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'Topes said:
'Jojo the circus boy said:
$500k in gold and silver (same auction company)
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It made ABC News, but there were no pictures..?Finder could have remained anonymous while providing pictures.

The only source for the story seems to be the Dotsons themselves.

"It helps, it solidifies what we're doing in the business," Dotson told ABCNews.com. "It shows hope that with all these units, that there is treasure to be found."

The story also serves as a good promotional vehicle for the show Storage Wars.

The entire story is purportedly sourced to a phone call from a newbie buyer to Mr. Dotson. As such, Dotson isn't even vouching for the character of the caller, who wishes to remain anonymous.

Thus, a plausible skeptical scenario is:

Publicist for Storage Wars wants to get some good press for the show.

Sends in a straw buyer, who wins the unit.

Phone call made to Dotson, reporting the amazing find.

Plausible believability is established. Dotsons aren't even in on the screw.

Dotson now believes the story, and goes public with it. Newspapers and TV News run with it, as it's a fantastic story, despite the fact that it has only one source: Dan Dotson's report of a phone call from a man who claimed to be a buyer but wished to remain anonymous.

Here's another story on this great find, with still no more sourcing than Dan Dotson.

The story includes these two promotional gems:

The Dotsons are on the road wrapping up filming for season two of "Storage Wars." The two season-opening episodes air Tuesday night.

Meanwhile, business is booming. American Auctioneers conducts between 2,500 and 3,000 events annually and is headed back to the Bay Area.

Friday it will auction abandoned units at A-1 Self Storage in Concord at 2 p.m. On Dec. 7, it will be at Price Self Storage in Walnut Creek at 11 a.m.
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How convenient it is that the story of this major find directly preceded the premiers of Season Two of Storage Wars.Just a coincidence?

I am of the belief that large parts of Storage Wars are staged. If you're going to stage a show, how far of a stretch is it to fake a find to promote your staged show?
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American Auctioneers is a big company. I doubt his employers would be too happy if he's putting out false stories.
 
Been poking around regarding the doubloons find story. Two news articles have a photo of some gold coins. But neither photo is captioned at all, so one still has to wonder whether they're using stock photos.

Then there's a couple posts on http://storageauctioncentral.com, a for-profit blog.

The second post: Update on $500k Gold Find at Auction

The story deepens the mystery, and puts the find into doubt. If true, the feds could very well be seizing the illicit booty.

If true, this suggests that the coins are real, and have an insane provenance.

If that's true, then maybe "John from San Jose" is a real guy. A really unfortunate guy, as it was the publicity of the find that brought the existence of the coins to the awareness of the mysterious Curtis P.

Yet, I am still curious as to why the blog post links one to a press release created by the blog owner, which serves as an advertisement for the blog in question. All seems pretty slick to me.

This entire Curtis P angle could very well be a ground-up red herring, a story so fantastical it couldn't possibly have been dreamed up, complete with a link to a real and known hacker criminal in a real jail.

Who would possibly dream up such a story, and why?

1) Storage Wars press folks, looking to misdirect folks away from their transparent press sharade regarding the doubloons.

2) storageauctioncentral.com, looking for more publicity for their blog.

3) Both of the above.

 
Too much talk about conspiracies and how bad the Texas version of the show is.

Not enough talk about Brandi and her huge cans. :wub:

 
'Bogart said:
Too much talk about conspiracies and how bad the Texas version of the show is.

Not enough talk about Brandi and her huge cans. :wub:
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Agreed. I keep clicking here hoping to find something like:Brandi to appear in upcoming issue of Playboy

or even better

Brandi Sex Tape Leaked!!!

No dice :kicksrock:

 
'kneeshooter said:
'Bogart said:
Too much talk about conspiracies and how bad the Texas version of the show is.

Not enough talk about Brandi and her huge cans. :wub:
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Agreed. I keep clicking here hoping to find something like:Brandi to appear in upcoming issue of Playboy

or even better

Brandi Sex Tape Leaked!!!

