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Survivor Cagayan (1 Viewer)
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McGarnicle
Footballguy
Always hard to tell from the edit how true to form things play out on screen, but from what we saw, it looks like Tasha single handedly ended her own season in the moment she likened Tony to Russell Hantz for Kass's benefit. I still hope Kass gets eaten by a shark before the next episode airs (seems unlikely since she apparently Tweets), but I can see why she'd think, "I've got to be more electable than Natalie was, right?"
phatdawg
Footballguy
It is rather surprising to see Tony's alliance stick with him after he blindsides two alliance members without their knowledge. He is pretty clearly the one person in their alliance playing the game hard and the other three really have no arguement in the final tribal for why they deserve to win more than Tony. Ultimately, I think one of them needed to make a move earlier or they have to get rid of Tony at four to have a chance.
Jayrok
Footballguy
dhockster
Footballguy
Spencer called it. Tony is very good at detecting when you are lying to him (he should, he is a cop). I was somewhat surprised they did not come up with a better story for Woo to tell Tony (i.e. yes they tried to convince me to go after Trish and Tony and I said I would do it, but I am telling you guys so I am obviously not doing it).Jayrok said:
I also love how Spencer talks about how the others should go after Tony at Tribal. He does it in a way that is calling them out but he doesn't offend. He is a very smart man. Unfortunately, I do not see how Spencer survives unless he wins immunity.
Woo/Kass should have voted to make it 2/2/2. Once Tony did not play a regular idol, they should have figured he had a special idol. They know that Tony/Trish/Tasha will go home with the revote. They should have revoted Tony out knowing he would go if he didn't have a special idol, and knowing that if he did have a special idol, he would be safe, but Trish or Tasha would go. They will have succeeded in getting Tony out or flushing one of his idols.
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
PinkydaPimp said:Jayrok said:
I hadn't heard anything about this until now, and I'm going to go back in time about 90 seconds so I can get back to that happy place.
McGarnicle
Footballguy
I was thinking after the reward that Woo should formulate exactly what he would tell Tony they all talked about. He needs to have something very plausible there.
Jayrok
Footballguy
Agree on all accounts. The bolded is what Woo should have told Tony. And Spencer is a smart player.
I wasn't sure at first about the significance of voting 2x2x2 since it would be a tie, but I see now. It would have flushed the special idol at least.
JZilla
Footballguy
Spence being the smart guy should have coached Woo and Tasha on what to say to Tony. Not that it ended up mattering. Kass pulled the strings on the flip back to Tasha, after Tasha herself convinced her that Tony is another Hantz. Which he may be but Hantz got beat in the vote by people who were actually decent human beings.
Tony could be beat by Woo if the jury is butt hurt enough, but I actually think reason will win out with this jury, especially with Spencer on it.
Tony is a dip #### but would deserve to win unless Spencer pulls out a miracle and wins a couple more immunities
Tony could be beat by Woo if the jury is butt hurt enough, but I actually think reason will win out with this jury, especially with Spencer on it.
Tony is a dip #### but would deserve to win unless Spencer pulls out a miracle and wins a couple more immunities
Jayrok
Footballguy
I don't think there will be that many jury members who are bitter enough towards Tony that they withhold deserving votes from him. I think Spencer and Tash will certainly vote for Tony because they acknowledge that his game has been solid all season.That said, I still pull for Spencer because his road has been the toughest. Hope he wins immunity from here on out.
Sarnoff
Footballguy
Yeah, he needed to be coached. Could have gone with: "Yeah, there was strategy talk. Kass did most of the talking, actually. Basically, she told Spenser to sit tight and keep quiet. She said he shouldn't make any waves right now. That if Tasha doesn't win immunity, she's going home, but, not to talk to you (Tony) about it at all before the vote. She wants you suspicious of him making a deal with us so that she flushes the idol at the next vote. But she's going with Tasha now because she's a threat, and then there are five left and the idol's gone and then she, Spenser, and I can figure out at the next vote if it makes sense to make a move. She might agitate you a bit more at camp to egg you into playing the idol tonight."
Would have been a plausible story, and, from Woo/Kass/Tash/Spenser's perspective, encouraged Tony to sit on the regular idol they know about.
dhockster
Footballguy
Thinking back to last nights episode, I think the reason they didn't coach up Woo more on what to say was because he did not commit to flip until they were on the way back to the tribe. They didn't have enough time to get a good story down.
JZilla
Footballguy
Big dumb meathead/self-proclaimed leader. J'Tia was the worst but that guy's boot was more than well-earned.
bryhamm
Footballguy
This doesn't make sense. He can't play his regular idol after votes are read, and the whole purpose of doing the 2/2/2 vote would be to catch him off guard.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
not sure how Tony doesn't win at this point, but it has been one of the better Survivor seasons in a while.
