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Super Size Me by Morgan Spurlock (1 Viewer)
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Chaka
Footballguy
I know I have been here for a few years and all but I have not reached the stalker level yet, but I am working on it. Besides I think In-N-Out is exclusive to southern PAC-10 country, my bad.He lives an hour from U-DUB. Isn't that PAC-10 country?
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I know I have been here for a few years and all but I have not reached the stalker level yet, but I am working on it. Besides I think In-N-Out is exclusive to southern PAC-10 country, my bad.
IINM, I hit an In-N-Out Burger in a drunken stupor when I was in Vegas a few years ago.As far as fast food goes, yes.... their burgers are quite good. Liked the shakes too.
mr. id
Footballguy
call me crazy but i thought that was sorta the point.here's a guy who eats healthy and is fit who can't even choke down a McDonald's meal w/o vomiting. the fact that someone who is healthy got sick eating McDonald's kinda proves how disgusting the food really is.. and how we have conditioned our bodies to deal with it even though it's really ####ing us up.modern day america is a nation of fat people because we ingest so much food that is just horrible for your internal workings.i haven't eaten at McDonald's (actually i have twice.. chicken mcnuggets and a water both times... and i don't eat healthy food ) in about 18 months. mostly because i noticed that every time i would eat it i'd start to feel like #### inside of about 15 minutes, then i'd have to take the worst #### about 10-15 minutes after that.. then i'd feel lethargic and "headachey" after about 30-45 minutes. wtf??
Smoo
Fear the Beaver
No ####. The guy eats nothing but junk food for every meal for 30 days and gets sick... and the solution is to never eat junk food again? What a bunch of overreactors.
Steelnation
Footballguy
Bump
Ozymandias
Footballguy
We always are suckers for "The sky is falling" scenarios.
U.S. life expectancy going up, and up...
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/05facts/lifeexpectancy.htm
U.S. life expectancy going up, and up...
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/05facts/lifeexpectancy.htm
What ever happened to the Prof who set out to disprove Supersize Me by eating nothing but McDonald's but also exercising every day?
IIRC he actually lost weight over the time period he tried this. I think his argument was that lack of exercise was the biggest problem with Americans, not neccessarily what they were eating because that was just a scapegoat for being lazy.
IIRC he actually lost weight over the time period he tried this. I think his argument was that lack of exercise was the biggest problem with Americans, not neccessarily what they were eating because that was just a scapegoat for being lazy.
Smoo
Fear the Beaver
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
what impressed me was not that his health declined - this was to be expected - but that it happened so rapidly. Within less than a month he went from being very healthy to a physical wreck.
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Super Size me is a decent movie not about the evils of McDonalds but the evils of over indulgence. McDonalds plays the patsy in this movie as Spurlocks axe to grind could have just as easily been against a number of other modern day institutions that could be considered vices. Super Size me is slickly done, well produced and fun to watch...but at the end a little to unfair to McDonalds.
bentley
Footballguy
I've probably posted this same statement in this thread, but I really liked the movie. And I didn't leave it harboring any particular ill will toward McDonalds versus Wendys, BK, Arbys, etc. If you're going to make a movie about the culture, it only makes sense to use the undisputed industry leader as the example.Cheney's right about the point of the movie. Those that think it was a call to never eat a meal at McDonalds weren't paying attention.Darth Cheney said:
culdeus
Footballguy
If you notice in some ads recently for BK and others they actually are going after McD for changing their sizes down some.
I've made it my goal to virtually eliminate HFCS this year. That's a bigger struggle than fast food by far for me. Fast food was easy you just don't go. HFCS is everywhere.
I've made it my goal to virtually eliminate HFCS this year. That's a bigger struggle than fast food by far for me. Fast food was easy you just don't go. HFCS is everywhere.
my only problem was after the movie a lot of people were "HOLY CRAP I DIDN'T KNOW THIS WOULD HAPPEN"
Smoo
Fear the Beaver
Should I be worried? What is this "HFCS" that is apparently all around me without me knowledge?
