Straight From Brady's Mouth (1 Viewer)

[treat88]

I hate the Pats. I hate Belicheat. I hate Brady. I hate the self-righteous martyrs that root for the Pats.

All that being said, this is a man's game, played by men's rules.

The Pats are simply treating their opponents like men. If you don't understand this, that is a comment on you.

It's far more humiliating to have a team ease up than to continue to respect you by playing at a high level.

What are the Pats opponents? Women and children? If so, maybe the Pats should hold the door for them, scoot their chair in, and wipe their little tushes too.

The one thing I can imagine that would be more humiliating than having the Pats treat your team like you weren't a worthy opponent would be to be a fan bawling cause your team was treated like men. It's one thing to be given some mercy, it's another thing altogether to ask for it.

I'm as big a Steelers fan as there is. If the Pats are waxing them come December and they pull Brady or ease up in any way and don't give the Steelers players the chance to step up and compete I will be far more ashamed than if we lose by 60 but go down swinging.

I hate the Pats, but I respect the Pats.

 

[Bayhawks]

All it takes is his LT to miss a block and a DE to blindside him in the knees, season over.

What is this supposed to mean ?This can be said of any QB in the NFL.Go back to sleep, hater.

It's not hating, I don't think. I personally feel that there is nothing unsportsmanlike about the Pats playing the way they are playing; I just don't know if it's the smartest way to play. Look at it this way:1) The Pats clearly have a great team, with a chance to do something special (win a Superbowl), something very special (win their 4th superbowl in 1 decade), and something completely unheard of (go 19-0).2) The way the Pats have played, with the exception of the Indy game, they could have put in subs for most (if not all) of the 4th quarter.3) Tom Brady is the one player that the Pats cannot afford to lose; if they lose Maroney, Watson, an O-lineman, anyone from their defense, Welker, Stallworth, EVEN MOSS-they can still continue to play well. But if they lose Brady, the drop-off is too great, and the hopes of a perfect season and probable Super Bowl win are lost. 4) The Pats are passing the ball 53% of the time, even when they are up. This leaves Brady vulnerable to a hit that could knock him out of the game.Now, taking all of those facts into account, wouldn't the smart thing be to reduce the risk to Brady? So, when the game is clearly in the bag, do one of two things: 1-run the ball ALOT to limit some of the risk to Brady (also eat up play clock, thereby further limiting the amount of time Brady has to play)-most NFL teams do this anyway when they are up. 2-Take Brady out. The limited number of active players on game day prevents NFL teams from having depth at every position, but (as stated before), the Pats can't lose Brady, so if you're not going to take everyone out, you could at least take him out.So that being said, let me repeat, I feel that Brady has every right to go after any records he thinks he can reach, I feel that B.B. (even though I can't stand him) has every right to want to set scoring records, point differential records, have a perfect season, etc, etc. I, personally, just don't think that it's necessarily the smartest decision. They could play Brady less and still go 19-0, but they might not set all of the team scoring and personal scoring records they have a shot at. Which is most important: the team records, or the personal records? But, hey, maybe it will work for him, Brady won't get hurt, they will set all kinds of records, have a perfect season, win the SB, and go down as the greatest team ever.

Part 1, #3- 3) "Tom Brady is the one player that the Pats cannot afford to lose..."-Is he? In the 4th game of the 1972 season Bob Griese broke in his right leg and he also dislocated his right ankle. Griese was replaced by 38-year old Earl Morrall, who quarterbacked every game of that perfect regular season thereafter (Griese would return in the post-season).

Yes, he is. This is not 1972, the NFL is MUCH different now. The way the league is set up, parity is much more prevalent. The main reason the Patriots are so far ahead of the other teams is Tom Brady. The Patriots rely on him much, much more than the 1972 Dolphins relied on Griese. The Pats are a passing team, the '72 Dolphins definitely were not.

 

[Statcruncher]

The Patriots are an amazingly good team who has been treating the league like LT treated Theisman. I have no problem with that, adminstering and receiving a good old fashioned ### whipping is part of every sport any human has every played. There is something to be said about wanting to absolutely destroy, demoralize, and humble your opponents. Every crushing defeat dished out makes the next game easier as you are already in the next opponent's head. Respect on the field is earned with every humiliating blowout dispensed, but class is lost though. Yeah, I may be old school or plain stupid but standing on the gas just because you can is not classy.

Everyone seems to think this is teh best team evah because they are ##### slapping everyone around. I suppose they could be but I think it's unprecedented because other teams from the past showed some respect for their opponents and the league. I have no doubt the powerhouse Super Bowl teams from Dallas, San Francisco, and Chicago could have done the same thing. Maybe the league would be better today if they had thrown civility out and gone for the scoring title. Anyway if that's what the Pats need to do to motivate themselves then by all means roll with it.