She was. I couldn't stand her from the beginning. I know I posted early on about how she aligned with the guys in the brains and was the first one to say she wanted Jtia (sp?) off because she couldn't stand her and then she bails and aligns with the person she couldn't stand. If you don't recall, she was instrumental in voting off the poker guy in favor of Jtia and because of that they lost the basketball toss challenge. He easily outperforms Jtia in the challenge so Spencer has a shot to make more shots and not lose. She has flipped flopped so much it is ridiculous.HughHoney said:
She is a typical lawyer. Think Christo, only more smug. She can argue any position and think that she is correct and the smartest in the room. As posted above, she is oblivious to comments about how bad Tony's actions were even though she did the same thing.
Not at that point. That was a really bad move by Kass and helped ensure her groups demise. They lost the very next immunity solely because of JTia's ball retrieval skills (I think they sent JTia packing that time). Kass, Tash and Spencer got lucky with the merge and the other tribes' dysfunction (thanks Tony!). In most seasons, those 3 would have gone quickly. It worked out, but not because of Kass' wonderful flipping all over the place.
JZilla
Footballguy
Whatever that dude's name was, he was to blame for J'Tia still being there even at that point.. he blindsided the rich guy when they still needed strength for challenges. It was clear from day 1 J'Tia was beyond useless.
dhockster
Footballguy
Maybe I didn't make any sense.
Woo and Kass were hinting at tribal that a blindside could be coming. As paranoid as Tony is, there is no way he doesn't play his regular idol before the votes are read if he has one. So he either doesn't have a regular idol or he has a special idol which he could still play which is why he did not play his regular idol. By casting their votes for Tony during the revote, they either get Tony out of the game or he has to play his special idol to save himself. Thus they have flushed an idol and gotten Trish or Tasha out of the game, or they got Tony out of the game. Either way is a win for Kass/Woo.
Although the best two immunity players are Tasha and Spencer and that move could have left both still in the game with only 5 left. I think Kass realized this which is why she went back to voting Tasha off. That was the right play because if either Tasha or Spencer were to make it to the finals they win. Now that Tasha is gone, they just have to get Spencer out to ensure that one of their alliance wins.
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dhockster
Footballguy
True, but they could SPECULATE!
Being able to play the idol after the vote is read is a reasonable power to assume it might have, especially if you know survivor history and this has been used before.
Dickies
Footballguy
I am rooting for Spencer at this point. In my mind he's played the best game so far. Right from the start he's basically been in danger of being voted off, yet he always says the right things to redirect the votes. I'm pretty sure he'll need to win every immunity challenge going forward to make it to the final 3, but so far he's shown he could possibly do just that.
Tony has definitely been the most entertaining player though. He's made a number of really stupid moves, IMHO, but he is charismatic enough to talk his way back into his alliance. I really hope we don't get a Kass, Trish, and Woo final. Woo would be the least deserving player I've ever seen. The look on his face when Tony called him out that Spencer's plan makes no sense is basically how he has played the game all season.
Tony has definitely been the most entertaining player though. He's made a number of really stupid moves, IMHO, but he is charismatic enough to talk his way back into his alliance. I really hope we don't get a Kass, Trish, and Woo final. Woo would be the least deserving player I've ever seen. The look on his face when Tony called him out that Spencer's plan makes no sense is basically how he has played the game all season.
McGarnicle
Footballguy
If he can use it after this coming week, I'm calling bull####. It's bad enough that he somehow miraculously found it without a clue.
dparker713
Footballguy
dhockster
Footballguy
I think it is a final 2. Next week on 5/14, it is a normal episode which should get us down to 4 players. The following week on 5/21 it is the two hour finale which always has two elimination tribals before final tribal. That will take us from 4 to 2 players.
Maik Jeaunz
Footballguy
Woo's expressions are priceless. when they're explaining strategy to him, he tries to make it seem like he understands, but I suspect there are really bears on bicycles going around in his head.
dhockster
Footballguy
In a final 2:
-Spencer beats everyone
-Tony beats everyone except Spencer because the jury was clearly rooting for someone to take out Tony. Because no one had the guts to do it, the jury will vote Tony to beat Trish/Kass/Woo
-Trish beats Woo/Kass. Trish will present a better case than Woo, Kass is extremely unlikable and will have a hard time getting a vote. You can't argue your way to being liked.
-Woo beats Kass. See Kass comment above.
