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FWIW NFLN just said there is no "interim title here. Bowles is new DC."Todd bowles interim DChttp://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/10/16/eagles-fire-juan-castillo-name-todd-bowles-defensive-coordinator/
you lost to the lions? Your Fired!Wasnt he an Oline coach before hand? wasnt he grossly mis-cast as a DC?
Castillo's defense has blown 6 4th quarter leads in the last 22 games.So does this mean they are going to fire or bench Vick too? He can't seem to put the ball where it belongs...unless it belongs on the ground and in the other teams hands?![]()
So Juan is the scape goat. Sorry Juan.
HATER disregard.Why you would hire a guy to ne your DC that was an oline coach is questionable at best. Reid is going to be fired at seasons end.....that is what happens when you bring in Mike Vick. Vick is a coach killer.
This is as simplistic as the Blame/Laud the QB for everything. A LOT of players on the Eagles have hd a hand in that streak. But you can frame the stat how you like.Castillo's defense has blown 6 4th quarter leads in the last 22 games.So does this mean they are going to fire or bench Vick too? He can't seem to put the ball where it belongs...unless it belongs on the ground and in the other teams hands?![]()
So Juan is the scape goat. Sorry Juan.
Every Eagle fan stopped reading right there.This is as simplistic as the Blame/Laud the QB for everything. A LOT of players on the Eagles have hd a hand in that streak. But you can frame the stat how you like.Castillo's defense has blown 6 4th quarter leads in the last 22 games.So does this mean they are going to fire or bench Vick too? He can't seem to put the ball where it belongs...unless it belongs on the ground and in the other teams hands?![]()
So Juan is the scape goat. Sorry Juan.
My Take: This shows the Eagles are on the verge of imploding. Castillo was fine and improving, but even he can't make up for the crazy # of TO's that offene was putting out there. Yes he was an OL coach. This meant he would naturally have a longer period of adjustment. But the eagles put him there for his football mind/natural 'cocahing talent' and hoped he could smoothly tranit to that. Too bad he did it as the city of chronically disgruntled and obnoxious fans have finally had enough of percieved "mediocrity". I think it's like a mini NYC napoleonic complex from being so close to "the city".
But through it all Reid has doen it his way, and usually righted the ship. However after Lurie came out in preseason and put Reid on the hot seat (which as a side note, was one of the most baffling moves from traditional sound and reasoned owner) he set the stage for this debacle. Now it appears to be going down in flames. My gut feeling says this just sets the stage for moreahed.
The offense is a big problem but how do you solve that? Firing Marty and having Andy call the plays doesnt change a thing. Firing Andy and having Marty call the plays also doesnt change a thing. Firing both ends your season.There you go. Fire the DC when the bigger problem is the play calling. I admit I don't know much about plays, but there were a lot of plays called in that Eagles/Lions game that had no chance and made no sense. And that goes for both teams. Reid is a lot like McCarthy, they forget they need to run the ball sometimes to make it easier for the QB.
Please. He never shoulda been hired in the first place. No credit due hereI admire the Eagles org in having the stones to fire a coordinator mid-season. I wish the Raiders could do likewise and fire our OC Knapp. Good firing.
"perceived mediocrity".This is as simplistic as the Blame/Laud the QB for everything. A LOT of players on the Eagles have hd a hand in that streak. But you can frame the stat how you like.Castillo's defense has blown 6 4th quarter leads in the last 22 games.So does this mean they are going to fire or bench Vick too? He can't seem to put the ball where it belongs...unless it belongs on the ground and in the other teams hands?![]()
So Juan is the scape goat. Sorry Juan.
My Take: This shows the Eagles are on the verge of imploding. Castillo was fine and improving, but even he can't make up for the crazy # of TO's that offene was putting out there. Yes he was an OL coach. This meant he would naturally have a longer period of adjustment. But the eagles put him there for his football mind/natural 'cocahing talent' and hoped he could smoothly tranit to that. Too bad he did it as the city of chronically disgruntled and obnoxious fans have finally had enough of percieved "mediocrity". I think it's like a mini NYC napoleonic complex from being so close to "the city".
But through it all Reid has doen it his way, and usually righted the ship. However after Lurie came out in preseason and put Reid on the hot seat (which as a side note, was one of the most baffling moves from traditional sound and reasoned owner) he set the stage for this debacle. Now it appears to be going down in flames. My gut feeling says this just sets the stage for moreahed.
Shocking, for such a well educated fan base that is known for calm, and exceedingly rational behavior. Next you are going to tell me that over half the fans on talk radio think that Nicke Foles is a better QB than maike Vick... But I digress. To the actual issue.nice analysis. But the eagles O scored about 1/2 the pts it should in the first 3 weeks of the year, evn with the Offense giving 4 TO's a game on average. Any NFL fan who knows his head from his ### knows that if you give 4 TO's a game, along with the excellelent field position/outright points that said TO's lead to, that the defense had a BIG role in those first couple wins. Further evidenced by he fact that the Eagles have won 3 games by a total of 4 pts. Those were tight games where D's played big. Don't live in the last year, where Castillo's ineperience and loads of defensive injuries culminated in a subpar year.Every Eagle fan stopped reading right there.This is as simplistic as the Blame/Laud the QB for everything. A LOT of players on the Eagles have hd a hand in that streak. But you can frame the stat how you like.Castillo's defense has blown 6 4th quarter leads in the last 22 games.So does this mean they are going to fire or bench Vick too? He can't seem to put the ball where it belongs...unless it belongs on the ground and in the other teams hands?![]()
So Juan is the scape goat. Sorry Juan.
My Take: This shows the Eagles are on the verge of imploding. Castillo was fine and improving, but even he can't make up for the crazy # of TO's that offene was putting out there. Yes he was an OL coach. This meant he would naturally have a longer period of adjustment. But the eagles put him there for his football mind/natural 'cocahing talent' and hoped he could smoothly tranit to that. Too bad he did it as the city of chronically disgruntled and obnoxious fans have finally had enough of percieved "mediocrity". I think it's like a mini NYC napoleonic complex from being so close to "the city".
