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Sarnoff
Footballguy
And one more thing I forgot to mention, Kass said in this episode "You don't break up an alliance just because you don't like somebody" to Jefra when she was thinking of voting against Tony. For the second week in a row she nearly broke my irony meter.
The line about the fruit being as big as Morgan's boobs was awesome.
The line about the fruit being as big as Morgan's boobs was awesome.
I don't think the producers told him where it was but I wouldn't be surprised if they buried it along the path they thought he was headed. Also think the do stuff like if you are close to the idol the cameras roll. When you get further away they stop rolling.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Loved this. And Tash immediately nodded and said, "me too". Nice bit of play there and should have put the cat among the pigeons as far as Tony's long-term prospects. But with the super idol and the numbnuttery of Tony's tribemates I'm not so sure.
Trying to think this idea through.
What if Spencer states before the vote - "I have an idol (and shows it). I am either using it or giving it to Jeremiah. We are not voting for Tony tonight (which leaves Kass, Woo, Jefra and the other chick). We are each going to write down one of your names (say Kass, Woo and Jefra). When I play the idol, we will go to the tiebreaker - and one of you 3 will go home. Or you four could simply vote Tony and we send him him tonight."
But Spencer, Tash and Jeremiah all vote Woo.
Does it work? Would they discuss writing Tony's name?
What if Spencer states before the vote - "I have an idol (and shows it). I am either using it or giving it to Jeremiah. We are not voting for Tony tonight (which leaves Kass, Woo, Jefra and the other chick). We are each going to write down one of your names (say Kass, Woo and Jefra). When I play the idol, we will go to the tiebreaker - and one of you 3 will go home. Or you four could simply vote Tony and we send him him tonight."
But Spencer, Tash and Jeremiah all vote Woo.
Does it work? Would they discuss writing Tony's name?
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Sarnoff
Footballguy
I don't think that threat works.
Spenser's threat is that Kass, Woo, and Jefra each get 1 vote.
Kass, Woo, Jefra, and Trish can just say "OK, together us four will put 2 on Spenser, and 2 on Jeremiah, and Tony can vote for whomever. Spenser can play his idol and pick which of the two of them goes home."
(If they don't, the threat still doesn't work. There's still a revote before the rocks tiebreaker, but Spenser's already played his idol for himself or Jeremiah after the 1st vote. The fivesome will just vote for the other on the 2nd round.)
But now say they do all 3 write Woo. So now there's 3 on either Spenser or Jeremiah, 3 on Woo, and 2 on the other of Spenser and Jeremiah. Spenser would have to correctly guess which of the two Tony voted for as the 3rd vote and save that person to get out Woo.
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Timmay
Footballguy
I was just able to watch this last night. Good episode all around.
I wish we still got to see Morgan's big ta-ta's in the game instead of just referencing them to fruit. She definitely needs to start wearing a little more revealing clothes when she comes back with the jury.
Quite a few funny moments this week. Woo falling from the tree, Trish referencing fruit to Morgans boobs, Tony's spyshack with the camera guy standing right there, Jeremiah making it a big deal he was a fashion model, Spencer talking surfer dude when writing Woo's name down at tribal.
I wish we still got to see Morgan's big ta-ta's in the game instead of just referencing them to fruit. She definitely needs to start wearing a little more revealing clothes when she comes back with the jury.
Quite a few funny moments this week. Woo falling from the tree, Trish referencing fruit to Morgans boobs, Tony's spyshack with the camera guy standing right there, Jeremiah making it a big deal he was a fashion model, Spencer talking surfer dude when writing Woo's name down at tribal.
Spencer should have showed Jefra the idol and told her that they are voting for her unless she votes with them for Tony. Also telling her he may give it to Jeremiah and that it was now 50/50 she goes home. Of course Spencer would be playing the idol himself but the threat may be enough to have her go along. Not much to lose.
So Spencer plays his idol, the vote goes 4 for Tony and 4 for Jeremiah. Tony plays his idol. Tony's idol is out of play and Jefra has now voted outside her alliance. Plus Tony is perceived as an even bigger threat having played the "super" idol.
If Jefra did not go along with voting with Spencer, he in the same spot.
Was that the best play?
Spencer with the idol and with Tasha having immunity had a bit of leverage that he didn't play.
So Spencer plays his idol, the vote goes 4 for Tony and 4 for Jeremiah. Tony plays his idol. Tony's idol is out of play and Jefra has now voted outside her alliance. Plus Tony is perceived as an even bigger threat having played the "super" idol.
If Jefra did not go along with voting with Spencer, he in the same spot.
Was that the best play?
Spencer with the idol and with Tasha having immunity had a bit of leverage that he didn't play.
What kind of ruins the game is one player, Tony, is aware of a different set of rules that the other players are not. If everyone knew that a "super" idol was out there that could be played after the votes everyone may play differently. It's like throwing an idol out there that is worth three idols. How could anyone plan for that?
They had a good season going too. Tony may not have needed the "super" idol. Plus it's part of the game that the aggressive player gets booted just for that unless they are good enough to foresee and overcome which Tony may have been. Was also setting up for a worthy player like Spencer or Tasha to go from underdog to winner.
