"Suck for ______" ...... who? (1 Viewer)

[Raider Nation]

Nothing has the same ring as "Suck for Luck"...

The TOP-20 picks are set as of this edit.

1. Chiefs (2-14)

2. Jaguars (2-14)

3. Raiders (4-12)

4. Eagles (4-12)

5. Lions (4-12)

6. Browns (5-11)

7. Cardinals (5-11)

8. Bills (6-10)

9. Jets (6-10)

10. Titans (6-10)

11. Chargers (7-9)

12. Dolphins (7-9)

13. Buccaneers (7-9)

14. Panthers (7-9)

15. Saints (7-9)

16. Rams (7-8-1)

17. Steelers (8-8)

18. Cowboys (8-8)

19. Giants (9-7)

20. Bears (10-6)

 

[AYBABTUS]

Fall flat for Matt.

 

[Raider Nation]

Fall flat for Matt.

ETA: I'll incorporate the most clever one into the thread title.This is the leader in the clubhouse by default.

 

[RUSF18]

I do like Barkley but consider it a major red flag when QBs at power schools struggle so mightily the first time their OL gets abused. These guys get used to having all day to throw, then they get to the NFL when its a totally different ballgame. I remember Brian Brohm at Louisville being a good example of this. Went 3 years of barely facing pressure, was looking like a possible #1 pick, and got exposed in one game against Rutgers.

 

[footballnerd]

Barkley Sucks

 

[Raider Nation]

I've heard some rumblings during the past week about West Virginia's Geno Smith possibly challenging for the #1 overall pick. He's a nice player, but he couldn't possibly rise that high, could he? Of course, I said the exact same thing about Griffin as late as last November, so who knows. Smith can be wildly inaccurate at times, but I suppose that can be coached up.

 

[Raider Nation]

I do like Barkley but consider it a major red flag when QBs at power schools struggle so mightily the first time their OL gets abused. These guys get used to having all day to throw, then they get to the NFL when its a totally different ballgame. I remember Brian Brohm at Louisville being a good example of this. Went 3 years of barely facing pressure, was looking like a possible #1 pick, and got exposed in one game against Rutgers.

Not unfair.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

not a good year for the #1 slot....

no need to suck for anyone this year

 

[Raider Nation]

not a good year for the #1 slot.

Of course not. So take a wild guess which team will end up with the pick. Whomever we select is sure to be an unmitigated disaster.Man, did the Colts and Skins score this year or what? Two guys who would go 1.01 most years.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

not a good year for the #1 slot.

Of course not. So take a wild guess which team will end up with the pick. Whomever we select is sure to be an unmitigated disaster.

Man, did the Colts and Skins score this year or what? Two guys who would go 1.01 most years.

seriously.... Those two QBs + TRich ... Doesn't happen very often

Will be interesting to see who emerges, any non QBs that could emerge?

My guess for worst team would be the Jaguars or Cleveland

 

[RustyFA4]

I really think the Vikings end up with the first pick. Don't count them out yet but I'm sure they will mess it up.

 

[Donnybrook]

Blowing for Barkley has a better ring to it.

I can't disregard the Stafford game. There is more parity in the NFL than college. He will facing superior competition almost every week in the NFL.

 

[Beerguzzler]

Barkley will be the latest USC QB bust. He's just not that good. He's not even on Sanchez's level, which is pretty damn low.

 

[Raider Nation]

I can't disregard the Stanford game. There is more parity in the NFL than college. He will facing superior competition almost every week in the NFL.

Gotta give the kid a bit of a break here. Saturday was the first time he finished under 50 percent passing in a game since his freshman year. Also, you'd also like to think he'll get some capable pass blocking on the team he ends up with. If he has three guys in his face every time he drops back (like with Gabbert last year), that can affect a young player badly. Here are the things I hear about Barkley: - Not the classic height or laser arm you'd typically see in a #1 overall pick- Throws well on the run and expertly looks safeties off- Doesn't face elite defenses every week, like in the SEC- Great leadership ability- Great accuracyIs any of that untrue? Would you add anything?

 

[therush]

I can't disregard the Stanford game. There is more parity in the NFL than college. He will facing superior competition almost every week in the NFL.