They have set themselves up for an unprecedented season which could quite possibly be the greatest ever. But the way they are going about ensures that only their fans can appreciate it. And for the record I'm not a hater, I have actually pulled for them since they got shellacked in Super Bowl 20 as I felt bad the score wound up that lopsided. Anyway, the Patriots are going yard this season one way or another as they have left no middle ground. Their season will end either as they hoist the trophy capping one of the most dominating seasons in the books, or have an epic loss which will forever be ridiculed just as relentlessly and classlessly as they pounded opponents.

 

[humans_being]

Pats fans need to get off the high horse already. First of all, the whole beantown fandom thing has gotten silly. It is not about the teams winning - it is how people handle winning. And in the case of many beantown fans, they handle it rather annoyingly compared with other fans. And this coming from someone who has to live around quasi yankee fans all the time (and some real ones who almost miss the days when it meant something to root for the team).In the case of the Pats, its not that they are winning. It is to a degree how they are winning and most importantly, to many of us, how they seem to act when they are winning. It is off-putting to say the least.Perhaps Pats fans should realize that there is more going on here than just a team dominating. As far as that is concerned, I am a big moss fan - I hope he catches 25 TDs this year. The smugness of the team overall however, makes me not wish for, but certainly not mind, if bad things happened.Hey, life's tough. We can't always pretend to be fairies and take what is perceived to be the high road.

"Boston fans are not going to apologize for talking about and talking up our teams."

 

[Green Apple Splatter]

Let's make a commitment not to start a Pats thread for at least 3 days. Come on guys, you can do it. All together now....

 

[Darth Cheney]

I'm getting tired of all this Pats hate. Hater recognize the greatness. We've suffered a long time. Let us have our moment in the sun without hearing you guys complain.

I can recognize greatness and expect a little humility at the same time.And just how have Patriots fans "suffered" in the last decade?

I don't know. I just started liking the team last week.

 

[Pat Patriot]

I'm getting tired of all this Pats hate. Hater recognize the greatness. We've suffered a long time. Let us have our moment in the sun without hearing you guys complain.

decent chum slick here

For those of you that are ill informed, Darth Cheney is a major Yankees fan which makes it pretty unlikely that he is a Patriots fan.

 

[Joe Bryant]

The suffering goes back quite a while. But here's an interesting note. In 1989, Dallas was 1-15. In '90, New England was 1-15. And in '91, it was Indy...1-15. Atleast we know Indy fans, that in a few years, our teams will probably suck together again.

This one I couldn't let go. Please please please don't play the suffering card. Over the last few years, there isn't a team more blessed than the Patriots. Not even remotely close. There hasn't been a more comfortable team to be a fan of than the New England Patriots in recent memory. For any major sport except maybe USC football or the University of Florida in football and basketball.I realize there were lean years. But that was a long time ago. You guys have been one of the top two or three teams in the league for what seems like a LONG time. Ask any fan from around the league if they'd like to trade the last 5 years of fan experiences with you and you will have zero takers. Ask any fan from around the league if they'd like to trade the last 20 years of fan experiences with you and you will have VERY few takers.You guys are the most blessed franchise in sports for recent memory. Good for you. But please don't play the suffering card. It sounds like the guy crying because his Porsche got scratched.J

 

[Pat Patriot]

Pats fans need to get off the high horse already. First of all, the whole beantown fandom thing has gotten silly. It is not about the teams winning - it is how people handle winning. And in the case of many beantown fans, they handle it rather annoyingly compared with other fans. And this coming from someone who has to live around quasi yankee fans all the time (and some real ones who almost miss the days when it meant something to root for the team).In the case of the Pats, its not that they are winning. It is to a degree how they are winning and most importantly, to many of us, how they seem to act when they are winning. It is off-putting to say the least.Perhaps Pats fans should realize that there is more going on here than just a team dominating. As far as that is concerned, I am a big moss fan - I hope he catches 25 TDs this year. The smugness of the team overall however, makes me not wish for, but certainly not mind, if bad things happened.Hey, life's tough. We can't always pretend to be fairies and take what is perceived to be the high road.

"Boston fans are not going to apologize for talking about and talking up our teams."

Hey, I think I just got quoted but didnt get the credit.

 

[Mario Kart]

Your character is measured by how well you lose and not by how you are as a winner. If/When the Patriots lose a game, be it regular season, playoff, Superbowl, and the Patriots cry foul... then let the hate begin. But, for now they deserve to act in whatever way they are. The fans are a different story as most are acting poorly while winning. Imagine if/when the Patriots lose, the fans will be like a Home Depot or Lowe's to everyone.

 

[Pat Patriot]

The suffering goes back quite a while. But here's an interesting note. In 1989, Dallas was 1-15. In '90, New England was 1-15. And in '91, it was Indy...1-15. Atleast we know Indy fans, that in a few years, our teams will probably suck together again.

