Jack White
Footballguy
I went with the Texans instead.
Thought about Cleveland, but just couldn't bring myself to do it.
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**Streaming Defense 2015** Week 15 - Playoffs: No time to get cute (1 Viewer)
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Thought about Cleveland, but just couldn't bring myself to do it.
timbrah_ho
Footballguy
Picked up the Chiefs DST hoping to play them through the playoffs but after a few key injuries and the way they looked against the NYJ I'm rethinking that plan. Probably roll with either Houston (@BUF, NE, @IND, @TEN) and/or Detroit (GB, @STL, @NO, SF) to close it out instead. Both units are playing solid and have good matchups that allow streaming each back and forth.
Did they play a double header this week?
If I were you, I'd probably still roll with the Chiefs. But I have Houston/Detroit in one league and agree they're a great pair the rest of the way. Next week is a bit iffy, though I'm getting to the point where I trust Houston in almost any match-up. Then you get Detrot @ STL, Houston @ IND and take your pick between two cake match-ups in Week 16.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Streaming defense is a fail method.
So who are people looking at this week? I think Chicago at home vs SF is probably the optimal pick, but I stupidly hesitated and got snaked on them. Here's what's left in my league (16 teams, no ST points, otherwise standard scoring):
- Tenn vs Jax: They've been solid, if unspectacular, for the past few weeks. Had a decent game in Jax a few weeks ago, and this one is home
- Jax @ Tenn: They've been a little more up and down, but have generally produced in good matchups
- Buffalo vs Hou: I feel like Buffalo is still getting by on their rep. Love their playoff schedule (they get the entire NFC East minus the Giants), but Houston has become a tough matchup.
- NYJ @ NYG: Another team getting by on its rep. In my league, where 10 points is generally the benchmark for a good game, they've had one double-digit performance since Week 2. Likely no Revis to cover OBJ
- Miami vs Bal: OK defense at home, but you're really just counting on Schaub keeping his pick-six streak going.
- Wash vs Dallas: Classic "resistible force vs movable object" match-up. You love anyone facing Cassel, but Washington's pass D is terrible, and they just lost Culliver for the season.
- Det vs GB: This one really intrigues me. Detroit is red hot lately, and Rodgers hasn't been playing well, but he's still Aaron Rodgers, and they're still the Detroit Lions, and do you really trust that history to reverse itself?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Solid choice most weeks ROS. When I picked them up to start last week
and compared them to DEN (my starter all season) I was surprised to find I liked them better in 4 of the then remaining 5 weeks.Last week we got a bit lucky, though. VG IRL but not elite FF wise. Their first TD of the year was timely.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I am rolling with Cincy again.Solid choice most weeks ROS. When I picked them up to start last week
Last week we got a bit lucky, though. VG IRL but not elite FF wise. Their first TD of the year was timely.
timbrah_ho
Footballguy
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
Ditto and about time! They actually were quite relevant in getting us the win this week as Gurley, Ingram, Hopkins, and Fitz did little this week. Thank goodness for the Brady to Gronk TD to clinch the victory. But if Cincy doesn't score that TD we lose.I am rolling with Cincy again.Solid choice most weeks ROS. When I picked them up to start last week
Last week we got a bit lucky, though. VG IRL but not elite FF wise. Their first TD of the year was timely.
Rolling with Cincy and the matchup again this week!
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
I dropped them in my 2 leagues. They were great to start the season but have flatlined. Sadly the teams I picked up were no better so I'll be searching weekly.
If you need something to hang on to, the Rams traditionally play their best against NFC West opponents.
Jack White
Footballguy
Right now I have HOU and STL. The matrix looks like this:
Week 13 - HOU at BUF
Week 14 - STL vs DET
Week 15 - STL vs TBB
Week 16 - HOU at TEN
I have just $3 FAAB left. If I wanted to bail on STL, I could look at WAS vs DAL for Week 13 and @PHI for Week 16.
But it might leave me vulnerable for Weeks 14 and 15 with HOU vs. NEP and @IND.