Gotta give the kid a bit of a break here. Saturday was the first time he finished under 50 percent passing in a game since his freshman year. Also, you'd also like to think he'll get some capable pass blocking on the team he ends up with. If he has three guys in his face every time he drops back (like with Gabbert last year), that can affect a young player badly. Here are the things I hear about Barkley: - Not the classic height or laser arm you'd typically see in a #1 overall pick- Throws well on the run and expertly looks safeties off- Doesn't face elite defenses every week, like in the SEC- Great leadership ability- Great accuracyIs any of that untrue? Would you add anything?

Steve Young has a lot of those same pros/cons.Not saying he'll be the next Steve Young by any stretch but couldn't resist.

 

[Raider Nation]

I can't disregard the Stanford game. There is more parity in the NFL than college. He will facing superior competition almost every week in the NFL.

Gotta give the kid a bit of a break here. Saturday was the first time he finished under 50 percent passing in a game since his freshman year. Also, you'd also like to think he'll get some capable pass blocking on the team he ends up with. If he has three guys in his face every time he drops back (like with Gabbert last year), that can affect a young player badly. Here are the things I hear about Barkley: - Not the classic height or laser arm you'd typically see in a #1 overall pick- Throws well on the run and expertly looks safeties off- Doesn't face elite defenses every week, like in the SEC- Great leadership ability- Great accuracyIs any of that untrue? Would you add anything?

Steve Young has a lot of those same pros/cons.Not saying he'll be the next Steve Young by any stretch but couldn't resist.

Hell, I'll take him on the leadership intangible alone. Anything beats watching Palmer sleepwalk through games.

 

[azgroover]

Barkley will be the latest USC QB bust. He's just not that good. He's not even on Sanchez's level, which is pretty damn low.

I hated Sanchez going in the first round, but at least he has some arm strength. Just seems that most of Barkley's yardage comes from his coach trying to get him a Heisman and his elite WRs doing work on screen passes.

 

[Sweet Love]

I do like Barkley but consider it a major red flag when QBs at power schools struggle so mightily the first time their OL gets abused. These guys get used to having all day to throw, then they get to the NFL when its a totally different ballgame. I remember Brian Brohm at Louisville being a good example of this. Went 3 years of barely facing pressure, was looking like a possible #1 pick, and got exposed in one game against Rutgers.

Now imagine if on top of all that, Schiano bum rushed him when he was going down on one knee...that's how we play in Dirty Jersey.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

"Suck for Barkley" doesn't quite have the same ring as "Suck for Luck"...

The race for 1.01 begins

Browns 0-2

Chiefs 0-2

Jaguars 0-2

Raiders 0-2

Saints 0-2 (Don't need a QB)

Titans 0-2

I would caution everyone to not judge Barkley on the Stanford game this past Saturday. His O-line got absolutely abused the entire evening. I'm not saying he's the sure-fire #1, but don't make this last game the reason why.

The Titans have some major issues. A far overrated offense and a pathetic defense with absolutely zero speed. They are on a collision course for something truly awful.

 

[Donnybrook]

I can't disregard the Stanford game. There is more parity in the NFL than college. He will facing superior competition almost every week in the NFL.

Gotta give the kid a bit of a break here. Saturday was the first time he finished under 50 percent passing in a game since his freshman year. Also, you'd also like to think he'll get some capable pass blocking on the team he ends up with. If he has three guys in his face every time he drops back (like with Gabbert last year), that can affect a young player badly. Here are the things I hear about Barkley: - Not the classic height or laser arm you'd typically see in a #1 overall pick- Throws well on the run and expertly looks safeties off- Doesn't face elite defenses every week, like in the SEC- Great leadership ability- Great accuracyIs any of that untrue? Would you add anything?

He played very well against Stanford last season. He showed a lot of poise in that game. I definitely don't think he will be a bust but I don't think he is all that special either.

 

[Chazzhawk]

Half those teams might not take a qb, (Titans, Browns, Saints, and Jags). I think it is too early to suck for anyone in the draft. Prospects like Luck only come around once every 10+ years, not every year.

 

[bagger]

"Suck for Barkley" doesn't quite have the same ring as "Suck for Luck"...