But through it all Reid has doen it his way, and usually righted the ship. However after Lurie came out in preseason and put Reid on the hot seat (which as a side note, was one of the most baffling moves from traditional sound and reasoned owner) he set the stage for this debacle. Now it appears to be going down in flames. My gut feeling says this just sets the stage for moreahed.
Once they lost Jim Johnson this organization starting showing just how inept they are from the top down. Reid can throw Akers, McDermott, Castillo, etc under the bus but he is the main cause of this cluster#$@^. Unless you are a Jim Johnson you can't make a successful team out of garbage like this:20111 Danny Watkins Baylor 2 Jaiquawn Jarrett Temple 3 Curtis Marsh Utah State 4 Casey Matthews Oregon 4 Alex Henery Nebraska 5 Dion Lewis Pittsburgh 5 Julian Vandervelde Iowa 6 Ronald Johnson USC 6 Jason Kelce Cincinnati 6 Brian Rolle Ohio State 7 Greg Lloyd Connecticut 7 Stanley Havili USC 20101 Brandon Graham Michigan 2 Nate Allen South Florida 3 Daniel Te'o-Nesheim Washington 4 Trevard Lindley Kentucky 4 Keenan Clayton Oklahoma 4 Mike Kafka Northwestern 4 Clay Harbor Missouri State 5 Ricky Sapp Clemson 5 Riley Cooper Florida 6 Charles Scott LSU 7 Jamar Chaney Mississippi State 7 Jeff Owens Georgia 7 Kurt Coleman Ohio StateThere you go. Fire the DC when the bigger problem is the play calling. I admit I don't know much about plays, but there were a lot of plays called in that Eagles/Lions game that had no chance and made no sense. And that goes for both teams. Reid is a lot like McCarthy, they forget they need to run the ball sometimes to make it easier for the QB.
from another thread. LOLHave a great d line coach, great secondary coach, and a vastly improved LB corps that has looked great against the run so far. But then again, you probably haven't watched any eagles preseason games/camps.Still have a clueless co-ordinator running the show?Was.The Eagles D is terrible.yup...tough game to start against with no preseason coming off an injury.thats going to be a tough defense to run against
When you don't let Vick do what he does best, sure.Vick is at his best when he's allowed to run wild. It keeps the defense guessing because he can run at any moment. Andy Reid has stopped that lately. Vick has a strong, but not-so-accurate arm, the running game he brings should really help them.'ImTheScientist said:Why you would hire a guy to ne your DC that was an oline coach is questionable at best. Reid is going to be fired at seasons end.....that is what happens when you bring in Mike Vick. Vick is a coach killer.
As a life long Lion fan, and now 15 year Falcon fan, you Eagles fans have no idea how good you have it. How many NFL franchises wouldnt trade the last 15 years of te Eagles for the REAL mediocrity that they went through.'Billy Bats said:"perceived mediocrity".'Hipple said:This is as simplistic as the Blame/Laud the QB for everything. A LOT of players on the Eagles have hd a hand in that streak. But you can frame the stat how you like.'Amused to Death said:Castillo's defense has blown 6 4th quarter leads in the last 22 games.'Warpig said:So does this mean they are going to fire or bench Vick too? He can't seem to put the ball where it belongs...unless it belongs on the ground and in the other teams hands?![]()
So Juan is the scape goat. Sorry Juan.
My Take: This shows the Eagles are on the verge of imploding. Castillo was fine and improving, but even he can't make up for the crazy # of TO's that offene was putting out there. Yes he was an OL coach. This meant he would naturally have a longer period of adjustment. But the eagles put him there for his football mind/natural 'cocahing talent' and hoped he could smoothly tranit to that. Too bad he did it as the city of chronically disgruntled and obnoxious fans have finally had enough of percieved "mediocrity". I think it's like a mini NYC napoleonic complex from being so close to "the city".
But through it all Reid has doen it his way, and usually righted the ship. However after Lurie came out in preseason and put Reid on the hot seat (which as a side note, was one of the most baffling moves from traditional sound and reasoned owner) he set the stage for this debacle. Now it appears to be going down in flames. My gut feeling says this just sets the stage for moreahed.
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Are you fcking serious, Clarke?! No it's real mediocrity. I must've missed all those SB parades. How many playoff wins the last three years? Oh, zero!! Yea, lets hire an offensive line coach as defensive coordinator on a team that says they're SB contenders.
It's the fans fault dammit!!!
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Thanks for your commentary on Philadelphia's fans. Its refreshing to see new and insightful insults such as obnoxious and disgruntled. You really think it's like a mini NYC Napoleonic complex? How do you come up with such groundbreaking and provocative statements? Tell me more..I've never heard it before. Your assertion that this City's fan-base and their lofty expectations are the reason that Castillo failed miserably are the essence of obnoxious.'Hipple said:This is as simplistic as the Blame/Laud the QB for everything. A LOT of players on the Eagles have hd a hand in that streak. But you can frame the stat how you like.'Amused to Death said:Castillo's defense has blown 6 4th quarter leads in the last 22 games.'Warpig said:So does this mean they are going to fire or bench Vick too? He can't seem to put the ball where it belongs...unless it belongs on the ground and in the other teams hands?![]()
So Juan is the scape goat. Sorry Juan.
My Take: This shows the Eagles are on the verge of imploding. Castillo was fine and improving, but even he can't make up for the crazy # of TO's that offene was putting out there. Yes he was an OL coach. This meant he would naturally have a longer period of adjustment. But the eagles put him there for his football mind/natural 'cocahing talent' and hoped he could smoothly tranit to that. Too bad he did it as the city of chronically disgruntled and obnoxious fans have finally had enough of percieved "mediocrity". I think it's like a mini NYC napoleonic complex from being so close to "the city".