G
Guest
Guest
What's your specific problem with the show and what do you think his "agenda" is? For example: Straight guy (majority) into Gay (minority) community. So what? He also didAthiest (minority) into Christian (majority) community. I think it's one of the better, more productive shows on TV. If I had kids, I'd want them to watch it. If I was a teacher, I'd want my class to watch it. 30 Days actually provides context, allows for differences of opinion, and promotes understanding. It sure beats the heck out of one-sided media or the "Shout-offs" that are all the rage in the news community these days. Unlike other "reality" shows, this show doesn't depend upon alchohol or false stimuli to "create drama". The drama - if any - comes from watching people immerse themselves in a new world and come to a better understanding. I've yet to see an episode where a Christian ended up an Athiest or vice-versa. Usually, each person keeps their opinions but learns - GASP - something new and gains some understanding. In the bonehead black and white, red vs. blue, sound-bite America that we live in today, I kind of like that.
Sorry to rant, I just think it's one of the more productive things on TV today and while it's trendy and cool to be cynical & throw out phrases like "spurlocks's got an agenda" (Not attacking you - I've heard that from a lot of folks) , "30 days" hasn't offered me any proof of that.
G
Guest
Guest
Then you must not have watched the beginning of the documentary. He addresses this. What he says is that #1) McDonalds is the biggest, most prolific fast food franchise in the world and 2) More than any other fast food franchise, McDonalds is great at marketing to Children (The Clown, the gigantic McPlaygrounds, The first to introduce the "happy meal" concept). I think it's spurious to say that Spurlock has some sort of axe to grind specifically with McDonalds. Obviously, he chose one franchise. That's the point. He explained why he chose that one and his reasons are certainly valid. Would YOU chose 'Whataburger' instead? Just like if you're going to address theme parks, you're darn sure more likely to choose Disney over a much smaller, less successful rival.Darth Cheney said:
popeye
Footballguy
High Fructose Corn Syrupbad stuffShould I be worried? What is this "HFCS" that is apparently all around me without me knowledge?
very bad stuff
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Politician Spock
Footballguy
That's because of what he wasn't getting in his diet, not because of what he was eating. I could eat carrots for every meal for 30 days and be a physical wreck too. BAH! CARROTS ARE BAD! STOP EATING THEM! AVOID THEM COMPLETELY!!! Sorry, it doesn't hold water. If you have variety in your diet, then there's nothing wrong with eating fast food every now and then.Sam Quentin said:
diesel7982
Footballguy
And if you watch Supersize Me, Spurlock makes this point too. I wonder how many people like Smoo in this thread have actually seen the movie.Smoo said:Buckna said:
Gigantomachia
Footballguy
Aristotle down?
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I've seen the film, and I am surprised that Spurlock is getting ripped like this. Yes, this is not how many Americans eat. But the larger point of the film is that many Americans eat a very poor diet and get almost no excercise.And if you watch Supersize Me, Spurlock makes this point too. I wonder how many people like Smoo in this thread have actually seen the movie.Smoo said:Buckna said:
Gigantomachia
Footballguy
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Well, no s*** Spurlock.I've seen the film, and I am surprised that Spurlock is getting ripped like this. Yes, this is not how many Americans eat. But the larger point of the film is that many Americans eat a very poor diet and get almost no excercise.And if you watch Supersize Me, Spurlock makes this point too. I wonder how many people like Smoo in this thread have actually seen the movie.Smoo said:Buckna said:
Godsbrother
Footballguy
What is the attraction of this place? I have twice gotten a chicken sandwich from this place and both times it was awful and way over priced.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Smoo said:Buckna said:
I don't think it's responsible to suggest that you can eat whatever, exercise and still consider yourself healthy. I think that both have happened within the last 30-40 years: less and less activity and more and more of highly processed food (and huge portions of it). Fast food is not good for you, period. I think it's just an ingrained notion in society that eating healthy = tofu and sprouts. Not the case.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I concur. And to further that point, I assume you could lose weight while other unhealthy things are developing in your body. If you went on a diet of cigarettes and Diet Cola, you might lose weight, but that doesn't mean you are healthy.Smoo said:Buckna said:
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
JMO, but too many people think that "healthy" = not overweight and not having signs of a disease.I concur. And to further that point, I assume you could lose weight while other unhealthy things are developing in your body. If you went on a diet of cigarettes and Diet Cola, you might lose weight, but that doesn't mean you are healthy.Smoo said:Buckna said:
I don't think it's responsible to suggest that you can eat whatever, exercise and still consider yourself healthy. I think that both have happened within the last 30-40 years: less and less activity and more and more of highly processed food (and huge portions of it). Fast food is not good for you, period. I think it's just an ingrained notion in society that eating healthy = tofu and sprouts. Not the case.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
People who eat fast food 3 times a day, 7 days a week don't exist. People who get zero exercise a day, 7 days week do exist. In fact, they are quite common. No one is suggesting that you can eat whatever, exercise and still be healthy. The argument is that lack of exercise is the biggest problem with Americans and not neccessarily what they are eating. "Not necessarily" meaning there may be some who are unhealthy because of diet, but not the majoriity. The majority of people do get a variety of food in their diet. That with exercise is healthy. The problem is their not exercising.Smoo said:Buckna said:
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urbanhack
Fight The Power!
