Suh Sweeps Rookie of the Year (1 Viewer)

[Ilov80s]

Suh is a better player than Bradford and it isn't even close!

Yeah, DT's are so much more important than QB's. Suh's 3 tackles per game would have helped the Rams go from 1-15 to 7-9 like Bradford did. Dolt.

I agree. In no way did Suh's presence on that line allow a collection of castoffs on the D-Line and at CB to post career years. There is absolutely no way that he havoc he created in any way affected their play.

That is like looking at Bradford's stats and saying he is not good because he was ranked 25th for QB's. His presence can't be seen by stats alone. He brought confidence to the entire team. The Rams were near the top in the league in drops. Plus, their WR's are basically street f/a's. People like to say how important Suh is to the Lion's D, but have no clue about Bradford's importance.

I didn't see anyone here saying Bradford is not good. When people say Bradford played great, they preface it with, "for a rookie." When people said Suh was great, it comes with out conditions. No doubt tho that Bradford was the a fine pick of the Rams.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Both of the top 2 picks played well this season. I think Suh should have won but there is a lot of unfair things being tossed around here IMO.

People are saying Bradford wasn't a top QB and Suh was top at his position, so Suh over Bradford so there.

Come on, do people really think it's the same learning curve to play QB as it is Dline? When you consider the talent level that Bradford had around him, the losing his team has been going through the past several seasons and the success they did have this year, he played outstanding. If you're a Rams fan, you have to like what you saw this past year.

Everything I said about Bradford has nothing to do with Suh. Suh dominated most of the season, he too helped turn around a defense that's been horrid for years and when they played head to head this year, the Lions won 44-6.......advantage Suh.

The right guy won but Rams fans shouldn't be worried about that. Barry Sanders won rookie of the year over Troy Aikman when Barry was drafted 3rd and Aikman 1st overall and Aikman went on to win 3 SB's and Barry 0. You tell me if Aikman would trade any of those rings for the rookie of the year award.

Don't all those same points apply to Detroit?

Yes it does, but that doesn't take away from the fact it also applies to Bradford. Bradford had a very fine season, played a more difficult position for a rookie but in the end, Suh could be one of the best defenders in the NFL in a couple years. Lucky for the Lions the Rams needed a QB because what would the Lions have done if the Rams drafted Suh, certainly not draft Bradford. They probably would have went McCoy and although he's a solid player, I don't think he's to the caliber Suh is and will turn out to be.

 

[FUBAR]

Suh is a better player than Bradford and it isn't even close!

Yeah, DT's are so much more important than QB0's. Suh's 3 tackles per game would have helped the Rams go from 1-15 to 7-9 like Bradford did. Dolt.

Right. Suh only helped the Lions go from 2-14 to 6-10. In a division that actually had a team with a winning record and two playoff teams.

 

[Bri]

Like honestly.....What type of rookie DT gets ten sacks his rookie year? Thats insane.

Just off the top of my head........Jevon Kearse, Reggie White, Dwight Freeney, SImeon Rice, Leslie O'Neal, Julius Peppers, Charles Haley, Mark Anderson, Keith Millard, Darren Howard, Kevin Williams, Greg Townsend, Dana Stubblefield, Anthony Smith, Garin Veris, Chris Mims, Burt Grossman, Hugh Douglas, and Santana Dotson, plus Carlos Dunlap, Elvis Dumervil, and Vonnie Holliday who all had 8+ sacks in partial seasons.

Most of those guys are DE's, not DT's... Huge difference.

lol...thats a blatantly ridiculous comment....

how so?

 

[Mr. Retukes]

My point is that there have been many rookie D-lineman who got 10 sacks. It's not that rare. You want to bust me for including Defensive Ends, fine. There were still at least 3 other rookies who got 10 sacks while playing exclusively at DT, plus 2 other rookies who did it while splitting time between DT and DE.

And there were probably several other rookie DTs who got 10 sacks prior to 1982 (records weren't kept before then).

Ergo, not as "insane" as the OP was making it sound.

 

[Gopher State]

Like honestly.....What type of rookie DT gets ten sacks his rookie year? Thats insane.