No dice :kicksrock:
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YOUR LINKS ARE BROKEN <<<<<<<<<<<< PLEASE FIX
 
'Jojo the circus boy said:
was this article posted? Wired magazine seems to back it up:http://www.prweb.com/releases/2011/11/prweb8981475.htm
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Yep, that's the press release I linked.But the Wired article just backs up that there's a backstory for Daniel David Rigmaiden, which is only linked to the purported "John from San Jose" find by a blog poster who calls himself "Curtis P". The Wired article details the case of Daniel David Rigmaiden. It does not back up the connection between Daniel David Rigmaiden and the purported doubloon find.
 
'Topes said:
'Jojo the circus boy said:
was this article posted? Wired magazine seems to back it up:http://www.prweb.com/releases/2011/11/prweb8981475.htm
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Yep, that's the press release I linked.But the Wired article just backs up that there's a backstory for Daniel David Rigmaiden, which is only linked to the purported "John from San Jose" find by a blog poster who calls himself "Curtis P". The Wired article details the case of Daniel David Rigmaiden. It does not back up the connection between Daniel David Rigmaiden and the purported doubloon find.
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That's a pretty elaborate ruse no?
 
'Topes said:
'Jojo the circus boy said:
was this article posted? Wired magazine seems to back it up:http://www.prweb.com/releases/2011/11/prweb8981475.htm
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Yep, that's the press release I linked.But the Wired article just backs up that there's a backstory for Daniel David Rigmaiden, which is only linked to the purported "John from San Jose" find by a blog poster who calls himself "Curtis P". The Wired article details the case of Daniel David Rigmaiden. It does not back up the connection between Daniel David Rigmaiden and the purported doubloon find.
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Have you been to a storage auction before? They have always been around. It's not like they are inventing a market here, though they are indeed over saturating it.
 
'Jojo the circus boy said:
'Topes said:
'Jojo the circus boy said:
was this article posted? Wired magazine seems to back it up:http://www.prweb.com/releases/2011/11/prweb8981475.htm
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Yep, that's the press release I linked.But the Wired article just backs up that there's a backstory for Daniel David Rigmaiden, which is only linked to the purported "John from San Jose" find by a blog poster who calls himself "Curtis P". The Wired article details the case of Daniel David Rigmaiden. It does not back up the connection between Daniel David Rigmaiden and the purported doubloon find.
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That's a pretty elaborate ruse no?
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I wouldn't think so. I'm not suggesting the Daniel David Rigmaiden case was manufactured as part of any ruse. I'm suggesting it could have been co-opted as a means to lend legitimacy to a fanciful tale. If one wishes to manufacture a conspiracy theory out of the cloth, one includes real people and real events and then suggests ways they tie together.The internet is loaded with trolls. The press release relies on nothing more than an essentially anonymous ("Curtis P") poster on a blog.That press release has as much validity as the following:
Some blog on the internet reports on a new twist in the story of a $500,000 gold coin discovery at a Concord, California storage auction.Former owner of $500K storage unit identified.Contra Costa County, California (PRWEB) November 22, 2011There’s a new twist in the story of the $500,000 in gold discovered by a bidder at a California storage auction two weeks ago. Some blog on the internet reports that they were contacted by a man who claims to know the original owner of the storage unit.On November 8, 2011, Dan and Laura Dotson, of television show “Storage Wars” fame, reported that a bidder at one of their auctions had discovered $500,000 in gold coins after purchasing the contents of a storage unit for $1,100. The coins were described as Spanish doubloons and reported to be at least 200 years old.After reading about the find on Some blog on the internet, some guy on the internet contacted the news outlet to detail what he knew of the coins’ history. some guy on the internet identified the owner of the gold as Daniel David Rigmaiden, a man who is currently awaiting trial in the United States District Court of Arizona (No. CR-08-814-PHX-DGC) on federal charges of fraud and identity theft. Rigmaiden, a self-described “hacker,” is accused of running a complex identity theft ring that stole more than $4 million from the U.S. government through the filing of fraudulent tax returns.Some guy on the internet relayed that he had met Rigmaiden in jail while being held for unrelated charges and that Rigmaiden asked him to take care of his apartment and storage units. Some guy on the internet said he was unable to make payment on the storage units because Rigmaiden had leased them under an alias that had not been disclosed to him.Some guy on the internet described Rigmaiden as a troubled genius whose apartment was devoid of nearly all modern amenities. “The only furniture he had were two tables, a folding chair, and a cot,” said some guy on the internet. some guy on the internet also said that Rigmaiden didn’t spend lavishly and would convert his stolen funds into gold and silver that he would then store away from his home. “He didn’t even have a car,” said some guy on the internet.Rigmaiden’s case reads like a modern day cloak and dagger novel, complete with undercover FBI and Secret Service operatives and suppression by the federal government of information about a secretive technology known as “Stingray” that is used to track cellular phone locations.some guy on the internet said Rigmaiden described the storage unit as containing $680,000 in gold, silver, and platinum. A wired.com article on Rigmaiden’s case stated that more than $116,000 cash and $210,000 in gold and silver coins were found when searching Rigmaiden’s home and another storage unit he rented.More details about some guy on the internet’s claims and Rigmaiden’s case can be found on Some blog on the internet.Some blog on the internet is a leading source of news and information about lots of stuff. For more details about lots of stuff, or to discuss this article, visit our Free For All forum.
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I also hear that Rob Schneider likes to pick up day laborers from Home Depot and pay them to choke him in the shower.