Now it will be who does Tony want to take to the finals along with whether he can win immunity or get past that one vote where he doesn't have the idol.
They had a good season going too. Tony may not have needed the "super" idol. Plus it's part of the game that the aggressive player gets booted just for that unless they are good enough to foresee and overcome which Tony may have been. Was also setting up for a worthy player like Spencer or Tasha to go from underdog to winner.
Now it will be who does Tony want to take to the finals along with whether he can win immunity or get past that one vote where he doesn't have the idol.
jamny
Footballguy
Yeah, I'm kinda not buying it either. Did they even show him actually digging at other locations? Looked like he was just putting his hand into open spaces until he got to that tree.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
I have watched every episode of Survivor in its long run.
I agree with others that this season appears to be more scripted than most.
Tony's entire spy shack was laughable in the editing that he could actually hide in there with so many cameramen pointing at him.
I felt in the past others, specifically Russell Hantz, might have been told where to look for an idol with no clues available. I feel the same way about Tony this season.
I agree with others that this season appears to be more scripted than most.
Tony's entire spy shack was laughable in the editing that he could actually hide in there with so many cameramen pointing at him.
I felt in the past others, specifically Russell Hantz, might have been told where to look for an idol with no clues available. I feel the same way about Tony this season.
jamny
Footballguy
Survivor: Panama-Survivor: Cook IslandsIn succeeding seasons, the mechanics of the Hidden Immunity Idol drastically changed. In Survivor: Panama and Survivor: Cook Islands, instead of making the player immune before the vote, the Hidden Immunity Idol would now be able to nullify votes that are cast against the holder. When the host revealed enough votes to eliminate a contestant, the player in question will have to draw the Idol to stay in the game. With the holder immune at the last minute, the person who receives the next highest amount of votes will be eliminated instead. This format was panned by fans, calling the item "too powerful," by using them akin to the Get Out of Jail Free card" used in Monopoly. These Idols are good up until the Tribal Council where there are only four contestants remaining.
From Survivor: Fiji onwards (with the exception of Survivor: Gabon), there have been two available Idols, one hidden in each of the tribe camps. Additionally, the format was once again changed. Instead of using it after the host revealed enough ballots to eliminate a player, players must use the Idol after the votes have been cast, but before the host reveals them.
From Survivor: Fiji onwards (with the exception of Survivor: Gabon), there have been two available Idols, one hidden in each of the tribe camps. Additionally, the format was once again changed. Instead of using it after the host revealed enough ballots to eliminate a player, players must use the Idol after the votes have been cast, but before the host reveals them.
Raylove
Footballguy
that's how I took it as to how it had to be played and was confused reading the last few pages with statements that he could play it after Jeff read the votes.
Class Dismissed
Footballguy
Trish also wheeled in a woobly Jefra and confronted Tony when he singled out Jefra as the only one who was questioning the alliance, she put the target squarely on her back for Jefra.
I thought it was a great move that will pay dividends for her in the end. If she makes it that far.
Also according to her twitter account, she peed in Tony's Spy Shack.
I thought it was a great move that will pay dividends for her in the end. If she makes it that far.
Also according to her twitter account, she peed in Tony's Spy Shack.
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Class Dismissed
Footballguy
Spencer, Tony, Tasha, Kass, and Trish IMO have really played the game.
Kass seems to be banking on being a goat to take to the finals and at that point she feels confident enough in her attorney skills to make the case to the jury that it was an effective strategy. She may not be done flipping.
Kass seems to be banking on being a goat to take to the finals and at that point she feels confident enough in her attorney skills to make the case to the jury that it was an effective strategy. She may not be done flipping.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I agree with a previous post. I think they cameras keep following and recording to let Tony know that he is very close. Just to pick a spot and dig and find it is a little far fetched.
Maelstrom
Footballguy
They have camera's following them all the time, Survivor actually got in hot water a while back when they admitted to using the Dream Team (standins) to recreate some overhead scenes so that their cameramen wouldn't be in the shots. We don't know exactly when he found it, or how many places he dug. I'm pretty skeptical that Survivor would take that kind of chance with their brand, they are generally more subtle (maybe manipulating who gets the clue in the food auction, which is bad enough, or asking pointed questions before tribal).
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
If Kass manages to get to the final three with two from her tribe other than Tony she could win.
She could make the case that she switched because she didn't think she could beat Spenser and Tash and the other tribe was filled with players she thought she could.
jhib
Footballguy
I'd be surprised if the cameras aren't following them everywhere and rolling at all times other than when they're going to the bathroom. Why risk missing out on potentially good stuff?
If you're going to tell the guy, just tell the guy.
I'd also guess that there's plenty of video of contestants searching for it in all kinds of random wrong spots, but that would be boring to watch. You can't tell me that all those fans of survivor wouldn't use time here and there to search even without the clues.
If you're going to tell the guy, just tell the guy.
I'd also guess that there's plenty of video of contestants searching for it in all kinds of random wrong spots, but that would be boring to watch. You can't tell me that all those fans of survivor wouldn't use time here and there to search even without the clues.