This one I couldn't let go. Please please please don't play the suffering card. Over the last few years, there isn't a team more blessed than the Patriots. Not even remotely close. There hasn't been a more comfortable team to be a fan of than the New England Patriots in recent memory. For any major sport except maybe USC football or the University of Florida in football and basketball.I realize there were lean years. But that was a long time ago. You guys have been one of the top two or three teams in the league for what seems like a LONG time. Ask any fan from around the league if they'd like to trade the last 5 years of fan experiences with you and you will have zero takers. Ask any fan from around the league if they'd like to trade the last 20 years of fan experiences with you and you will have VERY few takers.You guys are the most blessed franchise in sports for recent memory. Good for you. But please don't play the suffering card. It sounds like the guy crying because his Porsche got scratched.J

Joe,I'm not surprised at all those other lemmings jumping in the boat but how do you not know that Darth Cheney is a New Yorker. I know that Twitch responded to it but Darth made the first comment and he was obviously being facetious. Patriot fans do not refer to themselves as "long-suffering". The Pats have only had 1 down year since 1996 and I for one have gotten to attend personally 3 SB's winning 2 (I didnt attend the Carolina victory). So, no, we are no longer "long suffering" Pats fans and havent been for quite awhile.Pat

 

[Pat Patriot]

Your character is measured by how well you lose and not by how you are as a winner. If/When the Patriots lose a game, be it regular season, playoff, Superbowl, and the Patriots cry foul... then let the hate begin. But, for now they deserve to act in whatever way they are. The fans are a different story as most are acting poorly while winning. Imagine if/when the Patriots lose, the fans will be like a Home Depot or Lowe's to everyone.

Please define "acting poorly while winning" as far as the fans are concerned.

 

[Mustang Man]

ahh who cares. IF, the Pats get to 18-0 and enter the Super Bowl undefeated then this will matter. The Pats have did nothing to this point but win 10 games. Allot can happen the next two months and probably will. If they run the table or even just win the Super Bowl then my hat goes off to them. Not till then though. So who cares at this point..

 

[sdsjr3]

I understand the hate, to a point. Folks get tired of seeing the same team win all the time. Me especially, let my Jets have a chance! LOL...well...that ain't happnin' anyway.But the thing is, this could be the greatest team any of us will ever see. I don't think that's an exaggeration either. These guys are unbelievable. A few weeks ago, I was as disgusted as anyone about what the Pats are doing, then I thought logically about it. I don't think they are in the wrong for the scores of their games. It is the NFL after all, somebody should be able to stop them. I have no problem with Brady being the game, that's a coaches choice and if he gets hurt, then BB will pay the piper so to speak because I don't think they can continue the streak without him. And I think it's impressive as hell that they can basically score at will on anybody. An unbiased opinion of of the Colts game will show you that the Pats overcame more than just the Colts lead in that game. The officiating sucked. I can't stand the Patriots, but man...how can you not respect what we're seeing? It's because they run their team perfectly for this era, other teams need to learn this.Bottom line: When something like the 07 Patriots comes along, like 'em or not, sometimes you've just gotta sit back and watch in awe because I really don't think anybody is going to slow them down unless something bad happens to key components. So complaining about them is fruitless...and rather annoying.

Full respect for these thoughts. Well said. I'll never bash Jets fans again. For atleast a few weeks.

Ah, bash away...our time's a comin'....I'll get ya back!

 

[Bobcat10]

Nice work, Darth.

 

[riot_208]

This is Baloney!! Gentleman, this is a 5 or 6 team league!! Dallas,Pats,GB,Pitt.,Colts!! The rest may as well not even be there!! So the Pats have only played 2 of these more elite teams Cowboys and Colts. Let's be reaalistic, Dallas had the lead on the Pats at the end of the 3rd quarter 24 to 21. Randy Moss runs into a dallas defender in the endzone that was just standing there with his arms to his sides. Horrific call!!! Now i know the refs arn't perfect but what if they didn't make that call then the pats where in FG range so they may have just tied the game and then maybe Dallas gets the momentom back and Romo gets to win the game for dallas. In the Colts game Manning and Company didn't even have the Best WR in football since maybe Jerry Rice in Marvin Harrison!! Moorhead dropped like 3 balls that would have been 1st downs that would have iced the game for the colts. Marvin would have made at least 2 out of 3 of those catches, therefore Colts would probably have won the game. So let me get this strait: A Dallas team that lost in the 1st round last year, missing Terry glenn and Anthony henry and still not having Tank Johnson in the Pats game and still leading the game at the end of the 3rd 1/4 have no chance against the Pats this year? A colts team without the Best WR maybe in Football if marvin Harrison gets healthy I think Both Dallas and Colts both have shown they can compete with The pats!! Both teams were missing key palyers and if they get them back may pose great problems for the Pats!! No -one can argue this!!

 

[Footballg]

The smugness of the team overall however, makes me not wish for, but certainly not mind, if bad things happened.

I dont get the smugness . Who would you consider smug on the Patriots?

Belichiks' whole deameanor. Some snide comments at times from Brady, though I don't have a huge issue with Brady himself. Perhaps it really comes down to the coach and his personality and how that spreads throughout the team. It is an arrogance mixed with rudness and comtempt of others and their opponenent along with a disrespectful approach in general (be it a press conference or the 4th quarter of a blowout)It has filtered to many fans as well, but I have to run for now...