Just off the top of my head........Jevon Kearse, Reggie White, Dwight Freeney, SImeon Rice, Leslie O'Neal, Julius Peppers, Charles Haley, Mark Anderson, Keith Millard, Darren Howard, Kevin Williams, Greg Townsend, Dana Stubblefield, Anthony Smith, Garin Veris, Chris Mims, Burt Grossman, Hugh Douglas, and Santana Dotson, plus Carlos Dunlap, Elvis Dumervil, and Vonnie Holliday who all had 8+ sacks in partial seasons.

Suh is good but he never be in the same class as most of the above players.

 

[billymays]

Like honestly.....What type of rookie DT gets ten sacks his rookie year? Thats insane.

Just off the top of my head........Jevon Kearse, Reggie White, Dwight Freeney, SImeon Rice, Leslie O'Neal, Julius Peppers, Charles Haley, Mark Anderson, Keith Millard, Darren Howard, Kevin Williams, Greg Townsend, Dana Stubblefield, Anthony Smith, Garin Veris, Chris Mims, Burt Grossman, Hugh Douglas, and Santana Dotson, plus Carlos Dunlap, Elvis Dumervil, and Vonnie Holliday who all had 8+ sacks in partial seasons.

Suh is good but he never be in the same class as most of the above players.

correct.....because he played DT not DE.

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

Like honestly.....What type of rookie DT gets ten sacks his rookie year? Thats insane.

Just off the top of my head........Jevon Kearse, Reggie White, Dwight Freeney, SImeon Rice, Leslie O'Neal, Julius Peppers, Charles Haley, Mark Anderson, Keith Millard, Darren Howard, Kevin Williams, Greg Townsend, Dana Stubblefield, Anthony Smith, Garin Veris, Chris Mims, Burt Grossman, Hugh Douglas, and Santana Dotson, plus Carlos Dunlap, Elvis Dumervil, and Vonnie Holliday who all had 8+ sacks in partial seasons.

Suh is good but he never be in the same class as most of the above players.

I hope you are joking.

 

[FUBAR]

Like honestly.....What type of rookie DT gets ten sacks his rookie year? Thats insane.

Just off the top of my head........Jevon Kearse, Reggie White, Dwight Freeney, SImeon Rice, Leslie O'Neal, Julius Peppers, Charles Haley, Mark Anderson, Keith Millard, Darren Howard, Kevin Williams, Greg Townsend, Dana Stubblefield, Anthony Smith, Garin Veris, Chris Mims, Burt Grossman, Hugh Douglas, and Santana Dotson, plus Carlos Dunlap, Elvis Dumervil, and Vonnie Holliday who all had 8+ sacks in partial seasons.

Suh is good but he never be in the same class as most of the above players.

He's practically in the same class as Kevin Williams already.

 

[Ilov80s]

My point is that there have been many rookie D-lineman who got 10 sacks. It's not that rare. You want to bust me for including Defensive Ends, fine. There were still at least 3 other rookies who got 10 sacks while playing exclusively at DT, plus 2 other rookies who did it while splitting time between DT and DE.

And there were probably several other rookie DTs who got 10 sacks prior to 1982 (records weren't kept before then).

Ergo, not as "insane" as the OP was making it sound.

It is pretty rare for a DT of any experience to get 10+ sacks. Look at the DT on that list and see how many times they got 10 sacks in their careers. Kevin Williams- 1x

Santana Dotson- 1x

Dana Stublefield- 2x

Keith Millard- 3x

No DT over the last 5 years has had more sacks than Suh did in 2010.

 

[mcintyre1]

My point is that there have been many rookie D-lineman who got 10 sacks. It's not that rare. You want to bust me for including Defensive Ends, fine. There were still at least 3 other rookies who got 10 sacks while playing exclusively at DT, plus 2 other rookies who did it while splitting time between DT and DE.

And there were probably several other rookie DTs who got 10 sacks prior to 1982 (records weren't kept before then).

Ergo, not as "insane" as the OP was making it sound.

Bradford only had 63 yards and 1 TD on the ground, and ZERO receiving yards. He barely compares to other rookie offensive skill position players like Mike Williams or Lagarette Blount....

See how ridiculous that sounds? You can't compare stats across positions. DT and DE are not the same position, and cannot be lumped together as "defensive lineman." There are different physical skill sets, different mental skill sets, and different objectives between the positions.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

See how ridiculous that sounds? You can't compare stats across positions. DT and DE are not the same position, and cannot be lumped together as "defensive lineman." There are different physical skill sets, different mental skill sets, and different objectives between the positions.