 
anyone else see the sign in the third storage locker? It had the date of the auction. Makes it look like the unit was entered before the auction.

 
'phrozen said:
anyone else see the sign in the third storage locker? It had the date of the auction. Makes it look like the unit was entered before the auction.
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Can you explain this a little better? Did they say the date of the auction and then inside the storage unit it had the same date?
 
'HughHoney said:
'phrozen said:
anyone else see the sign in the third storage locker? It had the date of the auction. Makes it look like the unit was entered before the auction.
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Can you explain this a little better? Did they say the date of the auction and then inside the storage unit it had the same date?
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Inside the 3rd unit was a piece of paper that read something like 'Auction Date: 6/2011', 'Unit: #B2577', and 'Tag: BR3552' or something like that. It was visible in a shot where the auctioneer and his wife rolled up the door, propped up in the center of the unit, facing outward quite clearly and deliberately.

Now I don't know exactly what that means. Perhaps the storage unit company inventoried material beforehand for some reason... on either 'Storage Wars', 'Auction Hunters', or one of the other shows, once there was a unit with a pinball machine clearly visible in it, and the auctioneer said before the auction that the pinball wasn't part of the sale. Wasn't explained how he knew there was going to be one inside or why it wasn't part of the sale. Perhaps there were two owners of the unit, and only one was part of the auction, or maybe there was a divorce and that pinball machine had some kind of legal claim on it (husband has lawyer send a letter to the storage unit company perhaps, saying 'if there's a pinball machine in there it's my client's property'?) I dunno, point was, there was some kind of foreknowledge involved but it seemed to be part of the business, and not something to do with the fact that it was being filmed for TV.

Another possibility is that the shot used was a re-shoot, and the piece of paper was the "slate" that accidentally ended up in the shot. Obviously with any TV show, there's an issue with keeping track of all the footage, and to make it easy we record a shot with all the details we need on camera. For a big-budget sitcom or drama TV show, it would have the date, show name, timing information, scene, etc. One of these things. The guy holds up the slate, the camera films it, then the guy gets out of the way and they do the scene. This tells the editor, later, when he gets the film reel what exactly is supposed to be on it. Perhaps on 'Storage Wars', the camera guy shoots a master shot of the whole unit with this piece of paper inside, so his editor can then match up the different tapes from the different cameras for the right units. Maybe he shoots it first, before the auction, maybe he shoots it after, but before the buyer goes digging in. Anyway, maybe it was accidentally left in there, and the camera guy needed a shot of the auctioneers opening the door (maybe he missed it the first time they opened it, maybe the camera went on the fritz the first time, maybe the lights were off inside the unit, etc). So he asked them to re-create it and he accidentally caught his slate in the shot.