But through it all Reid has doen it his way, and usually righted the ship. However after Lurie came out in preseason and put Reid on the hot seat (which as a side note, was one of the most baffling moves from traditional sound and reasoned owner) he set the stage for this debacle. Now it appears to be going down in flames. My gut feeling says this just sets the stage for moreahed.
If the D played close to their talent he's (Vick) good enough to get us into the playoffs.The biggest problem on the Eagles is Michael Vick. Nothing more, nothing less. Vick is the biggest problem. Firing Castillo will not solve the problem. Maybe they will get a few more turnovers, maybe a few more sacks. As long as Vick is the QB the team will not win. Vick was not good in Atlanta, he has not been good here.
You know what Philly fans are like. Don't act so :shocked: and offended.Thanks for your commentary on Philadelphia's fans. Its refreshing to see new and insightful insults such as obnoxious and disgruntled. You really think it's like a mini NYC Napoleonic complex? How do you come up with such groundbreaking and provocative statements? Tell me more..I've never heard it before. Your assertion that this City's fan-base and their lofty expectations are the reason that Castillo failed miserably are the essence of obnoxious.'Hipple said:This is as simplistic as the Blame/Laud the QB for everything. A LOT of players on the Eagles have hd a hand in that streak. But you can frame the stat how you like.'Amused to Death said:Castillo's defense has blown 6 4th quarter leads in the last 22 games.'Warpig said:So does this mean they are going to fire or bench Vick too? He can't seem to put the ball where it belongs...unless it belongs on the ground and in the other teams hands?![]()
So Juan is the scape goat. Sorry Juan.
My Take: This shows the Eagles are on the verge of imploding. Castillo was fine and improving, but even he can't make up for the crazy # of TO's that offene was putting out there. Yes he was an OL coach. This meant he would naturally have a longer period of adjustment. But the eagles put him there for his football mind/natural 'cocahing talent' and hoped he could smoothly tranit to that. Too bad he did it as the city of chronically disgruntled and obnoxious fans have finally had enough of percieved "mediocrity". I think it's like a mini NYC napoleonic complex from being so close to "the city".
But through it all Reid has doen it his way, and usually righted the ship. However after Lurie came out in preseason and put Reid on the hot seat (which as a side note, was one of the most baffling moves from traditional sound and reasoned owner) he set the stage for this debacle. Now it appears to be going down in flames. My gut feeling says this just sets the stage for moreahed.
Castillo, with no defensive credentials (other than he played defense in High school) to warrant leading a defense was given the reins last year and failed. He was given an out due to the lockout and was allowed again to take the reins this year. Another failure ensued. You say he can't make up for all the TO's? Have you watched any of the birds games this year? I'll give you Vick has been horrendous in ball protection; the fact of the matter is though, when it mattered the most-in the fourth quarter, Vick has routinely handed the game over to the defense with a lead. Castillo's plain, predictable, vanilla defense has routinely given that lead back to the opposing team.
This situation should never have come to see the light of day, as Castillo had no business attempting to fill this role. Especially when considering that a Jim-Johnson-Disciple and Super Bowl winning Defensive coordinator-Spags-was ready and willing to come here.
He is not. He is a poor decision maker and a turn over machine.If the D played close to their talent he's (Vick) good enough to get us into the playoffs.The biggest problem on the Eagles is Michael Vick. Nothing more, nothing less. Vick is the biggest problem. Firing Castillo will not solve the problem. Maybe they will get a few more turnovers, maybe a few more sacks. As long as Vick is the QB the team will not win. Vick was not good in Atlanta, he has not been good here.
I am not a Vick supporter, but go check out his stats from 2010. Threw for 21 TDs, ran for 600+ yards and 9 more scores while only turning the ball over 9 times on the season (6 Ints, 3 Fum). He is a dual threat when he is on his game. But he's suffering from too many mental miscues this year. Not sure if he can correct his bad habits at this stage in his career.The biggest problem on the Eagles is Michael Vick. Nothing more, nothing less. Vick is the biggest problem. Firing Castillo will not solve the problem. Maybe they will get a few more turnovers, maybe a few more sacks. As long as Vick is the QB the team will not win. Vick was not good in Atlanta, he has not been good here.
As a life long Lion fan, and now 15 year Falcon fan you Eagles fans have no idea how good you have it. How many NFL franchises wouldnt trade the last 15 years of te Eagles for the REAL mediocrity that they went through.'Billy Bats said:"perceived mediocrity".'Hipple said:This is as simplistic as the Blame/Laud the QB for everything. A LOT of players on the Eagles have hd a hand in that streak. But you can frame the stat how you like.'Amused to Death said:Castillo's defense has blown 6 4th quarter leads in the last 22 games.'Warpig said:So does this mean they are going to fire or bench Vick too? He can't seem to put the ball where it belongs...unless it belongs on the ground and in the other teams hands?![]()
So Juan is the scape goat. Sorry Juan.
My Take: This shows the Eagles are on the verge of imploding. Castillo was fine and improving, but even he can't make up for the crazy # of TO's that offene was putting out there. Yes he was an OL coach. This meant he would naturally have a longer period of adjustment. But the eagles put him there for his football mind/natural 'cocahing talent' and hoped he could smoothly tranit to that. Too bad he did it as the city of chronically disgruntled and obnoxious fans have finally had enough of percieved "mediocrity". I think it's like a mini NYC napoleonic complex from being so close to "the city".
But through it all Reid has doen it his way, and usually righted the ship. However after Lurie came out in preseason and put Reid on the hot seat (which as a side note, was one of the most baffling moves from traditional sound and reasoned owner) he set the stage for this debacle. Now it appears to be going down in flames. My gut feeling says this just sets the stage for moreahed.