Thanks for joining the thread.

 

[FUBAR]

My point is that there have been many rookie D-lineman who got 10 sacks. It's not that rare. You want to bust me for including Defensive Ends, fine. There were still at least 3 other rookies who got 10 sacks while playing exclusively at DT, plus 2 other rookies who did it while splitting time between DT and DE.

And there were probably several other rookie DTs who got 10 sacks prior to 1982 (records weren't kept before then).

Ergo, not as "insane" as the OP was making it sound.

Bradford only had 63 yards and 1 TD on the ground, and ZERO receiving yards. He barely compares to other rookie offensive skill position players like Mike Williams or Lagarette Blount....

See how ridiculous that sounds? You can't compare stats across positions. DT and DE are not the same position, and cannot be lumped together as "defensive lineman." There are different physical skill sets, different mental skill sets, and different objectives between the positions.

It's also 73 less yards than Colt McCoy ran for. And Colt even had 13 yards receiving!

 

[mcintyre1]

See how ridiculous that sounds? You can't compare stats across positions. DT and DE are not the same position, and cannot be lumped together as "defensive lineman." There are different physical skill sets, different mental skill sets, and different objectives between the positions.

Thanks for joining the thread.

When did I ever try to say Suh deserved it over Bradford? I've just been pointing out your comically bad comparison used to devalue Suh's immense accomplishments for a first year DT.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

See how ridiculous that sounds? You can't compare stats across positions. DT and DE are not the same position, and cannot be lumped together as "defensive lineman." There are different physical skill sets, different mental skill sets, and different objectives between the positions.

Thanks for joining the thread.

When did I ever try to say Suh deserved it over Bradford? I've just been pointing out your comically bad comparison used to devalue Suh's immense accomplishments for a first year DT.

And I was just pointing out that you were acting like someone who had just joined the thread.

 

[CalBear]

Well deserved, and incredible to see a Detroit Lions pick that actually looks good.

Calvin Johnson down?

Calvin Johnson looks good, as a player. He doesn't look good as a draft pick, coming onto a bad team with a 35-year-old Jon Kitna at QB, and two other first-round WR picks still on the roster. Two years after that pick, the team went 0-16.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Well deserved, and incredible to see a Detroit Lions pick that actually looks good.

Calvin Johnson down?

Calvin Johnson looks good, as a player. He doesn't look good as a draft pick, coming onto a bad team with a 35-year-old Jon Kitna at QB, and two other first-round WR picks still on the roster. Two years after that pick, the team went 0-16.

I agree Cal and I don't. What Matt Millen did there, choosing all those WR's in the top 10 was absolutely ridiculous. With that said, those two prior poor picks by Detroit in turn doesn't make the Calvin Johnson selection a poor one. The only way a team was getting Calvin Johnson on their team was taking him very early as he was obviously a monster WR coming out of G. Tech.That pick was solid. I agree though that the way they went about all the surrounding picks of Johnson as well as players currently on that team showed us all the Lions had no plan or vision under Millen.

 

[Ilov80s]

Well deserved, and incredible to see a Detroit Lions pick that actually looks good.

Calvin Johnson down?

Calvin Johnson looks good, as a player. He doesn't look good as a draft pick, coming onto a bad team with a 35-year-old Jon Kitna at QB, and two other first-round WR picks still on the roster. Two years after that pick, the team went 0-16.

Calvin is one of the 5 best WRs in the league and the key to our offense. No way is that a bad pick. Sure we had 2 other 1st round WRs on the roster, but those players were relative busts who were on there way out. I don't think it really mattered who we drafted there, we were going 0-16.

 

[Steelfan7]

My point is that there have been many rookie D-lineman who got 10 sacks. It's not that rare. You want to bust me for including Defensive Ends, fine. There were still at least 3 other rookies who got 10 sacks while playing exclusively at DT, plus 2 other rookies who did it while splitting time between DT and DE.

And there were probably several other rookie DTs who got 10 sacks prior to 1982 (records weren't kept before then).

Ergo, not as "insane" as the OP was making it sound.

It is pretty rare for a DT of any experience to get 10+ sacks. Look at the DT on that list and see how many times they got 10 sacks in their careers. Kevin Williams- 1x

Santana Dotson- 1x

Dana Stublefield- 2x

Keith Millard- 3x

No DT over the last 5 years has had more sacks than Suh did in 2010.