Or maybe some other reason. Or maybe the whole show is written by writers and all the people on camera are paid actors. I dunno.

Obviously there's editing involved, and you can never trust 100% of the way the action is presented as truth. Right before, there was a shot of a guy cutting off the lock on the door, but was that the same lock for the same unit, or was that just stock footage they have? Same kind of thing. Our minds put together a narrative based on all these shots, but, that's not going to be completely accurate all the time. So we see a shot of a guy cutting the lock, then we see another shot of the couple opening the door, but who knows if one necessarily followed the other without anything in between.

 
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'Sarnoff said:
'HughHoney said:
'phrozen said:
anyone else see the sign in the third storage locker? It had the date of the auction. Makes it look like the unit was entered before the auction.
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Can you explain this a little better? Did they say the date of the auction and then inside the storage unit it had the same date?
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Inside the 3rd unit was a piece of paper that read something like 'Auction Date: 6/2011', 'Unit: #B2577', and 'Tag: BR3552' or something like that. It was visible in a shot where the auctioneer and his wife rolled up the door, propped up in the center of the unit, facing outward quite clearly and deliberately.

Now I don't know exactly what that means. Perhaps the storage unit company inventoried material beforehand for some reason... on either 'Storage Wars', 'Auction Hunters', or one of the other shows, once there was a unit with a pinball machine clearly visible in it, and the auctioneer said before the auction that the pinball wasn't part of the sale. Wasn't explained how he knew there was going to be one inside or why it wasn't part of the sale. Perhaps there were two owners of the unit, and only one was part of the auction, or maybe there was a divorce and that pinball machine had some kind of legal claim on it (husband has lawyer send a letter to the storage unit company perhaps, saying 'if there's a pinball machine in there it's my client's property'?) I dunno, point was, there was some kind of foreknowledge involved but it seemed to be part of the business, and not something to do with the fact that it was being filmed for TV.

Another possibility is that the shot used was a re-shoot, and the piece of paper was the "slate" that accidentally ended up in the shot. Obviously with any TV show, there's an issue with keeping track of all the footage, and to make it easy we record a shot with all the details we need on camera. For a big-budget sitcom or drama TV show, it would have the date, show name, timing information, scene, etc. One of these things. The guy holds up the slate, the camera films it, then the guy gets out of the way and they do the scene. This tells the editor, later, when he gets the film reel what exactly is supposed to be on it. Perhaps on 'Storage Wars', the camera guy shoots a master shot of the whole unit with this piece of paper inside, so his editor can then match up the different tapes from the different cameras for the right units. Maybe he shoots it first, before the auction, maybe he shoots it after, but before the buyer goes digging in. Anyway, maybe it was accidentally left in there, and the camera guy needed a shot of the auctioneers opening the door (maybe he missed it the first time they opened it, maybe the camera went on the fritz the first time, maybe the lights were off inside the unit, etc). So he asked them to re-create it and he accidentally caught his slate in the shot.

Or maybe some other reason. Or maybe the whole show is written by writers and all the people on camera are paid actors. I dunno.

Obviously there's editing involved, and you can never trust 100% of the way the action is presented as truth. Right before, there was a shot of a guy cutting off the lock on the door, but was that the same lock for the same unit, or was that just stock footage they have? Same kind of thing. Our minds put together a narrative based on all these shots, but, that's not going to be completely accurate all the time. So we see a shot of a guy cutting the lock, then we see another shot of the couple opening the door, but who knows if one necessarily followed the other without anything in between.
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It was propped up on the pink/flowery circular box when they first opened the door and people started to look. In a later shot as Dave or someone looked at it the note was laying face down a foot away. So even if it was used for editing the shots together later on, they did a horrible job of removing it from the scene.
 
'Sarnoff said:
'HughHoney said:
'phrozen said:
anyone else see the sign in the third storage locker? It had the date of the auction. Makes it look like the unit was entered before the auction.
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Can you explain this a little better? Did they say the date of the auction and then inside the storage unit it had the same date?
Click to expand...
Inside the 3rd unit was a piece of paper that read something like 'Auction Date: 6/2011', 'Unit: #B2577', and 'Tag: BR3552' or something like that. It was visible in a shot where the auctioneer and his wife rolled up the door, propped up in the center of the unit, facing outward quite clearly and deliberately.