The race for 1.01 begins

Browns 0-2

Chiefs 0-2

Jaguars 0-2

Raiders 0-2

Saints 0-2 (Don't need a QB)

Titans 0-2

I would caution everyone to not judge Barkley on the Stanford game this past Saturday. His O-line got absolutely abused the entire evening. I'm not saying he's the sure-fire #1, but don't make this last game the reason why.

as someone who has seen every one of his games, what concerns me is that he has not really progressed much from his freshman year in termsof making good reads.i feel he has plateaued with talents so i would be very careful expecting big things.

you are right, the o line was a mess on saturday, but i have bigger concerns where people like foles and luck looked better than him every year in the pac 12.

i hope i am wrong, but i dont think i am.

 

[Shawn]

"Suck for Barkley" doesn't quite have the same ring as "Suck for Luck"...

The race for 1.01 begins

Browns 0-2

Chiefs 0-2

Jaguars 0-2

Raiders 0-2

Saints 0-2 (Don't need a QB)

Titans 0-2(Don't need a QB, More like a Chris Johnson Replacement.)

I would caution everyone to not judge Barkley on the Stanford game this past Saturday. His O-line got absolutely abused the entire evening. I'm not saying he's the sure-fire #1, but don't make this last game the reason why.

as someone who has seen every one of his games, what concerns me is that he has not really progressed much from his freshman year in termsof making good reads.i feel he has plateaued with talents so i would be very careful expecting big things.

you are right, the o line was a mess on saturday, but i have bigger concerns where people like foles and luck looked better than him every year in the pac 12.

i hope i am wrong, but i dont think i am.

 

[bulger2holt]

Barkley reminds me of Clausen and Colt McCoy for some reason.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Barkley will be the latest USC QB bust. He's just not that good. He's not even on Sanchez's level, which is pretty damn low.

I'm starting to think this as well at this point. Comparing Sanchez's and Barkley's junior seasons:

             SEASON	 CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS     YPA	LNG	TD	INT	RATMatt Barkley  2011	 308	446	69.1	3528    7.91	82	39	 7	161.2Mark Sanchez  2008	 241	366	65.8	3207    8.8	63	34	 10	164.6

Barkley has a bit of a better TD/INT ratio, but Sanchez had a way higher yards per attempt; and that's despite Barkley having two 1st round NFL WRs to throw to in Robert Woods and Marquise Lee, whereas Sanchez was throwing to two 3rd rounders in Patrick Turner and Damian Williams. Not to mention 2008 was Sanchez's first season where he started more than 3 games, whereas Barkley had already started 2 full seasons before his junior season. The season is still young and Barkley can still conceivably improve a lot before the year ends, but at this point he certainly doesn't look like someone deserving of the #1 overall selection.

 

[SSOG]

not a good year for the #1 slot.

Of course not. So take a wild guess which team will end up with the pick. Whomever we select is sure to be an unmitigated disaster.

Man, did the Colts and SkinsRams score this year or what? Two guys who would go 1.01 most years.

Fixed. St. Louis was the team that lucked out into getting the #2 in the rare season when there were two franchise-defining signal callers. Washington had to pay out the nose to wind up with Griffin- two firsts and a high second to move up 4 slots.ETA: and the early returns suggest that Griffin was worth every penny.

 

[Deamon]

"Suck for Barkley" doesn't quite have the same ring as "Suck for Luck"...

The race for 1.01 begins

Browns 0-2

Chiefs 0-2

Jaguars 0-2

Raiders 0-2

Saints 0-2 (Don't need a QB)

Titans 0-2

I would caution everyone to not judge Barkley on the Stanford game this past Saturday. His O-line got absolutely abused the entire evening. I'm not saying he's the sure-fire #1, but don't make this last game the reason why.

Thanks for the thread. I was just talking to a friend about this the other day and wondering why I was thinking about it so early. In this day and age I think a QB very well could go number one more years then not. Look at the 10 rookie and sophmore qbs starting in the nfl this year... 10! That being said, not sure all those teams would take a qb. Yes, even if you have weeden, locker, gabbert, you draft a guy like luck regardless... but Barkley isn't on that level. I still think he goes number 1 though, via a trade if necessary.As for your teams, I don't see the titans or browns going for him with them just having taken locker and weeden as the future. I actually think NO might be a good spot (rodgers/favre), but no way they finish last. Leaves us with Chiefs, Jags, Raiders. Jags may keep going with gabbert if he has a good year. I think he goes number 1 overall to Oakland or KC. Of course its near impossible to predict now, but its fun to guess. Oakland would be the perfect team as they seem to be the most QB needy team and he could even play one year behind palmer if need be.