It goes both ways. I don't excercise and I don't eat fast food and I'm not fat. I may be 5 or 10 pounds over what I'd like, but I'll gladly attribute that to beer drinking and not my diet.People who eat fast food 3 times a day, 7 days a week don't exist. People who get zero exercise a day, 7 days week do exist. In fact, they are quite common. No one is suggesting that you can eat whatever, exercise and still be healthy. The argument is that lack of exercise is the biggest problem with Americans and not neccessarily what they are eating. "Not necessarily" meaning there may be some who are unhealthy because of diet, but not the majoriity. The majority of people do get a variety of food in their diet. That with exercise is healthy. The problem is their not exercising.Smoo said:Buckna said:
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Granted, they don't eat fast food everyday. However I would expect that a lot of the American diet also consists of soda, doritos, microwave dinners, frozen pizza, hamburger helper, etc., etc.. I am not just talking about fast food, very little of what we as a whole injest is very good.People who eat fast food 3 times a day, 7 days a week don't exist. People who get zero exercise a day, 7 days week do exist. In fact, they are quite common. No one is suggesting that you can eat whatever, exercise and still be healthy. The argument is that lack of exercise is the biggest problem with Americans and not neccessarily what they are eating. "Not necessarily" meaning there may be some who are unhealthy because of diet, but not the majoriity. The majority of people do get a variety of food in their diet. That with exercise is healthy. The problem is their not exercising.Smoo said:Buckna said:
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Exactly. If you eat at McDonald's once or twice a week and eat healthy the other five days, that's not bad. But plenty of people aren't doing that.Granted, they don't eat fast food everyday. However I would expect that a lot of the American diet also consists of soda, doritos, microwave dinners, frozen pizza, hamburger helper, etc., etc.. I am not just talking about fast food, very little of what we as a whole injest is very good.People who eat fast food 3 times a day, 7 days a week don't exist. People who get zero exercise a day, 7 days week do exist. In fact, they are quite common. No one is suggesting that you can eat whatever, exercise and still be healthy. The argument is that lack of exercise is the biggest problem with Americans and not neccessarily what they are eating. "Not necessarily" meaning there may be some who are unhealthy because of diet, but not the majoriity. The majority of people do get a variety of food in their diet. That with exercise is healthy. The problem is their not exercising.Smoo said:Buckna said:
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Exactly. I can't walk into a main-stream grocery store and find that many healthy, appealing items outside of the produce/meat/poultry/seafood departments. More than half of the stuff in there is artificially produced junk that is in no way healthy for you.Granted, they don't eat fast food everyday. However I would expect that a lot of the American diet also consists of soda, doritos, microwave dinners, frozen pizza, hamburger helper, etc., etc.. I am not just talking about fast food, very little of what we as a whole injest is very good.People who eat fast food 3 times a day, 7 days a week don't exist. People who get zero exercise a day, 7 days week do exist. In fact, they are quite common. No one is suggesting that you can eat whatever, exercise and still be healthy. The argument is that lack of exercise is the biggest problem with Americans and not neccessarily what they are eating. "Not necessarily" meaning there may be some who are unhealthy because of diet, but not the majoriity. The majority of people do get a variety of food in their diet. That with exercise is healthy. The problem is their not exercising.Smoo said:Buckna said:
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Price, marketing and access.
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
Finally caught this, and some of the arguments here are valid, ie the lack of exercise and the excessive eating, but you really can't deny the impact that this diet had on his vitals. Certainly staggering given the limited window.
I had distanced myself from this stuff after reading 'Fast Food Nation"(which I think is a must read book for pretty much any American), but this was a great visual and visceral exploration.
I had distanced myself from this stuff after reading 'Fast Food Nation"(which I think is a must read book for pretty much any American), but this was a great visual and visceral exploration.