Now I don't know exactly what that means. Perhaps the storage unit company inventoried material beforehand for some reason... on either 'Storage Wars', 'Auction Hunters', or one of the other shows, once there was a unit with a pinball machine clearly visible in it, and the auctioneer said before the auction that the pinball wasn't part of the sale. Wasn't explained how he knew there was going to be one inside or why it wasn't part of the sale. Perhaps there were two owners of the unit, and only one was part of the auction, or maybe there was a divorce and that pinball machine had some kind of legal claim on it (husband has lawyer send a letter to the storage unit company perhaps, saying 'if there's a pinball machine in there it's my client's property'?) I dunno, point was, there was some kind of foreknowledge involved but it seemed to be part of the business, and not something to do with the fact that it was being filmed for TV.

Another possibility is that the shot used was a re-shoot, and the piece of paper was the "slate" that accidentally ended up in the shot. Obviously with any TV show, there's an issue with keeping track of all the footage, and to make it easy we record a shot with all the details we need on camera. For a big-budget sitcom or drama TV show, it would have the date, show name, timing information, scene, etc. One of these things. The guy holds up the slate, the camera films it, then the guy gets out of the way and they do the scene. This tells the editor, later, when he gets the film reel what exactly is supposed to be on it. Perhaps on 'Storage Wars', the camera guy shoots a master shot of the whole unit with this piece of paper inside, so his editor can then match up the different tapes from the different cameras for the right units. Maybe he shoots it first, before the auction, maybe he shoots it after, but before the buyer goes digging in. Anyway, maybe it was accidentally left in there, and the camera guy needed a shot of the auctioneers opening the door (maybe he missed it the first time they opened it, maybe the camera went on the fritz the first time, maybe the lights were off inside the unit, etc). So he asked them to re-create it and he accidentally caught his slate in the shot.

Or maybe some other reason. Or maybe the whole show is written by writers and all the people on camera are paid actors. I dunno.

Obviously there's editing involved, and you can never trust 100% of the way the action is presented as truth. Right before, there was a shot of a guy cutting off the lock on the door, but was that the same lock for the same unit, or was that just stock footage they have? Same kind of thing. Our minds put together a narrative based on all these shots, but, that's not going to be completely accurate all the time. So we see a shot of a guy cutting the lock, then we see another shot of the couple opening the door, but who knows if one necessarily followed the other without anything in between.
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The cutting the locks off are "staged". In reality, the renter's lock is cut off before well before the auction so you don't have a bunch of people just standing around while Jethro tries to get the lock off.Now, as far as the sign, from the CA law on selling Storage lockers:

21707. (a) After the expiration of the time given in the notice of lien sale, pursuant to subdivision (a) of Section 21705, an advertisement of the sale shall be published once a week for two weeks consecutively in a newspaper of general circulation published in the judicial district where the sale is to be held. The

advertisement shall include a general description of the goods, the name of the person on whose account they are being stored, the space number of the occupant, and the name and location of the storage facility. If there is no newspaper of general circulation published in the judicial district where the sale is to be held, the

advertisement shall be posted at least 10 days before the sale in not less than six conspicuous places in the neighborhood of the proposed sale.
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The "General description of goods" seems to indicate that the storage facility has to enter the locker so they can get a description to list.
 
Barry cracks me up

Brandi has great cans

Whotf cares about the reality angle?

Its ####### tv.

All those smoking hot actors that are in every tv show sure are realistic. Jack Bauer never took a #### once in 10 seasons, let alone a leak. And there sure are a lot of csi lab geeks that I would want to play hide the evidence with. Etc, etc, etc

 
'Cliff Clavin said:
'Rayderr said:
'Cliff Clavin said:
Fake. But Brandi is sexy enough to keep watching.Isn't it amazing how Barry always finds that one fantastic collectors item?
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Yeah, like those records that were worth like $5.
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I haven't seen that one. So he doesn't always find something and take it to a collector he knows?
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He thought they might be wroth a lot of money, took them to a record store, found out that they were worthless. Same with the Green stamps sign he got in vegas. took it to the Neon Boneyard who said it was worthless. They strike out a lot (there was actually one episode where everyone lost money) but it does seem this year that they are only showing ones where somebody has a big find.
 
