IMHO)

Parker is yardage based performer, and his speed will help with the few recepts he gets.....

Caddy is yardage based and his speed will help with the few recepts he gets....

I'll take FWP as RB #2 on my teams before I'll take Cadillac Williams as my #1.

I love misleading stat comparisons.

Explain misleading?One guy had 290 carries, the other had 255. One had 20 rec. the other 18.

BTW- Guess who ? was kinda joking

But LHucks MUST explain what is misleading. Since he stated it.....

Still waiting on the misleading stats.....can't wait to hear the spin cycle.....

Let's see...one of the two RBs you mentioned had one of the best rookie rushing seasons in the history of the game while fighting through injuries. The other guy was in year two of his career and is largely considered an inferior talent.Go ahead and rank them about the same.

Comparing stats in a vacuum will get you into trouble in this hobby quicker than you can say Biakabatuka.

Better talk to Dodds then, he's got Caddy 11.3 points ahead of FWP in 2006.I don't think anyone would argue that Caddy has more talent than FWP. But individual talent is just a piece of the FF equation. Look at the other factors, surrounding talent...The Steelers O is more potent than TBs, better QB, better O-line, better WR/TEs (arguably). Opportunity- The Steelers also had nearly 100 more rushing attempts than Tampa Bay did last year, leading the NFL. Both Parker and Caddy will be hurt by short-yardage RBs like Duce, Haynes, Alstott and Pittman. Both expect to be more involved in the passing game. Health- FWP held up well last year, Caddy still hasn't proven he can be the full-time RB. One other consideration, I think more teams will gameplan to stop Cadillac in TB, than FWP in Pittsburgh. Roethlisberger commands a bit more attention than Chris Simms does.

In the end I think both will have similar year-end numbers but Caddy will be a more consistent performer if he can stay healthy.

 

[Foosball God]

I think Parker is a good choice about 20 RBs in.

You think there is going to be 19 RBs that out perform FWP?

 

[jurb26]

I think Parker is a good choice about 20 RBs in.

You think there is going to be 19 RBs that out perform FWP?

Very well could be, whats wrong with that?

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

I think Parker is a good choice about 20 RBs in.

You think there is going to be 19 RBs that out perform FWP?

Shaun AlexanderLadainian Tomlinson

Larry Johnson

Clinton Portis

Tiki Barber

Rudi Johnson

Steven Jackson

Lamont Jordan

Edgerrin James

Cadillac Williams

Ronnie Brown

Kevin Jones

Brian Westbrook

Julius Jones

Thomas Jones

Domanick Davis

Willis McGahee

Warrick Dunn

Jamal Lewis

Deshaun Foster

there's 20 that I think will safely outperform FWP.

others who very well may:

Deuce McAllister / Reggie Bush (as situation develops)

Tatum Bell / Ron Dayne (as situation develops)

Reuben Droughns

Dominic Rhodes / Joseph Addai (as situation develops)

Curtis Martin

Ahman Green

Chris Brown / DeAngelo Williams (as situation develops)

Chester Taylor

I'll be waiting on FWP until late 5th round/early 6th. That means I won't get him, since people will take him in the 3rd. Oh well.

 

[stbugs]

I think Parker is a good choice about 20 RBs in.

You think there is going to be 19 RBs that out perform FWP?

Shaun AlexanderLadainian Tomlinson

Larry Johnson

Clinton Portis

Tiki Barber

Rudi Johnson

Steven Jackson

Lamont Jordan

Edgerrin James

Cadillac Williams

Ronnie Brown

Kevin Jones

Brian Westbrook

Julius Jones

Thomas Jones

Domanick Davis

Willis McGahee

Warrick Dunn

Jamal Lewis

Deshaun Foster

there's 20 that I think will safely outperform FWP.

others who very well may:

Deuce McAllister / Reggie Bush (as situation develops)

Tatum Bell / Ron Dayne (as situation develops)

Reuben Droughns

Dominic Rhodes / Joseph Addai (as situation develops)

Curtis Martin

Ahman Green

Chris Brown / DeAngelo Williams (as situation develops)

Chester Taylor

I'll be waiting on FWP until late 5th round/early 6th. That means I won't get him, since people will take him in the 3rd. Oh well.

Interesting choice of the word "safely."Just some of my thoughts on this:

1. McGahee outperformed Parker by 1 point last year even though Willis had 70 more carries. Not very safe.

2. While I love DD, this is not safe. If DD plays 14-16 games, I agree, but since he is not yet healed, still not safe.

3. Jamal Lewis finished with 38 less points even though he had 14 more carries than Parker. He has also finished 25th the last two years. Not safe.

4. Deshaun Foster. LOL at safe with this one. Not just injuries, but a 1st round pick in DeAngelo Williams to fight off.

5. Julius Jones has missed 11 games in the past two years and had 21 less points last year even though he had 2 more carries than Parker. Not safe.

6. Kevin Jones hasn't finished in the top 20 yet in 2 years and finished 31st last year. Not safe.

7. Thomas Jones had a solid 2005, but seems a lot riskier to me to stay RB1 in Chicago all year and not be competing for carries with Benson.

8. Caddy had 9 less points even though he had 35 more carries last year. May improve, but certainly not safe.

9. Brown has a very good chance of performing better, but still he had a worse points per touch (0.60) than Parker (0.63). I think Brown will do better mainly because he will get enough touches, but still not completely safe.

10. Westbrook is solid, but certainly not safe since he hasn't finished the last 2 seasons healthy and because of that Parker had more points than Westbrook last year.

The more that I look at your list, the more I like Parker as he seems to be a pretty safe bet since (1) he was basically a rookie that was forced into starting last year, so he should improve with more experience, (2) his TD vulture (Bettis) is gone and until Staley/Hayes become Bettis there is still upside there and (3) his situation looks pretty similar to 2005 in terms of no RBBC, no 1st round competition to take over later in the year.

 

[Foosball God]

I think Parker is a good choice about 20 RBs in.

You think there is going to be 19 RBs that out perform FWP?

Very well could be, whats wrong with that?

I didn't ask if there could be. I asked if he thinks there will be. I don't have as much confidence in some of his selections of RBs that will do better than he does.

 

[jurb26]

I think Parker is a good choice about 20 RBs in.

You think there is going to be 19 RBs that out perform FWP?

Very well could be, whats wrong with that?

I didn't ask if there could be. I asked if he thinks there will be. I don't have as much confidence in some of his selections of RBs that will do better than he does.

Nor do I but I also think he left some very good RBs off there that could beat out Parker too. So to me thats a wash. It's easy to nitpick all the guys listed... the same could be done for Parker. All of those guys are going to have questions. Hell even the top 5 have questions.