I see it completely opposite, so it's funny how everybody perceives things differently through the colored glasses of their own personality. Most of the things like this I read from people are 100% perception with a little mind reading thrown in and about 0% actual observable fact. Frankly, the only people I see with any amount of arrogance, rudeness, and contempt for others would be the Pats haters, and I think that's a lot more than just my perception if you spend any time reading this board.

 

[Fantaholic]

He has the right to try and blowout teams - he should.Heck, he has the right to try and embarass them.They have a right to hit him hard on each and everyplay. And maybe, JUST maybe, one of those hits....

All it takes is his LT to miss a block and a DE to blindside him in the knees, season over.

Guys,NE fan or not. Tom Brady is the closest thing to a first class player in the NFL. Comments such as this one are just ignorant.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Your character is measured by how well you lose and not by how you are as a winner. If/When the Patriots lose a game, be it regular season, playoff, Superbowl, and the Patriots cry foul... then let the hate begin. But, for now they deserve to act in whatever way they are. The fans are a different story as most are acting poorly while winning. Imagine if/when the Patriots lose, the fans will be like a Home Depot or Lowe's to everyone.

Please define "acting poorly while winning" as far as the fans are concerned.

Read just about any post by eom in the last two months.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Your character is measured by how well you lose and not by how you are as a winner. If/When the Patriots lose a game, be it regular season, playoff, Superbowl, and the Patriots cry foul... then let the hate begin. But, for now they deserve to act in whatever way they are. The fans are a different story as most are acting poorly while winning. Imagine if/when the Patriots lose, the fans will be like a Home Depot or Lowe's to everyone.

Please define "acting poorly while winning" as far as the fans are concerned.

Read just about any post by eom in the last two months.

Thats one guy, how does he represent Patriot Nation?

 

[twitch]

The suffering goes back quite a while. But here's an interesting note. In 1989, Dallas was 1-15. In '90, New England was 1-15. And in '91, it was Indy...1-15. Atleast we know Indy fans, that in a few years, our teams will probably suck together again.

This one I couldn't let go. Please please please don't play the suffering card. Over the last few years, there isn't a team more blessed than the Patriots. Not even remotely close. There hasn't been a more comfortable team to be a fan of than the New England Patriots in recent memory. For any major sport except maybe USC football or the University of Florida in football and basketball.I realize there were lean years. But that was a long time ago. You guys have been one of the top two or three teams in the league for what seems like a LONG time. Ask any fan from around the league if they'd like to trade the last 5 years of fan experiences with you and you will have zero takers. Ask any fan from around the league if they'd like to trade the last 20 years of fan experiences with you and you will have VERY few takers.You guys are the most blessed franchise in sports for recent memory. Good for you. But please don't play the suffering card. It sounds like the guy crying because his Porsche got scratched.J

J-You dont seem to be this off on your interpretations. I was responding to someone else referring to their "long suffering", which I found funny, but for those of who have been fans going back to the 70s, we're no different than any other fans. We've all seen tough times. But cmon. Playing the "suffering card"? After giving the wink to Colts fans for being 'stuck' in the same boat? You missed the mark on this one. But it happens to the best of us.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I'm getting tired of all this Pats hate. Hater recognize the greatness. We've suffered a long time. Let us have our moment in the sun without hearing you guys complain.

I can't stand the Pats. Beat my Rams in the SB and I don't get the hate either. Actually discussing a blindside hit to the knee. Another poster "hoping" that one of those hits....That's horrible. What the hell is wrong with you people. If they want to run it up, let them. Don't want it to happen, don't let it happen. The O gets paid to score points. The D gets paid to not let people score points. They are proving to the world that they are the best in the world at doing this. If D's can't stop then they need to stop complaining and try harder....

Giggling over the possibility of a man suffering serious injury is pathetic.

 

[Joe Bryant]

The suffering goes back quite a while. But here's an interesting note. In 1989, Dallas was 1-15. In '90, New England was 1-15. And in '91, it was Indy...1-15. Atleast we know Indy fans, that in a few years, our teams will probably suck together again.

This one I couldn't let go. Please please please don't play the suffering card. Over the last few years, there isn't a team more blessed than the Patriots. Not even remotely close. There hasn't been a more comfortable team to be a fan of than the New England Patriots in recent memory. For any major sport except maybe USC football or the University of Florida in football and basketball.I realize there were lean years. But that was a long time ago. You guys have been one of the top two or three teams in the league for what seems like a LONG time. Ask any fan from around the league if they'd like to trade the last 5 years of fan experiences with you and you will have zero takers. Ask any fan from around the league if they'd like to trade the last 20 years of fan experiences with you and you will have VERY few takers.You guys are the most blessed franchise in sports for recent memory. Good for you. But please don't play the suffering card. It sounds like the guy crying because his Porsche got scratched.J

J-You dont seem to be this off on your interpretations. I was responding to someone else referring to their "long suffering", which I found funny, but for those of who have been fans going back to the 70s, we're no different than any other fans. We've all seen tough times. But cmon. Playing the "suffering card"? After giving the wink to Colts fans for being 'stuck' in the same boat? You missed the mark on this one. But it happens to the best of us.