Week 13 - HOU at BUF
Week 14 - STL vs DET
Week 15 - STL vs TBB
Week 16 - HOU at TEN
I have just $3 FAAB left. If I wanted to bail on STL, I could look at WAS vs DAL for Week 13 and @PHI for Week 16.
But it might leave me vulnerable for Weeks 14 and 15 with HOU vs. NEP and @IND.
johnnyboy8102
Footballguy
KC didn't look like themselves when Houston went down. I am avoiding them this week and waiting to see how long Houston is out before I consider them for the playoffs.
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
Staying with the Texans, apart from week 14 against NE when i'll likely use the Lions vs Rams. I was nervous to use them against the Saints but rather than pick the better seeming match-up off the wire (Bucs against Colts), gave them a shot. They've been great the past month, no reason not to use them
Other than the NE game, I would just roll with Houston the rest of the way, even if Luck is back by Week 15. They've really become a top-flight D. I don't trust STL as far as Nick Foles can throw them.
TZMarkie
Footballguy
Denver owner here, but they have not been the same recently.
In fact they have had a massive dropoff.
They have SD in week 13, but then its much , much tougher.
I notice Detroit on the wire in all my leagues.
They are playing @ the pitiful NO Saints in week 15.
Week 16 they are @ Home vs. SF who should be in full on "mail it in mode" by week 16.
As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't get much better than this.
Anyone else thinking of snagging Detroit for the playoffs???
I would think of most that are still available, this would be one of the most attractive. (matchup wise anyway)
TZM
In fact they have had a massive dropoff.
They have SD in week 13, but then its much , much tougher.
I notice Detroit on the wire in all my leagues.
They are playing @ the pitiful NO Saints in week 15.
Week 16 they are @ Home vs. SF who should be in full on "mail it in mode" by week 16.
As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't get much better than this.
Anyone else thinking of snagging Detroit for the playoffs???
I would think of most that are still available, this would be one of the most attractive. (matchup wise anyway)
TZM
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
MIA favored at home vs. Schaub with an 80% chance of rain and 15-20MPH winds. Yes please.
Andrew74
Footballguy
I've been planning on riding Denver but am concerned about matchups. They've been an average DEF since the bye, but the KC game has really skewed their avg in my league. Detroit is on my wire - they do have a nice schedule in the playoffs (14-16) - @StL, @NO, SF.
Pearl Frumpkin
Footballguy
What about TB? Have been playing decent and their playoff schedule is pretty decent - NO, @STL, CHI.
packersfan
Footballguy
Which is offset by the fact Cassel is the QB. But on paper they definitely have a good shot when you consider how miserable Dallas has been without Romo this season.
The Bucs are looking good due to Ryan's poor play and turnovers. The Falcons are giving up fantasy production to opposing defenses pretty consistently at the moment. However, banking on a suspect defense to deliver is always risky.
I really like how the Texans are playing on D but right but just when you're prepared to give up on the Bills, Tyrod Taylor pulls a game out of his ### and they play well. I'm not sure how I feel about Houston this week on the road.
Chicago looks to be a prime option especially if you get production for points allowed. The 49ers can't score at all. Hard to see them putting up more than 17 points against any defense even with Gabbert playing better than he ever has before.
Those are the four I'm looking at this week and right now I have them ranked:
Washington
Chicago
Houston
Tampa Bay
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Van Dyman
Footballguy
TartanLion
Footballguy
Also a Denver owner looking at other options. Annoyingly was looking at Chiefs about 2-3 weeks ago, and Bengals this week, both got taken on waivers in those mentioned weeks where I just fell short of pulling the trigger due to having to stockpile RB punts.
Now it seems to be boiling down to Tampa or Detroit for weeks 15 and 16. I wouldn't mind Tampa week 15 @ STL and Detroit week 16 v SF. Really, given the ROS schedule Denver might almost have to make way off the roster to accommodate the better matchups at the business end.
Now it seems to be boiling down to Tampa or Detroit for weeks 15 and 16. I wouldn't mind Tampa week 15 @ STL and Detroit week 16 v SF. Really, given the ROS schedule Denver might almost have to make way off the roster to accommodate the better matchups at the business end.