TheIronSheik
SUPER ELITE UPPER TIER
If you watch those scenes carefully, they're just edited together. They take shots of him while he's setting it up and getting behind it. Then they take shots of the other people talking. They splice those together and it looks like they have footage of Tony listening to the girls.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
EYLive
Footballguy
What a weenie.
This year's ponderosa videos have been kinda boring. Usually the jury members will go on trips or play games. These people are duds.
I don't bother with Parvati's interviews though.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
great move tonight. Plus she was a floater. I didnt want to see her down the stretch still in the game. Now we got some strategic players in the game. Should be a fun finish.
Corporation
Angry Bovine
Well played. Tash should have ponied up the 500 to increase her alliances chances of getting the clue. Sorry to see Jefra go.
McGarnicle
Footballguy
How many more weeks can the idols be used?
Corporation
Angry Bovine
Just the next two I think, unless Super Idolcan go farther. Usually you can use it to go to the final four but not beyond.
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
Spencer doesn't know how lucky he is that Kass has carried him this far. But she ain't saving him no more.
snogger
Footballguy
she is so full of herself.. it was GREAT to see her and Trish get blindsided along with Jefra. One of my all time favorite TC's. 
Todd Andrews
Footballguy
Hate Kass. She is hurrible.
Maelstrom
Footballguy
Yup I was saying that while she was sitting there saying no. If you know your Survivor history, that is almost always the last item. You've been waiting for this, just do it, give your alliance a 2/3 chance instead of 50-50.
I was happy to see this go down, I was really dreading seeing a Kass/Tris/Jefra final 3, as I would reluctantly have to give the nod to Kass there, and I think that was her ultimate plan. Tony probably needs to win immunity to make it past #4 though, no one is going to want to sit next to him, even Woo, after all the moves he's made. I think the plan is still to knock out Spencer and Tasha, as either of them have a strong story for why they should win. So they still are on the bottom, Tony's just using them.
Although, I will say that I don't think there was quite the same dynamic after the merge this time around, to the point where the minority alliance comprises the entire jury. Between Kass flipping and Tony making moves against his alliance every other vote, it's pretty mixed right now.
Maelstrom
Footballguy
Yah, but I still think a number of people would love to sit next to Kass and Trish at the final, so wouldn't be surprised to see them both make it. Despite the lawyer argument against taking Kass, I don't get the impression she is well liked.
McGarnicle
Footballguy
I would like to smash the bejeebers out of Jefra.
Agreed, she is probably the only one I don't want to win. Unfortunately, she has been able to think that she has controlled everything herself because of the play of Woo, Jefra and Trish, who literally do nothing. I mean Trish had no idea about LJ and Jefra was LJ's closest ally, yet both of them never strayed from Tony? C'mon, at least try to be in the game.
Right now, really hoping Spencer or Tash make it to the end as I have to think one or the other would have to win. Tony is my dark horse though because as paranoid as he has been and as goofy/mentally unstable he has been, he absolutely has controlled the game since the merge. I'll just be happy if Kass and Trish don't win.
bryhamm
Footballguy
Yeah, I don't get why she didn't do that. Would have been even more interesting if they had gotten the HII and Tasha won IC. That would have forced the 5 to turn on each other publicly.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
How can Tony possibly go back to the three women? He's totally blindsided them twice in a row with his vote -- including getting rid of one of them. Zero chance they trust him.
Tash and Spencer might actually be able to ally with either subgroup at this point.
Tash and Spencer might actually be able to ally with either subgroup at this point.
jhib
Footballguy
That was frustrating to watch. But then it turned out that she did have a halfway decent reason for holding out. IIRC, there's been at least one other time when there were two separate non-food items - one for an advantage in the next challenge (which Jeff made it sound like this one was) and one for an immunity idol hint. If that was the case this time, she'd be guaranteed to win that bid, and the pair would potentially get both advantages. It turned out she was only half right and the "advantage" was the idol hint.bryhamm said:
jhib
Footballguy
She also didn't feel bad that Tony was the only one in their alliance sacrificing the food for the advantage because, you know, she'd "done enough." As if she had done more than Tony and it was his turn to do something for the alliance.snogger said:Bottomfeeder Sports said:
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Devil's advocate here.
Getting rid of Jefra was not the right play tonight. Getting rid of Kass would have been the right play. She, at least, made one move in the game whereas Jefra has done nothing. Jefra is a perfect 3a along with Trish being 3b. If I'm Tony, I get rid of Kass and Trish coming up with a possible Woo/Spencer thrown in.
The only players this time are Spencer, Tash and Tony. If those three are in the final 3... best final three ever?
Getting rid of Jefra was not the right play tonight. Getting rid of Kass would have been the right play. She, at least, made one move in the game whereas Jefra has done nothing. Jefra is a perfect 3a along with Trish being 3b. If I'm Tony, I get rid of Kass and Trish coming up with a possible Woo/Spencer thrown in.
The only players this time are Spencer, Tash and Tony. If those three are in the final 3... best final three ever?
Ya think? He got paranoid about being blindsided, being the first player in like 10 years who can't be blindsided. His special idol gives him all the protection he needs. Plus the spare idol. He could coast to final 3 without making any moves.