Thanks for clarifying twitch. You didn't quote anyone in your post so I just assumed it was a statement. I'm glad you don't mean that the suffering goes back quite a while. J

 

[Footballg]

Joe --

Every time I open one of these threads I can count on a couple people wishing someone would break Brady's leg, but the post you call out as really objectionable is some guy supposedly lamenting the crappy Patriots teams?

I think that says it all.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Joe -- Every time I open one of these threads I can count on a couple people wishing someone would break Brady's leg, but the post you call out as really objectionable is some guy supposedly lamenting the crappy Patriots teams?I think that says it all.

Joe started a thread so people can whine about the Patriots. He has been very consistent with his approach to the Patriots. I know where Joe stands. Its not a mystery. He is the one that actually coined the "whiny tool" phrase and directed it at Patriots fans. But lets be excellent in here.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Joe -- Every time I open one of these threads I can count on a couple people wishing someone would break Brady's leg, but the post you call out as really objectionable is some guy supposedly lamenting the crappy Patriots teams?I think that says it all.

Joe started a thread so people can whine about the Patriots. He has been very consistent with his approach to the Patriots. I know where Joe stands. Its not a mystery. He is the one that actually coined the "whiny tool" phrase and directed it at Patriots fans. But lets be excellent in here.

Hi PP,Let's be 100% clear so you don't get confused.I started one thread so that we could stop the multiple anti Patriots threads that were starting every day. I locked those and told people if they were going to be critical of New England, to do it one thread so the board would be cleaner. I did not want multiple anti Patriot threads on the front page. Of the thousands of posts I have over the last few years, I don't think you'll ever see me being anti New England. If you do, please link here.I said the words whiny tool relating to Patriots fans one time some four plus years ago. I truly believe it was totally accurate but it was a mistake and I shouldn't have said it. Although the whining about it for years afterward is interesting."Coining" a phrase means you say it regularly and it becomes accepted. I positively did not do that. It was a mistake to say it as I should keep some things to myself. J

 

[IvanKaramazov]

from now on every person that wishes a hit to the knees on Brady should be IP banned for a month, this is pathetic. Supposedly the Patriots HHHAAAATTTEEE stems from them needing to 'cheat to win', and the classlessness that comes out of that. Wishing a season ending, possibly career ending injury to someone doing their job is completely low life, uncalled for, uneducated, unethical, and undoubtedly embarrassing to yourselves. Feel ashamed...

This would all be well and good if Vince Wolfork wasn't on New England's roster. As it is, New England fans have absolutely no right to complain about unsportsmanlike behavior by anybody on other teams. They root for a team that really does go after the opposing QB's knees.

 

[porkins]

The smugness of the team overall however, makes me not wish for, but certainly not mind, if bad things happened.

Please give examples.Such as: A player being caught on camera mock calling the President to send down the national guard because they are "killing" the other team. (Shannon Sharpe beating the Pats in 1996)A player saying "they might as well give us the rings now". (Colts player in 2003)A player saying into the camera that "this is the Championship game right here" the week before the AFC Championship game. (Ravens player 2001, playing the Steelers the day after the Pats beat Oakland)A caoch telling his players to make hotel reservations for family at the Superbowl city before the championship game is played. (Bill Cower 2001)If you can find any examples from this Pats team, let me know.

 

[greenline]

from now on every person that wishes a hit to the knees on Brady should be IP banned for a month, this is pathetic. Supposedly the Patriots HHHAAAATTTEEE stems from them needing to 'cheat to win', and the classlessness that comes out of that. Wishing a season ending, possibly career ending injury to someone doing their job is completely low life, uncalled for, uneducated, unethical, and undoubtedly embarrassing to yourselves. Feel ashamed...

This would all be well and good if Vince Wolfork wasn't on New England's roster. As it is, New England fans have absolutely no right to complain about unsportsmanlike behavior by anybody on other teams. They root for a team that really does go after the opposing QB's knees.

Oh, stop it.

 

[Footballg]

I said the words whiny tool relating to Patriots fans one time some four plus years ago. I truly believe it was totally accurate but it was a mistake and I shouldn't have said it. Although the whining about it for years afterward is interesting."Coining" a phrase means you say it regularly and it becomes accepted. I positively did not do that. It was a mistake to say it as I should keep some things to myself. J

The funny thing about this is I can read posts up and down this board and it seems to me the whiny tools are the ones whining about the Pats, and wishing injury, etc, and these are also the ones who find a comfortable home here. But like I said in an earlier post, I guess it all depends on your perception. One man's trash is another man's treasure.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

from now on every person that wishes a hit to the knees on Brady should be IP banned for a month, this is pathetic. Supposedly the Patriots HHHAAAATTTEEE stems from them needing to 'cheat to win', and the classlessness that comes out of that. Wishing a season ending, possibly career ending injury to someone doing their job is completely low life, uncalled for, uneducated, unethical, and undoubtedly embarrassing to yourselves. Feel ashamed...