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I'm rolling with them in the one league where I can stream (out of transactions in one league where I am 10-2 and in the playoffs no matter what and out of the playoffs in the 3rd league). I actually have KC and Seattle on the bench as well. Not a lot of folks that have that, but love their end of the season run:
13: Cincy @ Cleveland
14: KC vs SD
15:Seattle vs Cleveland
16: KC vs Cleveland
17: Cincy vs Baltimore (yes, I do play week 17 in this league)
3 games against Cleveland, KC @ home against SD (hopefully Houston is back) and Cincy @ home against Baltimore (hopefully a meaningful game).
In my other league, I have Houston and have come to consider them a must-start (except for next week vs NE, where I'll be subbing in Detroit). Short of that, I'm not going to overthink it. I had them on my bench the past two weeks vs NYJ and NO, and they came through in both. So of those options, I would go Houston and not look back.packersfan said:
And honestly, if there were no other options next weekend, I wouldn't be totally opposed to using them vs NE (or to put it another way, I certainly wouldn't drop them to pick up a spot start D). NE's weapons are severely limited, and you have to assume Watt will get to Brady a few times.
Remember, when in doubt, go with the best D available. That's Houston by a mile.
As someone who lives here (and will in fact be going to the game on Sunday), I wouldn't put too much stock in the weather. Rain down here could last five minutes, it could be on and off throughout the afternoon, you never really know.SameSongNDance said:
I think Miami is definitely a viable option, but don't fool yourself into thinking you're doing anything other than playing the match-up. Their D just isn't that good. One of the things that dissuaded me from starting them was the fact that I was starting Allen/Aiken with such confidence. Yes, Schaub is almost certainly good for a couple picks, but that's really all you can count on. Think of the Houston game earlier this year, where the Dolphins did get a pick-six, but also gave up a bunch of garbage-time points and ended up with just a so-so day fantasy-wise.
packersfan
Footballguy
Agree that Houston's D is the best of the four I listed. However, points allowed is a big part of the defensive scoring in my league. I just can't see the Niners scoring much at all against Chicago and plus the Bears have held their last four opponents (including Denver and Green Bay on the road) to under 20 points. In terms of points allowed I think the Bears are one of the safest defensive options this week and likely available in nearly every league right now. They also have multiple sacks in 3 of the last 4 and dropped Osweiler 5 times in Week 11. Their D is actually playing pretty well right now, certainly much improved over earlier in the season.
Yeah, the Bears are definitely a good option this week. Fangio has them playing much better (and if you believe in narratives, there's the revenge factor with him playing his old team). I'm kicking myself for hesitating on them in one league and getting snaked, forcing me to settle for Washington.
But one of my principles is, when in doubt, go with the better D. And I think Houston has become one of the top defenses in the league at this point.
Just my $0.02. It's your team, and as I always like to remind myself when faced with a streaming D dilemma, it's unlikely to make much of a difference in my match-up. (Of course, I told myself that a few years ago in my championship, and ended up losing by 7 with the Pats D scoring 20 on my bench. Not that I'm still bitter or anything.)
TZMarkie
Footballguy
Any notes from the guys that got to see the game tonight?
(specifically how did the Lion's D look?)
Its really hard to tell from the highlights I saw, but it seems like aside from a few fluke plays the Lion's D looked decent.
Seriously considering them for the playoffs............and any help is appreciated.
TZM
(specifically how did the Lion's D look?)
Its really hard to tell from the highlights I saw, but it seems like aside from a few fluke plays the Lion's D looked decent.
Seriously considering them for the playoffs............and any help is appreciated.
TZM
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
My only regret with Cincy is I wish this week meant more. I have a good natured rivalry with this week's opponent (we were both founding members) but he's out of it and I just need to maintain a 70 point lead for the #1 seed.
I'm holding onto Denver but that's partly because I have used 30 of my max 32 transactions. Wondering if I will play them again.
Bengals
@CLE
PIT
@SF
@DEN
Broncos
@SD
OAK
@PIT
CIN
Week 14 is a bye. I figure I gotta leave one move for a kicker injury or some other flukey event. Not crazy about Week 16, but options on the WW aren't attractive.