'Cliff Clavin said:
'Rayderr said:
'Cliff Clavin said:
Fake. But Brandi is sexy enough to keep watching.Isn't it amazing how Barry always finds that one fantastic collectors item?
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Yeah, like those records that were worth like $5.
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I haven't seen that one. So he doesn't always find something and take it to a collector he knows?
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I think he does every episode I've seen, but sometimes they're not worth anything or are fake. Regardless, totally staged.
 
'DA RAIDERS said:
Barry cracks me upBrandi has great cansWhotf cares about the reality angle? Its ####### tv.All those smoking hot actors that are in every tv show sure are realistic. Jack Bauer never took a #### once in 10 seasons, let alone a leak. And there sure are a lot of csi lab geeks that I would want to play hide the evidence with. Etc, etc, etc
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He used the restroom during commercial breaks, duh. It's all in real time.
 
'EYLive said:
'DA RAIDERS said:
Barry cracks me upBrandi has great cansWhotf cares about the reality angle? Its ####### tv.All those smoking hot actors that are in every tv show sure are realistic. Jack Bauer never took a #### once in 10 seasons, let alone a leak. And there sure are a lot of csi lab geeks that I would want to play hide the evidence with. Etc, etc, etc
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He used the restroom during commercial breaks, duh. It's all in real time.
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There actually was an episode where the last shot before the commercial break was Jack walking into a bathroom, and the first shot coming back from commercials was him washing his hands in the sink, 4 minutes later.
 
'EYLive said:
Nsbila - Woman you find strangely attractive? :unsure:
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it doesn't hurt that she has $$$ as well. Am I the only one who gets annoyed that these people name their own prices for what they find? For as dumb as Darrell is sometimes, I can't imagine paying the prices he quotes.
 
'Max Power said:
Am I the only one who gets annoyed that these people name their own prices for what they find? For as dumb as Darrell is sometimes, I can't imagine paying the prices he quotes.
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Darrel in particular is the worst. He seems to just pull figures out of his ###. And even when he doesn't, like last night's "These tiles sell for $15 each" (realistic) why is someone gonna buy them off you for $15 instead of getting them from Home Depot for $15?
 
'Rayderr said:
'Max Power said:
Am I the only one who gets annoyed that these people name their own prices for what they find? For as dumb as Darrell is sometimes, I can't imagine paying the prices he quotes.
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Darrel in particular is the worst. He seems to just pull figures out of his ###. And even when he doesn't, like last night's "These tiles sell for $15 each" (realistic) why is someone gonna buy them off you for $15 instead of getting them from Home Depot for $15?
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Look, its worth a $15 bill, ok?
 
'Rayderr said:
'Max Power said:
Am I the only one who gets annoyed that these people name their own prices for what they find? For as dumb as Darrell is sometimes, I can't imagine paying the prices he quotes.
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Darrel in particular is the worst. He seems to just pull figures out of his ###. And even when he doesn't, like last night's "These tiles sell for $15 each" (realistic) why is someone gonna buy them off you for $15 instead of getting them from Home Depot for $15?
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haha, that's pretty much what just set me off. He knows he has contractor friends who would want the stuff and then quotes retail prices.
 
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'hooter311 said:
'Rayderr said:
'Max Power said:
Am I the only one who gets annoyed that these people name their own prices for what they find? For as dumb as Darrell is sometimes, I can't imagine paying the prices he quotes.
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Darrel in particular is the worst. He seems to just pull figures out of his ###. And even when he doesn't, like last night's "These tiles sell for $15 each" (realistic) why is someone gonna buy them off you for $15 instead of getting them from Home Depot for $15?
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Look, its worth a $15 bill, ok?
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:wowfactor:
 
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