This would all be well and good if Vince Wolfork wasn't on New England's roster. As it is, New England fans have absolutely no right to complain about unsportsmanlike behavior by anybody on other teams. They root for a team that really does go after the opposing QB's knees.

Oh, stop it.

I may have to rethink my entire philosophy of life after your blistering refutation. You made some excellent points and I will spend the next few days pondering them. Thank you for enlightening me. You are truly the wind beneath my wings.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I said the words whiny tool relating to Patriots fans one time some four plus years ago. I truly believe it was totally accurate but it was a mistake and I shouldn't have said it. Although the whining about it for years afterward is interesting."Coining" a phrase means you say it regularly and it becomes accepted. I positively did not do that. It was a mistake to say it as I should keep some things to myself. J

The funny thing about this is I can read posts up and down this board and it seems to me the whiny tools are the ones whining about the Pats, and wishing injury, etc, and these are also the ones who find a comfortable home here. But like I said in an earlier post, I guess it all depends on your perception. One man's trash is another man's treasure.

I'd agree perception is big. Always will be. And for sure, there are plenty of whiny tools for other teams besides the Pats.I'm not exactly sure what you mean though as I cut all the anti Patriot threads out and made them post in one thread so we didn't have that cluttering the board. Is that what you mean by making them "comfortable"? And do you think Patriot fans are "uncomfortable"?J

 

[Footballg]

I have no idea about how all Patriot fans are -- I'm sure they all feel differently. As for what I meant by 'comfortable', my perception is that Pats haters have pretty much free reign to post what ignorant lowlife drivel they feel like about the Pats and their fans, while any response, or any similar commentary about another team or it's fans would be quickly jumped on and shut down.

If you have a problem with the Pats and their fans because of their success, or whatever, that's certainly your entitlement, and this is your board to run however you like, but if you wanted to start some little anti-Pats club you should just be honest about it. You don't have to keep things to yourself.

Frankly, I'm more accustomed to mostly unmoderated boards, so maybe I'm just not used to the slant.

 

[Ned]

He has the right to try and blowout teams - he should.Heck, he has the right to try and embarass them.They have a right to hit him hard on each and everyplay. And maybe, JUST maybe, one of those hits....

Pats fans need to get off the high horse already. First of all, the whole beantown fandom thing has gotten silly. It is not about the teams winning - it is how people handle winning. And in the case of many beantown fans, they handle it rather annoyingly compared with other fans. And this coming from someone who has to live around quasi yankee fans all the time (and some real ones who almost miss the days when it meant something to root for the team).In the case of the Pats, its not that they are winning. It is to a degree how they are winning and most importantly, to many of us, how they seem to act when they are winning. It is off-putting to say the least.Perhaps Pats fans should realize that there is more going on here than just a team dominating. As far as that is concerned, I am a big moss fan - I hope he catches 25 TDs this year. The smugness of the team overall however, makes me not wish for, but certainly not mind, if bad things happened.Hey, life's tough. We can't always pretend to be fairies and take what is perceived to be the high road.

congrats on applauding injuries. top notch guy.

 

[greenline]

from now on every person that wishes a hit to the knees on Brady should be IP banned for a month, this is pathetic. Supposedly the Patriots HHHAAAATTTEEE stems from them needing to 'cheat to win', and the classlessness that comes out of that. Wishing a season ending, possibly career ending injury to someone doing their job is completely low life, uncalled for, uneducated, unethical, and undoubtedly embarrassing to yourselves. Feel ashamed...

This would all be well and good if Vince Wolfork wasn't on New England's roster. As it is, New England fans have absolutely no right to complain about unsportsmanlike behavior by anybody on other teams. They root for a team that really does go after the opposing QB's knees.

Oh, stop it.

I may have to rethink my entire philosophy of life after your blistering refutation. You made some excellent points and I will spend the next few days pondering them. Thank you for enlightening me. You are truly the wind beneath my wings.

 

[fatness]

I'm not exactly sure what you mean though as I cut all the anti Patriot threads out and made them post in one thread so we didn't have that cluttering the board. Is that what you mean by making them "comfortable"? And do you think Patriot fans are "uncomfortable"?J

This thread veered from the initial topic into the usual pro/con stuff very quickly. If we had one anti-Patriot thread, and one pro-Patriot thread, the board would be better off. That way all the rehashing could be done in 2 threads, instead of in multiple threads.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

from now on every person that wishes a hit to the knees on Brady should be IP banned for a month, this is pathetic. Supposedly the Patriots HHHAAAATTTEEE stems from them needing to 'cheat to win', and the classlessness that comes out of that. Wishing a season ending, possibly career ending injury to someone doing their job is completely low life, uncalled for, uneducated, unethical, and undoubtedly embarrassing to yourselves. Feel ashamed...