MIN MIA SF NYG ATL TEN IND WAS TB DAL CLE OAK SD NO JAX
Meh. Bengals it is.
I'm rolling with WAS at vs. DAL despite culliver being out (Romo-less Cowboys are enough for me and their def has been decent of late...plus they have the added incentive to kick a rival while down and solidify their first place standing in the Division). But then I grabbed Det for weeks 14-16. They have been playing a lot better (despite the Hail Mary) and I love their matchups to close out the season.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
He's mentioned it before. Used to post on another board and the user name was not prevelant (or even able to be seen), so most users on there signed their initials. Habit.
Insein
Footballguy
TZMarkie
Footballguy
I noticed a pattern with this guy kOOk weeks ago.
Should have put him on ignore then, but I tend to get stubborn with giving people chances. Oh well.
Apparently he would rather #####,whine or ask needless irritating questions, stir the pot and cause problems instead of contributing actual useful information in threads.
I didn't get to watch the game last night, but I did see the last 3 minutes.
From the snippets I have seen, barring a few fluke plays the Lion's D actually looked decent, and had been improving the last few weeks.
I really love their fantasy playoff schedule, and think it may well be the "one to get" thats flying under the radar.
Denver has basically fallen back down to Earth, and is essentially just like starting any "random waiver wire" defense and I have just about lost all faith.
(Denver has Pitt and Cincy in weeks 15-16) I am not liking that much at all.
I know they are still apt to have a strong week, but I think the Lion's cake schedule may well nudge them ahead.
HOWEVER- I do have my concern about the Lions "mailing it in".
Note the Lions season is now pretty much lost, and I think the likelihood is that some of those guys may not give 100% now. The embarrassing loss last night on the final play certainly doesn't help matters.
The coaching may well also be on the hot seat too.
It really is a recipe for disaster.
Fortunately we have another week to watch and see, so I guess its something to monitor.
If anyone has any other suggestions to another defense that has a very low ownership percentage and can make a case with a great schedule, then I am all ears.
TZM
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Thanks for actually answering the simple question, sans vitriol. Weird how that offended so many. Also weird is the reasoning to keep signing.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
They did look pretty good, but I'm not sure how much stock to put in it, considering the disarray of the Packers o line.I noticed a pattern with this guy kOOk weeks ago.
Should have put him on ignore then, but I tend to get stubborn with giving people chances. Oh well.
Apparently he would rather #####,whine or ask needless irritating questions, stir the pot and cause problems instead of contributing actual useful information in threads.
I didn't get to watch the game last night, but I did see the last 3 minutes.
From the snippets I have seen, barring a few fluke plays the Lion's D actually looked decent, and had been improving the last few weeks.
I really love their fantasy playoff schedule, and think it may well be the "one to get" thats flying under the radar.
Denver has basically fallen back down to Earth, and is essentially just like starting any "random waiver wire" defense and I have just about lost all faith.
(Denver has Pitt and Cincy in weeks 15-16) I am not liking that much at all.
I know they are still apt to have a strong week, but I think the Lion's cake schedule may well nudge them ahead.
HOWEVER- I do have my concern about the Lions "mailing it in".
Note the Lions season is now pretty much lost, and I think the likelihood is that some of those guys may not give 100% now. The embarrassing loss last night on the final play certainly doesn't help matters.
The coaching may well also be on the hot seat too.
It really is a recipe for disaster.
Fortunately we have another week to watch and see, so I guess its something to monitor.
If anyone has any other suggestions to another defense that has a very low ownership percentage and can make a case with a great schedule, then I am all ears.
TZM
Van Dyman
Footballguy
I thought they looked good for stretches of the game. A lesser QB may have crumbled, maybe. I thought they looked more aggressive in the first half. Not sure if they got a little conservative or GB fixed up their protections a little bit. In the end, the TE made a good catch on the hail mary play, but DET really didn't defend it very well.
Mixed bag, but i think DET has the talent, coaching, and potential to outplay and potentially dominate some weaker teams, and their schedule serves it up. The problem, of course, is they tend to fail when it counts the most. I love their upside but would never be comfortable trusting them with anything of value on the line.