TheIronSheik
SUPER ELITE UPPER TIER
No joke. This movie made me hungry for McDonalds 20 minutes into it.
I've eaten fast food at least 3 times a week for the past 15 years and its had no ill effects on me. I like Spurlock, but this 'study' didn't prove ####.
I've eaten fast food at least 3 times a week for the past 15 years and its had no ill effects on me. I like Spurlock, but this 'study' didn't prove ####.
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Keep it up.
TheIronSheik
SUPER ELITE UPPER TIER
Your man love for me is starting to freak me out. Seriously.Keep it up.
rock753
Footballguy
Me thinks you manage a McDonalds? Maybe I am wrong?
It's all perception. I heard there was also a woman who ate nothing but McDonald's for 30 days and lost like 15 pounds or something. She ordered the right stuff, grilled chicken, salads, etc.....
I garauntee you if I ate at Subway, and got the BMT with double meat, extra mayonnaise, oil and vinegar, I would make Jared look like a tool.
sheep......all of you........
rock753
Footballguy
I read once that McDonalds is the #1 buyer of kangaroo meat in the world...
MrPhoenix
Ron Paul Soldier
You know something, we all can talk about how nasty places like McDonalds are to eat in, we can watch all the movies, read all the studies, and get every bit of knowledge about how bad fast food and sugary drinks are for your body, but let's face it:
Society almost forces us to eat and drink this crap (for most of us, anyway).
I work in an office. Outside of water, you have soda in the soda machines. For a 12 oz serving of Pepsi, you're drinking 140 calories and 39 carbs (mostly sugar). Over the course of the day, in the office, you maybe do 30 minutes of movement (not exercise, mind you) in an 8 and a half-hour workday. During that time, a person might drink about 3 12-oz Pepsi drinks a day. That works to 420 calories and 117 carbs per day. Over the course of a 5-day week, that's 2,100 calories and 585 mostly-sugar carbs per week. During that time, assuming you go straight home and don't exercise during the week, you're just piling on calories and sugar into your body without burning them off, which then becomes fat. And because sugar and caffeine are kind of a habit-forming substances in that you get a feeling of euphoria when you intake them for a matter of moments, you turn to soda more and more.
With that, let's go to your lunch. At my work, you have three choices for lunch:
1. Bring your own and risk theft
2. Eat from the un-healthy crap in the machines
3. Race to McDonalds or another fast food place, order, eat, and return to your desk in exactly 30 minutes.
A lot choose 1, but most in our office choose 3. Over the course of 5 days, a person will eat fast food at least 3 days of the week. And all the while, they are working in a sedentary work environment, sitting while the food they eat turns into fat instead of energy. A person at work either don't have the desire or the ability to eat healthy. Fast food is a quick, easy fix to the fundamental human need to eat to stay alive. However, many ignore the fact that fast food has little to no nutritional value and travel down the road to high cholesterol and diabetes as willing and unknowing connoisseurs to an unhealthy lifestyle. I know because I'm what you could consider "fat" and I'm as much of a victim as anyone else is. Take for instance this:
For a lot of my 17-20 year old work history, I worked at convenience stores. Now, I want you all to do a little experiment. Try to find all the "healthy" things in the store you can. Now that you have done that, compare that to the "unhealthy" things in the store you can. Chips, beer, soda, hard liquer, soda fountains, nachos, hot dogs, taquitos, peanuts, Combos, candy, etc etc etc. The healthy stuff? Maybe a protein bar here and there and maybe some relatively healthy tea and fruit drinks, but that's pretty much it. The stuff they sell in convenience stores is downright disgusting compared to the healthy stuff they sell. But hey, it's "convenient", right? Convenient for you because it's a quick fix and there's nothing to prepare and convenient for the store because it costs much less to procure this slime and they can make higher profits.
The fact of the matter is that the producers of fast food, fatty products, and soft drinks have officially "bought" us from the natural food producers. It's cheaper to manufacture and sell these products than it is for the real thing, the stuff costs less in stores than "organic" and "health" foods, which means more people buy the stuff. I never realized this growing up, but man, Morgan Spurlock was right. They really cram sugary cereals, snacks, and soft drinks down our throats as children and almost create a culture that it isn't "cool" to eat healthy. The less the product costs to manufacture, the lesser the cost, the more money you make as a company, the more money you can put into advertising, the more people that buy the product, and around and around the circle goes.
And we've been bought into this system since we were in diapers.