This would all be well and good if Vince Wolfork wasn't on New England's roster. As it is, New England fans have absolutely no right to complain about unsportsmanlike behavior by anybody on other teams. They root for a team that really does go after the opposing QB's knees.

Here's the problem. One incident does not equate to systematic approach. Wilfork did something wrong and was justifiably fined for it. The inference from your statement is that it is systematic / cultural / endemic to the Patriots.That's just wrong.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

"Coining" a phrase means you say it regularly and it becomes accepted. I positively did not do that. It was a mistake to say it as I should keep some things to myself.

J

tr.v. coined, coin·ing, coins
<LI minmax_bound="true">To make (pieces of money) from metal; mint or strike: coined silver dollars. <LI minmax_bound="true">To make pieces of money from (metal): coin gold.
To devise (a new word or phrase).Coining does not mean "you say it regularly". Coining means you devised the phrase.

I don't think it was a mistake for you to say it, and I have no problem with you saying it.

 

[jonessed]

Pats fans are now starting the same threads they were complaining about just a few weeks ago. I guess they just wanted the attention all along.

 

[Koya]

He has the right to try and blowout teams - he should.Heck, he has the right to try and embarass them.They have a right to hit him hard on each and everyplay. And maybe, JUST maybe, one of those hits....

Pats fans need to get off the high horse already. First of all, the whole beantown fandom thing has gotten silly. It is not about the teams winning - it is how people handle winning. And in the case of many beantown fans, they handle it rather annoyingly compared with other fans. And this coming from someone who has to live around quasi yankee fans all the time (and some real ones who almost miss the days when it meant something to root for the team).In the case of the Pats, its not that they are winning. It is to a degree how they are winning and most importantly, to many of us, how they seem to act when they are winning. It is off-putting to say the least.Perhaps Pats fans should realize that there is more going on here than just a team dominating. As far as that is concerned, I am a big moss fan - I hope he catches 25 TDs this year. The smugness of the team overall however, makes me not wish for, but certainly not mind, if bad things happened.Hey, life's tough. We can't always pretend to be fairies and take what is perceived to be the high road.

congrats on applauding injuries. top notch guy.

Football is a tough game - and I a man enough to admit what would happen should Brady get hurt. I could lie and pretend and pansy it up by taking some faux high road, or I can actually call it like it is... like it was when we played the game (HS and College), like I am sure many are thinking in the NFL and what I KNOW MANY MANY are thinking in general.I may not be proud of this, but I can admit it. Thanks for the compliment too, it's good to know others recognize my top notchness.

 

[Koya]

The smugness of the team overall however, makes me not wish for, but certainly not mind, if bad things happened.

Please give examples.Such as: A player being caught on camera mock calling the President to send down the national guard because they are "killing" the other team. (Shannon Sharpe beating the Pats in 1996)A player saying "they might as well give us the rings now". (Colts player in 2003)A player saying into the camera that "this is the Championship game right here" the week before the AFC Championship game. (Ravens player 2001, playing the Steelers the day after the Pats beat Oakland)A caoch telling his players to make hotel reservations for family at the Superbowl city before the championship game is played. (Bill Cower 2001)If you can find any examples from this Pats team, let me know.

Fine, one example that sets the precedent for the entire team:The coaches day to day behavior and the way he interacts with the media, fans, opposing coaches and players. Now, this is not really one incident, as it is the team's entire MO... but you (should) get my point.And other players/teams acting poorly does not make it ok for the Pats to do so - especially when the Pats act as if they are simply better than everyone else. If they are (and they may be), perhaps they should act in a manner to earn respect not just for their results, but for how they carry themselves.

 

[greenline]

The smugness of the team overall however, makes me not wish for, but certainly not mind, if bad things happened.

Please give examples.Such as: A player being caught on camera mock calling the President to send down the national guard because they are "killing" the other team. (Shannon Sharpe beating the Pats in 1996)A player saying "they might as well give us the rings now". (Colts player in 2003)A player saying into the camera that "this is the Championship game right here" the week before the AFC Championship game. (Ravens player 2001, playing the Steelers the day after the Pats beat Oakland)A caoch telling his players to make hotel reservations for family at the Superbowl city before the championship game is played. (Bill Cower 2001)If you can find any examples from this Pats team, let me know.

Fine, one example that sets the precedent for the entire team:The coaches day to day behavior and the way he interacts with the media, fans, opposing coaches and players. Now, this is not really one incident, as it is the team's entire MO... but you (should) get my point.And other players/teams acting poorly does not make it ok for the Pats to do so - especially when the Pats act as if they are simply better than everyone else. If they are (and they may be), perhaps they should act in a manner to earn respect not just for their results, but for how they carry themselves.

You think Belichick acts that way because he thinks he's better than everyone else? That literally thought "I'm better than all of you so I will act this way" is what goes through his head?