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Are you fcking serious, Clarke?! No it's real mediocrity. I must've missed all those SB parades. How many playoff wins the last three years? Oh, zero!! Yea, lets hire an offensive line coach as defensive coordinator on a team that says they're SB contenders.
It's the fans fault dammit!!!
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Definitely not shocked and no offense personally taken. Its just a lazy generalization that gets old.Also, I don't think the town fired the DC, but that's just me. How many TEAMS would take a lifelong OFFENSIVE LINE COACH and make him a DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR? Its that kind of 'outside the box' and 'I'm smarter than everyone else' mentality that Philly fans are tired of. FWIW, most of this town has been pointing out that Juan needs to go for a very long time. Reid's decision to fire him now kind of validates what we've all been saying. Don't you think? Or are you going to tell me that Andy Reid is influenced by what the fans say?You know what Philly fans are like. Don't act so :shocked: and offended.Thanks for your commentary on Philadelphia's fans. Its refreshing to see new and insightful insults such as obnoxious and disgruntled. You really think it's like a mini NYC Napoleonic complex? How do you come up with such groundbreaking and provocative statements? Tell me more..I've never heard it before. Your assertion that this City's fan-base and their lofty expectations are the reason that Castillo failed miserably are the essence of obnoxious.'Hipple said:This is as simplistic as the Blame/Laud the QB for everything. A LOT of players on the Eagles have hd a hand in that streak. But you can frame the stat how you like.'Amused to Death said:Castillo's defense has blown 6 4th quarter leads in the last 22 games.'Warpig said:So does this mean they are going to fire or bench Vick too? He can't seem to put the ball where it belongs...unless it belongs on the ground and in the other teams hands?![]()
So Juan is the scape goat. Sorry Juan.
My Take: This shows the Eagles are on the verge of imploding. Castillo was fine and improving, but even he can't make up for the crazy # of TO's that offene was putting out there. Yes he was an OL coach. This meant he would naturally have a longer period of adjustment. But the eagles put him there for his football mind/natural 'cocahing talent' and hoped he could smoothly tranit to that. Too bad he did it as the city of chronically disgruntled and obnoxious fans have finally had enough of percieved "mediocrity". I think it's like a mini NYC napoleonic complex from being so close to "the city".
But through it all Reid has doen it his way, and usually righted the ship. However after Lurie came out in preseason and put Reid on the hot seat (which as a side note, was one of the most baffling moves from traditional sound and reasoned owner) he set the stage for this debacle. Now it appears to be going down in flames. My gut feeling says this just sets the stage for moreahed.
Castillo, with no defensive credentials (other than he played defense in High school) to warrant leading a defense was given the reins last year and failed. He was given an out due to the lockout and was allowed again to take the reins this year. Another failure ensued. You say he can't make up for all the TO's? Have you watched any of the birds games this year? I'll give you Vick has been horrendous in ball protection; the fact of the matter is though, when it mattered the most-in the fourth quarter, Vick has routinely handed the game over to the defense with a lead. Castillo's plain, predictable, vanilla defense has routinely given that lead back to the opposing team.
This situation should never have come to see the light of day, as Castillo had no business attempting to fill this role. Especially when considering that a Jim-Johnson-Disciple and Super Bowl winning Defensive coordinator-Spags-was ready and willing to come here.How many other towns do you think fire a new OC/DC, especially a young first time coach, after 1.25 yers at the helm? Especially with the first year with the lockout?
2010 was the exception, not the rule. Vick is not a good QBI am not a Vick supporter, but go check out his stats from 2010. Threw for 21 TDs, ran for 600+ yards and 9 more scores while only turning the ball over 9 times on the season (6 Ints, 3 Fum). He is a dual threat when he is on his game. But he's suffering from too many mental miscues this year. Not sure if he can correct his bad habits at this stage in his career.The biggest problem on the Eagles is Michael Vick. Nothing more, nothing less. Vick is the biggest problem. Firing Castillo will not solve the problem. Maybe they will get a few more turnovers, maybe a few more sacks. As long as Vick is the QB the team will not win. Vick was not good in Atlanta, he has not been good here.
HLW&P's lazy generalization of the Philly fanbase aside, Reid has and will never be influenced by what fans are saying. If he were, the Eagles would have some semblance of a reasonable running game. Andy does everything his way. Its been that way since Modrak was run out of town.Fact is, the Eagles have been going downhill since '05. A couple of nice seasons mixed in to keep the media thinking Andy's NFL royalty, but generally far less successful than 2000-2004 (look it up). If Andy was evaluated on his success from '05 to present, he's very average. This is year AR14 and regular season wins & making the playoffs isn't the goal. Sorry if we Philly fans seem spoiled to you Detroit fans, but I think its safe to say if you were close year in and year out and saw the same issues year after year go unaddressed, you'd get tired of it too. Yes Lions' fans, for you getting to the post-season is nice. 14 years later it isn't good enough.Definitely not shocked and no offense personally taken. Its just a lazy generalization that gets old.Also, I don't think the town fired the DC, but that's just me. How many TEAMS would take a lifelong OFFENSIVE LINE COACH and make him a DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR? Its that kind of 'outside the box' and 'I'm smarter than everyone else' mentality that Philly fans are tired of. FWIW, most of this town has been pointing out that Juan needs to go for a very long time. Reid's decision to fire him now kind of validates what we've all been saying. Don't you think? Or are you going to tell me that Andy Reid is influenced by what the fans say?You know what Philly fans are like. Don't act so :shocked: and offended.![]()
How many other towns do you think fire a new OC/DC, especially a young first time coach, after 1.25 yers at the helm? Especially with the first year with the lockout?