The only caveat is if there is a two person final between a combination of Woo/Kass/Trish, whoever got Tony out may have an advantage. I think that is the only way for Kass to win, to take
out Tony in a spectacular fashion, and hope the jury will give her enough credit to beat Woo or Trish
-Spencer beats everyone
-Tony beats everyone except Spencer because the jury was clearly rooting for someone to take out Tony. Because no one had the guts to do it, the jury will vote Tony to beat Trish/Kass/Woo
-Trish beats Woo/Kass. Trish will present a better case than Woo, Kass is extremely unlikable and will have a hard time getting a vote. You can't argue your way to being liked.
-Woo beats Kass. See Kass comment above.
The only caveat is if there is a two person final between a combination of Woo/Kass/Trish, whoever got Tony out may have an advantage. I think that is the only way for Kass to win, to take
out Tony in a spectacular fashion, and hope the jury will give her enough credit to beat Woo or Trish
dhockster
Footballguy
(Dude, they are saying a lot of words, but all I can think about is catching some tasty waves. Why, bra, didn't I bring my surfboard?)
Dickies
Footballguy
I don't see any scenario where Trish wins. She's unlikeable and hasn't done anything.
rick6668
Footballguy
dhockster
Footballguy
You could be right. I think, though, that Kass is more unlikable than Trish, and I think Trish did a little bit more than Woo and can present a better argument than Woo.
Let's hope we don't have to find out as a combination of those three does not represent the final 2.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
If Kass engineers a final 2/3 that doesn't include Tony or Spencer she'd be a deserving winner IMO.
Dickies
Footballguy
Perhaps Kass is more unlikeable, but Trish has really done absolutely nothing and is still quite unlikeable herself. Kass has at least made a few big moves to put herself where she is.
Jayrok
Footballguy
I'm down with most of this, although I think Woo has a decent chance to beat Trish simply based on the social game. He seems more liked than her and all things equal, some jury members will vote that way, I think. I don't see any way that Kass can win this.
I'm secretly rooting for a Woo/Kass final two, where Kass musters up every ounce of lawyerly skill she can and argues circles around Woo, while he just answers everything with a Keanu Reeves style, "Whoa." Following which, a smug and nauseating Kass goes on to lose 8-1, and has to endure ten minutes of "I told you so" speechmaking from a drunk Spencer at the finale. Her only vote comes from Tony, who simply refuses to do the sane and predictable thing.
Maybe after, Woo tracks down Fabio and they hang out and reenact scenes from Dude Where's My Car?
Maybe after, Woo tracks down Fabio and they hang out and reenact scenes from Dude Where's My Car?
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dhockster
Footballguy
mozzy84
Footballguy
dparker713
Footballguy
Trish approached Kass on flipping, was the driving force behind voting out Cliff and she made a chick so mad that she quit.
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
They should have done the first part to try to flush out the idol and then voted out Tasha. Voting out Tasha was still in both of their best interest but if Kass was as smart as she thinks she is she could "put Tony in his place" for at least a few minutes. And if she had a likable bone in her body she could have everyone laughing about it back at camp, though Tony's laugh would be the paranoid nervous kind.
Not sure if the "special idol" would have had to have been played before a re-vote or not, but that wouldn't really even matter in this case. And while they might not "know" Tony has something special in his "bag of tricks" they would have a better idea.
Mr.Pack
Footballguy
Right but he will have to win immunity or 2 because he can't use the HI after next week, right? I think this sets up great for them to get rid of him then, unless he wins immunity.Tony controls who makes the final 4 with him. Question is who does he save?
Can't imagine he'd save Spencer as i'm 99.999999% sure if he makes the finals he wins.
Trish is the dolt you have to bring to the finals with you so I don't think you have to save her... yet in the previews it seems kass and her are about to go at it so he might feel the need to save her.
Woo hasn't played the game, but he is also liked by all so not sure you'd use it on him.
Would be amoment because I dislike her so much but could see him use it to save Kass since they both feel they can beat each other.
dparker713
Footballguy
Supposing Kass's post merge tribe keeps their word, her only chance was to take both Spencer and Tasha. Otherwise its 5 no votes on the jury. No way she wins then.
McGarnicle
Footballguy
I had no idea Trish is a tranny.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
This is what Trish was doing before Survivor.McGarnicle said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gntgvQ76tHA
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
Tony has had a hand in each successive tribal outcome. I think this may have a cumulative negative impact on Tony back at Ponderosa. He's played a good game but unlike mastermind Boston Rob, the dirty side of it is sticking to Tony.
I think people are underestimating how unlikeable he is.
I think people are underestimating how unlikeable he is.