 

[Raider Nation]

not a good year for the #1 slot.

Of course not. So take a wild guess which team will end up with the pick. Whomever we select is sure to be an unmitigated disaster.

Man, did the Colts and SkinsRams score this year or what? Two guys who would go 1.01 most years.

Fixed. St. Louis was the team that lucked out into getting the #2 in the rare season when there were two franchise-defining signal callers. Washington had to pay out the nose to wind up with Griffin- two firsts and a high second to move up 4 slots.ETA: and the early returns suggest that Griffin was worth every penny.

I'm not sure why my statement needed fixing. The Colts and Skins scored, no matter how they did it.

 

[bonesman]

Fall flat for Matt.

Dang, that's hard to top.Hardly win for that Barkley kid?

 

[The Duff Man]

Bow out for Barkley

Can also consider

Bail out

Back out

Backtrack

Mail it in for Matt

Or

Play like shat for...

Throw in the hat for...

Hit the mat for Matt

 

[SSOG]

I'm not sure why my statement needed fixing. The Colts and Skins scored, no matter how they did it.

Well, one team did it by virtue of being one of the worst teams in the league, and the other team did it by virtue of also being one of the worst teams in the league... and chipping in three more top-40 draft picks, resulting in what was probably the largest expenditure in terms of draft value for a single player in NFL draft history. The first sounds like the equivalent of finding a $500,000 painting for sale for $5 at a garage sale, and the second sounds more like buying a $500,000 painting for $350,000 at an estate auction. Meanwhile, the Rams were the guys who bought that painting for $5 at a different garage sale and sold it for $350,000 at the estate auction. Our aside aside, I agree with the sentiment that Barkley really doesn't impress me as much as a prospect. He's playing with a huge, huge talent advantage every single week, and he's not doing as much with it as you'd expect a true elite QB prospect to do. Say what you will about Matt Leinart, but at least he took his talent advantage and *dominated* with it. Leinart averaged a yard more per attempt than Barkley. He averaged over a yard and a half more in AY/A. Matt Barkley is putting up the kind of YPA stats you'd expect from a Matt Ryan or a Jay Cutler- top prospects on untalented teams- not the kind of numbers you'd expect from an actual top prospect throwing to two of the top 5 receivers in all of college football.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

Bow out for BarkleyCan also considerBail outBack outBacktrackMail it in for MattOrPlay like shat for...Throw in the hat for...Hit the mat for Matt

Are you a prefessional? LOL

 

[bulger2holt]

suck a fatty for Matty

 

[Raider Nation]

Nobody is going to intentionally suck for the top pick. Some of these teams will be really good at losing without even trying. But the Colts won a couple of games down the stretch last year when it wasn't in their best interest to do so.

I'm going to hold off on an *OFFICIAL* thread nickname until we get a clearer picture about who the #1 pick will be.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

"Suck for Barkley" doesn't quite have the same ring as "Suck for Luck"...

That's because it's "Bone for Barkley".

 

[Jewell]

Go Limp for the Trojan Man

 

[JAA]

I've heard some rumblings during the past week about West Virginia's Geno Smith possibly challenging for the #1 overall pick. He's a nice player, but he couldn't possibly rise that high, could he? Of course, I said the exact same thing about Griffin as late as last November, so who knows. Smith can be wildly inaccurate at times, but I suppose that can be coached up.

Have you watched Geno play?

 

[JAA]

I can't disregard the Stanford game. There is more parity in the NFL than college. He will facing superior competition almost every week in the NFL.

Gotta give the kid a bit of a break here. Saturday was the first time he finished under 50 percent passing in a game since his freshman year. Also, you'd also like to think he'll get some capable pass blocking on the team he ends up with. If he has three guys in his face every time he drops back (like with Gabbert last year), that can affect a young player badly. Here are the things I hear about Barkley: - Not the classic height or laser arm you'd typically see in a #1 overall pick- Throws well on the run and expertly looks safeties off- Doesn't face elite defenses every week, like in the SEC- Great leadership ability- Great accuracyIs any of that untrue? Would you add anything?