Yes. That is precisley what I said. It must be this kind of delusion and selective filtering that is inbred in the Pilly educational System.As a life long Lion fan, and now 15 year Falcon fan you Eagles fans have no idea how good you have it. How many NFL franchises wouldnt trade the last 15 years of te Eagles for the REAL mediocrity that they went through.'Billy Bats said:"perceived mediocrity".'Hipple said:This is as simplistic as the Blame/Laud the QB for everything. A LOT of players on the Eagles have hd a hand in that streak. But you can frame the stat how you like.'Amused to Death said:Castillo's defense has blown 6 4th quarter leads in the last 22 games.'Warpig said:So does this mean they are going to fire or bench Vick too? He can't seem to put the ball where it belongs...unless it belongs on the ground and in the other teams hands?![]()
So Juan is the scape goat. Sorry Juan.
My Take: This shows the Eagles are on the verge of imploding. Castillo was fine and improving, but even he can't make up for the crazy # of TO's that offene was putting out there. Yes he was an OL coach. This meant he would naturally have a longer period of adjustment. But the eagles put him there for his football mind/natural 'cocahing talent' and hoped he could smoothly tranit to that. Too bad he did it as the city of chronically disgruntled and obnoxious fans have finally had enough of percieved "mediocrity". I think it's like a mini NYC napoleonic complex from being so close to "the city".
But through it all Reid has doen it his way, and usually righted the ship. However after Lurie came out in preseason and put Reid on the hot seat (which as a side note, was one of the most baffling moves from traditional sound and reasoned owner) he set the stage for this debacle. Now it appears to be going down in flames. My gut feeling says this just sets the stage for moreahed.
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Are you fcking serious, Clarke?! No it's real mediocrity. I must've missed all those SB parades. How many playoff wins the last three years? Oh, zero!! Yea, lets hire an offensive line coach as defensive coordinator on a team that says they're SB contenders.
It's the fans fault dammit!!!
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That pretty much ends this conversation about being a fan. So you think we should become Cowboys or Redskin fans instead of wanting excellence from our home team?
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As a life long Lion fan, and now 15 year Falcon fan, you Eagles fans have no idea how good you have it. How many NFL franchises wouldnt trade the last 15 years of te Eagles for the REAL mediocrity that they went through.'Billy Bats said:"perceived mediocrity".'Hipple said:This is as simplistic as the Blame/Laud the QB for everything. A LOT of players on the Eagles have hd a hand in that streak. But you can frame the stat how you like.'Amused to Death said:Castillo's defense has blown 6 4th quarter leads in the last 22 games.'Warpig said:So does this mean they are going to fire or bench Vick too? He can't seem to put the ball where it belongs...unless it belongs on the ground and in the other teams hands?![]()
So Juan is the scape goat. Sorry Juan.
My Take: This shows the Eagles are on the verge of imploding. Castillo was fine and improving, but even he can't make up for the crazy # of TO's that offene was putting out there. Yes he was an OL coach. This meant he would naturally have a longer period of adjustment. But the eagles put him there for his football mind/natural 'cocahing talent' and hoped he could smoothly tranit to that. Too bad he did it as the city of chronically disgruntled and obnoxious fans have finally had enough of percieved "mediocrity". I think it's like a mini NYC napoleonic complex from being so close to "the city".
But through it all Reid has doen it his way, and usually righted the ship. However after Lurie came out in preseason and put Reid on the hot seat (which as a side note, was one of the most baffling moves from traditional sound and reasoned owner) he set the stage for this debacle. Now it appears to be going down in flames. My gut feeling says this just sets the stage for moreahed.
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Are you fcking serious, Clarke?! No it's real mediocrity. I must've missed all those SB parades. How many playoff wins the last three years? Oh, zero!! Yea, lets hire an offensive line coach as defensive coordinator on a team that says they're SB contenders.
It's the fans fault dammit!!!
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I think it's under 50% Reid makes the switch during the bye week, but if Vick spits the bit in Week 8 I'd think we'll find out a lot sooner than we expected whether Foles fantastic preseason translates to real games.'Warpig said:So does this mean they are going to fire or bench Vick too? He can't seem to put the ball where it belongs...unless it belongs on the ground and in the other teams hands?So Juan is the scape goat. Sorry Juan.
For a very long time? He was DC for SIXTEEN months? Or are your referring to the 12 years prior to that when he was OL coach. Philly has consistently been one of the top OL's in football? ost position coaches don't last 12 years, especially while experiencing success. Methinks that Andy Reid and the Philly org knows a little more about how good of a coach this guy is. That is why they gave him a shot. But This wasn't even a shot really. This feels like when Belly-chick was forced out from the Browns and they were all excited to get that BUM out of town. We'll see. But for a normal new OC/DC, going through the normal progression of coaching ranks, this tenure was half baked and light. When you add in the lockout and how Lurie has bungled this year it's not even close to a fair shake. Certainly not how Andy Reid would have run it in the past. It just reeks of a team on the verge of a big implosion to me. Like you will be drafting in the top 8 next year.Definitely not shocked and no offense personally taken. Its just a lazy generalization that gets old.Also, I don't think the town fired the DC, but that's just me. How many TEAMS would take a lifelong OFFENSIVE LINE COACH and make him a DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR? Its that kind of 'outside the box' and 'I'm smarter than everyone else' mentality that Philly fans are tired of. FWIW, most of this town has been pointing out that Juan needs to go for a very long time. Reid's decision to fire him now kind of validates what we've all been saying. Don't you think? Or are you going to tell me that Andy Reid is influenced by what the fans say?You know what Philly fans are like. Don't act so :shocked: and offended.Thanks for your commentary on Philadelphia's fans. Its refreshing to see new and insightful insults such as obnoxious and disgruntled. You really think it's like a mini NYC Napoleonic complex? How do you come up with such groundbreaking and provocative statements? Tell me more..I've never heard it before. Your assertion that this City's fan-base and their lofty expectations are the reason that Castillo failed miserably are the essence of obnoxious.'Hipple said:This is as simplistic as the Blame/Laud the QB for everything. A LOT of players on the Eagles have hd a hand in that streak. But you can frame the stat how you like.'Amused to Death said:Castillo's defense has blown 6 4th quarter leads in the last 22 games.'Warpig said:So does this mean they are going to fire or bench Vick too? He can't seem to put the ball where it belongs...unless it belongs on the ground and in the other teams hands?![]()
So Juan is the scape goat. Sorry Juan.