 

[porkins]

Fine, one example that sets the precedent for the entire team:

The coaches day to day behavior and the way he interacts with the media, fans, opposing coaches and players. Now, this is not really one incident, as it is the team's entire MO... but you (should) get my point.

And other players/teams acting poorly does not make it ok for the Pats to do so - especially when the Pats act as if they are simply better than everyone else. If they are (and they may be), perhaps they should act in a manner to earn respect not just for their results, but for how they carry themselves.

Link?Specific example? Something a little less vague than "The coaches day to day behavior".

I've seen nothing but the players talk up the team they just beat or will be playing the following week. They always have a very somber demeanor. I've never seen them whoop it up, talking trash.

I never said it was OK for those other players to act poorly, I was just citing some examples for you to look for from Patriots players. It seems you couldn't.

This team never gives "bulletin board material" and yet people hate them for being good.

 

[TD Ryan]

The coaches day to day behavior and the way he interacts with the media, fans, opposing coaches and players.

Have you ever listened to a Bill Belichick radio interview?they're available to hear on weei.com if you'd like.No, he doesn't talk about his playbook or his players' injuries, but he's a pretty fascinating guy. He talks at length about the the NFL, the rules, the history, etc. I understand it's subjective, but I really enjoy listening to him talk about the game.I'm really curious how many people that bash Belichick for his media shortcomings have actually listened to him recently. And I say recently because it is my understanding that he's come a long way from his CLE days.

 

[greenline]

The coaches day to day behavior and the way he interacts with the media, fans, opposing coaches and players.

Have you ever listened to a Bill Belichick radio interview?they're available to hear on weei.com if you'd like.No, he doesn't talk about his playbook or his players' injuries, but he's a pretty fascinating guy. He talks at length about the the NFL, the rules, the history, etc. I understand it's subjective, but I really enjoy listening to him talk about the game.I'm really curious how many people that bash Belichick for his media shortcomings have actually listened to him recently. And I say recently because it is my understanding that he's come a long way from his CLE days.

www.allthingsbillbelichick.comBill is very consistent in his responses. He doesn't usually evaluate his own players after a game, he always praises the other team, he won't discuss any injury, plays dumb about the outside world, recognitions, rankings, placement in history, etc. He is incredibly intelligent and well versed in football and will go on at length sometimes about very detailed, seemingly minute things. Ask him about what he thinks about Maroney's performance, he'll say he has to look at the tape. Ask him about the OLB's responsinbilties on a sweep and he'll talk for 3 paragraphs.

 

[greenline]

The smugness of the team overall however, makes me not wish for, but certainly not mind, if bad things happened.

Please give examples.Such as: A player being caught on camera mock calling the President to send down the national guard because they are "killing" the other team. (Shannon Sharpe beating the Pats in 1996)A player saying "they might as well give us the rings now". (Colts player in 2003)A player saying into the camera that "this is the Championship game right here" the week before the AFC Championship game. (Ravens player 2001, playing the Steelers the day after the Pats beat Oakland)A caoch telling his players to make hotel reservations for family at the Superbowl city before the championship game is played. (Bill Cower 2001)If you can find any examples from this Pats team, let me know.

Fine, one example that sets the precedent for the entire team:The coaches day to day behavior and the way he interacts with the media, fans, opposing coaches and players. Now, this is not really one incident, as it is the team's entire MO... but you (should) get my point.And other players/teams acting poorly does not make it ok for the Pats to do so - especially when the Pats act as if they are simply better than everyone else. If they are (and they may be), perhaps they should act in a manner to earn respect not just for their results, but for how they carry themselves.

Also, I have met and talked with BB three times since 2000 and he was very nice and respectful to my wife and I. The fans here love him. The media (save Ron Borges) like him and opposing coaches admire and respect him. How many people do you hear copying him now? They use "it is what it is." They say things that Bill has said for years.

 

[TD Ryan]

In case anyone wants to listen to him:

Here's a Direct Link to this week's Belichick interview

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

You still dont go for it on 4th and 1 when you're already killing a team.

 

[greenline]

You still dont go for it on 4th and 1 when you're already killing a team.

What do you do? Kneel?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

You still dont go for it on 4th and 1 when you're already killing a team.

What do you do? Kneel?

Kick the field goal instead of throwing to Moss watson in the end zone.This was necessary?

1-10-BUF 12 (10:26) (Shotgun) 38-K.Eckel left guard to BUF 9 for 3 yards (55-A.Crowell).

2-7-BUF 9 (9:48) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass short left to 44-H.Evans to BUF 3 for 6 yards (52-J.DiGiorgio, 55-A.Crowell). Dump pass, caught at BUF 10.

3-1-BUF 3 (9:00) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete short left to 81-R.Moss (33-J.Greer). Receiver and coverage 6 yds. into end zone.

4-1-BUF 3 (8:56) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass short right to 84-B.Watson for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Caught in rear right corner of end zone.

3-S.Gostkowski extra point is GOOD, Center-66-L.Paxton, Holder-6-C.Hanson.

NE 42 BUF 7 Plays: 12 Possession: 6:11