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I would imagine it's a maddening backfield, but last year, Thomas looked like a better back. I was impressed with him.eta* I originally was going to comment about him leaving the SF last year with that nasty helmet-to-helmet hit he took. I didn't remember he only played in three games in 2010.
I wouldn’t say that he has no value. He can make for a nice bye week playerI picked PT up in the 15th round of a 12 team leagueHe is probably going to touch the ball 9 or 10 times a week in a high powered offense
11th? I got him in the 15th and 14th in my drafts. where he is being drafted it is also very likely he's in the 'first guy cut' spot. Odds are many will drop him before week one too. just checked cbs. in cbs leagues he is owned in 66% of leagues, down from 70% (on the most dropped list)
the super sleeper was somewhat tongue in cheek. But has a guy on top of his teams depth chart been talked about less. And Cadet has next to 0 value in redraft leagues. He barely made the saints roster.
cost me a 14 and a 15. and hes avail in 1/3 of leagues on WW. Not bad for a guy you can plug in sunday if one of your starters gets suspended/tweaks a hammy.
Yep, I grabbed him in both of my leagues, and went high. we have 2 ppr and bonuses for yds/carry, so he doesn't have to rush over 10 times to score well
I didn't know either of those guys have a career 4.8 YPC or catch 50 passes last year. The only reason I mentioned the 11th round is that's where his ADP is now with Sproles and Ingram both having knee issues.
According to the OP, his ADP is undrafted.
owned in 2/3 of leagues WW is certainly "available on many wws"
He was in committee hell last year and finshed as RB36 in my PPR league. That's a low end RB3 for the price of an RB6 (at least where I'm getting him). THere is a lot to be said for a guy sitting at the bottom of your bench that can get you 12-15 points if you need to roll him out.To me, that's plenty of value.
His "committee hell" is much worse this year now that Ingram is healthy and has had a full training camp to be integrated fully into the offense. Thomas got most of his carries/touches last year when Ingram was out. Ingram got > 50% of the carries when both Ingram and Thomas were healthy. Thomas is more likely to be RB 45-ish than RB36 this year.
I'm very much expecting Ingram to see an increased role at the expense of PT this year. Whether or not he'll be fantasy relevant is a completely different story.
In the games where Ingram and Thomas both played, Thomas still had stat-lines of 10.8, 7.5, 5.3, 0.6, 11.9, 13.2, 17.5, 7.8, 20.0Nothing fantastic, but for a guy sitting way down on your bench, he had scores over 10 points in 5/9 games. Better than you can say for the guys that were going off the board at the same point. AND, in the event that Ingram or Sproles goes out, he's a fantastic guy to put into your starting lineup.As a guy that was drafted in the 18th round in my league, that's tremendous value.
It's not tremendous value. It's dog #### value.It's like the RB version of Anquan Boldin. It's not like either guy is going to score nothing. They won't. They'll score a little, every week, no matter the team's situation. But they have zero upside. None. Once your team is relying on an Anquan Boldin or Pierre Thomas to score points for you, you've already lost. If it makes you feel better to lose by a slightly less embarrassing score, more power to you...but you're still a loser.Guys that can be taken this late shouldn't be taken because they can reliably put up dog #### stats. Guys taken this late should be sleepers who have a real chance, if things break right, of developing into legit fantasy starters. A guy with even a couple percent worth of chance of ending up as a real FF starter is far better bench fodder than the guy who will reliably and competently finish as RB40. Take one of those guys, and if/when he doesn't work out, drop him and pick up a different one.Pierre Thomas's role is not only lame - it's set in stone. He's not moving up and taking a workhorse load even if the guy ahead of him dies in a plane crash. Ivory becomes the goalline back then, probably splits the two-down carries, and Sproles remains the passing game guy. Thomas may make you feel better for not having gotten zeroes out of your 15th round pick, but he won't ever play a meaningful role on a successful FF team. So what's the ####### point?Give yourself a chance at winning and avoid situations like this at all costs.
No argument in that Cadet offers zero value in a redraft. Unless Sproles does go down with injury and the NO staff surprisingly leap frog Cadet over PT, Ingram, and or Ivory. Highly unlikely though. But in my deep dynasty leagues, Cadet is a hot target.
FWIW, Bob Henry has the RB depth chart as this: Ingram, Sproles, Thomas, Ivory, Cadethttp://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/depthchart.php
Technically, they spent both a 1st and a 2nd round pick on Ingram.
That is b/c it hasn't been updated yet, not because FBG's think the DC is different.
Pretty sure Thomas was #1 on the official depth chart last year, but Ingram still was more "featured" (touches) when healthy.
the link you posted is from Sept 1, and Bob's was updated on Sept 6...however I don't think its an issue of 5 days...i just think it's a true committee to start the season...if Ingram plays like the guy they drafted, then its hard to see him taking a back seat to Thomas with how much they invested in him.
A lot better than a handcuff. Cadet is probably the Sproles cuff.
The difference in amount invested isn't really that much.
I don't know about that...Pierre Thomas was not drafted. He signed a new 4 year contract last season worth $2.8 million per year with NO signing bonus- not exactly a high investment. Meanwhile, the Saints traded up in the First Round to get Ingram.
How they acquired him has no bearing on it. It is money already in the pot. Their investment, in practical terms, is the amount of guaranteed money they have locked up in him and the cap hit.
Picked up both of these guys (and Daryl Richardson) in just about every one of my leagues. I like both long-term.Keep in mind--a lot of people really liked Joique Bell after he looked good in preseason for the Saints, and they let him go. A lot of people feel that if Ivory ever got a shot somewhere, he could be decently good. The Saints seem to like Cadet more than Ivory (rumors of Ivory being on the trade block) and obviously like him more than they did Bell at the time, considering the number of roster spots they have almost been forced to use on RB's with Cadets performance in preseason.
That is just not how most teams/coaching staffs think about it. They put their professional reputations on the line (both with their management and future employers) when they trade up to draft someone in the first round (a first and second round pick was the price for Ingram). They have a real, practical investment in making that decision look like a smart one. It does have bearing on playing time in a lot of places. Plus, Pierre is getting older and they know they can't rely on him for that many years going forward. RBs get phased out earlier than ever these days. I'd be surprised if he finishes his contract with the Saints.
I won a title with Pierre Thomas last year. IInjuries hit, and I needed to plug in a guy to replace Fred Jackson. He took me to the championship. Not only did Thomas give me a chance at winning, he saved my championship hopes. There is definitely something to be said for filling your roster with guys who have a ton of upside, but there is also a place for a guy who can guarantee you 10 or so points if you are desperate...and in fantasy football, that isn't an uncommon situation,Sproles is already hurting, Ingram has a history of injuries...Thomas is going to score quite a bit if either goes down. Not sure how Ronnie brown, montario hardest, or Jeff demos offers anything more than that (they were the three backs taken before Thomas in my draft).