My Take: This shows the Eagles are on the verge of imploding. Castillo was fine and improving, but even he can't make up for the crazy # of TO's that offene was putting out there. Yes he was an OL coach. This meant he would naturally have a longer period of adjustment. But the eagles put him there for his football mind/natural 'cocahing talent' and hoped he could smoothly tranit to that. Too bad he did it as the city of chronically disgruntled and obnoxious fans have finally had enough of percieved "mediocrity". I think it's like a mini NYC napoleonic complex from being so close to "the city".
But through it all Reid has doen it his way, and usually righted the ship. However after Lurie came out in preseason and put Reid on the hot seat (which as a side note, was one of the most baffling moves from traditional sound and reasoned owner) he set the stage for this debacle. Now it appears to be going down in flames. My gut feeling says this just sets the stage for moreahed.
Castillo, with no defensive credentials (other than he played defense in High school) to warrant leading a defense was given the reins last year and failed. He was given an out due to the lockout and was allowed again to take the reins this year. Another failure ensued. You say he can't make up for all the TO's? Have you watched any of the birds games this year? I'll give you Vick has been horrendous in ball protection; the fact of the matter is though, when it mattered the most-in the fourth quarter, Vick has routinely handed the game over to the defense with a lead. Castillo's plain, predictable, vanilla defense has routinely given that lead back to the opposing team.
This situation should never have come to see the light of day, as Castillo had no business attempting to fill this role. Especially when considering that a Jim-Johnson-Disciple and Super Bowl winning Defensive coordinator-Spags-was ready and willing to come here.How many other towns do you think fire a new OC/DC, especially a young first time coach, after 1.25 yers at the helm? Especially with the first year with the lockout?
By "a long time" he means ever since he was named DC. Why? Because the Eagles were supposed to be a SB contender last year. Giving a lifelong offensive coach the reigns to a championship defense was crazy to say the least - and had most scratching their heads at the move. Oh, and Andy's ALWAYS smarter than everyone else. ALWAYS. Hasn't really worked out well. 11-14 over the last 25 games.For a long time? He was DC for SIXTEEN months? Or are your referring to the 12 years prior to that when he was OL coach. Philly has consistently been one of the top OL's in football? ost position coaches don't last 12 years, especially while experiencing success. Methinks that Andy Reid and the Philly org knows a little more about how good of a coach this guy is. That is why they gave him a shot. But This wasn't even a shot really. This feels like when Belly-chick was forced out from the Browns and they were all excited to get that BUM out of town. We'll see. But for a normal new OC/DC, going through the normal progression of coaching ranks, this tenure was half baked and light. When you add in the lockout and how Lurie has bungled this year it's not even close to a fair shake. Certainly not how Andy Reid would have run it in the past. It just reeks of a team on the verge of a big implosion to me. Like you will be drafting in the top 8 next year.Definitely not shocked and no offense personally taken. Its just a lazy generalization that gets old.Also, I don't think the town fired the DC, but that's just me. How many TEAMS would take a lifelong OFFENSIVE LINE COACH and make him a DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR? Its that kind of 'outside the box' and 'I'm smarter than everyone else' mentality that Philly fans are tired of. FWIW, most of this town has been pointing out that Juan needs to go for a very long time. Reid's decision to fire him now kind of validates what we've all been saying. Don't you think? Or are you going to tell me that Andy Reid is influenced by what the fans say?You know what Philly fans are like. Don't act so :shocked: and offended.Thanks for your commentary on Philadelphia's fans. Its refreshing to see new and insightful insults such as obnoxious and disgruntled. You really think it's like a mini NYC Napoleonic complex? How do you come up with such groundbreaking and provocative statements? Tell me more..I've never heard it before. Your assertion that this City's fan-base and their lofty expectations are the reason that Castillo failed miserably are the essence of obnoxious.'Hipple said:This is as simplistic as the Blame/Laud the QB for everything. A LOT of players on the Eagles have hd a hand in that streak. But you can frame the stat how you like.'Amused to Death said:Castillo's defense has blown 6 4th quarter leads in the last 22 games.'Warpig said:So does this mean they are going to fire or bench Vick too? He can't seem to put the ball where it belongs...unless it belongs on the ground and in the other teams hands?![]()
So Juan is the scape goat. Sorry Juan.
My Take: This shows the Eagles are on the verge of imploding. Castillo was fine and improving, but even he can't make up for the crazy # of TO's that offene was putting out there. Yes he was an OL coach. This meant he would naturally have a longer period of adjustment. But the eagles put him there for his football mind/natural 'cocahing talent' and hoped he could smoothly tranit to that. Too bad he did it as the city of chronically disgruntled and obnoxious fans have finally had enough of percieved "mediocrity". I think it's like a mini NYC napoleonic complex from being so close to "the city".
But through it all Reid has doen it his way, and usually righted the ship. However after Lurie came out in preseason and put Reid on the hot seat (which as a side note, was one of the most baffling moves from traditional sound and reasoned owner) he set the stage for this debacle. Now it appears to be going down in flames. My gut feeling says this just sets the stage for moreahed.
Castillo, with no defensive credentials (other than he played defense in High school) to warrant leading a defense was given the reins last year and failed. He was given an out due to the lockout and was allowed again to take the reins this year. Another failure ensued. You say he can't make up for all the TO's? Have you watched any of the birds games this year? I'll give you Vick has been horrendous in ball protection; the fact of the matter is though, when it mattered the most-in the fourth quarter, Vick has routinely handed the game over to the defense with a lead. Castillo's plain, predictable, vanilla defense has routinely given that lead back to the opposing team.