What I dont understand is how he isnt blowing teams out with the talent he is surrounded with. His WRs are sickee

 

[sharptongued1]

I've heard some rumblings during the past week about West Virginia's Geno Smith possibly challenging for the #1 overall pick. He's a nice player, but he couldn't possibly rise that high, could he? Of course, I said the exact same thing about Griffin as late as last November, so who knows. Smith can be wildly inaccurate at times, but I suppose that can be coached up.

Even with the poor game he had last week, I still like what I see in Logan Thomas. Kid reminds me of Roethlisberger. Well, except for the whole rape thing...

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Gotta give the kid a bit of a break here. Saturday was the first time he finished under 50 percent passing in a game since his freshman year.

That's not really saying anything in college, especially for a QB from a big school.Heck, even Tebow only threw under 50% once and that was against LSU in his first year as a starter. JaMarcus only did it twice, both in his first year as a starter.

 

[MAC_32]

I've heard some rumblings during the past week about West Virginia's Geno Smith possibly challenging for the #1 overall pick. He's a nice player, but he couldn't possibly rise that high, could he? Of course, I said the exact same thing about Griffin as late as last November, so who knows. Smith can be wildly inaccurate at times, but I suppose that can be coached up.

He was my 2nd favorite player to watch coming into the year, Logan Thomas was a close 3rd , obviously the early returns are nice but really need to see him in a competitive environment. I'm optimistic though, he developed a lot last year after the LSU game (in which he didn't play badly) and based on the video game numbers being put up (same # of TD's as incompletions?!) I'm assuming it's more of the same.Big, fast, strong arm, deadly accurate, good decision maker, throws first but can run. Not much to even possibly dislike. Haven't read anything bad about anything from the neck up, which is why he's hands down above Bray in my book - if he does have some head issues that would change everything though.

 

[RUSF18]

I do like Barkley but consider it a major red flag when QBs at power schools struggle so mightily the first time their OL gets abused. These guys get used to having all day to throw, then they get to the NFL when its a totally different ballgame. I remember Brian Brohm at Louisville being a good example of this. Went 3 years of barely facing pressure, was looking like a possible #1 pick, and got exposed in one game against Rutgers.

Now imagine if on top of all that, Schiano bum rushed him when he was going down on one knee...that's how we play in Dirty Jersey.

By the end of that game, the kid was so shell-shocked that all Eric Foster needed to do was bark at him and Brohm would have handed him the ball.

 

[matttyl]

Implosion for the Trojan?

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Welcome Matt

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Scouting and mock draft sites have one of the early front runners for the #1 pick as Barkevious Mingo OLB/DE from LSU.

Make up a saying for THAT name.

 

[Shutout]

"Shat for Matt"

I could see the Raiders taking him if it comes to it. One USC guy grooming another. the proximity of the schools (I tend to think proximity often leads teams to hear more noise of what is going on with talents that are more local). Kinda makes sense to me.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Suck starkly for Matt Barkley.

 

[pollardsvision]

I've heard some rumblings during the past week about West Virginia's Geno Smith possibly challenging for the #1 overall pick. He's a nice player, but he couldn't possibly rise that high, could he? Of course, I said the exact same thing about Griffin as late as last November, so who knows. Smith can be wildly inaccurate at times, but I suppose that can be coached up.

Even with the poor game he had last week, I still like what I see in Logan Thomas. Kid reminds me of Roethlisberger. Well, except for the whole rape thing...

I like the kid, but he's got a long way to go. Physically, he's pretty much a slightly less athletic Cam Newton, but he just looks terribly inaccurate at times.Logan will certainly impress at the combine and if the Raiders get the #1 pick, I wouldn't be shocked to see him go there. I'd think he he'd need a monster back half of the season for any other team to consider it though.

 

[pollardsvision]

Welcome Matt

I like this one.Which team's laying out the 'Welcome Matt' this season?

 

[JuniorNB]

Barkley will be the latest USC QB bust. He's just not that good. He's not even on Sanchez's level, which is pretty damn low.

This.USC quarterbacks aren't what they are cracked up to be coming out of college.