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Society almost forces us to eat and drink this crap (for most of us, anyway).
I work in an office. Outside of water, you have soda in the soda machines. For a 12 oz serving of Pepsi, you're drinking 140 calories and 39 carbs (mostly sugar). Over the course of the day, in the office, you maybe do 30 minutes of movement (not exercise, mind you) in an 8 and a half-hour workday. During that time, a person might drink about 3 12-oz Pepsi drinks a day. That works to 420 calories and 117 carbs per day. Over the course of a 5-day week, that's 2,100 calories and 585 mostly-sugar carbs per week. During that time, assuming you go straight home and don't exercise during the week, you're just piling on calories and sugar into your body without burning them off, which then becomes fat. And because sugar and caffeine are kind of a habit-forming substances in that you get a feeling of euphoria when you intake them for a matter of moments, you turn to soda more and more.
With that, let's go to your lunch. At my work, you have three choices for lunch:
1. Bring your own and risk theft
2. Eat from the un-healthy crap in the machines
3. Race to McDonalds or another fast food place, order, eat, and return to your desk in exactly 30 minutes.
A lot choose 1, but most in our office choose 3. Over the course of 5 days, a person will eat fast food at least 3 days of the week. And all the while, they are working in a sedentary work environment, sitting while the food they eat turns into fat instead of energy. A person at work either don't have the desire or the ability to eat healthy. Fast food is a quick, easy fix to the fundamental human need to eat to stay alive. However, many ignore the fact that fast food has little to no nutritional value and travel down the road to high cholesterol and diabetes as willing and unknowing connoisseurs to an unhealthy lifestyle. I know because I'm what you could consider "fat" and I'm as much of a victim as anyone else is. Take for instance this:
For a lot of my 17-20 year old work history, I worked at convenience stores. Now, I want you all to do a little experiment. Try to find all the "healthy" things in the store you can. Now that you have done that, compare that to the "unhealthy" things in the store you can. Chips, beer, soda, hard liquer, soda fountains, nachos, hot dogs, taquitos, peanuts, Combos, candy, etc etc etc. The healthy stuff? Maybe a protein bar here and there and maybe some relatively healthy tea and fruit drinks, but that's pretty much it. The stuff they sell in convenience stores is downright disgusting compared to the healthy stuff they sell. But hey, it's "convenient", right? Convenient for you because it's a quick fix and there's nothing to prepare and convenient for the store because it costs much less to procure this slime and they can make higher profits.
The fact of the matter is that the producers of fast food, fatty products, and soft drinks have officially "bought" us from the natural food producers. It's cheaper to manufacture and sell these products than it is for the real thing, the stuff costs less in stores than "organic" and "health" foods, which means more people buy the stuff. I never realized this growing up, but man, Morgan Spurlock was right. They really cram sugary cereals, snacks, and soft drinks down our throats as children and almost create a culture that it isn't "cool" to eat healthy. The less the product costs to manufacture, the lesser the cost, the more money you make as a company, the more money you can put into advertising, the more people that buy the product, and around and around the circle goes.
And we've been bought into this system since we were in diapers.
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djcolts
Footballguy
I work in an office, like many of us here. I've changed my eating habits over the last 6 months for the considerably better (and began exercising again - resistance training and cardio interval training), and it is possible to do so. I bring in my lunch and 2 healthy snacks every day. I drink water and avoid sodas. I prepare nearly every meal I make (I only eat out when I'm forced to be in a social situation, then I do the best I can when ordering). It is possible to do.
After making these changes for 6 months (with some adjustments along the way), I really don't crave that stuff anymore. And I'm down nearly 50 pounds since I started, my cholesterol is lower than it has ever been, and my waist has shrunk 8 inches. Though I understand that it is not easy, and I understand that the office culture makes it harder than it should be, it is worth the effort.
After making these changes for 6 months (with some adjustments along the way), I really don't crave that stuff anymore. And I'm down nearly 50 pounds since I started, my cholesterol is lower than it has ever been, and my waist has shrunk 8 inches. Though I understand that it is not easy, and I understand that the office culture makes it harder than it should be, it is worth the effort.
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Rayderr
Footballguy
Wow. I haven't heard that urban myth in like 20 years.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
I really have to count my blessings as my gf and I usually make enough food for me to take some into work for lunch the next day. The food is better and healthier than I can get outside, even if fast food isn't that prevalent here in Spain.