This situation should never have come to see the light of day, as Castillo had no business attempting to fill this role. Especially when considering that a Jim-Johnson-Disciple and Super Bowl winning Defensive coordinator-Spags-was ready and willing to come here.How many other towns do you think fire a new OC/DC, especially a young first time coach, after 1.25 yers at the helm? Especially with the first year with the lockout?
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You're an idiot. Philly fans are amongst the best sports fans in the country.You know what Philly fans are like. Don't act so :shocked: and offended.Thanks for your commentary on Philadelphia's fans. Its refreshing to see new and insightful insults such as obnoxious and disgruntled. You really think it's like a mini NYC Napoleonic complex? How do you come up with such groundbreaking and provocative statements? Tell me more..I've never heard it before. Your assertion that this City's fan-base and their lofty expectations are the reason that Castillo failed miserably are the essence of obnoxious.'Hipple said:This is as simplistic as the Blame/Laud the QB for everything. A LOT of players on the Eagles have hd a hand in that streak. But you can frame the stat how you like.'Amused to Death said:Castillo's defense has blown 6 4th quarter leads in the last 22 games.'Warpig said:So does this mean they are going to fire or bench Vick too? He can't seem to put the ball where it belongs...unless it belongs on the ground and in the other teams hands?![]()
So Juan is the scape goat. Sorry Juan.
My Take: This shows the Eagles are on the verge of imploding. Castillo was fine and improving, but even he can't make up for the crazy # of TO's that offene was putting out there. Yes he was an OL coach. This meant he would naturally have a longer period of adjustment. But the eagles put him there for his football mind/natural 'cocahing talent' and hoped he could smoothly tranit to that. Too bad he did it as the city of chronically disgruntled and obnoxious fans have finally had enough of percieved "mediocrity". I think it's like a mini NYC napoleonic complex from being so close to "the city".
But through it all Reid has doen it his way, and usually righted the ship. However after Lurie came out in preseason and put Reid on the hot seat (which as a side note, was one of the most baffling moves from traditional sound and reasoned owner) he set the stage for this debacle. Now it appears to be going down in flames. My gut feeling says this just sets the stage for moreahed.
Castillo, with no defensive credentials (other than he played defense in High school) to warrant leading a defense was given the reins last year and failed. He was given an out due to the lockout and was allowed again to take the reins this year. Another failure ensued. You say he can't make up for all the TO's? Have you watched any of the birds games this year? I'll give you Vick has been horrendous in ball protection; the fact of the matter is though, when it mattered the most-in the fourth quarter, Vick has routinely handed the game over to the defense with a lead. Castillo's plain, predictable, vanilla defense has routinely given that lead back to the opposing team.
This situation should never have come to see the light of day, as Castillo had no business attempting to fill this role. Especially when considering that a Jim-Johnson-Disciple and Super Bowl winning Defensive coordinator-Spags-was ready and willing to come here.How many other towns do you think fire a new OC/DC, especially a young first time coach, after 1.25 yers at the helm? Especially with the first year with the lockout?
It's obvious he decided to troll today.You're an idiot. Philly fans are amongst the best sports fans in the country.You know what Philly fans are like. Don't act so :shocked: and offended.Thanks for your commentary on Philadelphia's fans. Its refreshing to see new and insightful insults such as obnoxious and disgruntled. You really think it's like a mini NYC Napoleonic complex? How do you come up with such groundbreaking and provocative statements? Tell me more..I've never heard it before. Your assertion that this City's fan-base and their lofty expectations are the reason that Castillo failed miserably are the essence of obnoxious.'Hipple said:This is as simplistic as the Blame/Laud the QB for everything. A LOT of players on the Eagles have hd a hand in that streak. But you can frame the stat how you like.'Amused to Death said:Castillo's defense has blown 6 4th quarter leads in the last 22 games.'Warpig said:So does this mean they are going to fire or bench Vick too? He can't seem to put the ball where it belongs...unless it belongs on the ground and in the other teams hands?![]()
So Juan is the scape goat. Sorry Juan.
My Take: This shows the Eagles are on the verge of imploding. Castillo was fine and improving, but even he can't make up for the crazy # of TO's that offene was putting out there. Yes he was an OL coach. This meant he would naturally have a longer period of adjustment. But the eagles put him there for his football mind/natural 'cocahing talent' and hoped he could smoothly tranit to that. Too bad he did it as the city of chronically disgruntled and obnoxious fans have finally had enough of percieved "mediocrity". I think it's like a mini NYC napoleonic complex from being so close to "the city".
But through it all Reid has doen it his way, and usually righted the ship. However after Lurie came out in preseason and put Reid on the hot seat (which as a side note, was one of the most baffling moves from traditional sound and reasoned owner) he set the stage for this debacle. Now it appears to be going down in flames. My gut feeling says this just sets the stage for moreahed.
Castillo, with no defensive credentials (other than he played defense in High school) to warrant leading a defense was given the reins last year and failed. He was given an out due to the lockout and was allowed again to take the reins this year. Another failure ensued. You say he can't make up for all the TO's? Have you watched any of the birds games this year? I'll give you Vick has been horrendous in ball protection; the fact of the matter is though, when it mattered the most-in the fourth quarter, Vick has routinely handed the game over to the defense with a lead. Castillo's plain, predictable, vanilla defense has routinely given that lead back to the opposing team.
This situation should never have come to see the light of day, as Castillo had no business attempting to fill this role. Especially when considering that a Jim-Johnson-Disciple and Super Bowl winning Defensive coordinator-Spags-was ready and willing to come here.How many other towns do you think fire a new OC/DC, especially a young first time coach, after 1.25 yers at the helm? Especially with the first year with the lockout?
BINGO...and with that said, they fired him. He was a DC who needed DL coach to actually install the system he was responsible for. Then he needed another DC on teh staff to help him be a DC THIS year. That's just what we know. Who knows how bad he was behind the scenes but I bet the people who fired him know...For a very long time? He was DC for SIXTEEN months? Or are your referring to the 12 years prior to that when he was OL coach. Philly has consistently been one of the top OL's in football? ost position coaches don't last 12 years, especially while experiencing success. Methinks that Andy Reid and the Philly org knows a little more about how good of a coach this guy is. That is why they gave him a shot. But This wasn't even a shot really. This feels like when Belly-chick was forced out from the Browns and they were all excited to get that BUM out of town. We'll see. But for a normal new OC/DC, going through the normal progression of coaching ranks, this tenure was half baked and light. When you add in the lockout and how Lurie has bungled this year it's not even close to a fair shake. Certainly not how Andy Reid would have run it in the past. It just reeks of a team on the verge of a big implosion to me. Like you will be drafting in the top 8 next year.![]()
It's obvious he decided to troll today. Calling out Philly fans and comparing Castillo to Belichick.![]()
I hope I was being trolled, you can't be that stupid. Can you?It's like owning a 5 star restaurant and promoting your pastry chef to the meat station. Just because he's been working in your restaurant for 10 years, doesn't mean he knows how to cook a beef Wellington.It's obvious he decided to troll today. Calling out Philly fans and comparing Castillo to Belichick.![]()
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Yes and the day he was hired as the DC was the day people's eyebrows started raising. Constantly being outmatched, game after game last year led to a lot of fans calling for his ouster under the obvious belief that he simply did not deserve to be there.You saying that he's obviously a good coach because they've had a good O-line for a long time and that's why they gave him a shot is the same idiotic thinking the FO tried to feed the fans. If I were to tell you that Peyton Manning is a really great QB, but more importantly he really knows football. You'd probably agree. If I were to then tell you that, because of his continued success as a QB, and his inherent knowledge of offensive philosophy (which should mean he knows how to STOP offenses, right?) its time to move him to CB or MLB so he can grow as a football player..what would you say? This is the asinine pretzel logic that was used to justify Castillo as DC. Frankly, it was insulting and no one in Philly bought it.I get the feeling that some chick from Philly dumped you years ago and you'll forever hold a grudge to this city in your heart..then I read on and see that you actually just compared Juan Castillo to Bill Belicheck. Doing so, in any form whatsoever, makes me realize that you have eaten a lot of lead in your lifetime. I will stop arguing with you now.For a very long time? He was DC for SIXTEEN months? Or are your referring to the 12 years prior to that when he was OL coach. Philly has consistently been one of the top OL's in football? ost position coaches don't last 12 years, especially while experiencing success. Methinks that Andy Reid and the Philly org knows a little more about how good of a coach this guy is. That is why they gave him a shot. But This wasn't even a shot really. This feels like when Belly-chick was forced out from the Browns and they were all excited to get that BUM out of town. We'll see. But for a normal new OC/DC, going through the normal progression of coaching ranks, this tenure was half baked and light. When you add in the lockout and how Lurie has bungled this year it's not even close to a fair shake. Certainly not how Andy Reid would have run it in the past. It just reeks of a team on the verge of a big implosion to me. Like you will be drafting in the top 8 next year.Definitely not shocked and no offense personally taken. Its just a lazy generalization that gets old.Also, I don't think the town fired the DC, but that's just me. How many TEAMS would take a lifelong OFFENSIVE LINE COACH and make him a DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR? Its that kind of 'outside the box' and 'I'm smarter than everyone else' mentality that Philly fans are tired of. FWIW, most of this town has been pointing out that Juan needs to go for a very long time. Reid's decision to fire him now kind of validates what we've all been saying. Don't you think? Or are you going to tell me that Andy Reid is influenced by what the fans say?![]()
They made a good analogy on WIP. Its like he's good at chess and knows all the moves, but he's no good at speed chess. When he's in his office devising a game plan he's fine. But when things are moving fast on the field and he had to make an adjustment he just couldn't handle it. Experienced OC's could outcoach him in the heat of the game.FWIW, I think you can say the same about Reid. He's fine as long as his game plan works. But he's not going to make many in-game adjustments to counter what defenses are doing.I hope I was being trolled, you can't be that stupid. Can you?It's like owning a 5 star restaurant and promoting your pastry chef to the meat station. Just because he's been working in your restaurant for 10 years, doesn't mean he knows how to cook a beef Wellington.It's obvious he decided to troll today. Calling out Philly fans and comparing Castillo to Belichick.![]()
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I heard that, and maybe its true. And all that comes with experience, of which Juan had none on the defensive side. But as far as Reid and his lack of adjustments, I think that has more to do with him saying, "I know this will work, and this is what we're going to do". Regardless of the circumstances and game situations. We've all seen it over and over for 14 years. It's stale, and more important, not winning a SB anytime soon. But what do we know? We were done with McNabb and he went on to win Super Bowls. Oh, wait...They made a good analogy on WIP. Its like he's good at chess and knows all the moves, but he's no good at speed chess. When he's in his office devising a game plan he's fine. But when things are moving fast on the field and he had to make an adjustment he just couldn't handle it. Experienced OC's could outcoach him in the heat of the game.FWIW, I think you can say the same about Reid. He's fine as long as his game plan works. But he's not going to make many in-game adjustments to counter what defenses are doing.I hope I was being trolled, you can't be that stupid. Can you?It's like owning a 5 star restaurant and promoting your pastry chef to the meat station. Just because he's been working in your restaurant for 10 years, doesn't mean he knows how to cook a beef Wellington.It's obvious he decided to troll today. Calling out Philly fans and comparing Castillo to Belichick.![]()
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